Chris Jericho Shares CONTROVERSIAL Plan For His CM Punk Feud
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2023
- From an ITR Live show last year, Chris Jericho discussed his CM Punk feud from 2012 and one of the shocking plans for the angle that got nixed. Subscribe to the channel for more clips of our live shows and interviews, and don't forget to like and comment too!
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What did you think of CM Punk and Chris Jericho’s feud back in 2012? Let us know in the comments!
Punk is a perfect example of being ungrateful & not seeing how blessed he is in the business. He wants to be put over like he's really the best, but he's actually just the best on the mic.
He doesn't respect the fact, most guys laying down for him, are LAYING DOWN for him. As in they'd beat his ass in a real fight.
Dude wants to cry like he was mistreated but he was given the world
Please balance out your audio. Your interviews are always so quiet then stuff like 6:05 & 6:08 just slam you.
@@akadvcyoubeezy6748 Sucks he wasn't as good of a fighter as he thought he was...
great feud but the wm 28 match was too slow.
Why would any of this be censored?
Punk vs Jericho at wm28 was one of my favourite matches of all time. Very underrated match and the crowd were super into it at the time too.
the match was great! the storyline was awful, the Tattoo idea would of been brilliant as CM punk won he would tattoo his name on Jericho who at the time didnt have tattoos... a much better stronger concept the best of the world vs the best in the world.
At the time my 2 favorite wrestlers, but I agree with Jericho it was a bit underwhelming and was missing something from being an epic match.
Vince not understanding why Jericho tattooing CM Punk would be violating makes perfect sense in hindsight.
He doesn't understand object permanence. He doesn't understand that when you fire someone, they still exist haha. So he probably thought, well they can just get rid of the tattoo! Like i do with people that disagree with me!
@@sentientcardboarddumpster7900 I think his point was that Vince doesn't care about consent.
LOL so true
@@BigFresh37wasn't also a point that Vince's mother abused him
Vince doesn’t understand anything & hasn’t for a couple decades.
The sobriety test was absolutely hilarious Punk played being drunk so well lol
I LOVED their extreme rules rematch where they both wore short jeans, that was an awesome little detail that made it a special match .
The fact that he was WWE champion at Mania & he didn’t headline it should really tell people how right Punk & Paul Heyman were about him having a up hill battle against WWE management throughout his WWE career.
That's because Rock v. Cena was the bigger draw. You hype a match between two of the biggest names in wrestling history for a year and not have them headline WrestleMania? They didn't want to pull another Rock v. Hogan I guess
Headlining over Rock and Cena…sure
@@joetheman8550 literally everyone was clowning at the creative for not making that match a triple threat for the title. There was NO reason why creatively they NEEDED to have another singles match for the CHAMPIONSHIP again at a Wrestlemania when 1, we’ve already seen it and 2, the first match was advertised as a Once In A Lifetime match. I know you guys might not be able to remember that & how vocal people were over the creative decision but I do lol.
They didn’t need to have another SINGLES match the year after their first match. That triple threat would have been bigger for most people that watch the product because it would have been a match we haven’t seen yet featuring 3 white hot superstars. A triple threat featuring those 3 WOULD have been a bigger draw than a singles match between Cena & Rock that we have already seen.
Punk was literally on a “longest world title reign” before Vince threw all of that out the window and have him drop the belt to Rock right before Mania. Idk where y’all were at during this time but all I can tell you was that creative decision was trash….but at least it gave us a great Taker match.
@@b-rye223 Your original comment refers to when it was Punk vs Jericho for the championship. Which did not need to go on last because it was the first time rock and Cena was going to wrestle each other (no match was going to top that, not only was it built up for a year in wwe, Cena and Rock was beefing in real life prior to before that match was even announced.) Now to your second comment. Yes they could have made it a triple treat, but then the story of could john Cena beat the rock would not really be answered because then people would be like well if it wasn't for Punk etc. Plus Wwe was looking at it from business side. Cena and Rock was guaranteed money as their previous match was one of the most talked about match (Not saying either of their matches were near the best on the card.) Also though Punk being chosen to fight the undertaker was a huge compliment to Punk. Undertaker just came off retiring shawn michaels and ending an Era with triple h, it made sense as a fan because really who else could they put against him at that time that you thought may be able to beat the streak.
