It's a good question. (And one that comes up a lot) It's not something to be concerned over. Higher voltage from these modules won't hurt the sound studio. With that said, if the input only accepts up to +5v, then when the Doepfer LFO is sending above +5 (i.e. +6, +7, +8...) the value on the Moog will be maxed out. The graph of the modulation would look similar to a trapezoid as opposed to a triangle (the top would be flat above +5). So an attenuator or offset can help put it in the range that the Moog will accept.
Great vid! Ages ago I bought 2x Behringer Neutrons. They sound good anyway, but because of the vast amount of patch points in and out I have ended up using them as modulation sources mostly now. So useful as they have 2vco which can be run at lfo speeds, an lfo which can run at audio rates and they also have 2 attenuators each! You can pick them up quite cheap 2nd hand too. Hope that helps someone! Keep up the great work on the vids. ♥ 🎶 😁 🎹
That’s pretty much the role my Neutron fulfils these days. It’s worth the price just for the utilities it provides alone! You’re basically looking at 3 LFOs, a S&H, Slew Limiter, 2 x Envelopes, 2 attenuators, mult, merge, a multimode filter, overdrive & delay all accessible from the patchbay… Not a bad sounding synth either to boot 👍
I for one am a big believer in using whole semi-modular synths as Eurorack modules. You just cannot beat the price of a self-contained system that was thought out to stand on its own. The Neutron comes to mind immediately, but for those who for some reason avoid Behringer, I believe that a Moog Mavis can be a great all-purpose tool in a Eurorack.
@@EarJuice I haven't really tried it, but I don't think it would be very good at that... But there's always creative paths that lead to unexpected outcomes I guess...
Thanks for another great video. what i didnt quite understand -- where are you taking the effects at the end from? the dfam doesnt have built in effects... and it doesnt look like theres another patch coming except the attn. and the lfo... so im confused?:)
I have external effects on my mixer, but I also use a lot of Plugins for effects. Many effects - whether pedals or modules - are digital, and considering many are at the end of the signal chain, I often will just use Plugins because they are cheaper and you can have multiple instances. I don't remember exactly what I was using here. (I can look it up if you are interested). It's most like Valhalla Vintageverb, maybe some subtle compression and EQ. General stuff.
An even better question is why would any buy one without clock sync! Ha! Looking at my self here... Actually all joking aside - perhaps it makes it cheaper. And if you are doing random generative stuff, it might be totally unnecessary. I guess... Maybe?
Loving all your vids - personally, my favorite source of modulation lately has been ADDAC's Stochastic Function Generator. I love the ability to subtly (or not so subtly!) add a bit of randomness to the rise/fall timing
This is really a great vid. My mind has gone mostly to more complex modules, but now I am definitely thinking of getting a simple LFO and moving my Shades Attenuverter into my Moog Eurorack case. Thanks for putting this together... (BTW, I do find that the random impulsive purchase, usually when something interesting goes on sale, is a great way to inject random creativity.
I have found that I'm really enjoying my simpler - one knob per function - modules much more than more complex ones. I still get them and try them out, but then I slowly lose interest. Doepfer modules are becoming more and more attractive to me.
@@braintree56 I can totally get that. Also the more complicated a module gets, the harder it is to wrap your head how to put in a chain/setup with others to achieve something interesting. This is particularly true when patching with semi-modular gear, since you aren’t starting with a blank slate. Keep the great vids coming!
Right now I am building myself a custom-made 4-voices passive attenuator for my Sound Studio (I plan to integrate it just right into the 30-mm space that lies between the case and the cable holder). After playing with headphone cables with passive volume knobs used as attenuators, I agree that being able to choose the intensity of modulations in the Sound Studio is probably the most important function among those that were overlooked by Moog in their system. It is a game-changing option, for a dirt-cheap investment. Speaking of dirt-cheap investment, I still stay flabbergasted at the price tag of something as basic as an attenuator in the Eurorack world. Even for small one-person company, I find it hard to justify.
@@braintree56 I will wait until it works alright before boasting about it ! 😄 For a passive attenuator, the circuit design itself is quite simple, really : just a matter of measuring what current a typical Cv command sends through the wires and then choosing the right potentiometer to place in-between two female jack plugs. But the more tricky part, maybe, will be to frame it in a proper box or behind a neatly designed plaque so that it integrates seamlessly with the Sound Studio. For I have to admit that beyond its specifications, an important quality of Moog’s semi-modular set is how cool it looks ! I would not want to ruin it with a poorly-executed added circuit. I bought an aluminium extruded profile that should fit just right in the space between the top case and the cable holder. With a black acrylic wash on the metal and the right potentiometers’ knobs, hopefully it will fit as if it was a genuine Moog product. Fingers crossed …
I've been debating getting either that or the MAFD for awhile. Those seem to add an amazing amount of control. The ability to choose which steps of the sequencer are triggered is a total game changer.
