It’s still too strong in pve as well. It has intrinsic vorpal I swear. It melts me outta my super faster than graviton and that has vorpal baked into the description
@@Cerberus1141 it got a tiny, tiny buff and it didn't move the needle. It needs to be looked at overall, but I can understand - if you do too much it becomes too powerful way quick
So thanks to Still hunt, Hunters became the PVE meta and were kings of the day 1 raid. Thanks to Khvostov, Warlocks are the PVP meta because they make free orbs for ricochet bullets. So Titans, maybe you're the kings of gambit now thanks to uhh... Ergo sum, I guess? Maybe?
One thing I don’t see talked about with this weapon is how much it’s shaking up the team shooting meta. Entire teams now are scared to peak together when that gun is in play.
It tells you which bosses you killed in the pale heart triumphs under the exploration tab. It just won’t tell you if you actually picked up the mote after killing it (if that’s more what you’re asking for)
@@StonePilled oh yeah I think I remember hearing about that. Didn’t happen for me but very understandable how annoying that is for whoever it happened to
@benrusch3839 yeah that's more what I'm asking for, played on day 1 and killed a bunch of random bosses before knowing about the motes so no clue what ones I have
@@StonePilledsame thing happened to me. The way I got around it is I went and fought the meatball boss beat him. Went through another overthrow. Fight him again and then that time he dropped my note. So I’d try killing the meatball once. Waiting at the destination to have the timer reset. And then go through and kill him again. I really hope this helps.
Who tf thought it was a good idea for surge mods and orbs of power to be active in pvp. That's genuinely bonkers. The only orbs people should be generating are from supers
Crimson is still highly underrated, bungie devs said so themselves, I made over a dozen of these solar warlocks fall at the gates with crimson voidlock, nothing beats instant health, overshield and reload on kill.
Ngl I really like running kvhostov with apotheosis in pve. Kvhostov straight up prints orbs. Running it with song of flame means just spamming abilities for a really long time
@Edgetarian15 yes but I'm not using the exotic itself. The ricochet bullets kill a lot of targets really quickly which generates orbs very fast, therefore getting my super rather quickly. And apotheosis relies on my super
It's the combo with speakers sight. Eyes up guardian has a 17m range and can bounce multiple times between two guardians. Given that ricochet do more damage and the khvostov also has radiant due to artifact one of my buddies has hit a 43 damage ricochet that hit 3 times. And a burst of cure x2 solidly puts ttk in the khvostov favour. It's also way more forgiving than a pulse or handcannon. I started shooting a khvostov speakers sight with aishas care and despite getting the first shot he was able to react and burn me down instantly due to having eyes up, radiant and burst of healing midway through. It also lost us the match cause the ricochet hit my last teammate who had disengaged from this guy and was standing on objective. It stopped his healing and made him an easy kill. Khvostov by itself is very good but not broken but it very quickly becomes that when combined with speakers sight
People complaining about Khovostov quest being grindy don't know about D1 Taken King trying to get Touch of Malice and all of the exotic swords and it shows 👀
@@-Lucifer__ it's not even that bad of a quest, the most annoying thing would be to get the 9 motes from the the Overthrow bosses. Outside of that, it's just to go around and collect things in the Pale Heart which is nothing hard and pretty chill tbh
Tbh its just an easy auto and has everything going for it to work perfectly with the build it just makes sense and everyone uses what everyone else is using because yea if they using it must be good
@@yasininn76 you outta luck, even if i were mainly playing pve i'd still hate the amount of tears the average destiny 2 normie cries over everything, i just use stuff i like and if they nerf it i like it even more
That's just the way the PvP community is, whenever handcannons aren't without question the best option they cry, extra tears if the weapon they're losing to is an auto rifle, because "mY hANdCanNOn tAkES sO MUcH sKiLl, AUtOs aRe FOr NoOBs" despite HCs literally having more AA built in than other guns lol. The community also seems to hate Warlocks being meta, so it's a perfect combo of making the typical unoriginal player lose their mind.
The reason this gun exceeds is how forgiving it is if you miss one hc headshot it's over I mean it's hella fun to use the khvostov but it's totally broken there's no competition in terms of raw power / raw ttk gun is a straight beam
6:32 Fallout calling the dev team to just nerf something in pvp and leave it alone in pve while he simultaneously whined about Young Ahamkara's Spine in every other video until it was nerfed into the ground in pvp and pve. Love you Fallout, but I am still salty about that.
@@rentedmule169 Oh, it was absolutely broken in pvp. I do not disagree with that one bit. But the nerf in pve? That was not justified. It was used in one solo Caretaker run, but outside of that, I had only seen it in middle to high-middle of the pack niche damage strats. One of the most fun exotics snapped from existence because of pvp.
@@A1DragonSlayeroh it was definitely broken in PvE as well I was a YAS savant and I never took that build off…being able to spam infinite scorch, grenades, and ignitions on any target was insane. I’ve solo’s DPS dungeon bosses without even shooting my heavy weapon.
Khvostov *maybe* needs a kill requirement to proc the ricochets in pvp? Idk. On paper it’s fine, but the whole ‘free damage on other players around corners’ is a tough thing to nerf without making the weapon feel non-exotic. To be fair though, the speaker helmet is also juicing this problem because the weapon isn’t too wild without orbs.
It’s absolutely not fine on paper. It’s still broken. Almost max aim assist, no recoil at all, and one of the fastest TTKs in the game at range is not fine at all. If you want an absurd .7 TTK, usually you have to…aim your gun? Theres no punishment at all for missing a few bullets unlike with a “over powered” hand cannon where missing one shot tanks your TTK.
I mean, if not for the free orbs from that warlock helmet, isn’t it usually harder to generate orbs than to get a kill? Reaper requires a kill, class ability spendt and you need to collect the orb, while siphon requires a multi kill. Seems more reasonable to nerf the warlock helmet in pvp. Just add that the orb spawning part only works in pve
@aintgotnophd2196 Well, the having to collect the orb part doesn't matter, it has shoot to loot. I could see Bungie just straight removing the orb part as it isn't that important in pve since orbs are so abundant there anyway. And for the weapon itself, they'll probably make the ricochet bullets do like 1 damage to guardians or something.
Not at all a PVP main player; But I am certain the problem is how defensive the combo is. Ricos can be used both offensive and defensive ways; A healing turret is just defensive holding by undoing someone's efforts. IMO, helm's ability to spawn orbs in PVP and its effective healing needs the nerfing. If bungie wants to get crazy with it, make the ricos target turrets, shields, and offensive grenades (before guardians) in that order. Break utility before breaking players down.
I passively got most of the Khovstov requirements, apart from the traveler balls, and the tail end of the Overthrow events, I legit only grinded overthrow for 3 or so Motes, and I got all but one collectable from the cysts on the first or second run
Khvostov really is a class of one with its stats and feel, but with the Speaker's helm it's a bit too much. I reckon they'll tone down the orb frequency and the bonus damage of Eyes Up Guardian, but I also wonder if the map did its part to make things worse
Honestly they could remove the orb generation all the way and the helm would still be worth using. As it is right now the orb is just too much and not needed for a great build
@@justsomewalrus9923 I wonder if you could take away the chaining altogether and it'd still be worth using because of a combination of high dps and easy to hit shots with.
