@@ecstanton Tim Miller recently was on msnbc with a panel of former repubs calling out their party for the despicableness of going to Hungary for CPAC. I think they are aware. This just wasn't the conversation for that since the book and convo are more about the past and how it got here.
Although I will say, DeSantis scares the sht out of me way more than Orange Dumpling does so I'm glad Dan pushed back on that lol he absolutely would challenge an election. Maybe not to the level/length but at this point it won't take a very sustained effort to do immense damage because of how destabilized things already are
Tim Miller has been spot-on - as an author for The Bulwark - for the last few years with regard to the very real dangers to American democracy posed by Trump, McConnell, etc
JD Vance's book shows his tough childhood, the help he got, the social services his family relied upon, and then his fortunate accident ending up at Harvard, then ends with saying governments never solve anything, people shouldn't avail themselves of government assistance, and everyone can bootstrap their way to success as he did.
Right after all the help he received he pulled himself up by the bootstraps. Why is their such hypocrisy in the Republican Party? Is it because Fox News just let's them lie on air? I just watched a video where two men on Fox News said they testified to the Jan. 6th committee that Trump had the National Guard on alert on Jan. 6th. Then they played the actual tape of their testimony and they said the exact opposite, but will Fox watchers every hear the truth? Of course not.
Except those stories weren’t from his childhood but the tough childhoods of other people and not his own. So his came up from nothing story is a farce. Just like “billionaire” trump asking his low income voters for donations. All scams.
It's hilarious how many people use the metaphor, "pull yourself up by your bootstraps," when it was created to show how impossible that idea was to pull yourself up by bootstraps.Try it, put your boots on and see if u can stand up by pulling on the straps........ it's not possible .....btw Vance is grifting.
@@billbillerton6122 The folks currently in the GOP are O.K. with how Hungary is run and wish to emulate this 'in name only' democracy and are doing everything politically and judicially possible to have minority rule in this country: this is something you may wish to look into, Mr. Billerton.
@@AnaTai3 What's wrong with how Hungary is being run? Do the majority of Hungarians agree with Orban? Your argument is based histrionic hyperbole. More and more people are jumping off the Democrat ship and headed to Republicans you'll see come November.
Basically, what is being talked about here is the same thing that is happening to the Catholic Church and even evangelical churches and I am a perfect example of it. You don't grow up conservative in a small town, then get an education, travel around the world and live abroad and stay in the same limiting conservative groups you grew up in as a more enlightened member. You just leave. Unfortunately, the effect that is having on a lot of organizations around the world is that what is left, is more and more narrow minded, conservative members. And it just keeps getting worse. As more become disenchanted and leave, eventually all that is left is the dregs. And when these organizations finally start scraping bottom, they create a lot of trouble until they finally burn themselves out or are eliminated. That seems to be going on now with the GOP. It will probable stop when the older generation that still clings to it is finally gone.
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I totally agree with you. I have been travelling the world since 1976. We are not the greatest country in the world. We could be and should be, ut we are too greedy and imoral to be.
I am a woman of a certain age, someone who was a political independent for decades. But I do believe that government has the power to do good things, and that it should look out for its powerless citizens. I love Tim Miller because he's smart, honest, and a very nice guy. He's also hilarious! I see him on MSNBC all the time because I also love Nicolle Wallace's show, Deadline: White House. I find disentangled former Republicans to be very insightful, politically. They see what's really going on! I hope Tim's book is a big success!
A remedy for voting....when I worked as a poll helper, there were 2 Dems, 2 Repubs in every precinct, eyeballing every move, from standing in line to walking to the machine. We had to go to classes, learn rules, and sign a paper under penalty of perjury (20 yrs) that we would not coerce.......etc
Sadly, Trump and the GOP accused the election officials back in 2020, of not allowing their Republican observers to watch. This, like all Trump lies, is just a lie. However, most of his cult members believed him regardless of reality and facts. They are now a cult, and must be stopped.