Yeah cm punk was the champ but he was never the MAN. He was never the GUY!
Such a good point about the open air stadiums as compared to closed arenas - never been a huge fan of 70,000 seat stadiums being sold out because they always sound quieter for fan reactions than what a 20,000 seat closed arena would and most of the time it's those audible crowd reactions that can be the difference between a good show and a great show
I was at clash at the castle and it was closed stadium, sooo loud
What difference does it make, sound is sound.
The acoustics of a closed arena is the difference
I do miss those Austin like pops when the arena just roars like a grizzly
@MASTER-OF-FILM sound/acoustics is actually very complex. There's a spot at some Mayan ruins where a person can stand like 100m away, talk in a low voice, and the person 100m away can hear them as if they were next to them. It was used to address large crowds of people so they can hear.
If you listened to Jericho elaborate in this video, it's about the sound going up and out of the stadium instead of staying in it.
To be fair, Rock vs. Cena was definitely always the right main event for WM28. Punk should have been on last at 29.
Vs taker ?
Nah they did the right thing. It was for the money and if you have a job it makes more sense when you’re making money.
@@kamfisher1714 no. The cons out way the pros
@@shadowedlvnar1635 There was no cons, it’s easy to say “well undertaker and punk had the best match” ok well the undertaker wouldn’t have been at the next night. Another thing for punk to complain about.
@@kamfisher1714 no cons? You're joking right? False marketing isn't a con to you. A part timer like the rock stunting the growth of a guy like punk isn't a con to you? Holding up 3 WrestleManias for the sake of a "dream match" isn't a con to you? They ruined mania 27 by having the rock ruin a main event. They false marketed mania 28 as once in a lifetime. Mania 29 held up the rise of Punk and Vince made is Cena vs rock AGAIN when if anything it should've been a triple threat and should've been Cena vs Rock vs Punk to give punk the main even he deserved
Even though Punk was WWE champion, The Rock vs Cena was the right choice for WM 28 Main Event. However, Punk DID deserve main event of WM29. His match with Taker was the match of the night and deserved main event. He may complain but he carried the company from 2011-2013, was champ for 434 days, made Vince huge sums of money via merch.
P.S: Although his match with Taker WAS main event in everyone's eyes, from Punk's POV, he was mad bc one day when u list his achievements, main eventing WM won’t be there.
To me, it should have been either him v. Cena v. Rock or him v. Cena
How the hell cm punk even make money for wwe? Ratings when down when punk was champ
@@heybiatchitsme3734 Ratings haven't been that relevant for like 15 years. They earn money from merch, tickets and sponsors primarily.
@@mihaa94skyIf less people are watching the product all 3 of those things decrease
@@heybiatchitsme3734 lol bullshit, when punk left the ratings drastically declined.... when punk made his UFC debut the UFC never saw such a draw in ratings in its entire existence relevant to cm punk getting beat. Joe Rogan even cleared that up in his podcast.
I like the stories Jericho shared but he mentioned something interesting. He's talking about CM Punk being upset about not being in the main event match at Wrestlemania and not understanding why he's upset about it. But on the Bully Ray podcast after Jericho left WWE he mentioned he didn't like his role in ppvs either.
I mean its not necessarily the same
Also foreshadowed Vince’s fondness for prostitutes
It is completely different. Jericho had a right to be upset because despite being featured in a high profile, he usually was treated as an afterthought. While Punk did have many PPV where you could make that argument, he also had some really high profile matches where he was very well taken care off, his match against Jericho being actually a great example of one where he was treated great.