The grind and multiple steps to get the gun didn't bother me at all, most of it you can do while just playing. What bothered me was the bug with motes of light dropping and having to jump through hoops to get that last one. That is supposedly fixed now though, and the gun itself is great fun in PVE.
All I hoAs a PvE main, both it and Khovostov have quickly become some of my favorite toys this season, and I really hope PvP doesn't mean they end up getting nerfed for me.
Something you didn't mention. Teamshooting against this is damn near impossible because the ricochet rounds will tag you and whatever teammates happen to be around you. So cover is negligiblely helpful.
@@superstandardand that's where another 1 or 2 weeks of khvostov might help so the handholding meta finally stops. It really seeme Bungies solution to that clusterfuck was khvostov and even though it is annoying it is beatable.
@superstandard You're playing the wrong game for that. Every mode except rumble is a team game. If you're constantly running off on your own, you're the reason your team is losing.
i think Bungie should make it to where speaker's sight doesn't produce orbs inside of pvp. If khvovostov were to get hit instead, all that will do is make surge mods with a different primary the new strat.
khovos biggest strength is the ricochet round, it tracks towards you preventing you from recovering your health if you get hit, forcing your team to disburse when you really need to be fighting as a team
Idk why everyone says it’s terrible to grind for, it was pretty straightforward for me. I got it in one day solo. Maybe I got lucky cause every overthrow I did was a different boss, all in a row, or maybe it’s designed that way, not sure, but it was no where near as bad as getting the OG taken king swords back in day one.
As a warlock main, it's fine. They should ad some form of stat tracker for healing in the match results too, i think it'd be encouraging for different playstyles. I'm getting older, and i dont have the reaction speed i use too to hit scan. So finding a different means of contributing to the team is nice honestly.
Osteo's nerfs werent all that significant. Quicksilver on the other hand remained broken for a whole year and a half, which has been nerfed into the realm of fair (Starfire Protocol anyone?). Khovastov doesn't feel like it needs a nerf as it focuses on its position as an add clear primary compared to the crowd and single target potential of both Osteo and Quicksilver. If anything it would get a base stat nerf and MAYBE reduced functuonality in PvP, but I think the problem lies on the ability to create orbs without kills. They'll probably approach the Speaker's Sight helmet first.
same lol. I've easily played at least 15hrs just running around the pale heart doing stuff. when I eventually tried to get khvostov, I just needed to collect the hidden travelers and got the gun
Khvostov doesn’t just have ease of use. It has cyberbullying properties. Pretty convinced it and Red Death have the Ikeklos SMG’s Zen Moment in the scope, and the ricochets mean you’ll punish players trying to heal through their teammates. Now add on that its ricochet bullets do a bit more damage allowing a faster ttk…
I think thats just closer to how the D1 weapons felt and thats why they feel like they are so stable. Similar to outbreak getting auto rifle recoil in D2 due to it having it in D1 (granted that was a bug initially) Also @CleopatraKing , do you have a source?
It’s broken, without Speakers sight. It has a base TTK of .7 just cuz, and sometimes inexplicably it will just delete you. I’ve been saving clips of myself dropping nearly instantly to Khvostov and it happens ALL THE TIME
Fun fact: Facet of Grace actually also makes Strand and Stasis guns (at least in that slot) give a small amount of Light Transcendence energy on kills despite being pure-Dark weapons!
Ricochet damage shouldn't do any extra damage in pvp. If they make that change and leave everything else the gun will continue to feel amazing without letting 1 v 3 people easily.
Question for the community: How would you feel about an exotic ban list for pvp? So instead of having to nerf the weapon or armor and affect its usability in the game as a whole, just have that single piece of gear removed from the equation in pvp specifically. I know that kinda goes against the philosophy of the game's design, but I'm still interested in hearing people's thoughts. Please be constructive in your response/feedback, not trying to start a war lol
Honestly I agree... to an extent. What I would love to see is a rotating exclusion list each and every season, maybe monthly even. Instead of dicking with balance and buffing this and nerfing that, all to wind up in the EXACT SAME META as we have had for 5 years now (hc shotty). Instead of changing balances just outright ban specific weapons or archetypes or even whole families of weapons to REALLY change the damn meta already. For example HCs, Shotties, SMGs, and Autos have reigned Supreme in pvp for at least the past 4 years regardless of the balance shifting towards other weapons types. So let's temporarily ban Handcannons, Shotties, SMGs and Autos from the pvp sandbox for an "act" and let every other weapon type have their day in the sun. Now let's say after that act that Snipers and Scouts became the top ranked kings of weapons, ban them now for the next act but reintroduce SMGs and Handcannons... rinse and repeat so that no one weapon or weapon archetype remains the king for 4 freaking years. We could also do the same for exotic armors, if specific ones are really consistently over performing on the charts then ban them in pvp for an act. This would force people to FINALLY take off that god damned Rose, Conditional, Syntho, Wormcrown, Speakers, etc etc etc... It would be super refreshing to not go up against the same people using the same loadout that they have for 4+ years with ever so subtle changes... honestly if Bungie straight up deleted all Shotguns I'd be happy and have 99.9998% more fun in PVP... I don't know at the end of the day, but something drastic needs to happen to the pvp sandbox to really shake up the "meta". I'm so tired of the hc/shotty/hgl and all the stupidly crutch armors people have been relying on for years. No real tweak to the balances will ever make hc/shotty/hgl go away and that really annoys me, and if somehow by some miracle bungie figures out how to balance things to kill the stale 5 year old meta then a huge majority of the community that's been abusing and crutching on that meta for years will cry and cry amd bungie will revert the change (-5 and surges in raids for example, lasted a whole week before they removed it because people complained they can't use their crutchy braindead meta and have to, heaven forbid, use a different element of weapons than "izzy apex meta"
3:48 interesting tid bit about the trials kills, it's only beaten by the Ammit AR2 which accounted for 34% of trials kills when you could craft absolutely ridiculous weapons because of some glitch or something, I never personally messed with it
Kvhostov is literally my new favorite gun in the game and if it gets nerfed in pve because of pvp I'm going to be extremely pissed off. I truly dont care that it's OP in crucible, if they cant figure out a way to do a pvp-only nerf then they shouldnt touch it IMO. I've seen this exact thing happen way too many times over the years to some of my favorite exotics and I'm absolutely sick of it.
I'm slightly surprised Khvostov's considered a grind to get. It wasn't that far off from it felt like getting Final Warning or a D1 quest, though I'm not about to pretend there's no grind I just thought the amount was relatively par for the course. I guess it helped that I was using the Overthrow steps from the Alone in the Dark missions to farm Ergo Sum rolls so it wasn't like the only thing of interest was the Khvostov at the end of it all. I'll definitely grant that the "find keybit fragments" and "find traveller orbs" steps are a commitment if not using a guide though some of those are very well tucked out of the way.
I just wished it had a questlock in which I could check which keybits I'm missing, I did some a week ago but then didn't have time to finish it, and my motivation to check all spots again is near nil.
@@ninasten7312 That's a fair point, I did them all in one sitting so it wasn't a problem for me but the fact the game doesn't tell you which keys/ motes you've already gotten I can definitely see being a frustration if working on collecting them over several sittings.