Giving the proceeds to himself is charity, technically.. But it misses the bigger point that he is a hollow person without morals, integrity, or a soul. Yeah you know where you can go Tim Miller.
You could have stopped trump in 2016 if you had weeded the field. He won because so many people were running that he got a plurality. More people voted against him than for him In the aggregate.
Trump won because the GOP does not listen to their voters, only to their rich donors. Their voter base was SCREAMING they wanted a NON POLITICIAN. Trump got into the race by donating a million dollars to the GOP, and then the GOP simply did not vet him. The GOP also took in some 150 million of Russian money through various straw men. Oleg Parnas? That was just one.
@@adacasas511Hillary got a lot more votes than trump and yes Russia interfered tolls lied so much about her. She got healthcare for children back in the 90s and Obama care had Hillary & Romney's hands in it. Those lies about her still go on today she has been a Christian since she was very young. If you win it should be done with truth Vote Blue For Truth & Democracy 💙😎💙
Of course there is. The parties have shifted in their voting bases and different elite interests over the course of the country's history. Stipulating that these have alway been parties of, by and for the capitalist class, and that reactionary, nativist, conspiracist politics stretches back at least to the old Anti-Masonic Party, and arguably earlier into colonial times, the beginnings of the recognizably modern GOP brand as we know it start really begins with the John Birch Society in the 1950s, which later gloms onto the Goldwater campaign.
@@janosmarothy5409 I think it's all the same and both parties are no different. Main thing they both want is dominion over the population and power. Nothing has changed unless your talking about its worse, then you are correct.
@@susieb7274 Sounds like a grounded step in a sane direction, Susie B. PS My closest friend, who I have known since grade three. is also Susie B. A small world.
You got it so right, no pun intended, but never, never, never is it correct to condone sacrifice of integrity for success. Truth and Integrity don't ever wobble or waver, even a little bit.
Not directly related but could interst some viewers... I rewatched Caroll Leonning's interview "The Rise and Fall of the Secret Service" ... Some things in there (especially in the last 30 minutes) take on a totally different sense in light of what we learned in the hearings on J6..
Yes, but we need to look it square in the eye now that we know how ugly it is. Ten years ago I still thought we had gotten past so much of it as a country - boy was I wrong.
It is terrifying to hear the calm, nonchalant manner in this discussion. None of these people live out among Trump supporters and seem not to understand the monster they've taken part in creating.
@@lindamullins1446 Perhaps you think some Republicans are "good" Republicans and that neoliberal policies have no impact on where we are today. I would disagree.
@@lindamullins1446 Trump is the culmination of decades of moving the GOP towards the Right, starting in the 1960s. As with all movements, it started slowly, with the coddling of the Dixie Democrats, who fled en masse from 1964-1965 out of the Democrat Party into the welcoming arms of the GOP (see: Southern Strategy). Since that moment, the GOP has headed towards Fascism nonstop until Trump. They must be stopped.
I don't think we have rational behavior. It's emotional. People decide emotionally, then try to justify it. Selfishness and greed in politics is mirrored in busines: Enron, the housing crash, human factors affecting climate change, etc. For all those who opt for short-term gain for themselves including the media, we all have ourselves to blame..
“Why We Did It” would make a great movie, in the genre of “The Candidate” and “Primary Colors”. I propose Adam McKay as writer/director and Timothée Chalamet as Tim (the boy can do comedy-he’s been good on SNL).
Very true. McConnell created the present state of the gop manipulating our nation's democracy and politics dating back to the w administration. How this is often overlooked or forgotten is unbelievable.
Thanks I think I get it now. I really had trouble understanding how people could fall under the Trump spell prior to this interview. I just hope that at least some Trumpers can become as introspective as this interviewee. We as a world have a huge problem with our individual psych's.
History has shown us similar situations where intelligent, well-heeled persons fall under the ''spell'' of a magical orator. Personally, Trump is a kindergarten speaker...but that is not the case for many persons who have issues with what America is offering them at this time.
