I'm pretty sure Pat has said he takes breaks between larger projects to focus on something smaller, decent chance he was working on this before the Skyrim video dropped.
24:58 "Do you know stormtroopers only land 77 percent of blaster shots?" This is clearly written by someone that doesn't know shit about combat or guns. 77% is an AMAZING ratio.
I really gotta blame the FPS franchises that push their customers into constantly buying the newer, mildly different version for why people think they need to buy the new version of a shooter even if its worse in every way except graphics
are the FPS franchises really to blame when they're just catering to what FPS customers are willing to buy in FAR greater numbers compared to less exploitative games? Producers make what sells, and nobody is forcing anyone to buy looter shooter #37 over the hundreds of other games that provide greater value for their price tag. The second that blatant, lazy exploitation stops being profitable, it will disappear into the wind like it was never here, as evidenced by BFII itself, which completely scrapped lootboxes and retooled its entire content development plan for the game upon the microtransactions being rejected. We don't pay, the exploitation evaporates. We have all the power. So who is really to blame for the state of the industry?
MOBAs are also trash for their monetization, embracing lootbox system and difficulty to unlock new characters. And people somehow forgive them more cause they are "free-to-play", ignoring that some skins give you tactical advantage due to the particle effects and harder visibility of AoE.
I really like 2017's multiplayer, it's tone and the clone wars series, but man hearing that clip from 2005 hit me hard. It had such a simple story but voice over gave it such depth
I have so many memories of playing og Battlefront with my dad (the very first one) it was the only video game he could ever get into with me but we had countless hours of fun playing the first two games. I still remember laughing maniacally while abusing Yoda’s force pull/force push on my dad, if you never did this, Yoda could basically perma stun people by continuously pushing, pulling, repeat.😂
@@incognitoman3656 yea the first battlefront really was the goat, I remember you could command AI squad members a lot easier and get a little group following you. It was also before they introduced playing as heroes and instead they would show up as unstoppable machines of death whenever a team starts losing, I remember being so proud of myself when I managed to kill death Vader by throwing a grenade and making him fall into the abyss on Bespin.
I love how you made it the same length and everything. "I was like didn't he upload this like a year ago??" Than immediately started giggling. I bet you cooked up another good one lets gettit
Imagine being a stormtrooper and some woman comes CHARGING at you with a lightsaber, whilst screaming "Are you offering me a job?!?!" aka, the weirdest battlecry you have ever heard, in all your years of service.
Props to going out of the way to review a mod, the mod community is one thing 2017 definitely has going for it. I have roughly 80 hours in the game, and like 60 of those are spent just grinding co-op missions because I found the mode was really fun. It reminded me a lot of intense moments in 2005 where multiple AI are trying to take a point from you, so I enjoyed a chance to get a concentrated version of that gameplay loop with some human partners as a plus. It's a shame maps aren't cross-era, and the campaign was a huge let down since they hyped up being the Empire, only to have you change sides pretty fast. In the state is is, I still vastly prefer 2005, but 2017 is still a solid game.
The mods for BF2EA are really good, but like 90% of them are just reskins or add new heroes and classes, barely any add new maps or modes or overhauls stuff like the space battles to be more interesting. There's not even a mod that adds a way to play Galactic Assault in singleplayer. To this day it's exclusively multiplayer, and if you can't find a server with enough people then you're shit out of luck Jimbo, better play something else. Much like the game itself, the mods are limited and never really reach their full potential
23:25 cinder wasn’t just a game event, they had to address it because it was in a 2015 comic book first. Most of the events in the main campaign were either done in the game to show gameplay for the other modes, or because it had to be addressed lore wise since this story takes place during at least 4-5 pieces of post Episode 6 existing story
Holy shit, someone who criticizes Disney for bringing Palpatine back for TROS, while also being aware they took the idea right from the old continuity and knows the Legends Imperial military machine was built to deal with the extra galactic threat of the Yuuzhan Vong? Didn't think I could appreciate your stuff more but there it is. Now if only UA-cam had notified me about this video when you posted it.
Battlefront 2 2017: Okay multiplayer, lackluster single player, terrible campaign, 40$ Battlefront 2 2005: Great multiplayer, Great Single Player, Great Campaign, 10$ Imma stick with the original. Not to mention the 2005 modding scene is still going strong.
12:02 "The empire couldn't figure out that the rebels were on the first floor." Well, it's entirely in line with Canon, since the Empire "Doesn't know what way 'up' is" in Disney Wars Episode 3 (misnamed as Episode 9).
Pat your content is always fantastic and pulls great quotes from a number of fantastic sources. I can only hope that my attempts to begin making video essays on video games will stand out from the pack half as much as your content
@29:08 For those who are curious, Aftermath is also incredibly bad, and is every bit as disjointed and nonsensical as everything else involved with the Sequels. And honestly, it's kind of amazing they've managed to do such a bad job, since this is a setting where you can get away with having a random short order cook tell someone where to find exotic assassination darts and have everybody just roll with it.
"Aftermath is also incredibly bad" That is the understatement of the millennia. I struggle to think of worse books. Any random commenter here is a better writer than chuck wendig.
I didnt think it was all that terrible. Hardly ground breaking, but i was interested in bits. Maybe it was because Marc Thompson is a hero level narrator, but i thought it was okay. My biggest issue with any of those early books is how irrelevant they become. Every mention of Snoke in the Leia book, completely pointless now.
It might actually be worse than much of what is in the sequels. Perhaps not as character assassination heavy, but for sheer setting destruction? Holy fuck.
EA wanted to drop this game so fast after being forced to support it like a game that came out 10 years before with free DLC, patches. Greivous had lines for Ahsoka and Padme in the files and their excuse was "we recorded them in case we decided to make new DLC". Yeah, ok. It turned out to be a fun game within the last year or two of it's life. Battlefield 1 was sloughed pretty bad at release, especially with it's... inaccuracies (even by normies in 2016). But compared to what came out since it's considered one of the better modern Battlefield games.
This got me wanting to play BF2 for the first time, but moreso I appreciate the minor insights into your personal beliefs leaking out of the tiny gaps in what I'm sure is a septic tank of an ideology. Keep it coming!
@@tf6026 He has his discord linked in his channel about. Check it out, see his politics channel. See the people he actively gave roles that declare a close kinship and you can guage what he's like by their opinions. Wisely he has it set up to where all the discord chats auto-delete after a period of time so its hard to catch him saying shit but I've been in the server for a few years and he has said some insane shit.
