I am sorry but HD destroy two mom and pop dealerships near me and the one still sells motorcycles but was a HD dealership for over 60 years and the other is now owned by a corporation so to me the Boycott is still on and it won’t be over till the CEO and Board of Directors are all fired
A lot of people have been boycotting for awhile it seems. Most around me have changed their names recently, not sure why as it was kinda before my riding time started.
@@gh4121-b5n so he can't have an opinion on it because you think he doesn't own a Harley? So I guess you would agree since you're not a woman and don't have a womb you can't have an opinion about anything relating to women or women's health?
I would think a lot just don't want to wade in those waters, just want to stay out of the politics of it all. They are customer facing so you'd think they have a lot of skin in the game
Just traded in my 2020 softail for a 2024 Indian Challenger four days ago, been riding Harley’s for 50 years. Can’t believe how nice of a ride the Indian is.
That's awesome. I've only rode a '18 Roadmaster and the guy I rented it from talked me into it over the ultra because how much lighter it is. It was great and it had a lot more features than the ultra.
Indian removed DEI from their website a couple of days after HD was exposed. Polaris still has it on theirs. Just because Indian removed it from their site doesn’t mean woke board members or execs have.
All long time harley owners have heard other owners say, "I love harley, but I hate harley". And we all knew what that meant. We love the bikes, the ride, and the profile. But we all know that Harley (and yes dealerships too. I believe that's where the term "Stealerships came from.) had policy issues that we all knew sucked. But we excepted it and maybe even forgave it, but now the negative gut felling has turned into an intestinal malignant tumor. I'm riding my harley today but I'll never wear anything with the harley logo again and never take my bike to get service at a dealership again. Shame for the people that work there but it is what it is.
Yes, I've heard a lot of negativity about the company for a long time but yes it doesn't seem to stop people from riding. I'm only 3 years into riding and I started getting shirts wherever I travel to, but I've stopped wearing them and haven't put my jacket on either. I do have life time oil changes at my dealership when I got my first bike but not sure I will take it back. On one hand it will cost them money if I do, but it costs me money every second time...
Buy Used bikes and Buy aftermarket from Drag Specialties, etc…. And go to mom and pop shops for service. Even before this dealerships were price gouging
It's been poorly handled. Even if they loose 20% of the base customers, that's a lot of money. I'm not selling or debading my bikes. The CEOs comments about the Taliban on capitalism and moving production are stupid. I won't be buying anything from a dealership. The last guy you showed, I wish he was local.
I'm kinda in the same boat as you. I'm keeping one with the badge, and the other if the opportunity comes, I may trade it for an Indian but not going out seeking it. Won't be going to a dealership any time soon for sure.
Wilkins Harley Davidson posted (somewhere on their website) a response disparaging Roby Starbuck. They decided HD's shoot the messenger approach was the way to go. They also conveniently leave out some crucial information that has many upset.
Just read it, they're main point is he makes money off of this??? You're right, they do leave out a big chunk of his (and many others) criticism. If they were honest, they would have a link to his video about it. I don't see another response from them after HD sent out their letter change course either...
You can support the culture without supporting the company. There are thousands of aftermarket part companies out there to keep your scooter running good without giving HD anymore of your money. No need to buy a Polaris.
Dealerships are in a tough spot. They're franchisees of the MoCo. They have a lot of skin in the game. The smart move is to stay the course, and keep the family of customers close, and let this situation sort itself out. I can detect that my dealer staff is upset, but they still put on a happy face. Why would I want to hurt them, for a decision made well above their pay grades?
Yes, for sure, they are customer facing, and unfortunately, they have to take the bad as well as the good. I haven't been to any dealership since this happened, but before, it was all just bike stuff... rides, parts, and bikes.
The only thing that has changed is Royal Enfield have opened a new dealership two blocks away from the big Harley megastore dealership and I think CF Moto is soon to do the same. I love my Iron 883 2017 but I feel like they have gone to corporate and to boutique nobody can afford them and it’s sad
I agree it's not the dealership fault and the dealership may not fall in line with corporate but the sad fact of the matter is the dealership is the face of harley davidson to the public and represents harley davidson
The dealerships are the customers of Harley-Davidson. We are the customers of the dealerships. Unfortunately a boycott and not buying a bike will not affect the motor company. Terry Morse needs to spend more time on the floor of his dealership. The most arrogant, rude employees, they barely could answer a question. Dealerships like that I hope feel some pain.