But then what about the times punk wasn’t treated great? Cough Kevin nash cough HHH cough that’s when punk was hot and they completely screwed with him. Y2J should totally understand where punk coming from because Jericho was screwed as champ as well when facing HHH. And while Jericho can try to downplay the importance of the main event, the difference is Jericho DID main event a wrestlemaina whereas punk didn’t. And he did deserve a main event match that year. It also hypocritical of Jericho because he’s stated that he felt him and owens shouldve main evented that wrestlemania but instead they were the second match of the night. Jericho stated that frustration led to him going to new Japan and AEW
@@zemm9003 True, but again Jericho mentioned in the podcast something different. Bully Ray asked him, "ok but why does it matter if you go last or not." And Jericho said, " because in the eyes of the old man the last match is the main event" and the pay is better. Perfectly justified argument, that's why I don't get why he can't see CM Punks similar situation against facing the Undertaker at WM (which was a main event caliber match but not considered the official main event). That's all I'm pointing out, I mean if people want to bring it up as Jericho having seniority on the matter then I agree. But I don't think that's the case he's making here.
WrestleMania 29 should have been a triple threat rock vs Cena vs punk. Not 28
An endless Well of knowledge, experience, creativity and showmanship. Jericho is literally a living legend. As an AEW fan, I will never take for granted the legitimacy he brings to the company, the constant creative input he shares w/TK and the Elite. He is an unsung EVP for sure. The amount of times this professional has made a show/storyline better, a wrestler better (especially by putting them over) is on astronomical levels. One of the very greatest and most influential pro wrestlers in the history of the biz.
😂😂😂
He's been nothing but dog shit since his title run ended like 3 years ago lmao
I totally agree. I've thought he's arguably the greatest ever or at least should be in every conversation. The Undertaker is reverred, and rightfully so, for staying relevant so long and constantly reinventing himself to stay fresh. Chris Jericho has done that same thing but far more times and literally got every one over. That's in a class of it's own. Who else can say they have done close to that?
I gotta respect Jericho. Been watching him since his days as undisputed champion. He's always found ways to remain entertaining
I've been watching Jericho since he was working the indies in Winnipeg.... he was a scrawny kid back then.
Wish he would retire. He’s the new Ric Flair now…and that’s not a compliment.
Poor fanboy.
@@semyaza555 No disrespect to Ric Flair, but Jericho is a much better performer at age 52 than him at that same age, in and out of the ring. Hell, Jericho still is a better performer than many of current guys that are on their primes right now 🤷🏻♂️ Going toe to toe with guys like Omega, Hangman and Ospreay and make them look like he did is not easy. Imagine what a 35-40 year old Jericho would had been able to do.
@@elmulato7038 You’re a zoomer and could never. If you grew up watching the Lionheart Chris Jericho on WCW you’d realize how washed the big homie is. Don’t ever at me with such nonsense.
Man, I can listen to Jericho tell stories for hours!
Its my favorite match of all time. Its so underrated. Such Good times.
Punks match with Taker was a year after Punks match with Jericho. Jericho's wires are a bit crossed
A bit misleading, but not everything he talks about has to be in regards to that time. He said he talked to Punk about it, he didn’t say that he talked to Punk about it back then. He could’ve talked to him about it a week before this conversation was recorded.
Upload Jericho more, please. I've been really enjoying his stories and thoughts.
me to
Should have been Punk vs Cena Vs Rock in 2013 as the main event of Wrestlemania.
Punk/Jericho rivalry was definitely a good one and the segments on Raw were the best thing during that time.
Let’s go then. Bring that feud back in AEW
So that Jericho can derail his momentum aswell?
Its been done. Jericho has said many times he doesn't want wwe matches he wants to wrestle new people
Jericho has been garbage in AEW and just trying to use other guys stay relevant
What Jericho said about the stadium atmosphere, is why I think Triple H wanted MITB in an arena in the UK, I don't think Clash at the Castle was able to capture the same sort of atmosphere that TakeOver London got because it was in a stadium.
Which is a shame because the crowd at Clash was anything but quiet
their matches at WM 28, Extreme Rules 2012, and Payback 2013 were all dope.. still remembered when Jericho was talkin mad shit about Punk's family😂😂😂😂😂
that was a wild analogy about the tattoo 💀
The main event is the last match on the card. Sure, there are high profile matches, but sometimes WWE tries to treat wrestlers like little kids by saying to them are in a main event so they don't feel bad.