The lack of creativity in the Sequel trilogy is painfully evident in the Starfighter mode: Where Prequel and Original Trilogies get 3 classes of 'Infantry' starfighters, the ST gets just two per faction, and they're nearly identical in appearance and function to the OT vehicles. Where PT and OT have hero starfighters like Darth Maul, Yoda, Luke Skywalker, ST gets... Tallie Lintra, Poe, Rey, and Kylo, all once again using fighters near in appearance to what the infantry is using. When someone like Tallie Lintra, who doesn't even have 40 seconds of screentime in the one movie she's in, gets a slot... you know something's wrong.
I know this would be a lot to ask but you've covered a number of my favorite games and you seem to know about another series I love and I'd really like to see a review or play through of the thief series. Thank you for the literal days of entertainment you've provided.
What is your thoughts on Republic Commando, if you've played it? Would love a Kotor break down if you would be up for it. That aside, love your videos, replaying morrowind and having a blast.
This just makes me want to play the "classic" battlefront II, it has to be said tho... gosh those graphics are gorgeous. If only we could get an actual no BS facelift of the original game. Keep the mechanics the same but make it look that pretty and I'd be sooo in.
@@NoStereo never gonna happen unless its fan made. it would be an industry shaking move to do it. Age of Empires II got it done, but thats an entirely different niche
Vardos inngeneral is quite a cool location, brualism, dark deco, bits of imperial naval assets we're more familiar with. It would actually work well as Bastion from the EU.
Finally someone who gave this game a fair shot... Ive been with game since beta seen the ups and downs. The op skywalkers, the "crashed speeder" drodika fiasco, the maul can block game ruined shinanigins, and finally "our vision is complete" even though empire era supremacy launched with no boarding sequence. No one else ive seen has really been fair to this game even though it has Its faults. Keep it up you've quickly became my favorite reviewer on youtube because of the work you put into every game you review.
I was able to get this game for 5 dollars on sale a couple years ago. It was really sad when they stopped updating the game. It really grew into itself in the later years of its life. I still love this game.
0:50 I’m so happy to see someone say this. It’s like Ubisoft’s push with “A Ubisoft Original” Like we all know it’s nothing special, you pump out games from your sub-divisions like it’s going out of style
With all the shows Disney has been pumping out lately, the Season model would've worked so well with BFII in its current state. Bad Batch season with unlockable heroes for the whole squad, a Mandalorian season with all those new characters, same for BoBF (for whatever that's worth, that show was pretty bad) Crossover event with Fallen Order and let people play as Cal Kestis and Trilla? Yes please. It boggles the mind that they'd just abandon the game right as it was getting good, and they finally engendered some good will with the fan base. Hell it's a damn near war crime we don't have a Captain Rex skin for the Arc Trooper. Same for Squadrons. Most people liked it, but if you had added a PVE mode set in the Clone Wars, I'd be playing that non stop.
The fact that its easier and more fun to play multiplayer on the OG Battlefront 2 on Steam is hillarious to me, they created and inferior copy for many time the budget for nothing.
17:05 I’ll tell you that “in the now” you crack jokes with your buddies down range. It’s never a bad time for lighthearted humor. But in hindsight when recounting for everything, it’s a much more serious headspace. Idk if that makes any sense.
2:47 ohhhhhh, that explains why they removed the micros-transactions. I always thought it was weird for EA to get less greedy just because people complained. But if it LOST them money, it makes perfect sense!
As usual with Star Wars stories, any story people want to tell has already been told, and has likely been told far more competently within the now non-canon Expanded Universe. In this case, yes, Star Wars already has the story of a character who was a former Imperial Special Forces soldier who eventually defects to the Rebellion. That is the story of Crix Madine, and he appears or is mentioned constantly in the Expanded Universe. He appears as far back as Dark Forces, and has lines of dialog in all three Rogue Squadron games, as well as too many EU novels to name. He DOES appear in Return of the Jedi, but he only gets a backstory in the EU.
Gotta say, you reviewing this weirdass community game mode that isn't actually in the game was seriously confusing. As someone who hasn't played this game it's hard to figure out what are critiques against the products and what are critiques against what sounds like a battlefront version of a Nuzlocke.
As a multiplayer main I absolutely adore 2017 and I think it's both visually and mechanically awesome. But I totally agree about the SP content being very lackluster. And while it has its distinguishing features, 2017 has taken a pretty standardized route as an FPS and doesn't have the bold decisions of 2005 such as hangar landings and health-packs>regen. Some of my best videogame memories of all time are of infiltrating the enemy ship and planting bombs on crucial hardware. Being able to independently mount those kinds of optional plans to take advantage of enemy weakpoints, excecuting sneaky or bold moves using your own opportunism and imagination... there's too little of that these days. I feel like multiplayer games have generally become super streamlined in order to bridge the gap between casuals and hardcores so games can cast as wide a net as possible.
I played the original Battlefront for hundreds of hours when it first came out, that game defined my childhood. When the new Battlefront came out a few years ago I was so excited, I played it for probably 40 hours and got bored. To this day I still fire up the original Battlefront and Battlefront 2, they're great with mods too!
Tfw you realise Squad* modders made a better Battlefront II experience with their alpha than the official release of Battlefront II EA is even today. Maybe the EA logo in the title isn't Electronic Arts but Early Access? *battlefield derived game which isn't exactly easy to mod
12:10 To be fair, that's kind of the situation in the Sequel Trilogy, isn't it? Episode VII: The First Order instantly obliterates the New Republic. Episode VIII: The Resistance is reduced to just the crew of one capital ship hiding in a cave. Episode IX: A Resistant fleet FINALLY shows up, way after it was needed.
Regarding people liking the prequel era: The prequel movies weren't good, but they had lots of cool world-building ideas (clone troopers vs droids, jedi order at its height of power, etc, etc) that people enjoyed. George was always good at that stuff. The books and comics set during the prequel era were awesome. Good writers did great work with the setting. Ulic Qel-Droma will always be one of my favorite star wars characters and he was a fucking comic book character. The sequels have... nothing even close, as far as I can tell.
