So the recent Hanzo ult "buff" is actually a NERF? | OW2 Reddit Questions #35
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Here we go again, KarQ is back at it again, answering questions on /r/OverwatchUniversity.
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00:00 - Intro
00:10 - Is Moira a Crutch?
02:12 - So the new Hanzo ult "buff" is just a nerf, right?
04:58 - Is Illari viable as an off-healer at the moment?
06:56 - Why can Venture ult destroy lamp?
08:22 - How do you effectively use Brig's and Zen's Ultimates?
11:00 - Are players better now than years ago in OW1?
12:36 - Why play Hanzo / projectile anymore?
15:07 - Character you used to despise but enjoy now?
16:35 - Has Rein's pin become a much more essential part of his kit?
18:10 - What is a good tank to play into Zarya?
20:37 - Outro
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I've found that a decent timing to use Brig ult is when your tank just really needs a second to catch up on cooldowns/heals. Even just being able to fill that spot of "tank" for a second or two to get them out is usually enough to save a team fight. Pop rally, shield bash whoever is chasing for the elim, and s key shield bot your way out with your tank. Then if the timings are right you can maybe sneak in another shield bash stun before the ult runs out.
Obviously not the only time to use it, but a decent reactionary timing if you need one.
Yeah brig enables TF out of Hog vs sigma and Orisa BC she can dash forward and block the CC
Idk it seems like the streamers that dont play hanzo much if at all are trying to defend the "change" as a little good and bad, but the ones who actually play him are just calling it a nerf. Like i respect the hours and skill they put in, but when it comes to the "Hanzo" topic for this patch, I can really only trust Arrge and Samito here
The Hanzo “buff” is overall a nerf in my opinion but it’s pretty subjective but one thing every one can agree on is the “buff” is a spit in the face because no one asked for this on either side, no Hanzo players has ever said “the one thing I really want them to change about Hanzo is to make his dragon faster and worst at zoning” or has a Hanzo hater said “oh I hate Hanzo because his dragon is so broken and too good at zoning they should make it faster” it like they just make random balance choices and hope they work🤷♂️ we just want Hanzo one shot back tbh.
Before others say it. No we don't want large arrows. Smaller hitbox and higher headshot multi or damage.
If they really don't want the hanzo one shot back like it was, what if they just buffed sonic arrows damage so you can atleast one shot on a long cooldown?
This is actually a dope idea. Basically call shot.
It's still a one shot you get no warning or counter play to. Which is the root evil of all one shots. No counter play unless there's a telegraph.
I could see increasing the crit multiplier if a target is within sonic arrow area though. Rewards skill and gives opposition fair warning. Actually then makes it a zoning tool as well if people have to worry about the increased threat in the area of affect.
@@Octovolgive it a bright little star on hanzos weapon like widows scope glare and cassidys dead eye
@@thefatherinthecave943 I'm sure I've never been alive long enough to see anything from a widow scope, didn't even know this was a thing! 😅 Except when I'm feeling reckless and peaking with Kiri 😂
@@thefatherinthecave943 what game are you playing because widow does not have scope glint?
Let's describe the hanzo ult change in a way that support players might more easily relate to.
What if the developers thought nano boost needed a buff because nano boosted targets die more often than they would like. So they increase the damage reduction from 50% to 75% but decrease the damage boost the target gets from 50% to 25% for compensation.
Nano today is used in two ways, offensively to engage a fight (think nano winston, nano sojourn ult or nano blade) or defensively to turn a fight after baiting enemy resources (usually nano boosting your tank after they've eaten a lot of cooldowns or an ult). This change would nerf the currently more popular offensive alternative in favor for the defensive one, which is not something the ana community has ever asked for.
The dragon change is in a similar flavor. Hanzo's dragonstrike should be a fast-charging ultimate with low direct value but the ability to deny enemy value (dragon striking an enemy kitsune rush for example) or to set up plays with smart usage. The devs themselves decided that it's not what the hero should have so they nerfed this aspect of it for it to kill more reliably. But killing has never been its primary usage, so why try to strongarm this particular playstyle? Especially when it will just create more animosity for the hero since it feels worse for the few heroes with poor mobility/invulnerability to not have any ways to get out of it in time.