"With very high uptime and the ability to be buffed by orbs, the damage they deal both on initial impact and on their returning bounces allows Khvostov to neutrally drop it’s time-to-kill down to a level usually reserved for more difficult-to-trigger damage boosts" - bungie. You forgot to mention this. Khvostov ttk wss hotting 0.6 to 0.7 when somones connection was spotty. Why is noone covering this bungie literally confirmed it
Love K-stov for PvE, but one detail that wasn’t mentioned enough is how frustrating the high damage and frequency of the ricochet rounds are on this thing. I can’t tell you how many times I got erased when not anywhere in direct line of sight by an opponent
People love bitching about guns when they get killed by them and then when they use it they are quiet. I think the gun should stay untouched because you have to GRIND for a long ass time for this exotic so I think it’s worth the grind and for players who don’t have it yet or in the middle of grinding for the gun get it nerfed to hell is just unfair because of those who play this game all day had it for a while and get their cake and eat it too.
Something to also note is that you cannot hear your opponents shooting the khovostov at you, but you can hear it hitting you. To my knowledge it is the only gun that functions that way
As a pvp main this a literal return to the “tatget lock smg meta” but this time we have an auto so it can have like 6 meters more of range and can get a .7 ttk AND its kinda like a mini cloudstrike but for an auto hmmmmm wonder y its so strong? 😂 not to mention the healing helm or whatever strat with it is so strong. As a hc main u basically have to play perfectly or ur dead to it. Kinda frustrating at times ngl.
Nothing needs to be done it took a insane amount of work to get the gun basically running a marathon in the process you all just have to switch off the same meta you cling to and try something else it’s the endgame we are tired of nerfs if anything start buffing underused gear and exotics god knows Tons of stuff needs some love
As an Auto Rifle enjoyer, Khvostov and it's ricochet rounds feel like a wet dream. It's a 600 rpm, adaptive frame which is my favorite archetype in an auto, and because it's an exotic, it's free dmg in pve. Not only that, but it's a LAZERBEAM so it feels too good in my hands, especially since I play d2 on ps5. The ornament is absolutely gorgeous, and hits all the right spots. Quicksilver storm used to be my favorite for how great it felt and how impactful it was against literally everything.. But It never hit the spots I was wanting in an auto, so I hardly used it post-Lightfall. I prioritize my time in pve, whether it be patrol, raids, dungeons or nightfalls, so I sure hope (sweat drops down my face) that it doesn't get hit hard with any stupid nerfs.
I kinda wish you covered the ricochet feature like drewskys did, the increase in damage makes the gun have a .7 ttk, season of the chosen had 600s with this ttk so its basically better than all 600s currently. Not to mention the ricochet will add some crowd control that causes enemies that are weak to potentially die. You don't even need to run an orb build, by default the khvostov will get a .7 because of the easy deterministic recoil, aim assist, etc.
I'm mainly a pvp player. After playing trials all weekend I've found the best strategy to counter khvostov is 2 khovostovs and a red death. Honestly feels like those two weapons are going to run the crucible for the forseeable future
I don't think that Khvostov should be nerfed, and if it is a nerf, it's to the recoil pattern/stability only. The main problem is Speaker's Sight and will continue to be Speaker's Sight until it gets fundamentally changed.
If the quest isn’t bugged for you it really isn’t that hard to get. I did the whole thing besides like 1 region chest and 1 cyst in like 6 total hours of gameplay which you can very easily tackle over the course of a week and your gonna hit some of the stuff when doing campaign anyways
Love it in PVE and really also hoping they remember they can target any adjustments to PVP only (where it does seem it could use some tweaking). In PVE it really feels like what you went through to get it and the fact that its taking up an exotic slot makes it worth paying off as well as it does.
@@Pixy643 yea idk i think people are just asking for what they want as a toddler would do, buff this nerf that, nobody is objectively criticizing anything lmao
Ran into a triple stack of warlocks with that stupid helmet and red death. They just cycled the healing the whole game making it practically impossible to kill one. Even if you did living after taking that one down, you'd die since their buddy is strapped to their hip. As a titan main bungie needs to dial back all the crazy stuff hunters and warlocks got since the final shape launch.
All hunters seemed to get is a vertical grenade for prismatic, and a chestplate that throws a bit of jolt. I swear, it's like Hunters get 1 decent thing, and it has to be nerfed to the ground because god forbid they get anything. As a titan main, I agree with needing to tone down warlocks, but leave the jumpy boys alone, we can still skate around the map and punch like nobodies business.
Hold on here, as a warlock main I agree that the helmet should be looked at as being able to generate orbs without kills isnt a very good idea, however I want to know what crazy stuff hunters got? They got better threaded specters and occasional damage resistance from jolting things? I feel like if anything, outside of the melee buff stacking in the hunters base Prismatic kit, hunters got shafted by far the most with Final Shape. That's just my opinion though, what do you feel hunters got that were too strong. P.S. I cry when knockout diamond lance in pvp pls dont
Just look up hunter prismatic grapple melee. You'll find some wild stuff..... Also seeing a hunter friend of mine having the melee dodge melee invis makes my triple slam feel lackluster. The whole prismatic kit for titan is all over the place and the class item could've gotten a lot better combinations that bungie just neglected and threw some wacky stuff in. The grenade choice is pretty disappointing having no grapple kind of ticks me off.
@@K_Bogz They also got a pair of boots that causes the clone they make with the dodge to take the radar ping. So they can dodge and rotate without you knowing. I also feel like the hunter dodge breaks my game and has every shot that would've landing miss because some sort of invincibility frames. They also got an exotic weapon that synergizes with their celestial nighthawk, the exotic class item selections are pretty busted, they also gave every class access to the melee damage boost of synthoceps.
@@foreverpyrite Prismatic definitely has nothing standing against the starting Arc/Void melee combo or the grapple that andrew pointed out. I want to use the solar knives, but I currently can't find anything that helps them stand out AND I can comfortably adapt my playstyle around.
until it gets adjusted, the best counter to this strategy imo are mini-game guns: Hawkmoon (when it gets freed), Revision Zero, Symmetry - pick according to map - since they can just straight up one shot players, ignoring any healing opponents used
Khvostov is the best feeling primary I’ve ever used. Thank goodness bungie didn’t nerf it in PVE, only PVP. This weapon is simply amazing and an orb generating machine. 6000+ kills so far with it.
The problem is Orbs of Power on Demand juicing up the gun. I've beaten plenty of teams using khovostov by itself but when it a warlock using Speakers there's not much I can do.
It really is busted in PVP though. Soloed to the lighthouse twice last weekend once on mercy card and again on a wealth card. Not 100 percent sure what the secret sauce is with this gun but its stability and ease of use seems to be far better then its stats would suggest. The ricochet isnt really the problem IMO its the fact its a literal lazer beam that even a mediocre player can beam you with.
cool gun but the orb of power cheesing in the beginning of a trials match is unbearable. I am a warlock player myself and got a triple kill with a ricochet and wanted to hurl.
"theres a way to nerf something in pvp without effecting it in pve" i felt that in my young ahamkara spine yearning soul... it was one of my fave pve exotics for the longest time. i really hope bungie doesnt just blanket nerf the weapon like they have in the past, things like this deserve tact otherwise the exotic is just dead in the water in both modes
Still can't get it to drop. I've gone in circles, killing Overthrow bosses for weeks now and still no idea what I'm missing or if the game is bugged. They absolutely need to add someway for players to track what their missing.