Well, George was a relatively creative hack, who enjoyed money. Disney is just rooms of hacks that enjoy money. I'm not a Star Wars fan, but its pretty clear that the prequels were at least trying to be competitive with pushing the visual department forward (mainly as narcissistic competition) while Disney was just pushing the soft spots on everyone's skulls labeled "nostalgia", which is almost always gross and undesirable in most art forms. (edit: lmao, thirty seconds in before nostalgia is mentioned)
From what I understand, Disney basically ubisofted all the assets of Lucas films that weren't their animation department and skywalker sound, and starting from the ground up. It's understandable to drop the license from dark horse since they own marvel and they don't want to support a rival comic company and make money directly from thier star wars comics, but liquidating Lucas arts was travesty. The fact the sequel trilogy was always planned to be tennis rather then one directors vision meant tie in material was always doomed. You couldn't do anything fun like the Clone Wars extended brand era between flims 2 and films 3 to tell interesting stories and hype up revenge of the sith.
Of all the problems with the sequel era stuff, the lack of cool new designs for soldiers or vehicles is the strangest. The prequels had a great balance of fresh designs and remixes of OT stuff that was still different enough to be interesting, while the sequels had nothing but the same old X-wings and stormtroopers just tweaked a tiny bit. You don't have to be able to write a good story to design a cool ship. A giant company like Disney shouldn't have stumbled at the cool ship step.
Finished listening to the Skyrim video Friday on my drive home from work. About to drive home today, didn’t know what I was gonna listen to. Thanks Pat.
Hey Pat, if you have Squad there's an awesome mod on there called Galactic Contention that you might really enjoy. Its a total conversion that changes the game into Star Wars, complete with classes, combined arms, etc, mixed with Squad gameplay stylings. The fact its a fan mod, made for free, is even more amazing and shows just how good these games can be if effort and love is put into them.
Thanks for this review! I’ve been leery about SW Battlefield II ever since the original lootbox controversy. Any hope I had for it died when my friend bought me a copy of SW Battlefield I as a joke Christmas gift, and we played it for half an hour before determining that it was total garbage (aside from the SW aesthetics). But this game looks like it’s improved a lot since launch, so if it’s on super-sale this season, maybe I’ll give it a go! Also, I love most about the cringey Han Solo sequence is that some writer took the “never tell me the odds” quote as Han literally hating the concept of probability (not just hating 3PO) and thought it would be the pinnacle of Star Wars in-jokes to include a character who only talks in probabilities and percentages.
An EA double feature considering the next video? This makes me wonder if you're going to cover kingdoms of amalur since you said you wanted to do so on indigo's podcast.
It still to this day amazes me how quickly EA/DICE decided to drop support for BF2 in favor of BF2042 right when the game had a second life with the Celebration Update. The game easily could've had another year or two of content updates but not even 6 months after the Celebration Update they would drop support to develop BF2042 all together.
There is no evidence that Emperor had made plans to use the Death Star against the Vong. He probably would have but it is pure speculation that he built it to defend against the Vong.
Yeah I've never really liked this explanation, it's never mentioned in the movies and has nothing to do with the story Star Wars was trying to tell. Tarkin makes it pretty clear they built it so the Empire's reign could never be opposed, not because they're waiting for a fucking Reaper invasion. Not to mention the Death Star was made to destroy planets, what planets would the Vong even have if they're an extra-galactic threat? Even if the Death Star was actually meant to destroy entire fleets, we all saw how that panned out in Return of the Jedi, so really the Vong reason just doesn't make any sense the more you think about it.
It's because there isn't. Palpatine was aware of the Vong (He learns this around the time of Outbound flight) but the idea of the Deathstar isn't related to that (Tarkin actually brings the idea to him) Pat gets shit wrong whenever he talks about the EU, really shoots his arguements in the foot. (Especially when he tries to dunk on new canon for having books explain things...Even though a fuck ton of the old EU did the same goddamn thing with the original movies and when some things contradicted others)
Pat has mentioned before in streams that he didn’t own KotOR growing up, so he’s less inclined to dump a bunch of hours into reviewing a game(s) he has no connection to, when others have already covered them both in depth. I love those games to death, but they haven’t aged perfectly, and I’d argue KotOR II takes the TSLRCM and at least two playthroughs to truly enjoy the story.
I still say The Last Jedi is a great standalone Star Wars film, but other than that I agree. I will say in many respects my favorite thing about 2017 is the visuals. That isn't the back-handed compliment it sounds like. Everything in the game, from the models, the textures, and the effects look so true to Star Wars that one can easily become immersed into the battle. It's the most authentic looking Star Wars game ever made. It isn't the best by a long shot, but I'm glad they brought it up to a pretty good place by the end.
"no one ever when to E" thats a deep cut brother but I remember, thats the best map in that game! also set up a paypal, I dont want to set up a subscription unless I script it myself!
I had never played the originals but I was still excited when this game was announced. I even hopped on the beta to try it out. Needless to say, I was so disappointed by it that decided not to buy it. The beta experience was constantly dying from different unpredictable angles and respawning right in the middle of everything to die 10 seconds later. The game was beautiful, but I was not immersed in it at all due to the poor gameplay. Worst thing is, I was exactly the target audience for that game: a 17 year old Battlefield 4 player - and Dice/EA still managed to miss out on my “almost guaranteed” purchase.
I actually played EA's battlefront 2 first. Me and my brother loved it. Then a few months ago I got the OG battlefront 2 and DANG, the OG is so much better. Loved the video
Oooooooh, I see what you did with the time and the thumbnail there. I'm just watching the other Battlefront 2 review right now. That's a power move. Also, you rebounded from the Skyrim video fast. I presume that this was in concurrent production.
Battlefront 2, made by Pandemic: A game filled with love, care and clear respect for the source material while still making one of the most iconic and fun shooter games of the 2000s era. Battlefront 2, made by EA: A game, kind of. But hey at least you can give EA more money :D
Also I may be biased because Pandemic made some of my favorite games of all time and EA more or less canned them. But still, the new game is fun with friends every now and then but as a shooter i never opened it up by myself, unlike the original which i still play from time to time.
That doesn't seem to be a fair thing to say considering the original was an unbalanced mess with AI that often didn't work properly while the new one is stupid pretty. I don't even know how they got graphics that realistic looking. It actually goes back around because anytime you see an object clip or player lag it becomes quite disturbing. Obviously graphics =/= games but my point is people obviously cared a lot about nubattlefront. I don't know why people repeat this weird cliche about any piece of art they don't like as if they were there or something.