No way you think anyone is reading all that
@@sideeswipeIts 3 paragraphs lmao
@@DDan42That's a novel for internet users
When the focus of the video I'm commenting under is reading out and giving detailed responses to decently sized forum threads, I don't think it's too tonedeaf?
A more accurate example would be Ana or Kiri ult have frame 0 effect (no more cast time, instant full heal/field at max distance) but its duration is reduced by 25%.
Why not lengthen the dragon by 10-25%?
Yo wth are those first comments.. lmao bots battle royal report em
why the fuck does the one have a pie and mouse emoji
Im glad im not the only one that thinks the hanzo change is bad. A faster moving ult is not helpful when you want it to lock one spot down as a zoning tool. If it moves fast, and leaves that area quickly, whats the use in this ult
I actually saw a team survive a dragon grav combo cause of how fast it was. I feel like if they want to keep it this speed either increase the DMG or increase the tick speed
@@dinopower901 or length of the dragons
The thing is theres so much habilities to avoid hanzos dragon, even now that its faster. Most dps has high mobility or scape abilities, same for supports - let alone the suzu and immortality field. So it is better indeed to use the dragon to zone, rather than to try to kill. Btw dragon is one of the weakest ults in the game imo.
he should be able to shoot 2 dragons
@@robsonspinelli7456suzu and lamp do similar nothing against this ult. Same as they do nothing against reaper ult. If you're wholly within the area you're dead unless you're a tank or one of those with an invulnerable escape like Moira, reaper and Mei.
I appreciate it's being used as a zoning tool, maybe that wasn't the intention and it's original design was flawed. Spamzo primary fire is already a zoning tool in of itself lol. Your average 250 health hero still dies almost straight away even with the shorter duration though anyway.
The Hanzo ult change is an overall nerf but I want them to keep moving in this direction with his ult. Dragon is one of the worst ults in the game and having it be a "zoning ult" is so really lame especially when it does that role poorly compared to other zoning ults like Blizzard or Deadeye.
Hanzo is in a bad state imo. He can’t one shot without a pocket, meanwhile echo and widow are one shotting left and right without a pocket. 75% of all heroes have mobility to avoid being caught in his dragon. The whole dps roster practically can avoid it. It was better before this “change”. I can only say I’ve gotten 1-2 kills from a dragon since the patch while playing daily. Not really a kill confirmer.
Hanzo just will never work without one shot, if they don't bring it back just rework him.
Echo doesnt have a 1 shot
That made me "erhm, actually" too haha
Just because you kill someone quickly doesnt mean its a one shot. In certain MUs (widow vs echo) it can be effectively a one shot if they get the drop on them. Hell, hog has never one shot people with his hook technically though. Sure the hook does secure the kill but now there are so many abilities that intterupt his ability to "one shot". Widow is the only heroes that can one shot without help I'm pretty sure. Can't lamp someone in reaction the a hitscan shot. @sergmcmuffin
@@ketchubb Not counting an ultimate or environmental kill, I think there are only two characters who can "one shot":
- Widow can consistently one shot the majority of characters without another player's help.
- Rein's Charge does enough damage against most targets but it is easy to escape or avoid and inconsistent to even pin properly.
@@sergmcmuffinshe has a disgusting combo that will kill any character in the game if fully landed
Hardly anyone is using dragon across the map, its just not effective like that. Hanzo ult is designed as a zoning tool, its a big "eff off" area that does damage and it moving faster makes it less effective. Even if you WANTED to have it crawl across the map, once it reaches where you want it It'll STILL do its job WORSE because it doesnt stay in the area you want it as long. Straight nerf, you either dont play hanzo or are blind
6:18 is that true? because if so, it means Soujorn is doing the same dmg with Rail as before+it does more dmg against armor
is it just 1,5x crits or Hog is also blessed?
I got shattered on Kings row yesterday despite being behind the little wall that is there at the second checkpoint and I was confused
11:40 I know I'm probably not meant to bring Team Fortress 2 here, but when balancing weapons Valve devs admitted that they never expected anyone to reach average skill that was in community at the time. Many years later that level of skill would now feel like fresh install. Community overall always gets smarter and more skilled, no matter the game. If average silver or gold was suddenly transport to on launch OW lobby, they would easily carry most of the games. Map knowlege, character interactions, comp styles, ways you usually play and how you expect enemies to play... It's all figured out now, so overall skill is rising up.