Another testament on how hard Jericho and punk had to work to over cone bad wwe booking and vinces prejudice and still become big stars.
WWE actually did something similar to this in 1999. Val Venis tattooed his initials on Albert's ass in retaliation for Albert having pierced Val's nose the week before. Vince McMahon tried to shoot down an idea for not making sense when the same idea was used on his own television show 13 years prior.
Comparing wrestling 20 years ago to the product now is just stupid on your part.
I love that feud. The match also was really good.
It was a very good match but not great or super memorable. Fell short of a World title match at WM. But they had some other better matches. Extreme Rules the next month and also Payback 2013 I personally really liked. And of course the crowd seemed much louder even on TV for those two, which does add a lot.
Difference between Punk and Jericho(love them both) is that Punk will win in a push and make sure his opponent always looks strong whereas Jericho will do promos until fight time and the wind just kind of goes through the sails and it's onto the next feud. Don't get me wrong, Jericho has so many classics, but Punk is better for the business and isn't afraid to speak his mind when something isn't right. Much respect to both
In simple words, punk is old school business and Jericho is more like a wrestling fan....
Uhhhh. Punk can't even make it to the ring hoss
Jericho - Punk was great. I loved that match.
Is there anywhere to watch the full show?
that is my favorite feud of all time!!!
You could call every match on the card a main event, the fact still remains that the last match is THE main event
Absolutely love Chris Jericho he's a goat
If you're wrestling the Undertaker, you're in the main event. Being last doesn't matter.
This is exactly why Jericho needs a Vince McMahon. Because Tony would have allowed them to do a 40 minute match with a handshake at the beginning. Ha.
Would rather hear him discuss his behind the scenes feud with Punk in 2022.
If you think about it cm punk tattoos are like a signature, people love it. Adding a small C.J I think wouldn’t have popped the crowd as big as him talking about his family
Thank god I thought I was the only one who can't say the alphabet backwards when sober haha
Mick Foley had a good point with the Main event thing. Uk Taker and Foley didn’t “Main Event” KOTR Austin and Kane did, but what do u remember. Jericho said it himself. “Yea I was on last for WM” but who main evented WM X8? Rock and Hogan, no one rm the next match, let alone the main event
We should never see Punk flying first class since he always dreams of going last
@2:44 has he ever had a tattoo? Yes they bleed lol 😆 this guy
He said they don't bleed like if you blade yourself.
Punk thinks WAY too highly of himself.
He’s not NEARLY as big of a star as Cena OR Rock.
If the main event doesnt matter then WHY not put Cena and Rock mid card at Mania since it doesn't matter....
CM Punk 👑
Can't they mic the crowd and pipe the sound into the ring?
Jerichos mind is always working, he made a clipboard a gimmick for God's sake, brilliant guy
Not to mention: "IT"
Should pitch this to Tony kahn
Maybe a blessing in disguise for CM Punk that they didn't go with the tattoo idea
With jerichos experience by that point wouldn’t he know crowd reactions would be delayed in stadiums not like it was his first time
inside the ropes in 2075 be like: ric flair talks about his current run as NWA world’s champion 😂bros take YEARS to upload a whole interview
Jericho trying to make it seem like they dont add crowd sounds to all the people that go to an event and wonder why they never heard those kind of reactions haha
Put a tattoo on Darby Allin
Kinda makes sense that Chris had to explain enthusiastic consent to Vince.
I think the reason the jericho punk match didnt work was because it had this older younger field..people would go wow this cm punk is just like chris jericho in his prime. Whos punk facing? A modern day jericho. Its like father to son
CM Punk is quite polarizing for me. I agree with him on a lot of things, and he should have been given the main event at WrestleMania at least once, but there are times when he just whines too much. The dude was WWE Champion for over a year, he got to be in a match against Undertaker at WrestleMania (which makes him part of the 24 wrestlers who have done it) and won back-to-back Money in the Bank Ladder Matches. Just saying, he got to do more than anyone else in the business. Gotta count your blessings and be appreciative of what you have.