@@drifter402 They did put some effort into it, but it lacks the soul the original had. Sure it wasn't perfect, but at launch it was a far better product then the new release. That's why I said its not the worst game by any measure, it just doesn't live up to its predecessor.
I've only started playing DICE's Battlefront 2 relatively recently (got the Celebration Edition for free on EGS), but I have to say, there are things that it does better than the original, and there are things it does worse. The improved graphics are good (and I'm not even much into graphics), I like the class system a bit better, and some of the maps have cool details like the CIS "octopus" droids\ ships landing on and falling off of the Kamino domes, and I do like the minimal character customization. The things that I hate are: the map selection menu is a pain in the arse, the fact that you can choose weapons regardless of whether or not they make sense era- or side-wise (imperial blasters for droids? wot?), all the extra gear\ abilities are just annoying ("cards", amirite?), heroes spawn regardless of whether or not they should be on a map (for example, in one instant action game I've had like 10 heroes running around the map and they were from different factions and periods in-universe, and it wasn't even hero deathmatch!), and I hate the overheating weapons. The singleplayer campaign was alright, but I hated that it forced you play as the main movie characters, and that the protagonist switched sides after like, two missions. I was hoping we'll be able to properly play as an imperial.
I would have respected the story if they would have had Iden be evil. No change of heart or redemption, just let her be bad. It wouldn’t be much, but it would feel like the story actually had some teeth.
I was watching some of your old videos and I think you mentioned you were from the pacific northwest? If so, me too. I'm from Oregon. Your videos are great BTW keep doing what your doing.
I was someone who played 2017s beta and played launch day. I never really felt the star cards were that broken in the way a lot of reviewers said they were. I played it a lot, all the way until the last update. I had a lot of fun but it never really felt like battlefront to me. I remember back before the game came out there was a interview or something and the developer said something along the line of “we don’t want to just make battlefield but with a Star Wars skin”. That quote told me they had no idea what we wanted (or at least what I wanted). Something I really dislike about the new games is how vehicles aren’t on the map, you have to die and then call it in. It sounds dumb but I really disliked that in bf5. Idk I hate ea and dice has been upsetting me for a while.
I agree. There werent many that were just flat out win cards. Granted the system was still bullshit, but "pay to win" is kind of a stretch. It was like a 3/10 in terms of actually being at a disadvantage. Theres a couple of bad examples for niche cards, looking at you Vader, but spending 30 bucks on boxes wasnt gonna just win the game.
It always amuses me to think of a franchise if it just released games with the exact same name over and over, even spinoffs. Surely marketing would approve
I gotta give you props for managing to do something I couldn't - beyond just your incredible work ethic, that is - you managed to give the gameplay a fair shake, even though you sound displeased to give this PoS any praise whatsoever. Also I was promised you were going to become a Vtuber! Where's the domme mommy Dunmer?
I mean the game is pretty fun to go a few rounds in time to time. Really the biggest shame now is thst they couldve had kept adding more and really have something.
I am one of the lucky many that played this game at the end of its updates. I have had so much fun with it, and while i would definitely prefer modded OG battlefront 2, the new game is still really fun
Won't lie, I played this during the pandemic, post update of removing microtransactions as you rightfully mentioned here, but the gunplay never clicked for me. When you described it and gave some details, as weapon heat and battle points, it sounded better than my memories haha. But it could also be that grind for cards that burned me out. And when you mentioned the old lootboxes format we had prior to Fortnite's popularity of the Battle Pass system, it's sad to remember Battlefield 1 still has lootboxes. If the game bombed at launch like Battlefront 2 2017, perhaps we wouldn't have that system there as well.
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Man dropped a 20 hour Skyrim video and immediately put his nose to the grindstone again. Absolute machine
that's the #gigagrindset
I'm guessing he finished the skyrim video a while back and was just waiting for 11.11. to release it.
I'm pretty sure Pat has said he takes breaks between larger projects to focus on something smaller, decent chance he was working on this before the Skyrim video dropped.
Welcome to the channel dude. Man has balls
@@BIaziken2 Dude literally said in this video he was working on this while making his Skyrim video
24:58 "Do you know stormtroopers only land 77 percent of blaster shots?"
This is clearly written by someone that doesn't know shit about combat or guns.
77% is an AMAZING ratio.
For the stormtroopers who are moviewise the worse shots. They had like a 5% chance to hit
I really gotta blame the FPS franchises that push their customers into constantly buying the newer, mildly different version for why people think they need to buy the new version of a shooter even if its worse in every way except graphics
Sports games do the same thing, if not worse. And now you have battle passes and things that require frequent commitment to a single game too.
are the FPS franchises really to blame when they're just catering to what FPS customers are willing to buy in FAR greater numbers compared to less exploitative games? Producers make what sells, and nobody is forcing anyone to buy looter shooter #37 over the hundreds of other games that provide greater value for their price tag. The second that blatant, lazy exploitation stops being profitable, it will disappear into the wind like it was never here, as evidenced by BFII itself, which completely scrapped lootboxes and retooled its entire content development plan for the game upon the microtransactions being rejected.
We don't pay, the exploitation evaporates. We have all the power. So who is really to blame for the state of the industry?
And considering Modern Warfare 3, sometimes even worse in every way, particularly graphics.
MOBAs are also trash for their monetization, embracing lootbox system and difficulty to unlock new characters. And people somehow forgive them more cause they are "free-to-play", ignoring that some skins give you tactical advantage due to the particle effects and harder visibility of AoE.
Truly a Patrician production line!
I love the fact that this video not only has a visually similar thumbnail as your original Battlefront 2 (2005) video, but also the same minute count.
Yep. Just like the simulations
I really like 2017's multiplayer, it's tone and the clone wars series, but man hearing that clip from 2005 hit me hard. It had such a simple story but voice over gave it such depth
Dude does an incredible 2005 Battlefront II retrospective and then drops a comprehensive review of EA's Battlefront II a year later. What a legend.
I have so many memories of playing og Battlefront with my dad (the very first one) it was the only video game he could ever get into with me but we had countless hours of fun playing the first two games. I still remember laughing maniacally while abusing Yoda’s force pull/force push on my dad, if you never did this, Yoda could basically perma stun people by continuously pushing, pulling, repeat.😂
YOOO I MAKE MY FRIEND RAGE SO HARD WITH IT
Yeah, as with anything else EA makes, the original was a GOAT
@@Thebeeks1army same dude, I used to invite my homies over just to abuse them with yoda in hero vs villains. The most balance game mode.
