The best point you made is the impact that turning off stabilization makes on a pilot's progress and desire to improve. Watching my raw, unstabilized footage was such a huge turning point for me. It forced me to improve my building, tuning, and flying skills in order to achieve desirable outcomes. If you care about freestyle, in any capacity, then you have a desire to get better. The competition is with yourself. You're cheating yourself. It doesn't matter what other's think. What matters is your own progress and improvement and how you internalize that. If you fly FPV and you think building and tuning aren't as important as flying then you are mediocre at best. That's not compared to the rest of the world, that's when compared to your own personal potential.
Really excellent points man and I totally agree. What others feel aside, it is cheating yourself and turning it off is a great way to improve, especially if you take freestyle seriously. Btw, I really like your flying 🙌
Not sure about this debate, mostly because I find sbang freestyle unwatchable, regardless of pilot skill or smoothness. I just don’t enjoy the style. I really try to like it, but anything that makes me dizzy or nauseous is just not fun. I think the main reason this debate exists is the audience for these style videos is exclusively other FPV pilots who fly or want to fly that style. It’s a skill showcase and that’s why this seems like cheating in the context for you. That’s why it’s not cheating for cinematic, because that genre is more about finding camera angles and scenes for viewer enjoyment or sales. It’s about purpose and function of the video that determines if it is cheating, it seems.
Yeah for sure, if it's for cinematic purposes, chasing an object or for telling a story the stabilisation is definitely needed. I was only talking about freestyle. But not just sbang.
I think it Is a matter of using stabilization for any kind of freestyle..i just looks bad, unnatural and as cheating. Freestyle should be flown without any stabilization. It s jjust better that way, fhan to lie to yourself and others. And watching stabilized freestyle is really hard. As for sbang, it is one of freestyle styles, and a matter of personal taste. But stab in fs is not a matter of pesonal taste. It is a kind of fpv sin
I also think using PIDs is cheating. There is a way to fly quad without PIDs, where your sticks are directly motor outputs. This will make us even better pilots :)
On one hand, you have pilots who are all about pushing the drone to its limits with complex tricks in challenging settings like bandos. This style emphasizes the pilot's skill and the raw, thrilling experience of navigating tough obstacles. On the other hand, some pilots focus more on the cinematic aspect, using their drones to capture and tell stories through beautiful, smooth footage of stunning places. Each style has its own appeal and serves different purposes-whether it's showcasing aerial acrobatics or creating visually captivating content. It all boils down to personal preference and the goals one has for their flying experience.
Great video Patrick ❤ Freestyle no stab ftw. Freestyle raw because its about the flying skills. And you will see your own faults when you watch your own footage... Cinematic stabilized if needed. But for example i like raw drift footage too :)
For sure dude, agree! Also I love that raw look with drift footage, adds to the excitement and adrenaline although I wouldn't consider that cheating to use stab when chasing cars. But yeah flying without stab definitely helps you to see all of your own faults, I constantly criticise myself when I look at my footage 😂
Love the banter on this one. Try not to take it too seriously, Patrick is just stimulating some healthy debate on this classic topic. ;) For me - if you take freestyle seriously and you upload videos to demonstrate your skill, it is kind of cheating to use a smoothing algo. However a lot of people don't take freestyle so seriously as a hardcore pilot and in fact freestyle just means you are free to fly as you like. In that case it's just fun and you want to output to look good. In that case smoothing is a short cut to learning to fly smooth, in order to make a more pleasant video experience for others. So it's not really cheating in that case. For me I don't care if someones video has some shaky moments - I want to see the real authentic pilot - and watch them develop their skill. Thats what the hobby is about - learning and improving - and sharing that journey with others. For those who do use smoothing I'd say - give it a go without - I don't care personally if its shaky - I wanna see you fly - not the algo in gyroflow.
This whole notion of « cheating » when you are not even in a competition doesn’t make any sense. So unless someone is specifically saying that he’s not using stabilization while using it, I’m not bothered at all. I agree that getting good footage without stabilization is way more difficult and requires way more skills from the pilot but I could argue that back in the day getting good footage with a quad controlled by a KK2 flight controller required more skills and today’s pilots with their flight controllers running the latest version of betaflight are cheating. So where does it end? Who makes the rules? Why this set of rules and not others? Because no matter what you do, there will always be someone somewhere who claims you are cheating just because you are doing something different than what he does.
I couldn't agree more. Stabilisation isn't gonna help you shoot tighter gaps or pull out tricks you otherwise couldn't, so if stabilising is cheating, why don't we all fly with our ESCs connected directly to our receiver PWM ports and have the mixers setup on our radios? Also, why isn't buying the best gear (or even worse, getting it for free) considered cheating, if it's basically pay-to-win? And it's called FREEstyle.........
You sure freestyle isn't a competition? 😁 It surely depends on the person you are. I'm not really competetive in nature, but even then I for sure am comparing myself to others and see where I land skill wise - wanting to improve because of that.
@@prottentogoPeople can compare themselves to others all day long if they want. The problem is saying they are « cheating » because they don’t use the same rules as you. By saying a person cheats you assume dishonesty and deception on their part. You also assume that the person is posting a video with the intention of showing that they are better than you. All of this is in your head, it has nothing to do with the other person. It’s like those guys in modified Honda civic racing Porsche drivers at a random red light where the Porsche driver is minding his own business and has no idea that the dummy next to him is trying to race.
@@Pintosonic Well fuck, you're right. Intention is something nobody can tell and is kinda essential for cheating. We need a different word to label people who chea... I mean have their own rules. 😁
I don’t stabilize. But I also don’t care if people do. The pilot has to give me a reason to keep watching. Plenty of shit pilots on both sides of that spectrum. The one time HS does make me click off is when they have their GoPro mount in view and it’s constantly poking in and out of the frame.
Very true man. I do watch and enjoy plenty of freestyle pilots who use hypersmooth. There are some amazingly talented pilots who fly with stab. I personally prefer the more raw look of non stabilised footage simply because the dampened and over-smoothed video somehow takes the adrenaline away. But agree about the moving mount issue too. Anyway, thanks for the comment. I really love your flying btw!
Go fly 3D helis like we did in the 90s with a mechanical gyro then tell me who's cheating with a new style flight controller. It's all in the perspective I guess.
I just started flying without stabilization enough people talked me into it! I’m actually really happy with my flying without stabilization and it’s only gonna get better 🤘🏻
But you know how Hypersmooth pilots keep quiet about their footage 🤫🤫 NoStab pilots must LET YOU KNOW the footage isn’t stabilised #nostab #nostab #nohypersmooth #nogyroflow 😜 I hate both btw. Gimbals all the way baybehhhh
That all depends of what you want to show... I notice that competitive people tend to complain more about stabilization. Because in their mind they are flying to show of their skills. But not everybody have that mind set. Some want the best footage as possible, because they fly to create a nice footage.
I agree with this as it's pretty obvious me and Patrick are both competitive but "the best footage possible" is the part that gets me. Hypersmooth or any stabilization looks so unnatural it may as well be CGI imo. And it's freestyle. The point is to show off your skills, wich you aren't doing with stab on.
@@austinspired The way I understand freestyle is, FREE STYLE, we are FREE to do what ever STYLE we want. You see the competition because that is how you are, and that is ok, it is your form of style freedom. But you need to understand that it isn't the truth to everybody.
I totally relate to the part from 7:25. When i started i used to stabilize everything (with the avata), as soon as i tried with a 5 inch i thought "wow, i suck hard, i must do something" and here i am, with the obsession of clean freestyle flights (a bit too much 😂) and with people still doubting..like you said, PRACTICE. Great video Patrick, and great flight. That new skill is so cool tho 🤘🏻🖤
Yeah man it’s hard when you first start. For sure. And it sucks to see how bad you sick when you watch your footage back 😂 but yes we must practice to improve and not take shortcuts 🤘
Completely relate here , when i first started my footage was terrible. But thankfully i got help on tuning and then practiced constantly for a full year. 8 packs a day , fly all weekend , hit the sim , try new tricks over and over and over. And now i can look at my footage and be content for the most part.
By this logic ELRS is cheating because you can still do long range with FRsky if you configure your gear correctly. HDzero is cheating because you can still fly gaps with analog. If you chose to see this as a competition and not just a hobby, then its definitely falls under the category of motorsport where the best engineer/operator "wins". Just embrace new tech. Super smooth flying fpv pilots lost their competitive "advantage" when stabilization tech got better, so just learn new tricks and enjoy not having to be so picky with your gear. But why make it a competition anyways?
huh that's not really the equivalent as those items are needed for nice flight characteristics of the drone itself, not stabilizing footage. I get where you're going with it but that statement doesn't apply.
