How the American Right Became Radicalized
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The Michael Shermer Show # 375
At the height of the John Birch Society’s activity in the 1960s, critics dismissed its members as a paranoid fringe. After all, “Birchers” believed that a vast communist conspiracy existed in America and posed an existential threat to Christianity, capitalism, and freedom. But as historian Matthew Dallek reveals, the Birch Society’s extremism remade American conservatism. Most Birchers were white professionals who were radicalized as growing calls for racial and gender equality appeared to upend American life. Conservative leaders recognized that these affluent voters were needed to win elections, and for decades the GOP courted Birchers and their extremist successors.
Shermer and Dallek discuss: the origin of the John Birch Society • the “right,” “conservatism,” “liberalism” • “mainstream” vs. “fringe” • Cold War context for the rise of the radical right • the link between the John Birch Society and figures like Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and Donald Trump • America First nationalism, school board wars, QAnon plots, allegations of electoral cheating • and the future of the Republic (if we can keep it).
Matthew Dallek is a political historian whose intellectual interests include the intersection of social crises and political transformation, the evolution of the modern conservative movement, and liberalism and its critics. Dallek has authored four books which appeared on the Washington Post and the Chicago Tribune’s annual best-of lists. His latest is Birchers: How the John Birch Society Radicalized the American Right.
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Now have a speaker about how the American Left became radicalized for a balance.
The American Left has not been radicalized. They don’t lie with impunity, don’t plot to overthrow the duly elected or vilify their opponents unless it is warranted.
If you rushed to comment - this conversation seems reasonable enough
An interesting book on the Birch Society is Clair Conner's Wrapped in the Flag. Her father Stillwell was a founding member of the John Birch Society. She always thought Revilo P. Oliver was a creepy guy.
I have known about the John Birch society since the early 1970s but, never knew exactly what they were about, only that they are a fringe group with some radical ideas. Thanks for all the good info!
hmm will you ever make video "how american left become radicalized" ?
Would it start in the 50s?
Make your case.
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That's a huge portion of what Schermer covers
I think he talked a lot about that
I see, so because Obama didn’t unfortunately have king-like powers it meant he couldn’t go far left enough, so this facilitated far right tendencies. It makes sense
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Dr. Shermer, please read Verlan Lewis & Hyrum Lewis's new book The Myth of Left and Right: How the Political Spectrum Misleads and Harms America (2023), & then please interview the brothers Lewis about their book.
I'm the 2nd viewer! Right after that guy below who's been drinking and watching Fox all morning😄
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Ya he should be cool like you and watch MSNBC all morning instead.
So a fight against a school board is inherently a sign of right wing radicalism? Michael, come on. You have to ask want to fight is about. Do you have to ask which side is acting in good faith and being open about what they want.
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose..... (Janice) :)
...actually -- Kris Kristopherson.
Earl Warren was not only the Republican candudate for Governor but also winner of the Democrat primary in1946. He almost won the 1942 Democrat primary, too.
Dallek wrote: “Call that period, from 1958 to 2022, the Bircher Years.” Most readers will be surprised to learn that they have lived their entire lives in this epoch -- despite never having heard of the John Birch Society, let alone having being influenced by it in any way.
Remarkably, Dallek did not bother to interview any Birchers for his book. Likewise, he doesn't quote any Bircher literature in order to give an accurate sense of their beliefs. However, we hear much about them from people who hate them.
Birchers found it terribly convenient to cast liberals as closet Communists. Dallek finds it terribly convenient to cast conservatives whom he dislikes as Birchers in disguise. Author and subject share this intellectually lazy and ideologically self-flattering habit.
Dallek spreads the sort of anti-conservative propaganda that we have come to expect from the Michael Shermer Show.
You are completely correct. I had the same thought. There are lots of people retiring this year who were born after the functional demise of the John Birch Society and who never heard of it.
The John Birch Society was so on-point on what they were saying that the Soviets went out of their way to shoot down a commercial airliner to murder its chairman Rep Larry MacDonald from the Democratic party that was not taken over by the communists yet.
The Politics Industry: How Political Innovation Can Break Partisan Gridlock and Save Our Democracy (2020), Katherine M. Gehl & Michael E. Porter
It’s the same old lies. Who spends mote money?
I'm sure you've been asked this before. You look like you could be related to Senator Chuck Schumer.
BTW, this isn't the beginning of a conspiracy theory... or is it?
I love ❤️ Jared Diamond
Evangelical voting blocks.
I'm skeptical. That's why I'm here. ;-)
In the past 30 years in the United States, I donated many many paintings to fundraisers for nonprofit organizations, and I will be more than happy to contribute to success of your destiny
Thanks to The Sherm for bringing some balance to his platform with this insightful interview!
Thank you Dr. Sherman we appreciate your devotion to the true
I'm skeptical of what he "finds" true.
@@liamwinter4512 Michael has received comments like this so ohh before you were born
Mostly stuff I know about, but it reflects my biggest problem with the right-- they went down the "conservative christian" rabbit hole. I'm more a fan of fiscal conservatism.