@@incognitoman3656 yea the first battlefront really was the goat, I remember you could command AI squad members a lot easier and get a little group following you. It was also before they introduced playing as heroes and instead they would show up as unstoppable machines of death whenever a team starts losing, I remember being so proud of myself when I managed to kill death Vader by throwing a grenade and making him fall into the abyss on Bespin.
Did you ever play with your second dad?
I love how you made it the same length and everything. "I was like didn't he upload this like a year ago??" Than immediately started giggling. I bet you cooked up another good one lets gettit
Imagine being a stormtrooper and some woman comes CHARGING at you with a lightsaber, whilst screaming "Are you offering me a job?!?!" aka, the weirdest battlecry you have ever heard, in all your years of service.
Props to going out of the way to review a mod, the mod community is one thing 2017 definitely has going for it. I have roughly 80 hours in the game, and like 60 of those are spent just grinding co-op missions because I found the mode was really fun. It reminded me a lot of intense moments in 2005 where multiple AI are trying to take a point from you, so I enjoyed a chance to get a concentrated version of that gameplay loop with some human partners as a plus. It's a shame maps aren't cross-era, and the campaign was a huge let down since they hyped up being the Empire, only to have you change sides pretty fast. In the state is is, I still vastly prefer 2005, but 2017 is still a solid game.
The mods for BF2EA are really good, but like 90% of them are just reskins or add new heroes and classes, barely any add new maps or modes or overhauls stuff like the space battles to be more interesting. There's not even a mod that adds a way to play Galactic Assault in singleplayer. To this day it's exclusively multiplayer, and if you can't find a server with enough people then you're shit out of luck Jimbo, better play something else. Much like the game itself, the mods are limited and never really reach their full potential
I wasn’t expecting another video so fast.😮 Can’t wait to watch the whole thing
He finished the Skyrim video a month or so ago. He kept it in reserve for the anniversary.
23:25 cinder wasn’t just a game event, they had to address it because it was in a 2015 comic book first. Most of the events in the main campaign were either done in the game to show gameplay for the other modes, or because it had to be addressed lore wise since this story takes place during at least 4-5 pieces of post Episode 6 existing story
Holy shit, someone who criticizes Disney for bringing Palpatine back for TROS, while also being aware they took the idea right from the old continuity and knows the Legends Imperial military machine was built to deal with the extra galactic threat of the Yuuzhan Vong?
Didn't think I could appreciate your stuff more but there it is. Now if only UA-cam had notified me about this video when you posted it.
Battlefront 2 2017: Okay multiplayer, lackluster single player, terrible campaign, 40$
Battlefront 2 2005: Great multiplayer, Great Single Player, Great Campaign, 10$
Imma stick with the original. Not to mention the 2005 modding scene is still going strong.
Imagine taking any sort of a break after a 20 hour video, wouldn't be me
12:02 "The empire couldn't figure out that the rebels were on the first floor." Well, it's entirely in line with Canon, since the Empire "Doesn't know what way 'up' is" in Disney Wars Episode 3 (misnamed as Episode 9).
Was not expecting another video so soon
"A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one."
Pat your content is always fantastic and pulls great quotes from a number of fantastic sources. I can only hope that my attempts to begin making video essays on video games will stand out from the pack half as much as your content
@29:08 For those who are curious, Aftermath is also incredibly bad, and is every bit as disjointed and nonsensical as everything else involved with the Sequels.
And honestly, it's kind of amazing they've managed to do such a bad job, since this is a setting where you can get away with having a random short order cook tell someone where to find exotic assassination darts and have everybody just roll with it.
"Aftermath is also incredibly bad" That is the understatement of the millennia. I struggle to think of worse books. Any random commenter here is a better writer than chuck wendig.
I didnt think it was all that terrible. Hardly ground breaking, but i was interested in bits. Maybe it was because Marc Thompson is a hero level narrator, but i thought it was okay.
My biggest issue with any of those early books is how irrelevant they become. Every mention of Snoke in the Leia book, completely pointless now.
It might actually be worse than much of what is in the sequels. Perhaps not as character assassination heavy, but for sheer setting destruction? Holy fuck.
@@tequilawhiskey I wonder how many takes it took Marc to NOT read "Herkily-Jerkily" as Ned Flanders.
EA wanted to drop this game so fast after being forced to support it like a game that came out 10 years before with free DLC, patches. Greivous had lines for Ahsoka and Padme in the files and their excuse was "we recorded them in case we decided to make new DLC". Yeah, ok. It turned out to be a fun game within the last year or two of it's life.
Battlefield 1 was sloughed pretty bad at release, especially with it's... inaccuracies (even by normies in 2016). But compared to what came out since it's considered one of the better modern Battlefield games.
wait, another video so soon? damn you are fast
This got me wanting to play BF2 for the first time, but moreso I appreciate the minor insights into your personal beliefs leaking out of the tiny gaps in what I'm sure is a septic tank of an ideology. Keep it coming!
Oh this guys political beliefs are god awful, just check out his discord to see the kind of "sensible discourse" he supports.
@@BreakEm22 can u elaborate on that I’m curious 👀
@@tf6026 He has his discord linked in his channel about. Check it out, see his politics channel. See the people he actively gave roles that declare a close kinship and you can guage what he's like by their opinions.
Wisely he has it set up to where all the discord chats auto-delete after a period of time so its hard to catch him saying shit but I've been in the server for a few years and he has said some insane shit.
@@BreakEm22 oh yep I just checked and yea I can see why a lot of his takes are the way they are
The lack of creativity in the Sequel trilogy is painfully evident in the Starfighter mode: Where Prequel and Original Trilogies get 3 classes of 'Infantry' starfighters, the ST gets just two per faction, and they're nearly identical in appearance and function to the OT vehicles. Where PT and OT have hero starfighters like Darth Maul, Yoda, Luke Skywalker, ST gets... Tallie Lintra, Poe, Rey, and Kylo, all once again using fighters near in appearance to what the infantry is using.
When someone like Tallie Lintra, who doesn't even have 40 seconds of screentime in the one movie she's in, gets a slot... you know something's wrong.