@@austinspired the whole point is to not use any type of smoothing software, betaflight is software and it smooths out your drone flight, the same way gyroflow/hypersmooth/stabilization software fixes shakey footage. I'm asking for no stab!
One of my favorite reasons to film without stabilization is that, depending on the camera, if I WANT to add it later in post for whatever reason I can....but often prefer the raw video and only ever apply lens correction, and with things like gyroflow if I want to take some shake out I can apply a very very small smidge of stabilization :) but IMO once you go too far it's just almost fake looking, and takes away that grit of freestyle
100% agree with you bro. I believe pilots who dont run it are elite, because we truly know all our flaws and are 100% aware of our ability in control. So many butt hurt people in here but if they could fly smooth without it they would. It just looks so much better.
I can see it from both points of view however IMO Stabalization is just tech, just like running digital or running any other of the advancements that have come out over the last few years.
valid points, i do agree with the notion "git gud" instead of stabilizing your footage. i did in the beginning and after i turned it off i just realized how awful i was after all. great video, might be a bit controversial in the fpv space but im here for the drama that might follow🍿
Lots of drama on Facebook when I posted the link up 😂 anyway yeah thanks man. I think we should all learn to embrace the shaky footage ans ditch the stab altogether haha
Dude, amazing advice and piloting! Can you explain your flight cam angle and action cam angle? I just built a 5" freestyle that works great but I need stick time. I want to work up to your level! Please explain a good angle I should practice at for freestyle tysm!
Hey man. Thanks. Appreciate it. I fly at 30 degrees (same on action cam and FPV cam). When I started I was at 15 degrees. I think it’s a good starting point which doesn’t make you go too fast. When I had more experience I put it up to 25 which is a very common angle. Now I’m at 30
I can't tune bro and not all presets work trust me. I have got all the top frames even my AOS-5 V5 on Chris Rossers preset tune doesn't work and I'm also using his outrageously expensive motors. I built it 4 months ago and have never really flown it cause it flies so bad. I found a company in the UK that not only sells excellent frames and equipment he also sends a tune with his frames. So I'm all in and switching all my 14x 5inch and 3.5inch quads to Supafly fpv frames maybe you heard of them lol. Mr Steve is even building me a Syncmode Dji03 elrs as we speak. I know when I get my SUPAFLY SYNCMODE I won't need Stabilisation. Great video 1st time I've watched. Thanks bro.
I just hate using and seeing any kind of stabilization in freestyle videos. I love it in cinematic, and similar, when actually used for a right purpose. I dont consider it cheating... It is just annoying to watch freestyle with unnaturally dampened moves. However, I dont care how other people fly. Do what you want and leave others do what they want. You are a fantastic pilot and content creator. Keep it up, man. I remember i used hypersmooth on my first gopro, 7 black. When i just started. When i didnt use it once, noticed so many things wrong with quad and flying. So ditching stabilization was the best think i did in my FPV. And i dont care if someone is smooth pilot, or not, as long as I enjoy the video.
Am I crazy, or is the opening clip of you flying have 2-3% stabilization? You can clearly see the tpu shifting in the camera frame. It's not a loose camera as you have zero jello in the video.
😂😂😂. It’s definitely not stabilised I assure you. I think I would be the ultimate troll to make a video about stabilisation whilst stabilising my footage, imagine that 😂😂
it must be light that is reflecting weirdly. just today I had the same effect on my footage and I thought I had accidentally turned stab on, but it wasn't.
I stopped running a GoPro/HD cam altogether and only have my Walksnail DVR footage and it's made my FPV quality of life 10x better. I have more fun when I can just fly vs. when I've got a stick up my ass about getting the perfect line or leaving a spot with good footage. Added bonus of way more flight time, not as much at stake in a crash, and less gear to worry about. Brings me back to why I got in this hobby in the first place, to fly quads!
This is a great video and insight. Glad you gave a good explanation. I wouldn’t say im hard core freestyle but I may just try to fly without stabilisation and see how good I am. Might make a response video. Nice flying!
Personally, i dont really care all thst much about the whole stabilization thing. Mostly because im not a good pilot yet. I don't think anything could hide my errors. I do like hearing others opinions on it though. Really though BIG SHOUT OUT to the Supafly tune. It makes my quads fly amazing. Use it for 3.5 as well. That tune is just so good.
meh I don't really care either way. I don't normally use it, just because I want a bigger frame, and I appreciate the look without stabilization. I would definitely use it if I was shooting footage for something important though. It's kind of like modern automatic transmission. I prefer the manual, it's definitely cooler, and takes more skill and practice, but if at the end of the day all you care about is results you should use the auto. I guess another thing to think about is audience. If I'm making a video just for myself, or for other fpv pilots to enjoy, I'm definitely not going to use stabilization. But if the intended audience is a non fpv crowd (for a movie, b roll for an unrelated video etc) then you really should be using stabilization to ensure your footage looks the best.
Yes but the point is that at the end of the day, flying smooth is also a skill. If you are going to use a tool to smooth over your corrections then is it because you’re trying to hide your mistakes? I’m not talking about tricks.
@@keFPV94 That's very true! And I do enjoy watching plenty of pilots who use stabilisation too. Like you say, you can tell whether or not they have skills regardless of the stabilisation
I agree with this, as a new pilot to this game i stop using stab cos i want to put more flytime to get smooth without stab, and i also feel like freestyle without ACTION CAM, kinda like cheating. Cos there is nothing to worry abt and less pressure. Just my opinion 👌
Yeah bro it will definitely help you to improve to become smoother. But personally I don't agree with that. The reason why is because I feel the opportunity to get much better looking footage for me is by using an action camera. Also some people prefer heavier quads as the momentum helps with their style of flying. So for me, not using an action camera is actually a disadvantage. But I understand your opinion 👍
@@fpvwithpatrick also want more thing i think we both agree.. the sounds when flying 😂😂 I always satisfy to hear that, when the motor and props screaming 👌
Not a single video up on my channel is stabilized, and I plan to keep it that way. Also, no cuts at all, every single flight session I do is one take. Now, I am not the best pilot out there, but in my defence I started just a year+ ago. I enjoy simple flying, not too many tricks, and I'm fine. I do wish I found FPV a lot sooner, than in my late 40s. But building custom drones, designing TPUs, tweaking, updating, configuring, is something that makes me so happy. I use Gyroflow only to iron out the horizon and dynamically stretch 4:3 footage into 16:9, no stabilization at all, ever.