I farmed out the boss kills on accident lol just farming for rep to be able to craft the healing rifle and the call, got them craftable day 3 lol a few days later realized how much of the quest for this I did.
the best counter to this build is clone spam (also a major issue that needs re working) paired with smoke nades, swarm nades, and thorn, all the tick damage is just gonna shut the healing down, freeze builds are also very effective
The other annoying thing about it is the free multi target damage it provides. I can't tell you how many times I was in another engagement and got to half health or remained weak because my other solo teammates were getting shot. I don't want the gun to lose that functionality but the richoet damage needs to be toned down in pvp
im unable to unlock the gun because i had a full inventory while looting the regional chests. so running into it in trials non stop made it feel even worse.
the way bungie spits on warlocks, i predict a hard nerf to speaker's sight, not just in pvp, but across the board. my bet: they either turn down the rate at wich the healing spawns orbs to a level where one orb gets spawned at the end of its duration with touch of flame or they are just gonna scrap that part completely
In pve I live what they did with a highly customizable legendary version and a really strong work horse exotic version. Now in pvp I still love it since when D1 exotic khvostov out I was a menace with that thing mind you not top of the leader board menace but if I got in range you could kiss that 20 streak good by and now in D2 I wouldn’t be surprised if an aspect of speakers sight or khvostov gets a nerf but I just hope it’s a pvp lever and not a nerf the whole gun lever
I haven’t had the time to play pvp much at all since TFS dropped, but this seems like a super easy fix, yeah? Just axe the “chance to spawn an orb” clause from Speaker’s Sight in pvp only. Then, it’ll still be super powerful, but maybe it will be a more even duel with RDR.
I thought one of the points would be the annoying ricochet sound effect. When that gun is at its peak add control level the sound effect can be distracting to me and several people I play with.
I get the helmet is kinda too good with all its benefits and synergy with khvostov, but on a longer range map i dont see it being as much of an issue personally. Yes they’re both excellent and can use slight tuning, but i think the close range map this past week only helped amplify it all
Am I the only one who got the overthrow part done pretty easily? Like I just passively did lots of overthrows to grind for ergo sum and ended up getting 8/9 of the motes by thursday. Then when they patched the meatball I immediately got it and did everything else in like…an hour and a half?
It has a very inconsistent ttk valuation. I believe the ricochet damage numbers are sometimes damage glitching, and it’s occurring more frequently due to exotic perk bundling together with team shots. Bungie should temp ban it and do some serious play testing.
Off topic but tbh… I really want to see Sturm get a rework. One of the forgotten exotics. At this point it feels like a legendary I cant even use with an exotic. It has a beautiful bullet/projectile. It has its own unique reload. But it does not, even with drang, make up for having no special.
The speakers sight orb thing is stupid cause i fought a team in duos 2 weeks ago using that with still hunt to get constant golden gun shots and to say it was annoying is an understatement
I get it. I do. But someone who also plays Halo Infinite, Khvostov isn't that bad. Imagine Vestian Dynasty outgunning a Pulse Rifle or Scout Rifle at range, and being better mid range than Auto Rifles.
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I stg if this gets nerfed in PVE because of PVP I will still play destiny and be slightly annoyed!
Will you make a reddit post about it?
Bro spitting facts 💯🗣
That’s some real shit
the reddit post will be soon after they do that, but honestly this one is a big one in pvp it needs a nerf
im still mourning YAS in pve :(
Praying Kvhostov remains unchanged in PvE cause its such a fun workhorse of a weapon. The creative vision they had for it definitely shines through
I just hope it doesn’t get the same nerfs that quicksilver storm ended up getting
Knowing Bungie they’re gonna nerf it for PvE.
It’s still too strong in pve as well. It has intrinsic vorpal I swear. It melts me outta my super faster than graviton and that has vorpal baked into the description
It’s better than osteo wished it was on day one
@@BrandonLebreton-hr3nl yeah no, osteo with necrotic grips used to be the "vaguely aim and everything is gone" gun
It’s 2014: The White Khvostov is meta in Destiny 1 PvP
It’s 2024: The Exotic Khvostov is meta in Destiny 2 PvP
The cycle is finally complete.
Was The exotic version in D1 not meta in D1 PvP?
@@Lady_Amelia-Eloise it was really bad
yellowed with age!
@@Damian-1701Incorrect. In its 900 RPM form it was one of the best duelers in the game. It was a better Doctrine of Passing.
The gun is fantastic in PVE and should be left alone in that sandbox.
Cerberus +1, "IT SHOULD'VE BEEN ME, NOT HIM!!!"
No one uses bro 😭
@@Unkown4life22 Just because you don't use it, that doesn't mean no one uses it
@@Cerberus1141 my bad u and the other 3 people keeping it in use
@Unkown4life22 bruh, the cult of 10k people will continue past this stupid comment bc you are a meta slave anyways :p
@@Cerberus1141 it got a tiny, tiny buff and it didn't move the needle. It needs to be looked at overall, but I can understand - if you do too much it becomes too powerful way quick
If Khvostov catches a pve nerf because of pvp I'm gonna lose it lol
cry us a river
Right.
Ngl I don’t enjoy the gun at all so idc lol
@@4am446cool.
@@ohm-e-
Ew a pvp lover
People begging bungie to nerf the warlock helm after they got their well nerfed into the grave is just throwing rocks at a corpse
If they're titan mains, they're making the wrong complaint and should unite with us against the hunter overjuicing.
It they're Hunters... GTFO?
@@ians_mind Prismatic hunters are genuinely insufferable to play against.
@@loserinasuit7880 yeah, the gtfo was about them being massively overtuned and the golden child class
If they nerf speakers sight in PVE I am going to throw hands I swear to god John bungie
Honestly it would be deserved, I’ve been clearly glassway so easily with it
@@sweep_swoop You shut your mouth.
@@sweep_swoopcope lil bro it's a good exotic. Just bc it's good doesn't mean it needs nerfed
@@sweep_swoophaving a good exotic is not a reason to nerf it
So thanks to Still hunt, Hunters became the PVE meta and were kings of the day 1 raid.
Thanks to Khvostov, Warlocks are the PVP meta because they make free orbs for ricochet bullets.
So Titans, maybe you're the kings of gambit now thanks to uhh... Ergo sum, I guess? Maybe?
Rockets perhaps???
@Gojira19546 rockets are good! Yeah maybe titans can turn themselves into a rocket
@@potato1341 they already have a exotic that could shoot rockets out of their bodys
The idea isnt too farfetched
One thing I don’t see talked about with this weapon is how much it’s shaking up the team shooting meta. Entire teams now are scared to peak together when that gun is in play.
😂😂😂😂😂
God I hope Bungo adds a way to track which motes you've gotten from which boss
It tells you which bosses you killed in the pale heart triumphs under the exploration tab. It just won’t tell you if you actually picked up the mote after killing it (if that’s more what you’re asking for)
@@benrusch3839triumph was bugged week one and it displays them all being beaten for some
@@StonePilled oh yeah I think I remember hearing about that. Didn’t happen for me but very understandable how annoying that is for whoever it happened to
@benrusch3839 yeah that's more what I'm asking for, played on day 1 and killed a bunch of random bosses before knowing about the motes so no clue what ones I have
@@StonePilledsame thing happened to me. The way I got around it is I went and fought the meatball boss beat him. Went through another overthrow. Fight him again and then that time he dropped my note. So I’d try killing the meatball once. Waiting at the destination to have the timer reset. And then go through and kill him again. I really hope this helps.