@@crazypaulinquebec The fact is America is offering more to more of its people than any people have ever been offered in history. Trump supporters just can't stand prosperity. Even if their dreams go down in flames, as I think they inevitabley will, many of them will not live long enough to rage about it.
I caucused for Ron Paul in Houma, La. in 2008 and 2012. My girlfriend started the South La. for Ron Paul website. People came in and took over. We were naive and let them. The fiasco that ensued at the Convention was eerily similar to Jan. 6 fiasco.
Tim is terrific. I never realized before what makes him so endearing. If you watch this interview without looking at the screen, you would think it was Jerry Seinfeld talking.
Tim Miller is a very articulate, intelligent guy. It's hard to believe he was ever a Republican. I must read his book. Thank you for sharing this conversation.
What it all comes down to, It’s all about the ego, people selling themselves for wealth and fame, like the geek who was bullied, becomes the bully to get revenge and everyone knows there’s are many ways to get revenge, like Clarance Thomas said that he was going to make liberals pay for whatever they may have done to make him feel demeaned, perhaps rightly so for his ultra conservative views…
Loved this conversation. Listening to Dan always makes me feel a tad more learned, or a little less uninformed. Have seen several interviews recently with Tim and have started following him too. Love them together. Gonna buy that book.
Fantastic, throughly delightful conversation! I love Tim Miller (Bulwark Plus member) and have heard / seen Dan Pfeiffer many times on Crooked Media and the two together was great. I did not realize Dan was so funny... they both are humble, thoughtful and insightful.
But … Death Santis is worse. Best case Death Santis isn’t governing Florida anymore and Dumpy and him Duke it out for all America to see their crazy and doesn’t vote for them…. Like we did last time. We have to vote them out. This didn’t age well In light of Death Santis in 2022. Vote 💯
Tim Miller's economic philosophy is totally opposite mine, yet i have so much respect for him. The reason why is he does not think the end justify the means. He is a man with empathy.
So what's important is 'winning' no matter how heinous your candidate is... until that doesn't work, then you flip sides, write a book and grift off of that. Got it.
The giggling and laughter is offensive, given they're discussing the behind-the-scenes strategy to harm black people from having a modicum of ability to make progress in America.
These two speak so fast, so intelligently, and with such wit, that they could be reading an Aaron Sorkin script from the West Wing. Great conversation. This is where American politics would be if the extremists didn’t take over the Republican Party.
Why? I'm curious what someone that didn't know him thinks about who he was and the things he did. For my part, the fact that he did maintain a grasp on reality is the best thing I can say about him. He was a fairly frequent guest in my family's home, so I've had more than a couple of casual conversations with him over the course of my life.
@@rickb3650 Firstly, you do not know anything about me! Secondly, you also do not know who I know or who I have known in my past! Moreover, even if you did know me, you still would not know everyone I know. My own family doesn't know that. Stop wasting people's time writing stupid comments!
@@coimbralaw I asked what Gail Becker thought. You have no idea what I think. This pointless non sequitur says everything anyone needs to know about Ciombra Law. Cheap and not worth the price.
Tim, it's great that you wrote ''Why we did it'''. But, that's not enough (unfortunately because shit, writing such a book is already huge)! Sorry to pile on extra responsibility but it is time to save America!
Excellent interview, although Mr. Miller was skillful in glossing over the giant elephant of race that underlies much of the politics of this country since founding, but certainly over the past two decades…which makes for nice civil discourse while feeding the elephant in the room.
@@brunogauthier1 yes, we do need two strong decent political parties... I get that, but do you really believe the GOP can survive the massive loss of talent that is Tim Miller? Or was that sarcasm?
@@brunogauthier1 ok, so you really believe the GOP can't survive the massive loss of talent that is Tim Miller. First, why do you think they can't survive the loss of one guy, and second, why do you think Tim is a massive talent? *The reason I thought it was sarcastic is because I don't know one other person that believes your statement.