Lúcio can Sound Barrier gravity itself because he is built very different.
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Ehhh it really depends. Sometimes it's good to have a slower moving projectile because that means it covers more ground in that time. But it being faster so helps with the quickness of doing an ult on a rezzing mercy, or doing it from spawn to the point if you're respawning. It goes both ways
Do you play hanzo?
@@bigdood2867 yes... Thats why I'm saying it's situational. Usually I play support but if I play dps I usually play ashe or hanzo. However ever since the health pool buffs across the entire roster I've played him less and less, because getting head shots is not rewarding (unless you have a mercy pocket but that's a different story)
@@bigdood2867🤦♂️
Neither of these options will come up nearly often enough to consider this "buff" anything other than a nerf
@@genesisosuna why I said that is the thought that you can use it against rezzing mercies and spawn dragons which I love to do but they more often than not are a Hail Mary that barely works now imagine right the mercy is dumb enough to Rex in a weird spot where the dragon will reach her before her rez finishes. Literally almost every hero in the game has a way to counter it if the other support helps in the slightest she is saved from the dragon along with anyone else who was on it. The speed up only makes a bad ult worse by reducing the dot at least before if the Suzu or burst heal or nade etc ran out before they escaped they’d die now that isn’t the case
Legit question for the comment section-
Do you guys think the new leaver system is better or worse for qp?
I can't stand it. I get in games where a teammate may throw cause "it's only qp " and have to now wait 10-15 minutes to lose. Or I'll be thrown in as backfill and have to stay the remainder and get stomped or get penalized. This happens more often than not and the streamer take of "it's only a 10 minute game, just power through " is horrible when time is valuable and you only get an hr or 2 to play.
I'm not a fan. I think there should be at least a 4-5 game buffer before getting penalised in an unranked mode called Quick Play. As it stands you it just punishes people who have a good reason to DC or that don't want to stick out an unfun game. As you said, a waste of precious time.
They should definitely fix it. It’s so annoying being forced to play a game where a player already left. In ranked is even worse because yes you can leave after a couple of minutes, but you are still gonna lose SR
I use hanzo ult with my genji due to just soften up the enemy team a little because it’s hard for them to avoid taking a little bit from the dragon and then I sit back and watch genji blade actual kill things.
Eh, Hanzo's ult need actual buff to compensate for current "buff". Grav dragon combo doesn't work as well, and a lot of characters can just walk the combo off
Honestly his ultimate is fine, no one actually used dragon strike to get kills. Hanzo's problem is that his fundamental kit doesn't work because he is a one shot hero without a one shot. Just give the one shot back or rework him.
@@Hsjackowno his ultrasound is not fine it should get kills and with this new “buff” it makes the zoning worse they did this specifically to make it get kills because they don’t wanna buff his kit cause noobs are getting mad that he can one shot
Bap doesn't have a "get out" ability. His lamp can save himself, but only temporarily. His jump doesn't save him most times because he has to charge it up by crouch walking, which just has him die. I switch to LW when I'm getting hard dove, because he a vertical and lateral movement (with heals). Unfortunately he also isn't that good in other regards. I think Kiri is better but I haven't put time in that character yet either.
7:20 I think the question here is why it can destroy lamp AND kill a player at the same time, not just why it can hit lamp. And I don't think it does? Afaik you have to destroy lamp with one use of the ult to then be able to kill a player with the next use, although that could be tested... Maybe since it's moving, if lamp is closer to Venture than you maybe it destroys lamp and then hits you (killing you)
The background music kind of sounds like the Rugrats theme song haha
They have got to fix Hanzo. It’s so frustrating that Hanzo is in the state that he is in, and rather than slightly raising his damage, they give us a change that nobody ever asked for, not even one single person, and is also a net nerf. why?
hanzo ult fuhken sucks now. karq's answer is from a person who doesn't play him often. he's my main dps and it sucks in WAY more situations than the "speed to target" benefits.
however, the armor changes WERE a buff to hanzo. I'm finding it much easier to burst down tanks with armor now.
@@manlymanmann7592 I hope that's not where blizzard wants him though, I don't want to mindlessly spam arrows into tanks. That is just a boring play style.