Stigma. Great. As someone who only recently became able to afford to have fresh gear on my quad to have smooth flights every time this kinda sucks. The condescending jerks who use the #nostab "badge of honor" to trash me and others in the comment don't need to be emboldened. There's nothing "deep down" about knowing that stabilization gives you an advantage. It's a handicap, not "cheating" and being called a cheater over it paints me as like..... A slimy culture ruiner when all I'm doing is trying to be a part of something that I love without having to spend all of my time and money being as perfect as you. And it's not that I don't want to try. I recently made a big deal about turning my stabilization off. But it's because I'm now in a position where I can afford to focus on smoothing my tune/build/skills out. Where I couldn't before. Because I was sick and poor and working my ass off. And now according to your video I "deep down know I'm a cheater" Love you bro. Check your privilege. 👍
I can see that I have deeply offended you and I really didn’t want it to come across this way. I did mention in the video that if it’s because of money then that’s fair enough. But then made some counter arguments. I’ve been through periods in the past where I’ve been barely scraping through yet somehow managing to afford to stay in the hobby. Buying cheaper gear, re-using props, buying second hand or accepting hand me downs. And it sucks. It sucks hard. Watching others get out there pushing their gear to the limits without fear of breaking shit or buying the newest stuff. I flew analog forever when everyone else was flying digital. My picture was shite, my VTXs were so messed up and battered, I had no range. I even remember I had a frame that was so beaten and bashed but couldn’t afford to change it at one point. The vibrations and prop wash was absolutely horrendous. I remember the arms would move so much and no matter how tight they were they still would wiggle. I was jealous of all those around me who had better gear. Anyway, I’m sorry to hear that you’ve been dealing with money issues and I have been following your health journey a little online when you’ve posted about it. I know it has been hard for you bro. And I totally get everything you’re saying. But when you speak of my ‘privilege’, I don’t see myself as having any. I worked hard throughout all of that and luckily now I have sponsors who can support me and allow me to stay in the air. I am sure you’re more than good enough to get sponsors. And from the videos I’ve watched of yours, you’re more than good enough to fly without stabilisation. And if my video offended you I apologise and hope we can still be friends
@@fpvwithpatrick ofc were still friends, and I thank you for letting me offer my descent without treating it as a bridge burning. I hadn't had my coffee when I wrote it and while I mean everything I said I wish I wasn't as pointy. I wouldn't say I'm deeply offended I just think that labeling everyone that uses stab as a "cheater" is extreme, and introduces discriminatory language into an area of FPV where I wish that it wasn't. I'm imagining a young kid getting into the hobby, wants to make videos, checks out what's on UA-cam sees your video and puts it down because he can't make anything that isn't "cheating." I don't like going to the end of the earth in imaginary scenarios to justify my points but things like this are a big deal to the hobbies potential members and I think they should be allowed to explore the space without there being stigma. Good on those people that can take those labels and ignore them but not everyone can and those people deserve to be included or at the very least not put in the cheater stigma box. As far as you not having privilege tho, I say au contraire, your sponsors and everything that you've worked hard for, the time and resources that you're able to put into this craft are privileges that you've earned. i.e. I feel very privileged for the sponsors I do have. I just think that if you acknowledged them from the side of privilege that is 'having something that other people do not,' you might see my argument as to why it should be okay to post stab video if it means you get to be a part of the community and make something that otherwise would not be made. I think of it in the same way as auto tune. Is it better when people don't use it? Yes. Do more people who wouldn't have been able to make anything at all have a higher potential? Yes. Does it lower the common denominator? Yes. Are less amazing things being made overall? No. More people being involved doesn't lower the ceiling. It actually raises it. Idk I'm rambling. Tell me what you think ✌️✌️✌️
@@BadLuckFPV Yeah I think cheating is maybe too harsh of a word and I think that has triggered many people. The last thing I want is for newbies to the hobby to feel discouraged by my video. I am all inclusive and I welcome all newcomers to the hobby. I should have made it clear that this video is really only for the pilots who push hard in freestyle and make it a part of their lives. Not the casual pilots, or the newcomers or the ones who don't really care and just do it for fun. Well I do it for fun too 😂 but I also take it seriously I suppose! But I totally get what you mean about the privilege part. But at the same time, if I worked hard to get where I am (not saying I'm anywhere high up 😂) and earn some sponsors then anyone else can too. The opportunity is there and it starts by turning off stabilisation and embracing the wobbles 😆 seriously though, I can see many arguments for and against it. But I think if you're one of the top level pilots and you are still using it to assist you with your ability to fly smooth, this is an unfair advantage over those who are not using it. Anyway, thanks for commenting. I love the comparison to autotune. I would consider that cheating too haha 😂
i mounted my cam on the rear of my quad that makes the footage look more stable cause the quad isnt moving in relation to the cam and the eye has a stable point to rest on i love it i build the quad why wouldnt i want to see a bit of quad in my freestyle flight :D
You mean third person view freestyle? Yeah I’ve always thought that looks cool. But the camera hanging off the back changes the COG so I assume it doesn’t handle so well?
@@fpvwithpatrick i like to call it "3PV" ^^ i dont feel the cam in the back but thats because it still sits on the top plate i did it on my 3.5inch where the lipo is mounted on the bottom and i use a runcam thumb pro so the weight isnt noticable you only see the front motors and a bit of the fpv cam mount its not dominating the picture and if you dont conentrate on it you dont notice it to much check out some of my last vids i think i got a thumbnail with a early version of the mount in one of them still tinkering with it cause i want it to be more in line and even futher back :D
Fortunately for the rest of us and unfortunately for you, nobody really cares about stabilization anymore. Infact try to get any work with your “well tuned quad” and no stab.
Judging from the comments it seems like a lot of people seem to care. But I’m not talking about cinematic or anything to do with FPV work or jobs. I encourage you to use stabilisation in that case for sure 👍
Love it Patrick I don’t watch many UA-cam videos but I felt entertained the whole time 👏 great stuff! I remember when the hero 7 was released, the hyper smooth was mind blowing and the main reason I loved it was being able to fly with battered props 😂 but that was a long time ago and I have been firm nostab for freestyle for nearly 4 years now,, but idgaf what people do tbh…. Get out and fly Mad combo btw! I hope you get it soon 😀
Well said ❤ and the amount of comments here, arguing with that only shows how many of the pilots out there are just doing this shit without any remorse haha. Truth hurts 😂
Looking forward to ya nailing this new trick, looks insane. Your gonna get it for sure always pushing ya self hard to achieve all the tricks you do Good work 👍
I agree with you, but after watching freestyle videos 4 years almost every single day I stopped watching them along time ago as in those years I have seen pretty much everything and it became boring. Even your video I skipped almost all the freestyle montage. My point being, i really don't care what other people do, stabilized or not, only time i'll ever watch another freestyle video is from my friends or an epic location
I can relate to that. Freestyle has definitely become harder to watch over the years and now many pilots look the same and even aim for the same goals. I'm sure your friends are happy to have your support though.
Flying over rapeseed with stabilisation is fine but only if you’re telling a story about the origins of rapeseed and the farming industry 🤪 and yeah I really need to sort out my antennas 😂
i really dont get it. Shaky and uneven footage looks cool, personaly i hate the smooth shit. I mean, racebikes shake and everyone thinks they are cool, why not drones
i think raw vidio can help us improve our flying skills，But when we just want to showcase flight videos in stages rather than flight techniques, sharing some videos with self stabilization assistance is not that bad maybe ：）Perhaps, just don't use stabilization to show off your flying skills, this is the real cheating
No stab pilots are the vegans of FPV - you know they don't use stabilization because they love to tell you about it. Also, they're all way better than I'll ever be! lol
Totally agree never freestyle stab,better show your mistakes and your non good skills that cheating with stab....🙌🙌🙌anyway amaizing combo trick 🔥🔥🔥 seeing it it s normal you need a super ultra reforced antenna tpu mount😂,great video and #nostab forever 💪
Hey Patrick! I got bashed for creating a video before and advising not to stabilize in a very friendly manner so many times. :( I totally agree with you, no to stabilization and I never stabilize my freestyle. I only stabilize my cruising using whoops videos.
Hey man. That’s great. I think not using a stabilisation is a great way to progress and to learn to be smoother as you can see more clearly what you have to work on. Thanks for stopping by 🙏
@fpvwithpatrick lol. Right. I fly for virtualntours real estate and i did a poll on FB and 80% said turn slowly. Lol. Even with my handheld gimbal they said the same. Maybe they just aren't look forward like we do. Idk.
@@yakitoriPBhaha yes I think any fast movements or turns can be too much for many people. Plus if it’s for cinematic purposes then I guess the slower the better so you can see the subject of the video better
One thing I noticed that helped me be smoother on the sticks was using small gimbals on my Sim radio which are stupidly twitchy, now when I move back to my flight radio with full size gimbals, everything is much smoother. I still cheat but importantly I'm honest about it and tell people that I use Gyroflow (and how much). I'm getting to the point where I'm lowering the smoothing amount with the utlimate aim of going full time #nostab.
Stabilized freestyle honestly just looks bad most of the time, it's all about those hard locks and snappy flicks. Stabilized just makes it all look soft and mushy.
😂 yes it's the first Sunday of every month, no including October or December when you will find it on the second Sunday of the month. Oh and during a leap year everything is backwards and it's the last Sunday of every month
I've been saying this for years. Plus these kids have no idea how hard it was to build a 6" not to mention a 7" before hypersmooth was a thing because your tune had to be PERFECT to get any usable video.
Yeah man totally get that. I have only been in the hobby since 2019, I can't imagine the struggle before that to get smooth footage. I bet it was a fun challenge though!
The only time I think its ok to use stabilization is when your being paid to produce footage for a client . If your lucky enough to get that gig then you'll want to give them the very best that you can. As for going out and giving it a rip I cannot support the use of that feature. I feel a real FPV pilot will show raw footage with shakes,mistakes and crashes. Otherwise your just posturing.