I haven't heard very good things about his daytona dealership. I went to it during bike week this year, nice place but we didn't talk to anyone as it was so busy.
I've been riding Harleys for over 30 and I could give a fuck about this controversy. I'm not here to be manipulated by a former music video producer who doesn't even ride. Harley dealers suck and corporate is bunch of soulless MBAs. Also in the news; water is wet and fire is hot.
I only heard of him from his daytona dealership and I did a video on the pricing there, a lot of people didn't have very nice things to say about that dealership.
The people raging about DEI etc. might not be aware of how brutal the corporate world operates. Dealerships do not participate in politics as their contracts can be terminated with a snap of the fingers from the manufacturers.
So, Harley sales haven’t really suffered anything over this recent crisis. The fact of the matter is as much as Harley riders protest, they’re going to buy Harley Davidson‘s forever and they will not switch to Indian or anything else for that matter. And the used market only gets stretched so far. They will be forced into new models, and that’s just the way it’s going to be. Harley also is planning on lower production and much higher retail costs. They’ll be targeting the six-digit demographic.
Dealers can embrace or disassociate themselves with corporate Harley. Whatever they choose is their business and they will live with their choices. As a motorcycle rider for almost 50 years, the last 30 being on a Harley, I will decide my policy without anger. Unless and until the CEO and most of The board of directors are shown the door, my wallet will remained closed to Harley products.
I don't care what Harley does I just wish they made a bike that was worth the money they charge the only thing they have learned how to do is rip their loyal customers off
They did lower the price of the road and street Glides this year, but that's probably because they were way over proced before. They are still really nice bikes though
@@streetsean I guess after 40 years I just expect more from a Harley then what they're giving me on a 24 Road Glide a decorative piece of plastic they call a windshield a stereo that sounds terrible a clutch that's hard to pull and clicks a lot an infotainment Center that's really useless unless you have apple carplay and the wireless headset issue the more I ride the bike the less I am impressed the infotainment Center is the worst
@RalphMalone-mw1qo Yeah, I've heard that a lot of people are having issues with the infotainment. Downloaded updates aren't correcting them...technology is great when it works, it makes you go crazy when it doesn't.
Any company that Blackrock, Vanguard and State Street invests in goes DEI. On the Board at Harley is : ALLAN GOLSTON President, United States Program for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. So boycott Microsoft while you’re at it then. Many who’ve said boycott Harley either don’t own or can’t afford one. Boycotting will only affect privately Owned dealerships and the people who work there who have nothing to do with the political BS of DEI. The video showing the guy shooting up his Harley would have likely just sat in his field with weeds growing around it because he doesn’t ride it anymore. Why not show his likely brand new Harley that he won’t shoot up?
He's shot up another one, and I agree it looks like he bought an old one just to do that. I've seen a few people talk about being disappointed in their decisions that ride Harleys, but nothing about them boycotting them. I wouldn't be able to boycott ever company that does the DEI crap as most of them do it now, but I can stop purchasing merchandise of companies I know do it (HD). I ride 2 Harleys, one I'm not getting rid of because I promised it to one of my kids when it's time to hand it down. The other I'm not as attached to it, if a bike comes up that I like better I will trade it in.
From my understanding is that, as is corporate H-D, most dealerships are owned & operated by equity fund management services and are already aligned with the woke corporate guidelines. So therefore I wouldn't expect these dealerships to "weigh-in" on this controversy. The day of the so-called mom & pop dealerships are fading fast.
Yeah it seems that way, but I've had some people tell me that there are a few out there. One of the ones around me is "family" owned but it's just one of their 15 odd dealerships in this area (one of every car brand you can think of).
The dealers are the customer for Harley Davidson. The bike rider is the dealership customer. When you say boycott Harley you are screwing with the working people in the factory and the dealership . That is you neighbour. Most of the bull is coming from sidewalk commandos. You talk about woke . Stop buying into the click bait and ride your bike.