@@HsjackowI agree no one plays Hanzo to shoot the tank all day thats a horrible outcome for the Hero. But honestly he gets more value shooting the tank over shooting squishies because they don’t die to him and 3 bodyshots to kill a 250 hp target is unacceptable
@manlymanmann7592 I main junk with hanzo a close second with hundreds of hours (I love projectiles 🙃), i absolutely agree with you here and kar is just not familiar enough with the character to accurately weigh in on this one.
@@tiam9465 Yep, hanzo just gets outclassed by every other heroes that do similar things, sojourn, widow, ashe, cass. It just feels so bad to play him as it feels like nothing ever dies to you. It's bad.
Ngl, it's extremely unlikely but I had the exact same situation happen to me as the ana, bap post about lamp. but I was the venture, it's highly unlikely but if it was on the sublevel map of antarctica that might have been me
People need to accept that Dragonstrike has, and always will be, a ZONING ult. Sure. you have potential wombo combos like with a Zarya grav, but the dragon is better suited for zoning the enemy team rather than trying to eat up all enemies in one swoop.
Can we rename this series to chungus tuesdays
dragon isn't really that hard to avoid either way. you'd have to catch someone in order to kill them in any of the decent ranks. if you're using it as a zoning tool then just go torb. he has a better zoning ult and fulfills the same purpose of choke spam/control especially without Hanzo oneshot he's not as strong
ana only has 1 sleep dart. if 3 dive you its not a skill issue that u swap, its a game design thing.
6:43 exactly what I argue about with one of my friend, like they're convinced I should heal more (we're both silver lmao so we got pretty bad takes xD). I'm usually a dps main but enjoy playing supports like zen and ana every once in a while (tried illari too, and she's mostly fun but I really don't like her timing based primary fire) and I have a tendency to lean too heavily on the damaging side, like with zen I can't really do shit to heal people if my harmony orb is already on them so it's okay, but as ana oh boy, if I have to chose between healing one of my dps or securing a kill on the enemy backline I'll be willing to let said dps die lmao. I picked up kiri lately and it's the ana situation but like even worse ('cause no nade to help my second supp heal more)
Which means my friend (who is a support main) has to take care of most of the healing needs (and reminder we're silver, most people down there are fricking mad lads who got no care for their lives what so ever, so they die and then blame supps for it lmao) and they're struggling to keep everyone alive. I tend to agree with them on the fact I maybe should heal more, but on the other side we win most of those games so I don't really know xD
11:47 THIS LMAO xD Like as I said I'm currently somewhere around high silver, I think I could make it to gold or something if I played comp a bit more or if took it more seriously, but my rank climbing arc is way behind me and I just wanna play with friends and have fun so I don't really care what rank I am as long as I can do just that. I managed to hit high plat on ow1 and I swear I'm waaaaaay better now than I was back then xD
Let's break this hanzo nerf down so everyone can understand it. Let's say the devs wanted Moira to land her orbs easier so they sped up the travel time across the board. It's faster to get to a target and faster when attached. So sure it might get to the target faster, but since the orb is doing damage as it's attached and only as it's attached its an overall nerf as that's a decrease in potential damage. Hanzo's dragons operate the same way, the damage per tick was NOT increased in any way it only MOVES faster so even on stationary targets the damage you'll be doing is decreased across the board. It is no way a buff, everything the ult was good for has lost it's potency, the only way this was "buffed" is when a bronze player wants to launch it off at spawn hoping to get kills on obj when most objectives are either moving or are too wide to get any REAL value. There is no kill confirming with it, because that's not what it's USED for. Overall nerf, you'd be stupid to think it's a buff
Issue with the Hanzo Ult is that this change was specifically a change that was somewhat long-range since its more noticable there.
Close range its just a flat nerf due to faster movement meaning less damage ticks and worse zoning and I feel like that was when Hanzos Ult was used. You played semi close range to midrange and use it to zone off either a flank or deny important abilities to get an opportunity for as long as possible. Now Hanzo will have to go and time his Ult even more than already to become a halfway decent mechanic in the game.
You may be able to snipe a rezzing mercy, but thats a hard maybe considering Rez takes around 2 seconds with the GA to the body, but Hanzos Ult wont catch that window anyway with how long the startup is.
They should've either kept the proj. speed but decreased the animation window of the shot, or made the dragons longer and faster.
No. You do not zone people to “hopefully kill them”. You do exactly as it says. You move them out of the way/prevent them from taking or holding a certain position.