I know this would be a lot to ask but you've covered a number of my favorite games and you seem to know about another series I love and I'd really like to see a review or play through of the thief series. Thank you for the literal days of entertainment you've provided.
What is your thoughts on Republic Commando, if you've played it? Would love a Kotor break down if you would be up for it. That aside, love your videos, replaying morrowind and having a blast.
Base weapon sucks dick, ammo and carry slots for the fun guns are too rare.
I think Pat would absolutely love KOTOR 2, being the man that he is.
This just makes me want to play the "classic" battlefront II, it has to be said tho... gosh those graphics are gorgeous. If only we could get an actual no BS facelift of the original game. Keep the mechanics the same but make it look that pretty and I'd be sooo in.
classic is still around with multiplayer support on pc via steam, bro.
@@scout360pyroz not a bro, I have the classic version, I was saying a faithful remake of it with updated graphics would be nice.
@@NoStereo never gonna happen unless its fan made.
it would be an industry shaking move to do it.
Age of Empires II got it done, but thats an entirely different niche
Vardos inngeneral is quite a cool location, brualism, dark deco, bits of imperial naval assets we're more familiar with. It would actually work well as Bastion from the EU.
Finally someone who gave this game a fair shot... Ive been with game since beta seen the ups and downs. The op skywalkers, the "crashed speeder" drodika fiasco, the maul can block game ruined shinanigins, and finally "our vision is complete" even though empire era supremacy launched with no boarding sequence. No one else ive seen has really been fair to this game even though it has Its faults. Keep it up you've quickly became my favorite reviewer on youtube because of the work you put into every game you review.
I was able to get this game for 5 dollars on sale a couple years ago. It was really sad when they stopped updating the game. It really grew into itself in the later years of its life. I still love this game.
20:35 Even in Legends many of the best Rebels were ex Imperials. Crix Madine only snuck away AFTER being forced to commit biowarfare on civilians.
0:50 I’m so happy to see someone say this. It’s like Ubisoft’s push with “A Ubisoft Original”
Like we all know it’s nothing special, you pump out games from your sub-divisions like it’s going out of style
With all the shows Disney has been pumping out lately, the Season model would've worked so well with BFII in its current state.
Bad Batch season with unlockable heroes for the whole squad, a Mandalorian season with all those new characters, same for BoBF (for whatever that's worth, that show was pretty bad)
Crossover event with Fallen Order and let people play as Cal Kestis and Trilla? Yes please.
It boggles the mind that they'd just abandon the game right as it was getting good, and they finally engendered some good will with the fan base. Hell it's a damn near war crime we don't have a Captain Rex skin for the Arc Trooper.
Same for Squadrons. Most people liked it, but if you had added a PVE mode set in the Clone Wars, I'd be playing that non stop.
The fact that its easier and more fun to play multiplayer on the OG Battlefront 2 on Steam is hillarious to me, they created and inferior copy for many time the budget for nothing.
17:05 I’ll tell you that “in the now” you crack jokes with your buddies down range. It’s never a bad time for lighthearted humor. But in hindsight when recounting for everything, it’s a much more serious headspace. Idk if that makes any sense.
2:47 ohhhhhh, that explains why they removed the micros-transactions. I always thought it was weird for EA to get less greedy just because people complained. But if it LOST them money, it makes perfect sense!
As usual with Star Wars stories, any story people want to tell has already been told, and has likely been told far more competently within the now non-canon Expanded Universe.
In this case, yes, Star Wars already has the story of a character who was a former Imperial Special Forces soldier who eventually defects to the Rebellion. That is the story of Crix Madine, and he appears or is mentioned constantly in the Expanded Universe. He appears as far back as Dark Forces, and has lines of dialog in all three Rogue Squadron games, as well as too many EU novels to name. He DOES appear in Return of the Jedi, but he only gets a backstory in the EU.
12:17 is this UI intentionally retro, or just really cheap?
Thanks for all your effort and uploads pat godspeed brother
17:50 It might just be three AM making it funny, but your Emperor is hilarious.
Small thing, battlefront 2 classic says that only the 501st remained as clones in the empire, not all legions
I actually like EA putting their name in the logo, makes it easier to avoid games with the Mark of the Beast.
Gotta say, you reviewing this weirdass community game mode that isn't actually in the game was seriously confusing. As someone who hasn't played this game it's hard to figure out what are critiques against the products and what are critiques against what sounds like a battlefront version of a Nuzlocke.
Galactic Contention is the true heir to Classic BF2's throne
As a multiplayer main I absolutely adore 2017 and I think it's both visually and mechanically awesome. But I totally agree about the SP content being very lackluster. And while it has its distinguishing features, 2017 has taken a pretty standardized route as an FPS and doesn't have the bold decisions of 2005 such as hangar landings and health-packs>regen. Some of my best videogame memories of all time are of infiltrating the enemy ship and planting bombs on crucial hardware. Being able to independently mount those kinds of optional plans to take advantage of enemy weakpoints, excecuting sneaky or bold moves using your own opportunism and imagination... there's too little of that these days. I feel like multiplayer games have generally become super streamlined in order to bridge the gap between casuals and hardcores so games can cast as wide a net as possible.
I played the original Battlefront for hundreds of hours when it first came out, that game defined my childhood. When the new Battlefront came out a few years ago I was so excited, I played it for probably 40 hours and got bored. To this day I still fire up the original Battlefront and Battlefront 2, they're great with mods too!
Same here!
Tfw you realise Squad* modders made a better Battlefront II experience with their alpha than the official release of Battlefront II EA is even today. Maybe the EA logo in the title isn't Electronic Arts but Early Access?
*battlefield derived game which isn't exactly easy to mod
12:10
To be fair, that's kind of the situation in the Sequel Trilogy, isn't it?
Episode VII: The First Order instantly obliterates the New Republic.
Episode VIII: The Resistance is reduced to just the crew of one capital ship hiding in a cave.
Episode IX: A Resistant fleet FINALLY shows up, way after it was needed.
I kinda miss when this Battlefront 2 was getting shit on constantly
Regarding people liking the prequel era: The prequel movies weren't good, but they had lots of cool world-building ideas (clone troopers vs droids, jedi order at its height of power, etc, etc) that people enjoyed. George was always good at that stuff. The books and comics set during the prequel era were awesome. Good writers did great work with the setting. Ulic Qel-Droma will always be one of my favorite star wars characters and he was a fucking comic book character.