I am sorry but HD destroy two mom and pop dealerships near me and the one still sells motorcycles but was a HD dealership for over 60 years and the other is now owned by a corporation so to me the Boycott is still on and it won’t be over till the CEO and Board of Directors are all fired
A lot of people have been boycotting for awhile it seems. Most around me have changed their names recently, not sure why as it was kinda before my riding time started.
@@streetsean if they changed there names they were forced to sell out to a corporation
That’s a real shame, I’ll bet Zits or Zlops whatever that lowlifes name is, hasn’t lost a wink of sleep!
KEEP the BOYCOTT GOING! FHD! ✊️
Seems like a lot of people are.
Says the non HD owner.
💯 F-HD!
@@gh4121-b5n so he can't have an opinion on it because you think he doesn't own a Harley? So I guess you would agree since you're not a woman and don't have a womb you can't have an opinion about anything relating to women or women's health?
Well obviously Harley dealers are pretending its no big thing I'm sure Harley corporate send out direction on how they wanted to handing this.
I would think a lot just don't want to wade in those waters, just want to stay out of the politics of it all. They are customer facing so you'd think they have a lot of skin in the game
Fire WEFCEO&Boardof directors
A lot of people are talking about that.
Just traded in my 2020 softail for a 2024 Indian Challenger four days ago, been riding Harley’s for 50 years. Can’t believe how nice of a ride the Indian is.
That's awesome. I've only rode a '18 Roadmaster and the guy I rented it from talked me into it over the ultra because how much lighter it is. It was great and it had a lot more features than the ultra.
Buy an INDIAN
I've seen a video of an Indian dealer having a hard time with too many Harleys that he has to go to auction with them.
@@streetsean Indian belong to Polaris they are woke dude
2000 Challenger, I'll never go back
Indian removed DEI from their website a couple of days after HD was exposed. Polaris still has it on theirs. Just because Indian removed it from their site doesn’t mean woke board members or execs have.
Nah, I spent my life trying to afford a Harley and no trans CEO is going to upset me that much, he’ll go eventually.
All long time harley owners have heard other owners say, "I love harley, but I hate harley". And we all knew what that meant. We love the bikes, the ride, and the profile. But we all know that Harley (and yes dealerships too. I believe that's where the term "Stealerships came from.) had policy issues that we all knew sucked. But we excepted it and maybe even forgave it, but now the negative gut felling has turned into an intestinal malignant tumor. I'm riding my harley today but I'll never wear anything with the harley logo again and never take my bike to get service at a dealership again. Shame for the people that work there but it is what it is.
Yes, I've heard a lot of negativity about the company for a long time but yes it doesn't seem to stop people from riding. I'm only 3 years into riding and I started getting shirts wherever I travel to, but I've stopped wearing them and haven't put my jacket on either.
I do have life time oil changes at my dealership when I got my first bike but not sure I will take it back. On one hand it will cost them money if I do, but it costs me money every second time...
@mikejw58 It not just Harley-Davidson dealerships. The automobile dealerships have plenty with that title to.
@@jagjr6772 No comparison
Buy Used bikes and Buy aftermarket from Drag Specialties, etc…. And go to mom and pop shops for service. Even before this dealerships were price gouging
That does seem to be the move. I have oil changes for life at my dealership, but I'm reconsidering taking it in even to do that.
It's been poorly handled. Even if they loose 20% of the base customers, that's a lot of money. I'm not selling or debading my bikes. The CEOs comments about the Taliban on capitalism and moving production are stupid. I won't be buying anything from a dealership. The last guy you showed, I wish he was local.
I'm kinda in the same boat as you. I'm keeping one with the badge, and the other if the opportunity comes, I may trade it for an Indian but not going out seeking it. Won't be going to a dealership any time soon for sure.
The CEO has to go.
And most of the board too
35 year rider. Harley will no longer get my business!
A lot of people are saying the same thing. Will be interesting to see the numbers at the end of the year
Wilkins Harley Davidson posted (somewhere on their website) a response disparaging Roby Starbuck. They decided HD's shoot the messenger approach was the way to go. They also conveniently leave out some crucial information that has many upset.
I'm going to go take a look...