They did the Punk as an alcoholic story in ROH with Raven already but lets be honest who had seen that back then.
Your guys videos are really quiet
garden tee'd
Jericho: [pitches tattoo idea]
Vince: it wouldn't be appropriate to air that on national television for the general public to see!
Also Vince: Hey, I got an idea! You know how his real life family has a few pretty dark and very personal skeletons in their closet...?
vince is loco. tats dont bleed that much hell they have had matches where the wrestlers have bled a hell of a lot more than a tat would at that time so im not sure what vinces logic was but honestly i would have loved to see CJ tat his initials on punk
Have another drink PUUnk!
The story being told was misdirection. Punk being tempted to drink was the story going into extreme rules. Mania was about pushing Punk to his limit because Jericho is taunting him with his family issues.
Eh i cant think of a time when punk had a main event worthy match on the mania card
I mean, I get what CM Punk is saying in a sense. When you really think about it, he deserved to main event WrestleMania 29 as the WWE Champion. He had one of the longest title reigns in a really long time at that point. I think they either could've had The Undertaker win the 2013 Royal Rumble Match & they could've done that same classic match like in real life, but it's in the main event & not only the streak is on the line, but also CM Punk's 504 day WWE Title reign is on the line as well. Either that or you have John Cena win the Royal Rumble & go on to fight CM Punk one on one, which The Undertaker could fight Chris Jericho & The Rock could fight Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 29, or you can just do a Triple Threat Elimination Match with CM Punk defending against The Rock & John Cena with Punk being eliminated within the 5 minutes of the match & this will lead to Rock & Cena duking it out most of the match, which leads to John Cena getting the win.
Based on what I’ve heard other wrestlers say about cm punk I think some of those ideas would’ve worked but not the last one. That would’ve put him in the main event but then I feel like he would’ve complained that they didn’t treat him like he was the champ if he got eliminated like a few mins in and the match became primarily rock v cena. Idk tbh I think his first run with wwe was just doomed and it was never gonna work out no matter what they did because if you really look at it punk talks about that time in his career like he got treated like shit and wasn’t valued at all but he clearly was. They gave him one of the longest reigns that had happened in awhile, they had him feuding with the biggest stars besides himself like cena and he even got to have a couple matches with the rock, they put him with heyman who primarily only works with guys who they have big plans for like lesnar or Roman etc. I just think he’s one of those guys man we’ve all met or known someone like him where no matter what they just aren’t happy most of the time. Also triple H has talked in the past about how he would never talk to him. He’d hear punk wasn’t happy in his position of talent relations so he’d go have a sit down with him and anytime he did he wouldn’t tell him anything he’d just lie and be like everything’s fine man so I don’t think he even really tried to communicate a lot of his grievances he just complained to peers who would then take it to hunter and it was just a cycle that never got anywhere
Cops don't make you say the alphabet backwards. They actually just make you say it normal
Vince thinking that tattoos bleed to much is absolutely ridiculous and has never seen someone be tattooed
Being in the best match means you were in the main event is the most often used excuse for why certain guys don't get to close out the show. In boxing the closer is always the main event. Same goes for MMA. It's the fight that the ppv is named after. It's the one that gets the most hype. It's the fight everyone pays to watch. Everything else is considered filler in the eyes of the paying viewers and the live audience. It's no different in Pro Wrestling. The most hyped up match at the event that Jericho was talking about was John Cena vs The Rock. It was the one people paid to see and it closed out the show. The closer is always the main event because it's the match that gets the most attention.
I can say it backwards but because I decided to practice it so I could stick it to the pig if I ever got pulled over and accused of drunk driving. Then I realized I don’t have to take those tests and it’s actually better not to.
their wm 28 match was not good.
Jericho has few screws missing.
the tattoo angle would of been brilliant... the family alcohol angle was frankly very weak... clearly an indication to Vince's lack of vision.
Their Extreme Rules match was definitely better IMO.
CM Punk did nothing wrong
I know this may sound stupid but Vince not understanding something as tattoos and thinking it’s just tattoos on Cm Punk goes to show how small minded he can be
That tattoo angle would've sucked.