@@fpvwithpatrick oldguyFPV; Every time I use stabilization, I feel like I'm cheating on my wife! I suck at freestyle, but what you see is what you get!
I prefer to see unstabalized footage for freestyle as it portrays your stick demeaner and style. I imagine if I was watching someone's YT videos all the time and then showed up in person I would want to feel on the same page watching through direct goggle feed.
Yeah that's a good point man. I think also stabilised footage hides all those nuances of style which I love seeing whether it's in the goggles or in a video
@@fpvwithpatrick ok i was travelling 2023/24 spend most time in Philippines Cebu /Palawan, in Manila got to meet HEADMAZTA FPV ... and some time in Bangkok, DaNANG Vietnam and south KL Malaysia ... flown everywhere, no permit .... really glad i found your channel ,
i fly no stab on my practice rig. only hypersmooth when im making a movie. using stabilization on freestyle is cheating. i noticed when brand new pilots had more flow. until you see their RAW footage.
You film in 30fps (or less) with super slow shutter speed that blurs pretty much everything using a heavy quad. And you probably use airmode, rc smoothing, iterm and what not. But at video stabilization you draw the line and basically insult others for using one more thing to stabilize the video than you do? Everyone has a different taste and it's fine and doesn't have to make sense what you like and don't like. But I personally really dislike elitist gatekeeping. Btw. stabilization does not remove jello or blur. If the image is blurry, using a different part of the image will not make it less blurry.
Thanks for the comment bro. And you are 100% correct, I do use all of these methods to help smooth my footage. Well apart from rc smoothing and iterm, I just leave all that at default I guess 🤷♂ and I would consider my quad an average weight at 750g???? But the camera settings are important, agree. I didn't want the video to come across as elitist gatekeeping, I hate that myself. I had already planned to make a follow up video about camera settings to help make your footage look smoother. Is that cheating? Maybe I am a cheater also. But it takes a certain knowledge to know how to properly set up your camera, the same as how it might take knowledge to tune a quad. I'm not sure what effect using ultra wide has, but maybe that helps too. Either way, I was hoping this video would encourage discussion and it has done just that. The thing that I am trying to highlight is that flying smooth is a skill in itself and therefore pressing a button to magically make you a 'better' pilot is kinda suss in my opinion. Anyway, thanks for stopping by. I really appreciate all comments an opinions. Btw, stabilisation definitely removes jello. Have you ever flown with bent props with and without stab? There is a huge difference.
Yes I personally would always stabilise my cinematic footage. Whatever works to get the smoothest and best looking footage. Freestyle is different obviously which is more skill based
yeah, for freestyle it's cheating. not even a question. 😁 you can also get yourself really ramped up about it. for some time I even thought using heavy nd and ultra-wide/hyperview instead of the regular superview was cheating a bit, because it also masks things. but looking back that's too much, obviously. besides, I feel like the amount of freestyle pilots using it has went down over the vears.
I remember you always commenting on the Freestyle Kingz Instagram whenever something was stabilised 😂 I agree about ultra wide too. It also makes everything look faster which made me jealous when I was using a Runcam Orange and couldn't afford an Action 2 😂 I used to think how it wasn't fair haha
@@fpvwithpatrick Haha, right. I was quite vocal about it, also on facebook when that was a thing. 😄 The ultrawide makes things appear faster, but also helps reducing shaky flight (just like when you're on a tele lens and you have to be more careful vs. with a wideangle -- exaggerated of course). But again... today I wouldn't go so far to say it's cheating like hypersmooth is. 🤐
The best point you made is the impact that turning off stabilization makes on a pilot's progress and desire to improve.
Watching my raw, unstabilized footage was such a huge turning point for me. It forced me to improve my building, tuning, and flying skills in order to achieve desirable outcomes.
If you care about freestyle, in any capacity, then you have a desire to get better. The competition is with yourself. You're cheating yourself. It doesn't matter what other's think. What matters is your own progress and improvement and how you internalize that.
If you fly FPV and you think building and tuning aren't as important as flying then you are mediocre at best. That's not compared to the rest of the world, that's when compared to your own personal potential.
Really excellent points man and I totally agree. What others feel aside, it is cheating yourself and turning it off is a great way to improve, especially if you take freestyle seriously. Btw, I really like your flying 🙌
Well said.
Love you both
Not sure about this debate, mostly because I find sbang freestyle unwatchable, regardless of pilot skill or smoothness. I just don’t enjoy the style. I really try to like it, but anything that makes me dizzy or nauseous is just not fun. I think the main reason this debate exists is the audience for these style videos is exclusively other FPV pilots who fly or want to fly that style. It’s a skill showcase and that’s why this seems like cheating in the context for you. That’s why it’s not cheating for cinematic, because that genre is more about finding camera angles and scenes for viewer enjoyment or sales. It’s about purpose and function of the video that determines if it is cheating, it seems.
Agreed. It's fun as the pilot to fly, but not for watching
Yeah for sure, if it's for cinematic purposes, chasing an object or for telling a story the stabilisation is definitely needed. I was only talking about freestyle. But not just sbang.
I think it Is a matter of using stabilization for any kind of freestyle..i just looks bad, unnatural and as cheating. Freestyle should be flown without any stabilization. It s jjust better that way, fhan to lie to yourself and others. And watching stabilized freestyle is really hard. As for sbang, it is one of freestyle styles, and a matter of personal taste. But stab in fs is not a matter of pesonal taste. It is a kind of fpv sin
I also think using PIDs is cheating. There is a way to fly quad without PIDs, where your sticks are directly motor outputs. This will make us even better pilots :)
I think after reading through many of the comments on here I realise that stabilisation aside, we all cheat in many other ways too 😂
So is flying Kiss Ultra
@@lionelttl having fingers is cheating
@@lionelttl some could say that flying Kiss on the track is the opposite :)
On one hand, you have pilots who are all about pushing the drone to its limits with complex tricks in challenging settings like bandos. This style emphasizes the pilot's skill and the raw, thrilling experience of navigating tough obstacles. On the other hand, some pilots focus more on the cinematic aspect, using their drones to capture and tell stories through beautiful, smooth footage of stunning places. Each style has its own appeal and serves different purposes-whether it's showcasing aerial acrobatics or creating visually captivating content. It all boils down to personal preference and the goals one has for their flying experience.
Sure. Totally agree. For cinematic purposes stabilisation should always be used. Without doubt!
2018 called, they want their debate back.
Can you tell them I want my hairline back too 😂
Great video Patrick ❤
Freestyle no stab ftw. Freestyle raw because its about the flying skills. And you will see your own faults when you watch your own footage... Cinematic stabilized if needed. But for example i like raw drift footage too :)
Yep Martin, same here. Definitely a "NO-NO" stab on freestyle.
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For sure dude, agree! Also I love that raw look with drift footage, adds to the excitement and adrenaline although I wouldn't consider that cheating to use stab when chasing cars. But yeah flying without stab definitely helps you to see all of your own faults, I constantly criticise myself when I look at my footage 😂
Love the banter on this one. Try not to take it too seriously, Patrick is just stimulating some healthy debate on this classic topic. ;)
For me - if you take freestyle seriously and you upload videos to demonstrate your skill, it is kind of cheating to use a smoothing algo. However a lot of people don't take freestyle so seriously as a hardcore pilot and in fact freestyle just means you are free to fly as you like. In that case it's just fun and you want to output to look good. In that case smoothing is a short cut to learning to fly smooth, in order to make a more pleasant video experience for others. So it's not really cheating in that case.
For me I don't care if someones video has some shaky moments - I want to see the real authentic pilot - and watch them develop their skill. Thats what the hobby is about - learning and improving - and sharing that journey with others. For those who do use smoothing I'd say - give it a go without - I don't care personally if its shaky - I wanna see you fly - not the algo in gyroflow.
The second paragraph really nails it. Couldn't have said it better.
This whole notion of « cheating » when you are not even in a competition doesn’t make any sense. So unless someone is specifically saying that he’s not using stabilization while using it, I’m not bothered at all. I agree that getting good footage without stabilization is way more difficult and requires way more skills from the pilot but I could argue that back in the day getting good footage with a quad controlled by a KK2 flight controller required more skills and today’s pilots with their flight controllers running the latest version of betaflight are cheating. So where does it end? Who makes the rules? Why this set of rules and not others? Because no matter what you do, there will always be someone somewhere who claims you are cheating just because you are doing something different than what he does.