The sequels have... nothing even close, as far as I can tell.
Well, George was a relatively creative hack, who enjoyed money. Disney is just rooms of hacks that enjoy money.
I'm not a Star Wars fan, but its pretty clear that the prequels were at least trying to be competitive with pushing the visual department forward (mainly as narcissistic competition) while Disney was just pushing the soft spots on everyone's skulls labeled "nostalgia", which is almost always gross and undesirable in most art forms.
(edit: lmao, thirty seconds in before nostalgia is mentioned)
From what I understand, Disney basically ubisofted all the assets of Lucas films that weren't their animation department and skywalker sound, and starting from the ground up. It's understandable to drop the license from dark horse since they own marvel and they don't want to support a rival comic company and make money directly from thier star wars comics, but liquidating Lucas arts was travesty. The fact the sequel trilogy was always planned to be tennis rather then one directors vision meant tie in material was always doomed. You couldn't do anything fun like the Clone Wars extended brand era between flims 2 and films 3 to tell interesting stories and hype up revenge of the sith.
Of all the problems with the sequel era stuff, the lack of cool new designs for soldiers or vehicles is the strangest. The prequels had a great balance of fresh designs and remixes of OT stuff that was still different enough to be interesting, while the sequels had nothing but the same old X-wings and stormtroopers just tweaked a tiny bit.
You don't have to be able to write a good story to design a cool ship. A giant company like Disney shouldn't have stumbled at the cool ship step.
Finished listening to the Skyrim video Friday on my drive home from work. About to drive home today, didn’t know what I was gonna listen to. Thanks Pat.
Hey Pat, if you have Squad there's an awesome mod on there called Galactic Contention that you might really enjoy. Its a total conversion that changes the game into Star Wars, complete with classes, combined arms, etc, mixed with Squad gameplay stylings. The fact its a fan mod, made for free, is even more amazing and shows just how good these games can be if effort and love is put into them.
Thanks for this review! I’ve been leery about SW Battlefield II ever since the original lootbox controversy. Any hope I had for it died when my friend bought me a copy of SW Battlefield I as a joke Christmas gift, and we played it for half an hour before determining that it was total garbage (aside from the SW aesthetics). But this game looks like it’s improved a lot since launch, so if it’s on super-sale this season, maybe I’ll give it a go!
Also, I love most about the cringey Han Solo sequence is that some writer took the “never tell me the odds” quote as Han literally hating the concept of probability (not just hating 3PO) and thought it would be the pinnacle of Star Wars in-jokes to include a character who only talks in probabilities and percentages.
Star Wars Battlefield?
Thank you Ian Patric television
An EA double feature considering the next video? This makes me wonder if you're going to cover kingdoms of amalur since you said you wanted to do so on indigo's podcast.
It still to this day amazes me how quickly EA/DICE decided to drop support for BF2 in favor of BF2042 right when the game had a second life with the Celebration Update.
The game easily could've had another year or two of content updates but not even 6 months after the Celebration Update they would drop support to develop BF2042 all together.
Say what you want but the multiplayer gameplay loops is eons ahead of 2005's bf2. I have 1k hours in this game since 2020 and for good reason
There is no evidence that Emperor had made plans to use the Death Star against the Vong. He probably would have but it is pure speculation that he built it to defend against the Vong.
Yeah I've never really liked this explanation, it's never mentioned in the movies and has nothing to do with the story Star Wars was trying to tell. Tarkin makes it pretty clear they built it so the Empire's reign could never be opposed, not because they're waiting for a fucking Reaper invasion. Not to mention the Death Star was made to destroy planets, what planets would the Vong even have if they're an extra-galactic threat? Even if the Death Star was actually meant to destroy entire fleets, we all saw how that panned out in Return of the Jedi, so really the Vong reason just doesn't make any sense the more you think about it.
It's because there isn't. Palpatine was aware of the Vong (He learns this around the time of Outbound flight) but the idea of the Deathstar isn't related to that (Tarkin actually brings the idea to him) Pat gets shit wrong whenever he talks about the EU, really shoots his arguements in the foot. (Especially when he tries to dunk on new canon for having books explain things...Even though a fuck ton of the old EU did the same goddamn thing with the original movies and when some things contradicted others)
@@uberness77 I wouldn't blame Pat for that, it's a big misconception in the Star Wars fandom
I would love to watch a review/retrospective of yours for KOTOR and KOTOR 2
Pat has mentioned before in streams that he didn’t own KotOR growing up, so he’s less inclined to dump a bunch of hours into reviewing a game(s) he has no connection to, when others have already covered them both in depth. I love those games to death, but they haven’t aged perfectly, and I’d argue KotOR II takes the TSLRCM and at least two playthroughs to truly enjoy the story.
7:05 video should probably say what these officer mechanics are. Good video tho, the ea in the logo is really funny
I still say The Last Jedi is a great standalone Star Wars film, but other than that I agree. I will say in many respects my favorite thing about 2017 is the visuals. That isn't the back-handed compliment it sounds like. Everything in the game, from the models, the textures, and the effects look so true to Star Wars that one can easily become immersed into the battle. It's the most authentic looking Star Wars game ever made. It isn't the best by a long shot, but I'm glad they brought it up to a pretty good place by the end.
"no one ever when to E" thats a deep cut brother but I remember, thats the best map in that game!
also set up a paypal, I dont want to set up a subscription unless I script it myself!
I had never played the originals but I was still excited when this game was announced. I even hopped on the beta to try it out. Needless to say, I was so disappointed by it that decided not to buy it.
The beta experience was constantly dying from different unpredictable angles and respawning right in the middle of everything to die 10 seconds later. The game was beautiful, but I was not immersed in it at all due to the poor gameplay.
Worst thing is, I was exactly the target audience for that game: a 17 year old Battlefield 4 player - and Dice/EA still managed to miss out on my “almost guaranteed” purchase.
I'm really glad to see you branching off back to these videos of yours. Hopefully it's a good break from your long style form of content.
Still playing Classic Battlefront to this day
When I saw the timestamp, I first thought it meant 30 hours.
Anakin is still busted haha, if he grabs enough people boom server crash and game over back to match que.
I actually played EA's battlefront 2 first. Me and my brother loved it. Then a few months ago I got the OG battlefront 2 and DANG, the OG is so much better.