I'm atheist and I'm a right-winger, the evangelicals hold very little influence on the more young conservative movement, that just wants to conserve basic rights like free speech, free enterprise, the right for self-defense, things people took for granted and now are undeniably being taken away by the cultural marxists and socialists that want more government.
@@DaniboyBR2 I don't see these things being taken away, though extremists on both sides are trying to erode some rights, the moderates are keeping them in check. Throwing around terms like marxist isn't useful in any way. You have to show connections, like the interview shows the connections between the conservatives and the religious extremists.
@@stevenmyers6291 The left defends Critical Race Theory, if you think Critical Theory isn't marxism you need to read some more, its pure marxist theory to erode Western values, such as free speech, the nuclear family, Christian values, propery rights, etc, etc.
Right-wing snowflakes about to go off in the comments
While I am sure that I will enjoy the podcast, it's the butthurt reactionary comments that I came for.
1:15:07 to 1:16:00 - The consistency is quite simple: acts of killing innocent humans, whether by guns or abortions, should be outlawed. Legalizing abortions and legalizing gun ownership (as opposed to _killing people by means of guns)_ aren't at all similar, and I say this as someone who is pro gun control.
Something about the language you use seems odd... you don't 'legalize' things. Laws are never permissive, they are only ever restrictive. No law allows you to do anything, you can do EVERYTHING unless restricted by a law. Maybe I'm just nitpicking but arguments about 'allowing' people to do things doesn't make sense. You are always allowed unless specifically banned from doing so.
Furthermore, there's no universally-recognized "point" at which a "human" comes into existence.@@bobcharles7933
@@bobcharles7933rescinding laws that outlaw things legalizes them
This guy is not saying anything ground shaking. Kind of a disappointing conversation. I quit at 25 minutes in.
Shermer throws something into the conversation, and Matt takes what he said and rewords and repeats it as if it was his idea to say it. There's a term for this that I don't recall the name of, but it's a bit obnoxious.
Ohhhhh... its the Right who is radicalized is it? Heh, hilarious. Not that they are not radicalized but to act like the Left isn't also completely the same is either myopic or just disingenuous. This should be an entertaining (and utterly one-sided) discussion. I'll comment again if I am proven wrong (not holding my breath).
Michael is constantly bashing the left
It's nice when he also talks to people who highlight the right's radical BS
Michael Shermer criticizes wokeness and other kinds of leftist goofiness all the time.
Republicans are now undeniably just a cult that worships everything Trump does or says. They have an unyielding support for him that makes absolutely no rational sense whatsoever. They've even gone so far as to literally attack the capitol in support of him resulting in the deaths of 4 people and you have the gall to act as if the pathetic American left is comparable in the right's degree of radicalization?!?? You are either deeply delusional or just plain wrong but any objective assessment would see that one side is definitely more radicalized than the other. Questioning the validity of gender does not compare to full-blown insurrection and book-burning.
Really hate that you didn't hold your breath during the entire show.
@@CHARIOTangler the left dose it's fair share of book burning. BLM riots, trying to get people fired because of something they said or did 20+ years, calling people racist who aren't, getting pissed off at Halloween Costumes, trying to de-platform people on social media who they don't agree with ect. this us vs them way of thinking that both sides are guilty of needs to stop
Why would anyone who considers themselves to be conservative listen to a Michael Shermer program of any sort? Aren't you all too busy listening to Fox News and donating to Trump to make time for adult discussions and intelligent banter?
I have allot of Conservative views (I don't agree with the right on all). I have been supporting Skeptic from back in the days of ordering VHS tape from Skeptic Mag
Careful Mr or Mrs Tangler your foolishness is showing. I'm not sure you're qualified to recognize an "intelligent" anything much less banter after a comment like that.
@@PhantomMagician1846 : Same... I was a donating member of CSICOP back when Carl Sagan was part of it before it got rolled in to Skeptic. Not sure that @CHARIOTangler knows what a conservative actually is.
@@bobcharles7933 its part of this "lets put everybody in the same boat" way of thinking. They don't get the fact that a person can vote for a candidate and not agree 100% with what he/she believes
Your comment is incredibly reductionist, and really offers nothing to a meaningful conversation.
I can’t wait to listen to this lecture. The radical right is out of control and this guy will, indirectly, tell us why we need to vote left so we can all be enlightened
Because voting for a pathological egomaniac and sociopath named Trump makes so much more sense, right? Let's all just act like this grotesque buffoon didn't compel his disgusting, deplorable minions to attack the capitol because he was too butt-hurt and self-absorbed to accept defeat. Let's all just act like he didn’t watch with glee as they physically invaded the capitol building and refuse to intervene for several hours. I am not a Democrat but in this ridiculously flawed two party system they are easily the lesser of two evils.
LOL @ vote left to be enlightened. If you want to vote left because they are the lesser of the two evils in your view thats one thing. But you need to realize the left and the right in the USA are just two sides of the same coin