Why would you want to prevent them from taking or holding a certain position if it doesn't increase your odds of winning the fight?
@@SamuraiPipotchi to distrubt the fight say there is 2 support you pop the ult to block them from there team there for making it difficult for them to heal and support and you or your team killing them same goes for the tank or dps you can also block and area like point with dragon well you use to
@@commandoghost5883 That's another example of increasing the odds of you winning the fight though.
You disrupt the healers because it makes it easier to kill people.
@@SamuraiPipotchi You zone people to get map control. You can win the game if the entire enemy team is alive and fighting as long as they aren't touching the objective. You don't need to kill the enemy team to win the fight, you just need to force the off the objective long enough that they run out of time.
@@ellysemilton1309 That only works because you're threatening to kill them though.
Any decent player isn't going to give you that free space if your ult isn't likely to end in their death and any decent player will choose dying on point over giving you the win without killing them.
Hot take: in a hero shooter like ow, chars shouldn't be able to 1 shot, and most shouldn't be able to 2 shot.
Hanzo was already strong, and his ult almost never fails to secure elims in my games, so I'm not upset about it being indirectly nerfed.
I completely stopped playing overwatch because 3 of my favorite dps suck useless or just turn into a spam bot like hanzo,junkrat,ginje tank still isn’t fun giving tank more health and other things won’t change anything and support just isn’t fun anymore sense the dps passive got increased to 20% it’s like the devs are shooting themself in the foot
Does the first guy not know about Baps Crouch?
The devs really like calling nerfs reworks. And yes, I'm still mad at the moira "rework".
use zen ult for tempo?not in plat
karq plays osrs??
Per Arrge, yes the hanzo “buff” is actually a nerf.
The skill of the game has a bigger spread. The best players are better than they were, and there are more new players who know nothing in a game that has more characters and maps and interactions.
remember when they buffed reinhardt's damage? it was actually a nerf.
To explain, they buffed the damage of his hammer from 80 damage to 100 damage. however they increased the health of every hero. this means the number of swings to kill anyone is still the same. However his fire strike wasn't increased, therefore it didn't keep up with the health buff, therefore overall prebuff rein was stronger then post buff rein.
Is Marvels Rivals Overwatch killer like Battleborn, Lawbreakers and Paladins?
i’ve been looking for a reason to stop playing overwatch so if rivals is good i think i’ll move there
You cannot look at this hanzo change as anything other than a nerf.
Actually you can lol
He is trash anyways, just a niche character to use when you feel it could work. Junkrat is in the same place, they are terrible without their one shot potential
@@runaway74 you'd be blind or ignorant then
Are players better now:
Yeah, blizzard successfully moved a lot players base from Gold to Masters/GM by one tricking Orisa / Mauga/ Sojourn/ Kiriko
Dragon strike should maintain the same total damage, but have the damage tick 25% faster to go along with the 25% faster speed of the dragon. This would make dragonstrike a lot more bursty of an ult and maybe increase its kill potential. However, none of that really matters if dragonstrike still can't destroy deployables
Am I the only one out here begging KarQ to use some moisturizer on his lips.
I think you’re the only one looking at his lips
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Give hanzo his one shot back. Just add fall off damage. That is all he needs
As a Hanzo one shot hater I support this compromise
But that wouldn’t be consistent with other projectiles. I think that’s ok but blizzard apparently does not.
I'm ok with that but it depends on how far away the fall off is though. At a certain range it becomes almost impossible to land a consistent headshot anyways so it feels kinda pointless?
I say make sonic arrow a one shot
I think if it was a simple 1 shot it would feel bad but I do like the idea of changing sonic arrow damage. Maybe less base dmg with a dot for the duration and if u headshot, the combined dmg is 250, or slightly more than that
"BUT HANZO WITH ONE SHOT IS SO OP"
meanwhile*
Proceeds to be on the middle of the fucking lane like a bird looking for scraps
Gets headsot*
FUCKING HANZO IS OP
Bro they killed my character and now the people's with worse positioning keep fucking living with 10 hp as they gallop away.