Honestly just entirely removing orbs of light from PVP would solve this and many other problems
Who tf thought it was a good idea for surge mods and orbs of power to be active in pvp. That's genuinely bonkers. The only orbs people should be generating are from supers
Honestly, easiest fix ever
@@BigPapaSpeedwagon if surge mods are the bane of your existence, it's a skill issue.
Crimson is still highly underrated, bungie devs said so themselves, I made over a dozen of these solar warlocks fall at the gates with crimson voidlock, nothing beats instant health, overshield and reload on kill.
@@GoersEditsdid crimson get a buff? i don't remember it giving instant health,
Ngl I really like running kvhostov with apotheosis in pve. Kvhostov straight up prints orbs. Running it with song of flame means just spamming abilities for a really long time
There like no synergy at all between those two exotics
@Edgetarian15 yes but I'm not using the exotic itself. The ricochet bullets kill a lot of targets really quickly which generates orbs very fast, therefore getting my super rather quickly. And apotheosis relies on my super
@Edgetarian15 He said it prints orbs which means he's getting his super back really quickly. More super means more Apotheosis activation.
I don't get it. Handcanons and pulse rifles clap it. What it does well is punish "bad" positioning .
agreed, the gun is good, but its not op, Khavostov is like superblack for crucible, overused, and a tad over hated
It's the combo with speakers sight. Eyes up guardian has a 17m range and can bounce multiple times between two guardians. Given that ricochet do more damage and the khvostov also has radiant due to artifact one of my buddies has hit a 43 damage ricochet that hit 3 times. And a burst of cure x2 solidly puts ttk in the khvostov favour.
It's also way more forgiving than a pulse or handcannon. I started shooting a khvostov speakers sight with aishas care and despite getting the first shot he was able to react and burn me down instantly due to having eyes up, radiant and burst of healing midway through. It also lost us the match cause the ricochet hit my last teammate who had disengaged from this guy and was standing on objective. It stopped his healing and made him an easy kill.
Khvostov by itself is very good but not broken but it very quickly becomes that when combined with speakers sight
@@mightbeapersonmaybe8379 agreed
People complaining about Khovostov quest being grindy don't know about D1 Taken King trying to get Touch of Malice and all of the exotic swords and it shows 👀
I’d sooner get dark drinker 5 times over before wanting to grind khovostov in d2 again tbh
Oh yeah and to get 52 calified fragments in the touch of malice quest. 🤯
@@-Lucifer__ it's not even that bad of a quest, the most annoying thing would be to get the 9 motes from the the Overthrow bosses. Outside of that, it's just to go around and collect things in the Pale Heart which is nothing hard and pretty chill tbh
Oh or fucking Thorn in d2. Ya know the quest that got vaulted that needed something like 500 void/HC kills? That shit WAS PAIN
I still don't have a crux.
I hate how PvP metas affect pve
cry us a river
Tbh its just an easy auto and has everything going for it to work perfectly with the build it just makes sense and everyone uses what everyone else is using because yea if they using it must be good
@@sebastian_blair6685 hey bro
@ohm-e no, that's your job, pvp player
@@yasininn76 you outta luck, even if i were mainly playing pve i'd still hate the amount of tears the average destiny 2 normie cries over everything, i just use stuff i like and if they nerf it i like it even more
In PVP, this gun is super good in PvE too, like probably the best in terms of primary weapon add clear
It’s literally ridiculous a weapon besides a hand cannon is at the top and crucible players are in tears. I’ve Seen igneous hit 48% kills before.
That's just the way the PvP community is, whenever handcannons aren't without question the best option they cry, extra tears if the weapon they're losing to is an auto rifle, because "mY hANdCanNOn tAkES sO MUcH sKiLl, AUtOs aRe FOr NoOBs" despite HCs literally having more AA built in than other guns lol.
The community also seems to hate Warlocks being meta, so it's a perfect combo of making the typical unoriginal player lose their mind.
The reason this gun exceeds is how forgiving it is if you miss one hc headshot it's over I mean it's hella fun to use the khvostov but it's totally broken there's no competition in terms of raw power / raw ttk gun is a straight beam
Yeah and igneous and it's archetype ended up being nerfed as a result. Let this annoying shi get nerfed in pvp as well, shouldn't be an exception
Still went flawless 3 times as an igneous PvP main. It ain’t that bad
Are you pretending to not understand that HCs are a skill weapon with a single miss all but ensuring death, or are you just actually stupid?
6:32 Fallout calling the dev team to just nerf something in pvp and leave it alone in pve while he simultaneously whined about Young Ahamkara's Spine in every other video until it was nerfed into the ground in pvp and pve. Love you Fallout, but I am still salty about that.
Justice for YAS! I'm only half joking.
YAS was broken in PVP, and I don't think I've ever seen it used once in PVE
@@rentedmule169 I maines that thing on my Hunter in PvE. It's loop was so effing fun.
@@rentedmule169 Oh, it was absolutely broken in pvp. I do not disagree with that one bit. But the nerf in pve? That was not justified. It was used in one solo Caretaker run, but outside of that, I had only seen it in middle to high-middle of the pack niche damage strats. One of the most fun exotics snapped from existence because of pvp.
@@A1DragonSlayeroh it was definitely broken in PvE as well I was a YAS savant and I never took that build off…being able to spam infinite scorch, grenades, and ignitions on any target was insane. I’ve solo’s DPS dungeon bosses without even shooting my heavy weapon.
Khvostov *maybe* needs a kill requirement to proc the ricochets in pvp? Idk. On paper it’s fine, but the whole ‘free damage on other players around corners’ is a tough thing to nerf without making the weapon feel non-exotic. To be fair though, the speaker helmet is also juicing this problem because the weapon isn’t too wild without orbs.
It’s absolutely not fine on paper. It’s still broken. Almost max aim assist, no recoil at all, and one of the fastest TTKs in the game at range is not fine at all. If you want an absurd .7 TTK, usually you have to…aim your gun? Theres no punishment at all for missing a few bullets unlike with a “over powered” hand cannon where missing one shot tanks your TTK.
I mean, if not for the free orbs from that warlock helmet, isn’t it usually harder to generate orbs than to get a kill? Reaper requires a kill, class ability spendt and you need to collect the orb, while siphon requires a multi kill. Seems more reasonable to nerf the warlock helmet in pvp. Just add that the orb spawning part only works in pve
@aintgotnophd2196 Well, the having to collect the orb part doesn't matter, it has shoot to loot. I could see Bungie just straight removing the orb part as it isn't that important in pve since orbs are so abundant there anyway. And for the weapon itself, they'll probably make the ricochet bullets do like 1 damage to guardians or something.
Not at all a PVP main player; But I am certain the problem is how defensive the combo is. Ricos can be used both offensive and defensive ways; A healing turret is just defensive holding by undoing someone's efforts.
IMO, helm's ability to spawn orbs in PVP and its effective healing needs the nerfing. If bungie wants to get crazy with it, make the ricos target turrets, shields, and offensive grenades (before guardians) in that order. Break utility before breaking players down.
Neft the helms. Need the helms.