Great vid man! One of my favourite DFAM tricks is to send the pitch & velocity outputs to a couple of mults, opens up all manner of delights. One can bring either source back into the DFAM via attenuators or send elsewhere for further processing. I’ve found feeding the pitch output into a quantiser, then into the SubH VCO 1 input to be quite interesting too.
Still debating (if & when) modular. It be great to see what module recommendations (utilities, etc..) you would have to use with the Subharmonicon. Thanks!
That's a really interesting question. I've only recently started playing around with my modules and the Sub. Nothing jumped out to me as "the sub really needs X" so it's more just experimentation. If I had to make a recommendation, I'd say effects modules first. The Sub benefits from reverbs and delays. I ran it through an MI Clouds clone and it was great. The clock divider trick I outlined in a previous video was the only functional thing I've used. Certainly LFOs and other Modulations are always great and I've heard people say running external audio into the VCOs gives some pretty interesting results. But at this point, I have more investigations/experiments I want to do than actual answers...
What about the voltage limit difference between Moog and Eurorack?
It's a good question. (And one that comes up a lot) It's not something to be concerned over. Higher voltage from these modules won't hurt the sound studio. With that said, if the input only accepts up to +5v, then when the Doepfer LFO is sending above +5 (i.e. +6, +7, +8...) the value on the Moog will be maxed out. The graph of the modulation would look similar to a trapezoid as opposed to a triangle (the top would be flat above +5). So an attenuator or offset can help put it in the range that the Moog will accept.
Excellent video really enjoying all that you are producing now as a Moog user. Keep em coming.
Thanks! I will!
Great vid! Ages ago I bought 2x Behringer Neutrons. They sound good anyway, but because of the vast amount of patch points in and out I have ended up using them as modulation sources mostly now. So useful as they have 2vco which can be run at lfo speeds, an lfo which can run at audio rates and they also have 2 attenuators each! You can pick them up quite cheap 2nd hand too. Hope that helps someone! Keep up the great work on the vids. ♥ 🎶 😁 🎹
That’s pretty much the role my Neutron fulfils these days. It’s worth the price just for the utilities it provides alone! You’re basically looking at 3 LFOs, a S&H, Slew Limiter, 2 x Envelopes, 2 attenuators, mult, merge, a multimode filter, overdrive & delay all accessible from the patchbay… Not a bad sounding synth either to boot 👍
Looks like you can get them for under $250 on Reverb... Not a bad deal.
@@braintree56 They’re a silly bargain for what you get… Worth a punt I’d say!
I for one am a big believer in using whole semi-modular synths as Eurorack modules. You just cannot beat the price of a self-contained system that was thought out to stand on its own.
The Neutron comes to mind immediately, but for those who for some reason avoid Behringer, I believe that a Moog Mavis can be a great all-purpose tool in a Eurorack.
Berhinger Edge with new Maths clone and space fx. Good fun.
Yeah, I did a other video with the DFAM and Maths. You should check it out!
Yeah I watched it already. Is the Edge/DFAM any good at being used to trigger Modules like BIA n stuff.
@@EarJuice I haven't really tried it, but I don't think it would be very good at that... But there's always creative paths that lead to unexpected outcomes I guess...
Thanks for another great video. what i didnt quite understand -- where are you taking the effects at the end from? the dfam doesnt have built in effects... and it doesnt look like theres another patch coming except the attn. and the lfo... so im confused?:)
I have external effects on my mixer, but I also use a lot of Plugins for effects. Many effects - whether pedals or modules - are digital, and considering many are at the end of the signal chain, I often will just use Plugins because they are cheaper and you can have multiple instances. I don't remember exactly what I was using here. (I can look it up if you are interested). It's most like Valhalla Vintageverb, maybe some subtle compression and EQ. General stuff.
Why would anyone design an LFO module without a clock sync? The mind boggles
An even better question is why would any buy one without clock sync! Ha! Looking at my self here... Actually all joking aside - perhaps it makes it cheaper. And if you are doing random generative stuff, it might be totally unnecessary. I guess... Maybe?