You claim they're in the middle of the lane, with bad positioning. But you also say they're getting away before you can secure the kill by hitting one more shot
Interesting
@@mr.parker8014 yeah? What so hard to understand
They get shot and run away
Get healed and go back
Now with the knowledge that a Hanzo is firing at them
Killing unsuspecting targets is usually easier because they're strafing a different target
When they straf you it becomes difficult to hit especially with projectile not to mention headshot
They should give him a melee/new ability that throws a low damage kunai or some shit so he can immediately follow up for the kill.
@@mr.parker8014 wth man. Hanzo is a bad character rn. Should he one shot? No imo. Should he have something else that allows him to secure the kill? Sure, he deserves that. Not being able to finish targets off when you only shoot once a sec is a drag.
@@mr.parker8014why is that so hard to understand😂 hanzo is projectile so there is a travel time to his arrow and it also takes time to charge them. You land the first arrow, but by the time you finish charging the second one, they are likely behind cover because your rate of fire is so low. This is the case because he is designed to be a one shot character
Karq definitely never played hanzo with these takes
The level of anti hanzo bias was insane in this video. Because he's projectile and somewhat mobile relative to widow he shouldn't one shot. He can't be as suffocating as widow at range because he's projectile and that's a point against him? Then their's his survivability which barring storm arrow he's an incredibly easy target to dive and assassinate. He's in a horrible state alongside several other projectile dps and instead of fixing these characters to add variety we let them rot in the pit.
They've completely ruined Hanzo's identity. It's actually sad. They need to bring back his one shot. It's ridiculous that Widow can still one shot, but they gutted Hanzo. I also disagree that Widow is more vulnerable. Widow's movement ability is way better than Hanzo's. If you bait out storm arrow, Hanzo is way more diveable.
Wtf are you smoking? Widow has longer burst mobility, but it is over TWICE the cooldown that Hanzo's mobility cd is. Plus, Hanzo can literally wallclimb.
@@X19Virus half the roster can wall climb lmao hanzo’s dash goes like two feet in either direction. Literally any dive tank can punish that. Widow can completely relocate on a 12 second cooldown. Shorter cooldown doesn’t mean the ability is automatically better.
@@chiefinasmith"half the roster"
You mean hanzo, Genji and Kiri? I'd spend less time worrying about overwatch and more time brushing up on your math skills😂😂
@@runaway74 “I’ll comment on obvious hyperbole because I don’t have an actual argument.” A substantial amount of heroes in the game have vertical mobility. Is that worded better for you?
Difference is that bad hanzos dont have to aim to get one shots. It ruins lower level lobbies and creates more randomness and is unfun to play against. Until they address that unfun factor, they cannot bring back his one shot.
Hanzo Been nerfed over and over again bruh... 😢
Doesnt the Hanzo ult speed also increase tick rate and in turn damage?
They didn’t increase the tick rate, so he lost 200 damage on his ult actually
@@Niros11 if they stay in the same spot and tank all of it
I'd say with how sweaty people get in QP, the best way to learn heroes well is to force them in QP. Never swap off the hero you're trying to learn and whenever something doesn't work, try a different approach. The only way to improve is to adapt. Also seriously just turn off chat, people *will* complain even though it's qp.
Ngl, hanzo hs being gone has made the game a lot more fun for me. Atleast with widow, soj, ashe, or cass I know they actually meant to hit me and I can sight line them effectively. With hanzo 1 shot, it felt like there was like a 1/3 chance youd die randomly every fight. Taking a dual with hanzo felt like flipping a coin. Game would be in a decent spot if hog orisa mauga and kiriko were just as bad as hanzo tbh. I honestly minded junk 1 shot less than hanzo 1 shot. Just my opinion though.
I get it, depending on what heroes you play, hanzo hs being gone can definitely feel better. As a hanzo player it definitely don't feel good for me lol. Honestly, the problem is not that they are unwilling to return the one shot to hanzo. The problem is that they are almost unwilling to make any changes to make the character viable besides speeding up his dragon, which honestly did little to nothing. I just hope they make hanzo more viable in anyway, either by returning the one shot or a complete rework.
@Hsjackow I could see that. I think his old state was fun for hanzo players but not fun for anyone else like dps doom. Honestly, if they either lowered the fire rate, projectile size or just added a damage falloff for the arrows I could live with 1 shot coming back. Regardless of how they do it, there would need to be more delibracy to prevent spammy 1 shots across the map. Either way I agree it's stupid that they removed his 1 shot but gave him nothing in return.