Just read it, they're main point is he makes money off of this??? You're right, they do leave out a big chunk of his (and many others) criticism. If they were honest, they would have a link to his video about it. I don't see another response from them after HD sent out their letter change course either...
You can support the culture without supporting the company. There are thousands of aftermarket part companies out there to keep your scooter running good without giving HD anymore of your money. No need to buy a Polaris.
I like Indian motorcycles, but you're 💯 right that you can get everything you need from other part shops or independent motorcycle stores.
Dealerships are in a tough spot. They're franchisees of the MoCo. They have a lot of skin in the game. The smart move is to stay the course, and keep the family of customers close, and let this situation sort itself out. I can detect that my dealer staff is upset, but they still put on a happy face. Why would I want to hurt them, for a decision made well above their pay grades?
Yes, for sure, they are customer facing, and unfortunately, they have to take the bad as well as the good.
I haven't been to any dealership since this happened, but before, it was all just bike stuff... rides, parts, and bikes.
Ultimately we need to choose between principles and preferences.
Yes, I'm debating to trade my ultra for an Indian still. I purchased it through a used bike dealer and would return there.
The only sarcasm was that there is no way a dealership is going to give you FREE double-sided sticky tape.
Hahaha...good point!!
The only thing that has changed is Royal Enfield have opened a new dealership two blocks away from the big Harley megastore dealership and I think CF Moto is soon to do the same. I love my Iron 883 2017 but I feel like they have gone to corporate and to boutique nobody can afford them and it’s sad
Huge price difference between those brands and HD. Our dealerships are mostly attire and parts, not a lot of bikes at any of them.
The former Pizza Hut manager, that runs the dealership, has a scripted list of answers.
Hahaha...maybe...🤣
I agree it's not the dealership fault and the dealership may not fall in line with corporate but the sad fact of the matter is the dealership is the face of harley davidson to the public and represents harley davidson
Yes, and people keep saying not to boycott them because you're hurting local shops, but what else can you do?
The dealerships are the customers of Harley-Davidson. We are the customers of the dealerships. Unfortunately a boycott and not buying a bike will not affect the motor company. Terry Morse needs to spend more time on the floor of his dealership. The most arrogant, rude employees, they barely could answer a question. Dealerships like that I hope feel some pain.
I haven't heard very good things about his daytona dealership. I went to it during bike week this year, nice place but we didn't talk to anyone as it was so busy.
I've been riding Harleys for over 30 and I could give a fuck about this controversy. I'm not here to be manipulated by a former music video producer who doesn't even ride. Harley dealers suck and corporate is bunch of soulless MBAs. Also in the news; water is wet and fire is hot.
Probably the best way to go about it! Tide safe!!!
A little off topic, I think it's interesting how "rebels against social norms" conform to each other.
Example: "What kind of Streetglide do you have?"
I don't have a street glide, I have an ultra and a softail sport glide. But I do get what you're saying, but I feel it's more roadglides at the moment
Teddy reminds me of a used car dealer..nuff said
Teddy knows he’s in deep shit and is throwing all against the wall. When in doubt, bring god, veterans and children into conversation. Pathetic.
I only heard of him from his daytona dealership and I did a video on the pricing there, a lot of people didn't have very nice things to say about that dealership.
Anything built and bought AFTER these revelations is hereby considered blasphemous, treasonous, and punishable by
Punishable by....???
The people raging about DEI etc. might not be aware of how brutal the corporate world operates. Dealerships do not participate in politics as their contracts can be terminated with a snap of the fingers from the manufacturers.
Yes you are correct about that.
So, Harley sales haven’t really suffered anything over this recent crisis. The fact of the matter is as much as Harley riders protest, they’re going to buy Harley Davidson‘s forever and they will not switch to Indian or anything else for that matter. And the used market only gets stretched so far. They will be forced into new models, and that’s just the way it’s going to be. Harley also is planning on lower production and much higher retail costs. They’ll be targeting the six-digit demographic.
Yeah, I don't see too many people leaving because of this. Too many people's identity revolves around riding a Harley.
@@streetsean yup👍
OMG, that first commercial would brimg me into his doors. The second would keep me out. No personality and he is literally trying to sell himself.
2 different styles for sure.
At Teddy Morse. They won’t so much as say hello to you, unless you’re clearly a RUB. They lost my business last year.