The classical role of government is to tax away economic rents and use it to lower the cost of production. This is done through subsidies for such things as public infrastructure, education, and health care, not raising the cost of living and therefore the cost of labor, as with monopolistic privatization. The problem with economics as it is understood in America, is that there is no distinction between wealth production and wealth extraction. Production of goods and services speaks for itself, but monopolies and the banks (FIRE, finance, insurance, and real estate) extract what is called economic rent. In the US, economic rent is counted as an addition to GDP, when in fact it is an extraction from GDP. The free market Adam Smith talked about is free FROM economic rent, not free FOR economic rent. This is Industrial Capitalism (China) as opposed to Financial Capitalism (USA), and it is what the conflict is really all about. American democracy is entirely theatrical with the majority having no more effect on the rentier oligarchy than the Chinese majority on the Communist Party of China. If the US was a democracy, we would have a decent minimum wage, public health care, free education, parental leave, and gun control, to name a few, all by the expressed will of the majority. By definition, an oligarchy is a form of government in which power is held by a small number of people. Republics are a type of democracy in which the people elect representatives to create and vote on legislation, rather than voting on that legislation themselves. We have institutionalized opposition at best, not representation at all.
No, not fundamentally possible for Dems to produce an autocratic cult leader...it does however , work for repubs with their 'smaller government', etc. ideals.
I'm sure you have addressed this before, but could you direct me to that interview or episode? My question is, how can we think he could actually be re-ele⁷cted? He didn't win the popular vote in either election. In 2016 he was running against Hillary, so he didn't win that election, Hillary lost. Biden didn't have that hostility that Hillary had, so he won and I can't believe that Biden's age is so big a concern that people would vote for Trump instead. Since Jan 6, so many Republicans have turned against him. 95% of his administration wouldn't vote for him again. How can he possibly be ahead in the polls?
In 2009 the Democrats had the White House and control of both houses of Congress. The results: Americans Living in Poverty in January, 2009: 43,000,000 Americans Living in Poverty in November, 2016: 49,000,000 Americans on Food Stamps in January, 2009: 30,000,000 Americans on Food Stamps in November, 2016: 49,000,000 American Homeownership Rate in January, 2009: 67.5% American Homeownership Rate in November, 2016: 62.9% American Labor Force Participation Rate in January, 2009: 65.7% American Labor Force Participation Rate in November, 2016: 62.7% American Union Members in January, 2009: ~16.1 million American Union Members in November, 2016: ~14.6 million Since 2008, all of the gains in the economy have gone to the top 10%, ALL of it, with all but a small fraction of those gains going to the top 1%. NOTHING for the bottom 90%! Obama betrayed us. He ran on “hope and change”, and we believed him. Unfortunately for us, the “change” was that instead of the very top getting MOST of whatever economic growth we had, they would instead get ALL of it. That was the “change”. The “hope” was that we would not notice that. We noticed. The result was Democrats lost seats at all levels of government from 2010 all the way to 2016, where we got Trump. Obama almost lost in 2012, and probably would have if not running against Mr. Bain Capital.
You forget 8 yes of Bush and the crash they caused. Obama had a lot to get it all going do you remember all the money Obama had given for homeowners to save there homes the republicans made sure of like 12% or some crazy amount went to the homeowners but the republicans put alot of people in in 2010 even tho they were the ones that caused the problem. Like right now trump's decisions hurt the USA here and around the world so Biden had all that and COVID and many things to fix that takes time. So many again are listening to the republicans. It's really sad. Most republicans are for top top 1% and corp. And democrats are more for the needs of the majority and the future like climate change and people's rights. Republicans claim to be against big gov. But try to control everything regardless of what the majority wants or need.
It’s hard to get stuff done when one side made a pact, from day one, to deny anything the president tried to do. Obama was able to get the Affordable Care Act done…..which was actually a Republican plan.