I couldn't agree more. Stabilisation isn't gonna help you shoot tighter gaps or pull out tricks you otherwise couldn't, so if stabilising is cheating, why don't we all fly with our ESCs connected directly to our receiver PWM ports and have the mixers setup on our radios?
Also, why isn't buying the best gear (or even worse, getting it for free) considered cheating, if it's basically pay-to-win?
And it's called FREEstyle.........
Good points! And well made. Lots of things to consider for sure 🙏
You sure freestyle isn't a competition? 😁 It surely depends on the person you are. I'm not really competetive in nature, but even then I for sure am comparing myself to others and see where I land skill wise - wanting to improve because of that.
@@prottentogoPeople can compare themselves to others all day long if they want. The problem is saying they are « cheating » because they don’t use the same rules as you. By saying a person cheats you assume dishonesty and deception on their part. You also assume that the person is posting a video with the intention of showing that they are better than you. All of this is in your head, it has nothing to do with the other person. It’s like those guys in modified Honda civic racing Porsche drivers at a random red light where the Porsche driver is minding his own business and has no idea that the dummy next to him is trying to race.
@@Pintosonic Well fuck, you're right. Intention is something nobody can tell and is kinda essential for cheating. We need a different word to label people who chea... I mean have their own rules. 😁
Turning off stab actually helped me more than having it on. Helped me really tune in my build aswell. Good video!
Thanks dude! I agree with all your points. Definitely helps you to become a better pilot.
I don’t stabilize. But I also don’t care if people do. The pilot has to give me a reason to keep watching. Plenty of shit pilots on both sides of that spectrum.
The one time HS does make me click off is when they have their GoPro mount in view and it’s constantly poking in and out of the frame.
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Very true man. I do watch and enjoy plenty of freestyle pilots who use hypersmooth. There are some amazingly talented pilots who fly with stab. I personally prefer the more raw look of non stabilised footage simply because the dampened and over-smoothed video somehow takes the adrenaline away. But agree about the moving mount issue too. Anyway, thanks for the comment. I really love your flying btw!
Go fly 3D helis like we did in the 90s with a mechanical gyro then tell me who's cheating with a new style flight controller. It's all in the perspective I guess.
Very good point!
I totally agree with you! Freestyle is pure stick time!!! Happy flying!... btw. nice trick combo!
It sure is! It takes a lot of practice but it’s worth it to see the progression over time. Thanks man! 🙏
I just started flying without stabilization enough people talked me into it! I’m actually really happy with my flying without stabilization and it’s only gonna get better 🤘🏻
Awesome dude! I believe it's the best way to improve for sure. Good luck!
But you know how Hypersmooth pilots keep quiet about their footage 🤫🤫
NoStab pilots must LET YOU KNOW the footage isn’t stabilised #nostab #nostab #nohypersmooth #nogyroflow 😜
I hate both btw. Gimbals all the way baybehhhh
Avata 2 for freestyle all the way bro
That all depends of what you want to show... I notice that competitive people tend to complain more about stabilization. Because in their mind they are flying to show of their skills. But not everybody have that mind set. Some want the best footage as possible, because they fly to create a nice footage.
That's true! I am a competitive person. Maybe that's why I feel this way 😅
I agree with this as it's pretty obvious me and Patrick are both competitive but "the best footage possible" is the part that gets me. Hypersmooth or any stabilization looks so unnatural it may as well be CGI imo. And it's freestyle. The point is to show off your skills, wich you aren't doing with stab on.
@@austinspired The way I understand freestyle is, FREE STYLE, we are FREE to do what ever STYLE we want. You see the competition because that is how you are, and that is ok, it is your form of style freedom. But you need to understand that it isn't the truth to everybody.
I totally relate to the part from 7:25. When i started i used to stabilize everything (with the avata), as soon as i tried with a 5 inch i thought "wow, i suck hard, i must do something" and here i am, with the obsession of clean freestyle flights (a bit too much 😂) and with people still doubting..like you said, PRACTICE. Great video Patrick, and great flight. That new skill is so cool tho 🤘🏻🖤
Yeah man it’s hard when you first start. For sure. And it sucks to see how bad you sick when you watch your footage back 😂 but yes we must practice to improve and not take shortcuts 🤘
yes good point here
Completely relate here , when i first started my footage was terrible. But thankfully i got help on tuning and then practiced constantly for a full year. 8 packs a day , fly all weekend , hit the sim , try new tricks over and over and over. And now i can look at my footage and be content for the most part.
By this logic ELRS is cheating because you can still do long range with FRsky if you configure your gear correctly. HDzero is cheating because you can still fly gaps with analog. If you chose to see this as a competition and not just a hobby, then its definitely falls under the category of motorsport where the best engineer/operator "wins". Just embrace new tech. Super smooth flying fpv pilots lost their competitive "advantage" when stabilization tech got better, so just learn new tricks and enjoy not having to be so picky with your gear. But why make it a competition anyways?
Good points!
I didn't know FPV footage could be as smooth as yours is, without stabilisation. Nice! Great point.
Thanks so much 🙏
Are you even a freestyle pilot if you don't use BF 3.57
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If you don't use gyroflow then turn off your gyro and filters and air mode.
huh that's not really the equivalent as those items are needed for nice flight characteristics of the drone itself, not stabilizing footage. I get where you're going with it but that statement doesn't apply.
How did you know the title of my next video?
@@cdramafpv when you use betaflight you are using stabilization.
Dumbest comment I've seen yet. If that's the same thing then why is anyone using hypersmooth? Because everyone has those on.
@@austinspired the whole point is to not use any type of smoothing software, betaflight is software and it smooths out your drone flight, the same way gyroflow/hypersmooth/stabilization software fixes shakey footage. I'm asking for no stab!
One of my favorite reasons to film without stabilization is that, depending on the camera, if I WANT to add it later in post for whatever reason I can....but often prefer the raw video and only ever apply lens correction, and with things like gyroflow if I want to take some shake out I can apply a very very small smidge of stabilization :) but IMO once you go too far it's just almost fake looking, and takes away that grit of freestyle
Yes I agree. One of the things I love about FPV freestyle is that feeling of adrenaline. I feel that stabilisation takes that away
I like the way your eyes sparkle when your mad 😂
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I'm totally with you Patrick! But my best clips came out with the "props screaming" 😆
You never know what you're gonna get
Hahaha that's true! Sometimes when the props are battered and beaten and at the end of their life is when we do our best flying 😂
@@fpvwithpatrick 😁😁😁
100% agree with you bro. I believe pilots who dont run it are elite, because we truly know all our flaws and are 100% aware of our ability in control. So many butt hurt people in here but if they could fly smooth without it they would. It just looks so much better.
Totally agree. And your other comment about hitting gaps looking like an alcoholic needing a drink was hilarious 😂 agree with that too!
I can see it from both points of view however IMO Stabalization is just tech, just like running digital or running any other of the advancements that have come out over the last few years.
Fair point bro 👍
valid points, i do agree with the notion "git gud" instead of stabilizing your footage. i did in the beginning and after i turned it off i just realized how awful i was after all. great video, might be a bit controversial in the fpv space but im here for the drama that might follow🍿
Lots of drama on Facebook when I posted the link up 😂 anyway yeah thanks man. I think we should all learn to embrace the shaky footage ans ditch the stab altogether haha
Hey Patrick! Can you tell me what Camara Tilt your flighing? I've just started with FPV and I'm really impressed by your footage :)
Thank you so very much. I fly with 30 degrees. I used to fly with 25 and started my FPV journey at 15 degrees
Dude, amazing advice and piloting! Can you explain your flight cam angle and action cam angle? I just built a 5" freestyle that works great but I need stick time. I want to work up to your level! Please explain a good angle I should practice at for freestyle tysm!
Hey man. Thanks. Appreciate it. I fly at 30 degrees (same on action cam and FPV cam). When I started I was at 15 degrees. I think it’s a good starting point which doesn’t make you go too fast. When I had more experience I put it up to 25 which is a very common angle. Now I’m at 30
@@fpvwithpatrick knowing that helps so much!! THANK YOU!
I can't tune bro and not all presets work trust me. I have got all the top frames even my AOS-5 V5 on Chris Rossers preset tune doesn't work and I'm also using his outrageously expensive motors. I built it 4 months ago and have never really flown it cause it flies so bad. I found a company in the UK that not only sells excellent frames and equipment he also sends a tune with his frames. So I'm all in and switching all my 14x 5inch and 3.5inch quads to Supafly fpv frames maybe you heard of them lol. Mr Steve is even building me a Syncmode Dji03 elrs as we speak. I know when I get my SUPAFLY SYNCMODE I won't need Stabilisation. Great video 1st time I've watched. Thanks bro.