I've heard a lot of shade thrown at that dealership, particularly the daytona one.
Dealers can embrace or disassociate themselves with corporate Harley. Whatever they choose is their business and they will live with their choices. As a motorcycle rider for almost 50 years, the last 30 being on a Harley, I will decide my policy without anger. Unless and until the CEO and most of The board of directors are shown the door, my wallet will remained closed to Harley products.
I'm in the same boat as you, i don't see myself going to a dealership anytime soon unless drastic changes are made...
Team Indian
It will be interesting if they sell more bikes
I don't care what Harley does I just wish they made a bike that was worth the money they charge the only thing they have learned how to do is rip their loyal customers off
They did lower the price of the road and street Glides this year, but that's probably because they were way over proced before. They are still really nice bikes though
@@streetsean I guess after 40 years I just expect more from a Harley then what they're giving me on a 24 Road Glide a decorative piece of plastic they call a windshield a stereo that sounds terrible a clutch that's hard to pull and clicks a lot an infotainment Center that's really useless unless you have apple carplay and the wireless headset issue the more I ride the bike the less I am impressed the infotainment Center is the worst
@RalphMalone-mw1qo Yeah, I've heard that a lot of people are having issues with the infotainment. Downloaded updates aren't correcting them...technology is great when it works, it makes you go crazy when it doesn't.
Any company that Blackrock, Vanguard and State Street invests in goes DEI. On the Board at Harley is : ALLAN GOLSTON
President, United States Program for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. So boycott Microsoft while you’re at it then. Many who’ve said boycott Harley either don’t own or can’t afford one. Boycotting will only affect privately Owned dealerships and the people who work there who have nothing to do with the political BS of DEI. The video showing the guy shooting up his Harley would have likely just sat in his field with weeds growing around it because he doesn’t ride it anymore. Why not show his likely brand new Harley that he won’t shoot up?
He's shot up another one, and I agree it looks like he bought an old one just to do that. I've seen a few people talk about being disappointed in their decisions that ride Harleys, but nothing about them boycotting them. I wouldn't be able to boycott ever company that does the DEI crap as most of them do it now, but I can stop purchasing merchandise of companies I know do it (HD).
I ride 2 Harleys, one I'm not getting rid of because I promised it to one of my kids when it's time to hand it down. The other I'm not as attached to it, if a bike comes up that I like better I will trade it in.
All of y'all are late, HD dropped DEI in April
That's what their letter said.
NO THEY ARE NOT... it is YT Drama
It seems to be only online.
The private used bike market and aftermarket parts will be around a lot longer than H-D Corp.
This is 💯 right!!!
From my understanding is that, as is corporate H-D, most dealerships are owned & operated by equity fund management services and are already aligned with the woke corporate guidelines. So therefore I wouldn't expect these dealerships to "weigh-in" on this controversy. The day of the so-called mom & pop dealerships are fading fast.
Yeah it seems that way, but I've had some people tell me that there are a few out there. One of the ones around me is "family" owned but it's just one of their 15 odd dealerships in this area (one of every car brand you can think of).
I start to have pain in my ass when I ride my Harley
I think you'll get used to it....🤣🤣🤣
😅
1st one...very funny
Need that free 2 sided tape
Start selling Honda
He has a couple but not nearly enough
Indian builds better motorcycles
I've heard this but have only rode one. Other than the infotainment not working right, it was a nice bike
I'll just keep riding my AMF era 81 Shovel and just stay away from the new WOKE era limp wristed bikes.😮
Nice! You held out this long, it would be a shame to get rid of that now.
Harley will implode just matter of time. This CEO and board will eventually destroy the company. They will continue their idiocy policy of wokeness
I feel like they just won't advertise that their doing it.
People need to grow up..stop with the BS political crap
That would be great!
The dealers are the customer for Harley Davidson. The bike rider is the dealership customer. When you say boycott Harley you are screwing with the working people in the factory and the dealership . That is you neighbour. Most of the bull is coming from sidewalk commandos. You talk about woke . Stop buying into the click bait and ride your bike.
I've never said to boycott harley. I still ride a harley, but I choose not to buy t-shirts on vacation for the time being.