Loved the video
bruh you just put out like the longest videogame review I've ever watched like two weeks ago
Looking forward to more "shortform" reviews!
Oh shit lets go Patrician.
~17:00 The Clone Wars wasn't actually a comedy show. There were quips, sure, but if something had to be serious - it was.
This game feels lonely. There is no teamplay.
Oooooooh, I see what you did with the time and the thumbnail there. I'm just watching the other Battlefront 2 review right now. That's a power move. Also, you rebounded from the Skyrim video fast. I presume that this was in concurrent production.
I think he finished the Skyrim video a month or so ago. He kept it in reserve for the anniversary date.
I mean EA putting their name on the banner does make telling them apart easier.
LETS GOOOO NEW VIDEO FROM NEW MY FAVROTIE TUBER
"The only way to level up heroes is HVV"
*Laughs in coop*
where do u get the mod for galactic conquest?
Battlefront 2, made by Pandemic: A game filled with love, care and clear respect for the source material while still making one of the most iconic and fun shooter games of the 2000s era.
Battlefront 2, made by EA: A game, kind of. But hey at least you can give EA more money :D
Also I may be biased because Pandemic made some of my favorite games of all time and EA more or less canned them. But still, the new game is fun with friends every now and then but as a shooter i never opened it up by myself, unlike the original which i still play from time to time.
That doesn't seem to be a fair thing to say considering the original was an unbalanced mess with AI that often didn't work properly while the new one is stupid pretty. I don't even know how they got graphics that realistic looking. It actually goes back around because anytime you see an object clip or player lag it becomes quite disturbing. Obviously graphics =/= games but my point is people obviously cared a lot about nubattlefront. I don't know why people repeat this weird cliche about any piece of art they don't like as if they were there or something.
@@drifter402 They did put some effort into it, but it lacks the soul the original had. Sure it wasn't perfect, but at launch it was a far better product then the new release. That's why I said its not the worst game by any measure, it just doesn't live up to its predecessor.
@@spaman7716 Yea OK sure whatever that's all well and good but that's not what you said before.
I was so confused for a second because your og video was how I found your channel
I've only started playing DICE's Battlefront 2 relatively recently (got the Celebration Edition for free on EGS), but I have to say, there are things that it does better than the original, and there are things it does worse. The improved graphics are good (and I'm not even much into graphics), I like the class system a bit better, and some of the maps have cool details like the CIS "octopus" droids\ ships landing on and falling off of the Kamino domes, and I do like the minimal character customization. The things that I hate are: the map selection menu is a pain in the arse, the fact that you can choose weapons regardless of whether or not they make sense era- or side-wise (imperial blasters for droids? wot?), all the extra gear\ abilities are just annoying ("cards", amirite?), heroes spawn regardless of whether or not they should be on a map (for example, in one instant action game I've had like 10 heroes running around the map and they were from different factions and periods in-universe, and it wasn't even hero deathmatch!), and I hate the overheating weapons. The singleplayer campaign was alright, but I hated that it forced you play as the main movie characters, and that the protagonist switched sides after like, two missions. I was hoping we'll be able to properly play as an imperial.
16:44 Disney [TM] sanctioned slurs lmaooooo
I remember paying full price for the game and then not being able to play it because my xbox was linked to a dead EA account
Great work man, grateful for your videos.
Am I the only one that feels a battlefield Star Wars retexture or overhaul would’ve been better?
I would have respected the story if they would have had Iden be evil. No change of heart or redemption, just let her be bad. It wouldn’t be much, but it would feel like the story actually had some teeth.
It blows my mind to think that the things discussed in this video happened 5 years ago. Christ.
I love the prequel movies
Battlefront 2 EA was such a good example of the power of a shitstorm, whining and crying and complaining DOES work and we HAVE TO keep doing it!!
That YIIK clip makes me hopeful for a full review of YIIK. Vanilla and updated versions.
Good lord no.
I was watching some of your old videos and I think you mentioned you were from the pacific northwest? If so, me too. I'm from Oregon. Your videos are great BTW keep doing what your doing.
I was someone who played 2017s beta and played launch day. I never really felt the star cards were that broken in the way a lot of reviewers said they were. I played it a lot, all the way until the last update. I had a lot of fun but it never really felt like battlefront to me. I remember back before the game came out there was a interview or something and the developer said something along the line of “we don’t want to just make battlefield but with a Star Wars skin”. That quote told me they had no idea what we wanted (or at least what I wanted). Something I really dislike about the new games is how vehicles aren’t on the map, you have to die and then call it in. It sounds dumb but I really disliked that in bf5. Idk I hate ea and dice has been upsetting me for a while.
I agree. There werent many that were just flat out win cards. Granted the system was still bullshit, but "pay to win" is kind of a stretch. It was like a 3/10 in terms of actually being at a disadvantage.
Theres a couple of bad examples for niche cards, looking at you Vader, but spending 30 bucks on boxes wasnt gonna just win the game.
Same here, the OP star cards were on star fighters though but it was only like one or two cards.
It always amuses me to think of a franchise if it just released games with the exact same name over and over, even spinoffs. Surely marketing would approve
i know this will seem random but i feel like you would do an amazing job at making a deus ex mankind divided video
I gotta give you props for managing to do something I couldn't - beyond just your incredible work ethic, that is - you managed to give the gameplay a fair shake, even though you sound displeased to give this PoS any praise whatsoever.
Also I was promised you were going to become a Vtuber! Where's the domme mommy Dunmer?
I mean the game is pretty fun to go a few rounds in time to time. Really the biggest shame now is thst they couldve had kept adding more and really have something.
I am one of the lucky many that played this game at the end of its updates. I have had so much fun with it, and while i would definitely prefer modded OG battlefront 2, the new game is still really fun
He has blessed us again
The yiik clip 😆
Won't lie, I played this during the pandemic, post update of removing microtransactions as you rightfully mentioned here, but the gunplay never clicked for me. When you described it and gave some details, as weapon heat and battle points, it sounded better than my memories haha. But it could also be that grind for cards that burned me out.
And when you mentioned the old lootboxes format we had prior to Fortnite's popularity of the Battle Pass system, it's sad to remember Battlefield 1 still has lootboxes. If the game bombed at launch like Battlefront 2 2017, perhaps we wouldn't have that system there as well.
19:57 I mean, that's Wraith Squadron from the books.