Ah you know you're going to get quality stuff if you're going all in on Supafly. I'm sure you will love the frames, they fly really amazing.
I just hate using and seeing any kind of stabilization in freestyle videos. I love it in cinematic, and similar, when actually used for a right purpose. I dont consider it cheating... It is just annoying to watch freestyle with unnaturally dampened moves. However, I dont care how other people fly. Do what you want and leave others do what they want. You are a fantastic pilot and content creator. Keep it up, man.
I remember i used hypersmooth on my first gopro, 7 black. When i just started. When i didnt use it once, noticed so many things wrong with quad and flying. So ditching stabilization was the best think i did in my FPV. And i dont care if someone is smooth pilot, or not, as long as I enjoy the video.
Fair points dude and well made! Thanks for watching ❤
Am I crazy, or is the opening clip of you flying have 2-3% stabilization? You can clearly see the tpu shifting in the camera frame. It's not a loose camera as you have zero jello in the video.
😂😂😂. It’s definitely not stabilised I assure you. I think I would be the ultimate troll to make a video about stabilisation whilst stabilising my footage, imagine that 😂😂
it must be light that is reflecting weirdly. just today I had the same effect on my footage and I thought I had accidentally turned stab on, but it wasn't.
I stopped running a GoPro/HD cam altogether and only have my Walksnail DVR footage and it's made my FPV quality of life 10x better. I have more fun when I can just fly vs. when I've got a stick up my ass about getting the perfect line or leaving a spot with good footage. Added bonus of way more flight time, not as much at stake in a crash, and less gear to worry about. Brings me back to why I got in this hobby in the first place, to fly quads!
Wow that's awesome. Sounds way more fun now. I would be tempted to try it but I just love playing with the camera settings way too much 😅
This is a great video and insight. Glad you gave a good explanation. I wouldn’t say im hard core freestyle but I may just try to fly without stabilisation and see how good I am. Might make a response video. Nice flying!
Glad you enjoyed it! Look forward to seeing a response video if you decide to make one 👍
Personally, i dont really care all thst much about the whole stabilization thing. Mostly because im not a good pilot yet. I don't think anything could hide my errors. I do like hearing others opinions on it though.
Really though BIG SHOUT OUT to the Supafly tune. It makes my quads fly amazing. Use it for 3.5 as well. That tune is just so good.
Yeah that’s fair enough 👍 and agree! Love the Supafly tune 👌 thanks for watching!! 🙏
I see you 👀 one upping my "Jacked Matty" combo
But now you've opened the box 😈 BET!!!! 🔥
Hahaha send it dude!
I totally agree Patrick!!! I honestly think that all the little twitches and moves gives the quad personality.
team nostab
hey, i feel like i've seen you somewhere🤔🤔🤔
@@strykerfpv nah bro idk who you are...
lol
Yes I agree! Flying without stabilisation allows each pilot to craft their own style for sure.
@@fpvwithpatrick especially when your style involves little flicks and movements, stabilization often takes away the personality
meh I don't really care either way. I don't normally use it, just because I want a bigger frame, and I appreciate the look without stabilization. I would definitely use it if I was shooting footage for something important though.
It's kind of like modern automatic transmission. I prefer the manual, it's definitely cooler, and takes more skill and practice, but if at the end of the day all you care about is results you should use the auto.
I guess another thing to think about is audience. If I'm making a video just for myself, or for other fpv pilots to enjoy, I'm definitely not going to use stabilization. But if the intended audience is a non fpv crowd (for a movie, b roll for an unrelated video etc) then you really should be using stabilization to ensure your footage looks the best.
Yes very true, and some really great points!
No its not it ,it realy depends what tricks you do and combo's that could still be very hard it only makes it even look better thats all
Yes but the point is that at the end of the day, flying smooth is also a skill. If you are going to use a tool to smooth over your corrections then is it because you’re trying to hide your mistakes? I’m not talking about tricks.
I can see after 20 seconds if someone is good or not, stabilized or not its Just the way someone flies for me
@@keFPV94 That's very true! And I do enjoy watching plenty of pilots who use stabilisation too. Like you say, you can tell whether or not they have skills regardless of the stabilisation
I agree with this, as a new pilot to this game i stop using stab cos i want to put more flytime to get smooth without stab, and i also feel like freestyle without ACTION CAM, kinda like cheating. Cos there is nothing to worry abt and less pressure. Just my opinion 👌
Yeah bro it will definitely help you to improve to become smoother. But personally I don't agree with that. The reason why is because I feel the opportunity to get much better looking footage for me is by using an action camera. Also some people prefer heavier quads as the momentum helps with their style of flying. So for me, not using an action camera is actually a disadvantage. But I understand your opinion 👍
@@fpvwithpatrick also want more thing i think we both agree.. the sounds when flying 😂😂
I always satisfy to hear that, when the motor and props screaming 👌
@@raviepermana oh 100%, who doesn’t love that amazing sound 🤩😆
Not a single video up on my channel is stabilized, and I plan to keep it that way. Also, no cuts at all, every single flight session I do is one take. Now, I am not the best pilot out there, but in my defence I started just a year+ ago. I enjoy simple flying, not too many tricks, and I'm fine. I do wish I found FPV a lot sooner, than in my late 40s. But building custom drones, designing TPUs, tweaking, updating, configuring, is something that makes me so happy. I use Gyroflow only to iron out the horizon and dynamically stretch 4:3 footage into 16:9, no stabilization at all, ever.
That's great man. Hope you continue to enjoy the hobby and continue to improve!
mate this was great, really enjoyed it... also, 276 comments and 276 likes hahaaaa
Haha cheers bruv! No stab ftw 😛
Stigma. Great.
As someone who only recently became able to afford to have fresh gear on my quad to have smooth flights every time this kinda sucks.
The condescending jerks who use the #nostab "badge of honor" to trash me and others in the comment don't need to be emboldened.
There's nothing "deep down" about knowing that stabilization gives you an advantage. It's a handicap, not "cheating" and being called a cheater over it paints me as like..... A slimy culture ruiner when all I'm doing is trying to be a part of something that I love without having to spend all of my time and money being as perfect as you.
And it's not that I don't want to try. I recently made a big deal about turning my stabilization off. But it's because I'm now in a position where I can afford to focus on smoothing my tune/build/skills out. Where I couldn't before. Because I was sick and poor and working my ass off. And now according to your video I "deep down know I'm a cheater"
Love you bro. Check your privilege.
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I can see that I have deeply offended you and I really didn’t want it to come across this way. I did mention in the video that if it’s because of money then that’s fair enough. But then made some counter arguments. I’ve been through periods in the past where I’ve been barely scraping through yet somehow managing to afford to stay in the hobby. Buying cheaper gear, re-using props, buying second hand or accepting hand me downs. And it sucks. It sucks hard. Watching others get out there pushing their gear to the limits without fear of breaking shit or buying the newest stuff. I flew analog forever when everyone else was flying digital. My picture was shite, my VTXs were so messed up and battered, I had no range. I even remember I had a frame that was so beaten and bashed but couldn’t afford to change it at one point. The vibrations and prop wash was absolutely horrendous. I remember the arms would move so much and no matter how tight they were they still would wiggle. I was jealous of all those around me who had better gear. Anyway, I’m sorry to hear that you’ve been dealing with money issues and I have been following your health journey a little online when you’ve posted about it. I know it has been hard for you bro. And I totally get everything you’re saying. But when you speak of my ‘privilege’, I don’t see myself as having any. I worked hard throughout all of that and luckily now I have sponsors who can support me and allow me to stay in the air. I am sure you’re more than good enough to get sponsors. And from the videos I’ve watched of yours, you’re more than good enough to fly without stabilisation. And if my video offended you I apologise and hope we can still be friends
@@fpvwithpatrick ofc were still friends, and I thank you for letting me offer my descent without treating it as a bridge burning. I hadn't had my coffee when I wrote it and while I mean everything I said I wish I wasn't as pointy. I wouldn't say I'm deeply offended I just think that labeling everyone that uses stab as a "cheater" is extreme, and introduces discriminatory language into an area of FPV where I wish that it wasn't.