I passively got most of the Khovstov requirements, apart from the traveler balls, and the tail end of the Overthrow events, I legit only grinded overthrow for 3 or so Motes, and I got all but one collectable from the cysts on the first or second run
Khvostov really is a class of one with its stats and feel, but with the Speaker's helm it's a bit too much. I reckon they'll tone down the orb frequency and the bonus damage of Eyes Up Guardian, but I also wonder if the map did its part to make things worse
Honestly they could remove the orb generation all the way and the helm would still be worth using. As it is right now the orb is just too much and not needed for a great build
@@justsomewalrus9923 I wonder if you could take away the chaining altogether and it'd still be worth using because of a combination of high dps and easy to hit shots with.
The grind and multiple steps to get the gun didn't bother me at all, most of it you can do while just playing. What bothered me was the bug with motes of light dropping and having to jump through hoops to get that last one. That is supposedly fixed now though, and the gun itself is great fun in PVE.
All I hoAs a PvE main, both it and Khovostov have quickly become some of my favorite toys this season, and I really hope PvP doesn't mean they end up getting nerfed for me.
Something you didn't mention. Teamshooting against this is damn near impossible because the ricochet rounds will tag you and whatever teammates happen to be around you. So cover is negligiblely helpful.
Good, I'm sick of fighting multiple people in every engagement. Just let me have a duel.
@@superstandardand that's where another 1 or 2 weeks of khvostov might help so the handholding meta finally stops. It really seeme Bungies solution to that clusterfuck was khvostov and even though it is annoying it is beatable.
@superstandard You're playing the wrong game for that. Every mode except rumble is a team game. If you're constantly running off on your own, you're the reason your team is losing.
I think it’s entirely mapped related. Had no problem on bannerfall matching 3s rocking the helm and auto.
i think Bungie should make it to where speaker's sight doesn't produce orbs inside of pvp. If khvovostov were to get hit instead, all that will do is make surge mods with a different primary the new strat.
khovos biggest strength is the ricochet round, it tracks towards you preventing you from recovering your health if you get hit, forcing your team to disburse when you really need to be fighting as a team
This is definitely my new favorite exotic as a pve player since they massacred my boy osteo striga
I'm almost exclusively a PVE player and I love Khvostov. It hits that sweet spot of being fun and effective. Hearing the *ping* is pure dopamine.
Idk why everyone says it’s terrible to grind for, it was pretty straightforward for me. I got it in one day solo. Maybe I got lucky cause every overthrow I did was a different boss, all in a row, or maybe it’s designed that way, not sure, but it was no where near as bad as getting the OG taken king swords back in day one.
As a warlock main, it's fine. They should ad some form of stat tracker for healing in the match results too, i think it'd be encouraging for different playstyles.
I'm getting older, and i dont have the reaction speed i use too to hit scan. So finding a different means of contributing to the team is nice honestly.
I feel like it'll eventually be nerfed and get the osteo/quicksilver treatment :(
Osteo's nerfs werent all that significant.
Quicksilver on the other hand remained broken for a whole year and a half, which has been nerfed into the realm of fair (Starfire Protocol anyone?).
Khovastov doesn't feel like it needs a nerf as it focuses on its position as an add clear primary compared to the crowd and single target potential of both Osteo and Quicksilver.
If anything it would get a base stat nerf and MAYBE reduced functuonality in PvP, but I think the problem lies on the ability to create orbs without kills. They'll probably approach the Speaker's Sight helmet first.
@@foreverpyrite Osteo is dead dawg
I enjoyed the pale heart so much I only needed 1 boss and the runaround collectables to unlock it soooo 😅
same lol. I've easily played at least 15hrs just running around the pale heart doing stuff. when I eventually tried to get khvostov, I just needed to collect the hidden travelers and got the gun
Khvostov doesn’t just have ease of use. It has cyberbullying properties. Pretty convinced it and Red Death have the Ikeklos SMG’s Zen Moment in the scope, and the ricochets mean you’ll punish players trying to heal through their teammates. Now add on that its ricochet bullets do a bit more damage allowing a faster ttk…
Its been confirmed to have zen as a hidden perk and is the primary reason I use it in pvp aside from it doing fuck loads of dmg.
I think thats just closer to how the D1 weapons felt and thats why they feel like they are so stable. Similar to outbreak getting auto rifle recoil in D2 due to it having it in D1 (granted that was a bug initially)
Also @CleopatraKing , do you have a source?
It’s broken, without Speakers sight. It has a base TTK of .7 just cuz, and sometimes inexplicably it will just delete you. I’ve been saving clips of myself dropping nearly instantly to Khvostov and it happens ALL THE TIME
That's what I'm saying bungie even conformed this why is no youtuber talking about this
Fun fact: Facet of Grace actually also makes Strand and Stasis guns (at least in that slot) give a small amount of Light Transcendence energy on kills despite being pure-Dark weapons!
I hate it because it's locked behind Final Ship. I wish it was swapped with Red Death in the free season pass.
The 7 gimmick in all stats are making this gun a 7/7. If they nerf anything, they'd probably nerf the ricochet damage by a good bit
Ricochet damage shouldn't do any extra damage in pvp. If they make that change and leave everything else the gun will continue to feel amazing without letting 1 v 3 people easily.
Question for the community:
How would you feel about an exotic ban list for pvp?
So instead of having to nerf the weapon or armor and affect its usability in the game as a whole, just have that single piece of gear removed from the equation in pvp specifically.
I know that kinda goes against the philosophy of the game's design, but I'm still interested in hearing people's thoughts.
Please be constructive in your response/feedback, not trying to start a war lol
Honestly I agree... to an extent. What I would love to see is a rotating exclusion list each and every season, maybe monthly even. Instead of dicking with balance and buffing this and nerfing that, all to wind up in the EXACT SAME META as we have had for 5 years now (hc shotty). Instead of changing balances just outright ban specific weapons or archetypes or even whole families of weapons to REALLY change the damn meta already.
For example HCs, Shotties, SMGs, and Autos have reigned Supreme in pvp for at least the past 4 years regardless of the balance shifting towards other weapons types. So let's temporarily ban Handcannons, Shotties, SMGs and Autos from the pvp sandbox for an "act" and let every other weapon type have their day in the sun. Now let's say after that act that Snipers and Scouts became the top ranked kings of weapons, ban them now for the next act but reintroduce SMGs and Handcannons... rinse and repeat so that no one weapon or weapon archetype remains the king for 4 freaking years. We could also do the same for exotic armors, if specific ones are really consistently over performing on the charts then ban them in pvp for an act. This would force people to FINALLY take off that god damned Rose, Conditional, Syntho, Wormcrown, Speakers, etc etc etc...
It would be super refreshing to not go up against the same people using the same loadout that they have for 4+ years with ever so subtle changes... honestly if Bungie straight up deleted all Shotguns I'd be happy and have 99.9998% more fun in PVP...