Loving all your vids - personally, my favorite source of modulation lately has been ADDAC's Stochastic Function Generator. I love the ability to subtly (or not so subtly!) add a bit of randomness to the rise/fall timing
That module looks badass!!! Added to the list of things I'd like to get eventually...
This is really a great vid. My mind has gone mostly to more complex modules, but now I am definitely thinking of getting a simple LFO and moving my Shades Attenuverter into my Moog Eurorack case. Thanks for putting this together... (BTW, I do find that the random impulsive purchase, usually when something interesting goes on sale, is a great way to inject random creativity.
I have found that I'm really enjoying my simpler - one knob per function - modules much more than more complex ones. I still get them and try them out, but then I slowly lose interest. Doepfer modules are becoming more and more attractive to me.
@@braintree56 I can totally get that. Also the more complicated a module gets, the harder it is to wrap your head how to put in a chain/setup with others to achieve something interesting. This is particularly true when patching with semi-modular gear, since you aren’t starting with a blank slate.
Keep the great vids coming!
Right now I am building myself a custom-made 4-voices passive attenuator for my Sound Studio (I plan to integrate it just right into the 30-mm space that lies between the case and the cable holder). After playing with headphone cables with passive volume knobs used as attenuators, I agree that being able to choose the intensity of modulations in the Sound Studio is probably the most important function among those that were overlooked by Moog in their system. It is a game-changing option, for a dirt-cheap investment.
Speaking of dirt-cheap investment, I still stay flabbergasted at the price tag of something as basic as an attenuator in the Eurorack world. Even for small one-person company, I find it hard to justify.
Yeah, it's a pretty expensive endeavor. That's awesome that you have the skills to DIY it though!
@@braintree56 I will wait until it works alright before boasting about it ! 😄
For a passive attenuator, the circuit design itself is quite simple, really : just a matter of measuring what current a typical Cv command sends through the wires and then choosing the right potentiometer to place in-between two female jack plugs.
But the more tricky part, maybe, will be to frame it in a proper box or behind a neatly designed plaque so that it integrates seamlessly with the Sound Studio. For I have to admit that beyond its specifications, an important quality of Moog’s semi-modular set is how cool it looks ! I would not want to ruin it with a poorly-executed added circuit.
I bought an aluminium extruded profile that should fit just right in the space between the top case and the cable holder. With a black acrylic wash on the metal and the right potentiometers’ knobs, hopefully it will fit as if it was a genuine Moog product.
Fingers crossed …
Nice. DFAM Thing has been the best addition to my DFAM so far. Really adds a lot!
I've been debating getting either that or the MAFD for awhile. Those seem to add an amazing amount of control. The ability to choose which steps of the sequencer are triggered is a total game changer.
@@braintree56 A friend of mine has a MAFD and he can’t recommend it highly enough!
Cre8audio Function Junction is a great option for adding utilities and modulation to the Sound Studio.
Oh yeah! I've never played with that, but I've heard it's very similar to Maths (but 2/3 the cost). Seems great.
This is the second one of your videos I’ve watched and the second one that starts out with how you didn’t listen to others’ advice. lol
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Love your tutorials I now understand a alternator
Awesome!
Great vid man! One of my favourite DFAM tricks is to send the pitch & velocity outputs to a couple of mults, opens up all manner of delights. One can bring either source back into the DFAM via attenuators or send elsewhere for further processing. I’ve found feeding the pitch output into a quantiser, then into the SubH VCO 1 input to be quite interesting too.
I'm going to have to try that! Thanks for the tip!
Still debating (if & when) modular. It be great to see what module recommendations (utilities, etc..) you would have to use with the Subharmonicon. Thanks!
That's a really interesting question. I've only recently started playing around with my modules and the Sub. Nothing jumped out to me as "the sub really needs X" so it's more just experimentation.
If I had to make a recommendation, I'd say effects modules first. The Sub benefits from reverbs and delays. I ran it through an MI Clouds clone and it was great.
The clock divider trick I outlined in a previous video was the only functional thing I've used. Certainly LFOs and other Modulations are always great and I've heard people say running external audio into the VCOs gives some pretty interesting results.
But at this point, I have more investigations/experiments I want to do than actual answers...
It sounds pretty good on its own or with limited mm modulations...
Great collection of videos. Thank you for your effort.
Glad you like them! More on the way!
Gracias, good one
De nada! :)