I'm imagining a young kid getting into the hobby, wants to make videos, checks out what's on UA-cam sees your video and puts it down because he can't make anything that isn't "cheating." I don't like going to the end of the earth in imaginary scenarios to justify my points but things like this are a big deal to the hobbies potential members and I think they should be allowed to explore the space without there being stigma. Good on those people that can take those labels and ignore them but not everyone can and those people deserve to be included or at the very least not put in the cheater stigma box.
As far as you not having privilege tho, I say au contraire, your sponsors and everything that you've worked hard for, the time and resources that you're able to put into this craft are privileges that you've earned. i.e. I feel very privileged for the sponsors I do have. I just think that if you acknowledged them from the side of privilege that is 'having something that other people do not,' you might see my argument as to why it should be okay to post stab video if it means you get to be a part of the community and make something that otherwise would not be made.
I think of it in the same way as auto tune. Is it better when people don't use it? Yes.
Do more people who wouldn't have been able to make anything at all have a higher potential? Yes.
Does it lower the common denominator? Yes.
Are less amazing things being made overall? No.
More people being involved doesn't lower the ceiling. It actually raises it.
Idk I'm rambling. Tell me what you think
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@@BadLuckFPV Yeah I think cheating is maybe too harsh of a word and I think that has triggered many people. The last thing I want is for newbies to the hobby to feel discouraged by my video. I am all inclusive and I welcome all newcomers to the hobby. I should have made it clear that this video is really only for the pilots who push hard in freestyle and make it a part of their lives. Not the casual pilots, or the newcomers or the ones who don't really care and just do it for fun. Well I do it for fun too 😂 but I also take it seriously I suppose!
But I totally get what you mean about the privilege part. But at the same time, if I worked hard to get where I am (not saying I'm anywhere high up 😂) and earn some sponsors then anyone else can too. The opportunity is there and it starts by turning off stabilisation and embracing the wobbles 😆 seriously though, I can see many arguments for and against it. But I think if you're one of the top level pilots and you are still using it to assist you with your ability to fly smooth, this is an unfair advantage over those who are not using it. Anyway, thanks for commenting. I love the comparison to autotune. I would consider that cheating too haha 😂
i mounted my cam on the rear of my quad
that makes the footage look more stable cause the quad isnt moving in relation to the cam and the eye has a stable point to rest on
i love it
i build the quad why wouldnt i want to see a bit of quad in my freestyle flight :D
You mean third person view freestyle? Yeah I’ve always thought that looks cool. But the camera hanging off the back changes the COG so I assume it doesn’t handle so well?
@@fpvwithpatrick
i like to call it "3PV" ^^
i dont feel the cam in the back
but thats because it still sits on the top plate
i did it on my 3.5inch where the lipo is mounted on the bottom and i use a runcam thumb pro so the weight isnt noticable
you only see the front motors and a bit of the fpv cam mount
its not dominating the picture and if you dont conentrate on it you dont notice it to much
check out some of my last vids i think i got a thumbnail with a early version of the mount in one of them
still tinkering with it cause i want it to be more in line and even futher back :D
@@bluefpv3263 yes 3PV, exactly! I’ll check out your videos. I’ve always been curious to try it myself
For frestyle i agree that Action2 is amazing and also no stab if you are not a very noob
For sure bro 👊
Fortunately for the rest of us and unfortunately for you, nobody really cares about stabilization anymore. Infact try to get any work with your “well tuned quad” and no stab.
Judging from the comments it seems like a lot of people seem to care. But I’m not talking about cinematic or anything to do with FPV work or jobs. I encourage you to use stabilisation in that case for sure 👍
Love it Patrick I don’t watch many UA-cam videos but I felt entertained the whole time 👏 great stuff!
I remember when the hero 7 was released, the hyper smooth was mind blowing and the main reason I loved it was being able to fly with battered props 😂 but that was a long time ago and I have been firm nostab for freestyle for nearly 4 years now,, but idgaf what people do tbh…. Get out and fly
Mad combo btw! I hope you get it soon 😀
Thanks for stopping by bro! I also loved the Hypersmooth on the Hero 7 and also used it....until I smashed it into a wall and broke it 😂
Well said ❤ and the amount of comments here, arguing with that only shows how many of the pilots out there are just doing this shit without any remorse haha. Truth hurts 😂
Haha that’s true bro 😂
lets go Patrick . i agree my dude it does make you a better pilot
Yeah for sure, totally agree 👍
Looking forward to ya nailing this new trick, looks insane. Your gonna get it for sure always pushing ya self hard to achieve all the tricks you do
Good work 👍
Thanks man! I'll try again next time. Maybe through a bigger gap!
@@fpvwithpatrick 😂🫣
I agree with you, but after watching freestyle videos 4 years almost every single day I stopped watching them along time ago as in those years I have seen pretty much everything and it became boring. Even your video I skipped almost all the freestyle montage. My point being, i really don't care what other people do, stabilized or not, only time i'll ever watch another freestyle video is from my friends or an epic location
I can relate to that. Freestyle has definitely become harder to watch over the years and now many pilots look the same and even aim for the same goals. I'm sure your friends are happy to have your support though.
what about flying over rapeseed? xD
great substantive approach to the topic
Flying over rapeseed with stabilisation is fine but only if you’re telling a story about the origins of rapeseed and the farming industry 🤪 and yeah I really need to sort out my antennas 😂
@@fpvwithpatrick XDDDD
Love this guy! one word…”Legit”
Thanks, much appreciated! 🙏
i really dont get it. Shaky and uneven footage looks cool, personaly i hate the smooth shit. I mean, racebikes shake and everyone thinks they are cool, why not drones
Haha true! I guess some people can't stand it and need that extra smoothing to sooth their eyes 😅
This is bound to start some drama…
Yep. I had no idea one man's opinion was going to start a war 😅
i think raw vidio can help us improve our flying skills，But when we just want to showcase flight videos in stages rather than flight techniques, sharing some videos with self stabilization assistance is not that bad maybe ：）Perhaps, just don't use stabilization to show off your flying skills, this is the real cheating
Yeah that’s a fair point 👍
Having an opinion on what others do with their footage is pretty silly.
Everyone's opinion is valid. Including yours. So we can agree to disagree 😃
#fullstab 😂❤
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Great video bro.
Thanks bro! 👊
Unwatchable for my old eyes.
You don't look old! Do you like to watch Vanover? He flies without stabilisation 😜
No stab pilots are the vegans of FPV - you know they don't use stabilization because they love to tell you about it. Also, they're all way better than I'll ever be! lol
@@DrMacca 😂😂
Totally agree never freestyle stab,better show your mistakes and your non good skills that cheating with stab....🙌🙌🙌anyway amaizing combo trick 🔥🔥🔥 seeing it it s normal you need a super ultra reforced antenna tpu mount😂,great video and #nostab forever 💪
Yeah bro agree. And true I do need an ultra reinforced antenna mount 😂 thanks for stopping by! 👊
@@fpvwithpatrick 🙌🙌🙌🍻🍻🍻
Hey Patrick! I got bashed for creating a video before and advising not to stabilize in a very friendly manner so many times. :( I totally agree with you, no to stabilization and I never stabilize my freestyle. I only stabilize my cruising using whoops videos.
Hey man. That’s great. I think not using a stabilisation is a great way to progress and to learn to be smoother as you can see more clearly what you have to work on. Thanks for stopping by 🙏
Yeah Neil 🤙 no stab for freestyle 🤜🤛
I mean. Tbh to the common folks freestyle is almost obnoxious to watch playback. It makes them dizzy.
Very true. Motion sickness is a real problem if you’re not used to it. My girlfriend can’t watch my flying, it makes her dizzy 😂
@fpvwithpatrick lol. Right. I fly for virtualntours real estate and i did a poll on FB and 80% said turn slowly. Lol. Even with my handheld gimbal they said the same. Maybe they just aren't look forward like we do. Idk.
@@yakitoriPBhaha yes I think any fast movements or turns can be too much for many people. Plus if it’s for cinematic purposes then I guess the slower the better so you can see the subject of the video better
hypersmooth/gyroflow looks just bad (for freestyle) once you know what it looks like - team #nostab all the way
I agree. It dampens the experience too much. I love the raw adrenaline feeling from non stabilised flights.
i totally agree
Great to hear! thanks for watching 🙏
#NoStabilizationGang
Hell yeah dude 🤘
Great video Patrick, I 100% agree 🔥🔥 sick combos
Thanks bro! Appreciate it!!