I don't know at the end of the day, but something drastic needs to happen to the pvp sandbox to really shake up the "meta". I'm so tired of the hc/shotty/hgl and all the stupidly crutch armors people have been relying on for years. No real tweak to the balances will ever make hc/shotty/hgl go away and that really annoys me, and if somehow by some miracle bungie figures out how to balance things to kill the stale 5 year old meta then a huge majority of the community that's been abusing and crutching on that meta for years will cry and cry amd bungie will revert the change (-5 and surges in raids for example, lasted a whole week before they removed it because people complained they can't use their crutchy braindead meta and have to, heaven forbid, use a different element of weapons than "izzy apex meta"
3:48 interesting tid bit about the trials kills, it's only beaten by the Ammit AR2 which accounted for 34% of trials kills when you could craft absolutely ridiculous weapons because of some glitch or something, I never personally messed with it
Kvhostov is literally my new favorite gun in the game and if it gets nerfed in pve because of pvp I'm going to be extremely pissed off.
I truly dont care that it's OP in crucible, if they cant figure out a way to do a pvp-only nerf then they shouldnt touch it IMO. I've seen this exact thing happen way too many times over the years to some of my favorite exotics and I'm absolutely sick of it.
I'm slightly surprised Khvostov's considered a grind to get. It wasn't that far off from it felt like getting Final Warning or a D1 quest, though I'm not about to pretend there's no grind I just thought the amount was relatively par for the course. I guess it helped that I was using the Overthrow steps from the Alone in the Dark missions to farm Ergo Sum rolls so it wasn't like the only thing of interest was the Khvostov at the end of it all. I'll definitely grant that the "find keybit fragments" and "find traveller orbs" steps are a commitment if not using a guide though some of those are very well tucked out of the way.
I just wished it had a questlock in which I could check which keybits I'm missing, I did some a week ago but then didn't have time to finish it, and my motivation to check all spots again is near nil.
@@ninasten7312 That's a fair point, I did them all in one sitting so it wasn't a problem for me but the fact the game doesn't tell you which keys/ motes you've already gotten I can definitely see being a frustration if working on collecting them over several sittings.
"With very high uptime and the ability to be buffed by orbs, the damage they deal both on initial impact and on their returning bounces allows Khvostov to neutrally drop it’s time-to-kill down to a level usually reserved for more difficult-to-trigger damage boosts" - bungie. You forgot to mention this. Khvostov ttk wss hotting 0.6 to 0.7 when somones connection was spotty. Why is noone covering this bungie literally confirmed it
Love K-stov for PvE, but one detail that wasn’t mentioned enough is how frustrating the high damage and frequency of the ricochet rounds are on this thing. I can’t tell you how many times I got erased when not anywhere in direct line of sight by an opponent
People love bitching about guns when they get killed by them and then when they use it they are quiet. I think the gun should stay untouched because you have to GRIND for a long ass time for this exotic so I think it’s worth the grind and for players who don’t have it yet or in the middle of grinding for the gun get it nerfed to hell is just unfair because of those who play this game all day had it for a while and get their cake and eat it too.
Something to also note is that you cannot hear your opponents shooting the khovostov at you, but you can hear it hitting you. To my knowledge it is the only gun that functions that way
As a pvp main this a literal return to the “tatget lock smg meta” but this time we have an auto so it can have like 6 meters more of range and can get a .7 ttk AND its kinda like a mini cloudstrike but for an auto hmmmmm wonder y its so strong? 😂 not to mention the healing helm or whatever strat with it is so strong. As a hc main u basically have to play perfectly or ur dead to it. Kinda frustrating at times ngl.
Nothing needs to be done it took a insane amount of work to get the gun basically running a marathon in the process you all just have to switch off the same meta you cling to and try something else it’s the endgame we are tired of nerfs if anything start buffing underused gear and exotics god knows Tons of stuff needs some love
It literally took only two days to unlock the weapon... people really don't know what a long time is in mmos apparently.
As an Auto Rifle enjoyer, Khvostov and it's ricochet rounds feel like a wet dream. It's a 600 rpm, adaptive frame which is my favorite archetype in an auto, and because it's an exotic, it's free dmg in pve. Not only that, but it's a LAZERBEAM so it feels too good in my hands, especially since I play d2 on ps5. The ornament is absolutely gorgeous, and hits all the right spots. Quicksilver storm used to be my favorite for how great it felt and how impactful it was against literally everything.. But It never hit the spots I was wanting in an auto, so I hardly used it post-Lightfall. I prioritize my time in pve, whether it be patrol, raids, dungeons or nightfalls, so I sure hope (sweat drops down my face) that it doesn't get hit hard with any stupid nerfs.
I kinda wish you covered the ricochet feature like drewskys did, the increase in damage makes the gun have a .7 ttk, season of the chosen had 600s with this ttk so its basically better than all 600s currently. Not to mention the ricochet will add some crowd control that causes enemies that are weak to potentially die. You don't even need to run an orb build, by default the khvostov will get a .7 because of the easy deterministic recoil, aim assist, etc.
I like how Speaker’s Sight was clowned on for being too boring and now here it is causing problems
I'm mainly a pvp player. After playing trials all weekend I've found the best strategy to counter khvostov is 2 khovostovs and a red death. Honestly feels like those two weapons are going to run the crucible for the forseeable future
I don't think that Khvostov should be nerfed, and if it is a nerf, it's to the recoil pattern/stability only. The main problem is Speaker's Sight and will continue to be Speaker's Sight until it gets fundamentally changed.
Nerf in PVP BUNGIE WE MUST PROTECT THIS IN PVE!! also don’t touch my speakers sight!!!
Im not a heavy fan of shoot to loot as the shots sometimes dont register on the orbs at times.
It helped me go flawless, but i was solo quing, so i only got to do speaker shenanigans with my friend afterwards
If the quest isn’t bugged for you it really isn’t that hard to get. I did the whole thing besides like 1 region chest and 1 cyst in like 6 total hours of gameplay which you can very easily tackle over the course of a week and your gonna hit some of the stuff when doing campaign anyways
Love it in PVE and really also hoping they remember they can target any adjustments to PVP only (where it does seem it could use some tweaking). In PVE it really feels like what you went through to get it and the fact that its taking up an exotic slot makes it worth paying off as well as it does.
When a gun is bad - Make it good
Whe a gun in good- make it bad
Destiny logic
Isn't that the truth 😂
ever heard about balancing
@@ohm-e- they could make other shit better rather than"balancing"
@@Pixy643 yea idk i think people are just asking for what they want as a toddler would do, buff this nerf that, nobody is objectively criticizing anything lmao
They complain and they still suck at the game. I swear those man-childs...
Ran into a triple stack of warlocks with that stupid helmet and red death. They just cycled the healing the whole game making it practically impossible to kill one. Even if you did living after taking that one down, you'd die since their buddy is strapped to their hip. As a titan main bungie needs to dial back all the crazy stuff hunters and warlocks got since the final shape launch.
All hunters seemed to get is a vertical grenade for prismatic, and a chestplate that throws a bit of jolt. I swear, it's like Hunters get 1 decent thing, and it has to be nerfed to the ground because god forbid they get anything. As a titan main, I agree with needing to tone down warlocks, but leave the jumpy boys alone, we can still skate around the map and punch like nobodies business.
Hold on here, as a warlock main I agree that the helmet should be looked at as being able to generate orbs without kills isnt a very good idea, however I want to know what crazy stuff hunters got? They got better threaded specters and occasional damage resistance from jolting things? I feel like if anything, outside of the melee buff stacking in the hunters base Prismatic kit, hunters got shafted by far the most with Final Shape. That's just my opinion though, what do you feel hunters got that were too strong.