The Undertaker Wrestlemania were usually the best match in 99%.
Thank fuck he's talking about 2012. I thought it'd be a hypothetical AEW feud, and I cannot think of anyone I'd like 2023 Jericho to bury via nothing but proximity less than Punk, should he return.
Bad idea from Jericho .
(Vince saved the storyline)
HHH tried to bury punk
Wonder if Punk would have kept the tattoo or have it covered eventually 😂😂
Surely changes the C to an A somehow hahahaha
@@leap3966 oh right. HAHAHA
A 2 minute DQ!!!!??? I would have quit then because that means that you're boss thinks you're basically worthless
Punk should've been in a triple threat with cena and the rock at wm29 and taker could've just faced brock
Punk should have waited for his opportunity instead of complaining. Punk only got hot from 2011 and then he quit in 2014 before WM. So he only really had WM 28 (2012) which was Rock and Cena, WM 29 (2013) which was Rock and Cena and then he left before WrestleMania 30. WM 27 I never understood why he thought he deserved a spot above the Miz who at the time was clearly the top heel in the company, with nuclear heath, really massive crowd reactions. Back then he was hanging out with a bunch of geeks, the Straight Edge Society or whatever, that very few people cared about (despite Punk thinking they were mega over).
2012 was the worst year for wwe in my opinion the only good thing was ziggler getting his well deserved push and Lesnar coming back but the whole CMPunk championship reign I couldnt hate it more i actually stopped watching wrestling and became a full time Ufc fan right after that
Is Jericho seriously using eyebrow pencil on his hairline? Hahaha
He's not elevating anyone but himself,he uses younger talent to keep himseslf relevant while they're not gaining anything from it.He wants as feud with Cm Punk while his segments and him always being on TV are the biggest reason I dont watch AEW anymore.
On the real I get what Jericho was going but the tattoo angle would've sucked.
If you're in WWE and you want to be the top guy YOU WANT TO BE IN THE MAIN EVENT. Punk wanted to be the best and that's why he was determined to be there. If you look at past WWE Champions like Kofi or Big E or even Cesaro , you can see why they aren't big stars: they don't want to be the best. They are okay with just being there.
Punk wasn't wrong in any of his ideas. Nobody wanted it like Punk
Kofi is a big star and was the best, he didnt have to step on any toes to do it, never heard anything negative about him amogst his peers or with management, and he was eventually rewarded for it, youre ignorant
A B C D E F H
David Arquette is like the alternate CM Punk we need just saying 😂😂
This makes me angry. Old school guy throwing the business under the damn bus
2min DQ
1:53 Oh of course Vince would get the prostitute analogy, if there's anything vince knows it's paying money for sex
Feel like this story is very telling of how Vince McMahon perceives the world. He doesn't get the idea of a physical violation of a tattoo done without consent, but he's all for digging up personal shit for cheap heat.
Tattooing someone during or after a match being rolling around in sweat especially in the ring you shared with a couple dozen people doesn't sound like super hygienic...and I doubt Jericho has experience tattooing someone.
No disrespect to Chris Jericho. He was great in his day. But his style of wrestling was always predicated on his youth and athleticism and he just can't do those moves effectively anymore. And I just don't see a match between Jericho and CM Punk drawing big money, and that's what it's all about. You've got 2 veteran guys who have both lost a step (Jericho more than Punk) and I just don't think it would work. If you're going to bring Phil Brooks back, he should be there to help get some of these floundering younger guys over. Put him in the ring with Wardlow, Hobbs, Takeshita, Pillman Jr or Brock. Those guys need someone who can help elevate them. He shouldn't come back to wrestle another wrestler even older than he is and with even less mobility in the ring.
you're not wrong but he wasn't pitching a potential feud for the future - he was talking about when they wrestled at WM 28
Well on that subject no never I don't want cpunk back reson because he said an recent interview no but Y2j any time wwe deos not matter to me
Good thing Vince didn't go ahead with the tattoo idea 😂 kinda lame
Punk got one letter wrong saying it backwards should’ve gotten locked up 😂