And yes… stabilizing is cheating, Bubby and the rest , time to step up your game.😀
Yeah hopefully one day Bubby will learn to fly just as good as the rest of us 😜😂
That’s a really good edit/story oriented video. MORE!
Thanks man! I’ll definitely make more like this. Maybe on other less controversial topics next time 😂
@@fpvwithpatrick I got another controversial topic for you: Fanboys XD and by it I mean immature almost fanatic approach to brands/video systems
@@3216.workbench interesting idea 🤔
@@fpvwithpatrick do you need help with research? :)
@@3216.workbench not atm but thanks for the offer! I have a few other topics I would love to discuss first 😛
No stab gang gang for the win, great video and epic rippage. 😎
Thanks dude! Appreciated!
No Cheat No Pain :V HUH
One thing I noticed that helped me be smoother on the sticks was using small gimbals on my Sim radio which are stupidly twitchy, now when I move back to my flight radio with full size gimbals, everything is much smoother. I still cheat but importantly I'm honest about it and tell people that I use Gyroflow (and how much). I'm getting to the point where I'm lowering the smoothing amount with the utlimate aim of going full time #nostab.
Wow that's actually a really cool way to train to become smoother. I remember I started with smaller sized gimbals and it wasn't easy at all!
hahah I loved this! I've been on team #nostab 4-ever, feel like I've to push my limits even further!
Thanks dude! Flying without stabilisation definitely helps to push your limits 🔥
I agree, I only stabilize my cinematic footage freestyle, no stabilization at all
Nice dude! 👊
Preach
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I am a cheater. lol ......Just let me be a NOOB!!
😂 you do you bro 👊 just my opinion 😛
Loved the edit.. good work.
Thanks so much 😊
Def and we can tell
Yes you can often tell, that’s true 👍
I'm pretty new to the hobby and I want to avoid stabilization. But I think it's only fair that there some kind of disclosure if you do use it.
Yeah that seems fair enough to me 👍
Stabilized freestyle honestly just looks bad most of the time, it's all about those hard locks and snappy flicks. Stabilized just makes it all look soft and mushy.
Yep agree. I think it only really works if you're flying that 'flowstyle' like Bubby or Le Drib
send it sunday? is it specific date or week of the year?
😂 yes it's the first Sunday of every month, no including October or December when you will find it on the second Sunday of the month. Oh and during a leap year everything is backwards and it's the last Sunday of every month
I've been saying this for years. Plus these kids have no idea how hard it was to build a 6" not to mention a 7" before hypersmooth was a thing because your tune had to be PERFECT to get any usable video.
Yeah man totally get that. I have only been in the hobby since 2019, I can't imagine the struggle before that to get smooth footage. I bet it was a fun challenge though!
@fpvwithpatrick it honestly wasn't fun. Between all the filtering and hypersnooth the ability to get good footage has become 100x more accessible.
The only time I think its ok to use stabilization is when your being paid to produce footage for a client . If your lucky enough to get that gig then you'll want to give them the very best that you can.
As for going out and giving it a rip I cannot support the use of that feature. I feel a real FPV pilot will show raw footage with shakes,mistakes and crashes. Otherwise your just posturing.
For sure man. For jobs and professional work it's a must!
oldguyFPV; Agree!
Hell yeah bro 🙌
@@fpvwithpatrick oldguyFPV; Every time I use stabilization, I feel like I'm cheating on my wife! I suck at freestyle, but what you see is what you get!
@@ghettorecording2925hahaha I love that 😂
I prefer to see unstabalized footage for freestyle as it portrays your stick demeaner and style. I imagine if I was watching someone's YT videos all the time and then showed up in person I would want to feel on the same page watching through direct goggle feed.
Yeah that's a good point man. I think also stabilised footage hides all those nuances of style which I love seeing whether it's in the goggles or in a video
hello, are you in malaysia ?
Hey man! Not now. I used to live in Malaysia and I have flown there a lot but now I am in Vietnam
@@fpvwithpatrick ok i was travelling 2023/24 spend most time in Philippines Cebu /Palawan, in Manila got to meet HEADMAZTA FPV ... and some time in Bangkok, DaNANG Vietnam and south KL Malaysia ... flown everywhere, no permit .... really glad i found your channel ,
@@bart_sakwerda_uav Oh wow that's awesome man! Headmazta is a great pilot. Thanks for the support
i fly no stab on my practice rig. only hypersmooth when im making a movie. using stabilization on freestyle is cheating. i noticed when brand new pilots had more flow. until you see their RAW footage.
Yeah dude, totally agree
Disagree
Sure! We are all welcome to our opinions and that was mine. Thanks for stopping by! 😁
Really love this style of video
Thanks! Will definitely continue to make more like this on different topics
Reading comments' section with my "camera calibration error" on screen ☕
Ahahahaha
You film in 30fps (or less) with super slow shutter speed that blurs pretty much everything using a heavy quad. And you probably use airmode, rc smoothing, iterm and what not. But at video stabilization you draw the line and basically insult others for using one more thing to stabilize the video than you do?
Everyone has a different taste and it's fine and doesn't have to make sense what you like and don't like. But I personally really dislike elitist gatekeeping.
Btw. stabilization does not remove jello or blur. If the image is blurry, using a different part of the image will not make it less blurry.
Thanks for the comment bro. And you are 100% correct, I do use all of these methods to help smooth my footage. Well apart from rc smoothing and iterm, I just leave all that at default I guess 🤷♂ and I would consider my quad an average weight at 750g???? But the camera settings are important, agree.
I didn't want the video to come across as elitist gatekeeping, I hate that myself. I had already planned to make a follow up video about camera settings to help make your footage look smoother. Is that cheating? Maybe I am a cheater also. But it takes a certain knowledge to know how to properly set up your camera, the same as how it might take knowledge to tune a quad. I'm not sure what effect using ultra wide has, but maybe that helps too.
Either way, I was hoping this video would encourage discussion and it has done just that. The thing that I am trying to highlight is that flying smooth is a skill in itself and therefore pressing a button to magically make you a 'better' pilot is kinda suss in my opinion. Anyway, thanks for stopping by. I really appreciate all comments an opinions.
Btw, stabilisation definitely removes jello. Have you ever flown with bent props with and without stab? There is a huge difference.
Agreed stab is cheating
Freestyle=nostab
Cinematic=Stab if needed?
I always run my cine footage through reelsteady. I only put 20 STAB on, but it does really add a nice effect.
Yes I personally would always stabilise my cinematic footage. Whatever works to get the smoothest and best looking footage. Freestyle is different obviously which is more skill based
One if the reasons I hardly watch freestyle anymore. I'm on team NOSTAB for life.
Hell yeah bro 🙌
it's not cheating BUT it's a big disadvantage for your freestyle footage, look at the split s when someone's using stab, it's so weird😂😂😂
Yeah I know what you mean bro!
круто👍спасибо за видео😉😉😉
Thanks for the comment 🙏
Definitely agree with you dude 🤜
For sure bro! No stab is the way for freestyle 🙌
Totally agree🤙🏻
Awesome. Send it bro! 🚀
Awwww it was about stabilisation, I thought you were gonna drop the bomb about buying subs and followers 😅😅😅😅
😂😂 maybe next time haha
To put it blunt anyone getting upset needs to put in more stick time sorry not sorry...
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@@fpvwithpatrick 🤷♂️🤷♂️😂
yeah, for freestyle it's cheating. not even a question. 😁 you can also get yourself really ramped up about it. for some time I even thought using heavy nd and ultra-wide/hyperview instead of the regular superview was cheating a bit, because it also masks things. but looking back that's too much, obviously. besides, I feel like the amount of freestyle pilots using it has went down over the vears.
I remember you always commenting on the Freestyle Kingz Instagram whenever something was stabilised 😂 I agree about ultra wide too. It also makes everything look faster which made me jealous when I was using a Runcam Orange and couldn't afford an Action 2 😂 I used to think how it wasn't fair haha
@@fpvwithpatrick Haha, right. I was quite vocal about it, also on facebook when that was a thing. 😄 The ultrawide makes things appear faster, but also helps reducing shaky flight (just like when you're on a tele lens and you have to be more careful vs. with a wideangle -- exaggerated of course). But again... today I wouldn't go so far to say it's cheating like hypersmooth is. 🤐