P.S. I cry when knockout diamond lance in pvp pls dont
Just look up hunter prismatic grapple melee. You'll find some wild stuff..... Also seeing a hunter friend of mine having the melee dodge melee invis makes my triple slam feel lackluster. The whole prismatic kit for titan is all over the place and the class item could've gotten a lot better combinations that bungie just neglected and threw some wacky stuff in. The grenade choice is pretty disappointing having no grapple kind of ticks me off.
@@K_Bogz They also got a pair of boots that causes the clone they make with the dodge to take the radar ping. So they can dodge and rotate without you knowing. I also feel like the hunter dodge breaks my game and has every shot that would've landing miss because some sort of invincibility frames. They also got an exotic weapon that synergizes with their celestial nighthawk, the exotic class item selections are pretty busted, they also gave every class access to the melee damage boost of synthoceps.
@@foreverpyrite Prismatic definitely has nothing standing against the starting Arc/Void melee combo or the grapple that andrew pointed out. I want to use the solar knives, but I currently can't find anything that helps them stand out AND I can comfortably adapt my playstyle around.
If khvostov gets a catalyst my idea is colleting orbs refills rounds to the mag maybe 8 rounds
Get gud pvp players.
I’ve been mopping up with sidearms recently. I only bust out the K-stov when I feel like running autos.
until it gets adjusted, the best counter to this strategy imo are mini-game guns: Hawkmoon (when it gets freed), Revision Zero, Symmetry - pick according to map - since they can just straight up one shot players, ignoring any healing opponents used
Khvostov is the best feeling primary I’ve ever used. Thank goodness bungie didn’t nerf it in PVE, only PVP. This weapon is simply amazing and an orb generating machine. 6000+ kills so far with it.
The problem is Orbs of Power on Demand juicing up the gun. I've beaten plenty of teams using khovostov by itself but when it a warlock using Speakers there's not much I can do.
Main thing I learned from this video is how damn oppressive healing grenades can be
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I like how the same people who dismissed Khvostov in the trailer because "we use abilities to ad clear now" are the same people who won't let it go.
Fallout: "Destiny 2 players really hate this exotic"
Me: "Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down"
It really is busted in PVP though. Soloed to the lighthouse twice last weekend once on mercy card and again on a wealth card. Not 100 percent sure what the secret sauce is with this gun but its stability and ease of use seems to be far better then its stats would suggest. The ricochet isnt really the problem IMO its the fact its a literal lazer beam that even a mediocre player can beam you with.
cool gun but the orb of power cheesing in the beginning of a trials match is unbearable. I am a warlock player myself and got a triple kill with a ricochet and wanted to hurl.
"theres a way to nerf something in pvp without effecting it in pve" i felt that in my young ahamkara spine yearning soul... it was one of my fave pve exotics for the longest time. i really hope bungie doesnt just blanket nerf the weapon like they have in the past, things like this deserve tact otherwise the exotic is just dead in the water in both modes
Still can't get it to drop. I've gone in circles, killing Overthrow bosses for weeks now and still no idea what I'm missing or if the game is bugged. They absolutely need to add someway for players to track what their missing.
I farmed out the boss kills on accident lol just farming for rep to be able to craft the healing rifle and the call, got them craftable day 3 lol a few days later realized how much of the quest for this I did.
I bet that PVP land would have zero complaints if Khavostov was a hand cannon and Speakers Sight was on Hunter
the best counter to this build is clone spam (also a major issue that needs re working) paired with smoke nades, swarm nades, and thorn, all the tick damage is just gonna shut the healing down, freeze builds are also very effective
isn't it also true the other way around? healing shuts down tick damage
@@Exshooter101 if you have enough healing buffs to just out heal, but usually it just stops recovery, unstoppable force, immovable object blah blah
The other annoying thing about it is the free multi target damage it provides. I can't tell you how many times I was in another engagement and got to half health or remained weak because my other solo teammates were getting shot. I don't want the gun to lose that functionality but the richoet damage needs to be toned down in pvp
I’ve hit my 3rd reset on overthrow…. I’m never touching that trash again.
Here since day one D2, I took one look at the quest steps online and said nah, I'll only get it to when there's NOTHING else that needs doing.
All we need is speakers sight to just not throw full healing nades AND khvostov to have a downside for team-shooting… in PvP ONLY
im unable to unlock the gun because i had a full inventory while looting the regional chests. so running into it in trials non stop made it feel even worse.
Shoot to loot should reload and the weapon when shooting orbs
It shoudl also be able to pick up elemental spawns.
Should never nerf a gun in a pve game because of pvp (which is and always has been a secondary mode)bs. Just change the way it works in pvp
**stops your health regen**
the way bungie spits on warlocks, i predict a hard nerf to speaker's sight, not just in pvp, but across the board. my bet: they either turn down the rate at wich the healing spawns orbs to a level where one orb gets spawned at the end of its duration with touch of flame or they are just gonna scrap that part completely
In pve I live what they did with a highly customizable legendary version and a really strong work horse exotic version. Now in pvp I still love it since when D1 exotic khvostov out I was a menace with that thing mind you not top of the leader board menace but if I got in range you could kiss that 20 streak good by and now in D2 I wouldn’t be surprised if an aspect of speakers sight or khvostov gets a nerf but I just hope it’s a pvp lever and not a nerf the whole gun lever
I haven’t had the time to play pvp much at all since TFS dropped, but this seems like a super easy fix, yeah? Just axe the “chance to spawn an orb” clause from Speaker’s Sight in pvp only. Then, it’ll still be super powerful, but maybe it will be a more even duel with RDR.
I thought one of the points would be the annoying ricochet sound effect. When that gun is at its peak add control level the sound effect can be distracting to me and several people I play with.
I get the helmet is kinda too good with all its benefits and synergy with khvostov, but on a longer range map i dont see it being as much of an issue personally. Yes they’re both excellent and can use slight tuning, but i think the close range map this past week only helped amplify it all
Am I the only one who got the overthrow part done pretty easily? Like I just passively did lots of overthrows to grind for ergo sum and ended up getting 8/9 of the motes by thursday. Then when they patched the meatball I immediately got it and did everything else in like…an hour and a half?
It has a very inconsistent ttk valuation. I believe the ricochet damage numbers are sometimes damage glitching, and it’s occurring more frequently due to exotic perk bundling together with team shots. Bungie should temp ban it and do some serious play testing.
lol when you said koolaid man my brain autofilled the sound
If I had to choose which gets neutered in PVE because of PVP my choice is genuinely khvostov, I love my healbot build too much.
Off topic but tbh… I really want to see Sturm get a rework. One of the forgotten exotics. At this point it feels like a legendary I cant even use with an exotic. It has a beautiful bullet/projectile. It has its own unique reload. But it does not, even with drang, make up for having no special.
The speakers sight orb thing is stupid cause i fought a team in duos 2 weeks ago using that with still hunt to get constant golden gun shots and to say it was annoying is an understatement
This thing needs serious adjustment in PvP. No AR should ever outrange pulse rifles or have zero flinch.
I get it. I do. But someone who also plays Halo Infinite, Khvostov isn't that bad. Imagine Vestian Dynasty outgunning a Pulse Rifle or Scout Rifle at range, and being better mid range than Auto Rifles.
You do realise as soon as they nerf this something else will just take its place and will be worse