@@apowers2862 just in my opinion, the best solution would be to lower his projectile hitbox and bring back to one shot. I'm honestly ok with them taking away from his other abilities to make him weaker that way. I just don't think hanzo without a one shot could ever be good. Even if they rework him, he might just still be a worse version of torb.
Here's an idea of what they could do: Change his base damage to 125 and reduce his headshot multiplier to x1.5 so he can twoshot bodyshot again but his headshots only do 187.5 damage (keeping it out of mercy damage boost oneshot range).
Hanzo then gets a new ability that he can apply to his next arrow (like how you can apply sonic). That arrow will have x2.5 headshot multiplier (allowing you to oneshot mei and reaper as well). If the arrow gets a kill (regardless of headshot, or bodyshot), the effect persists for your next arrow as well. This will persist until you either fire an arrow that doesn't kill (either by missing, hitting a bodyshot on a target with more than 125 hp or hitting a headshot on a tank that has too much health to die from the arrow) or you haven't fired your bow for 5 seconds.
You could probably remove storm arrow and Hanzo's new playstyle would be high risk high reward, where extremely accurate Hanzo players could potentially solo teamwipe an enemy team if they hit every headshot back-to-back with less than 5 seconds between every arrow. But if an enemy outstrafes or uses an ability to live, you can shut the Hanzo down. It would also not be broken vs tanks since the ability ends if the first shot into them doesn't kill them.
Hanzo was def a nerf
Only use for it was zoning a tank off now it moves faster so its zones less
Idk what they were smoking with that one
Hanzo needs a rework. On his firerate if he can’t one tap he should 2 tap body at least or faster fire rate
Widow is more vulnerable? All Hanzo has over widow is 50 more health. Widow has grapple, more range and hitscan. Delete widow from the game.
50 more hp, widow ult on cooldown, dash, wall climb, storm arrow (still overtuned). Ngl hanzo has alot more outside of his removed 1 shot than widow does. All of widows cooldowns are harsh and relatively low impact. She has a big head hitbox. Her ult is arguably worse. In general she is much more vulnerable, predictable, and counterable than hanzo. Widow doesn't have an ability that can basically kill any tank from full health on a cooldown. So yes, she is more vulnerable. If a winston or ball dives her she is helpless, atleast hanzo can do enough dmg to defend himself.
@@apowers2862Let's not forget that Hanzo's arrow can remain charged during his jump animation and lunge ability while Widow unscopes. Plus Widow has to drastically reduce her FOV in order to charge the one shot.
She even moves slower than Hanzo while they're charged.
Unironically delete widow she needs a rework so ridiculously bad and always has.
One shot hitscan characters shouldn't have *any* mobility
@@teejay1646 Rather get oneshot by someone who had to intentionally headshot me than someone who randomly spammed at headlevel down a lane from across the map. If widow's so broken why is her winrate bottom 4 for dps in every rank lmao. Not a single rank where hanzos win rate is lower.
terrible opinion on 6v6 and terrible opionion on the hanzo nerf... sad to see.
Crutch picks
Damage- Soldier 76 Reaper Bastion
Tank- Orisa Mauga Hog
Support- Moira Mercy Kiriko
Lol
Lmao even
They should make hanzo a hit scan and give him his one shot back
him having a hitscan one shot would make him even better than he was before and just better widow
Crazy name
@@PrestonCow Lol, I think he is just making a joke about how widow has the one shot and Hanzo's pre-season 9 projectile hitbox.
Projectile is life.
But one shot yes.
I’ve seen more hanzo ult kills in the last 2 days than I have in the last 2 months
The devs have always favored hanzo since the nerfs he’d get were mild and fair and the nerfs they would give him that might be more substantial always got reverted. Hanzo players should look at what sym has gone through and cope with their ult buff
Worst take hands down
I think Hanzos dragon is a buff, I used to dodge his dragons on easy because how slow they were, now I die more from dragons because its fast
Hanzo's ult was nerfed. Any argument for the contrary smells of shilling.
Nah karq... That hanzo take was cooked. Atleast u sounded very intelligent as normal, but you spewed a bunch of bullshit on that topic. Sort of how politicians answer questions. The answer was : sorry i dont know enough about hanzo to comment on this. Hanzos buffed ult is indeed a nurf