Mr. Miller, great insight! One thing bothers me is "the base" i assume im VP HARRIS/DEMOCRAT base. Hopefully, one day, "the base" will be "the people" again. What is best all around. Gender, lover, zealot, throw a dart, youll hit somthin. Vindictive, bigotry shouldnt be in the base and narcissism are not a positive attribute. No leader for the people.
Watched numerous interviews with brother Miller, and I haven't seen anyone ask about chapter 2 of his book. Maybe they thought like I didn't, what does his sexuality have to do with the subject of the book
I watched an interview where it was a big part of his decision to leave the current Rethugligan party. They are working in many ways to make his life miserable and try to force guys back into the closet.
I’m getting the feeling that these young people are not realizing the significance of this current disaster.
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Exactly....the inability to see the extreme danger our democracy is in will lead us to be coming the next Hungary
@@ecstanton Tim Miller recently was on msnbc with a panel of former repubs calling out their party for the despicableness of going to Hungary for CPAC. I think they are aware. This just wasn't the conversation for that since the book and convo are more about the past and how it got here.
Although I will say, DeSantis scares the sht out of me way more than Orange Dumpling does so I'm glad Dan pushed back on that lol he absolutely would challenge an election. Maybe not to the level/length but at this point it won't take a very sustained effort to do immense damage because of how destabilized things already are
Tim Miller has been spot-on - as an author for The Bulwark - for the last few years with regard to the very real dangers to American democracy posed by Trump, McConnell, etc
JD Vance's book shows his tough childhood, the help he got, the social services his family relied upon, and then his fortunate accident ending up at Harvard, then ends with saying governments never solve anything, people shouldn't avail themselves of government assistance, and everyone can bootstrap their way to success as he did.
Right after all the help he received he pulled himself up by the bootstraps. Why is their such hypocrisy in the Republican Party? Is it because Fox News just let's them lie on air? I just watched a video where two men on Fox News said they testified to the Jan. 6th committee that Trump had the National Guard on alert on Jan. 6th. Then they played the actual tape of their testimony and they said the exact opposite, but will Fox watchers every hear the truth? Of course not.
Except those stories weren’t from his childhood but the tough childhoods of other people and not his own. So his came up from nothing story is a farce. Just like “billionaire” trump asking his low income voters for donations. All scams.
Hopefully if Ryan wins we won't hear from Vance again.
It's hilarious how many people use the metaphor, "pull yourself up by your bootstraps," when it was created to show how impossible that idea was to pull yourself up by bootstraps.Try it, put your boots on and see if u can stand up by pulling on the straps........ it's not possible .....btw Vance is grifting.
@@lottaapples8635 i find it very difficult, over and over again, to watch just how many prefer to avoid reality.
"The conservative media complex probably makes it (returning to sanity) impossible." This throw away comment IS the current crisis.
To be a republican during this time in our history is unconscionable.
Lies again? Republic Polytechnic
@@NazriB Sorry, your comment is a bit too vague. Who/what are you referring to?
How so?
@@billbillerton6122 The folks currently in the GOP are O.K. with how Hungary is run and wish to emulate this 'in name only' democracy and are doing everything politically and judicially possible to have minority rule in this country: this is something you may wish to look into, Mr. Billerton.
@@AnaTai3 What's wrong with how Hungary is being run? Do the majority of Hungarians agree with Orban? Your argument is based histrionic hyperbole. More and more people are jumping off the Democrat ship and headed to Republicans you'll see come November.
Basically, what is being talked about here is the same thing that is happening to the Catholic Church and even evangelical churches and I am a perfect example of it. You don't grow up conservative in a small town, then get an education, travel around the world and live abroad and stay in the same limiting conservative groups you grew up in as a more enlightened member. You just leave. Unfortunately, the effect that is having on a lot of organizations around the world is that what is left, is more and more narrow minded, conservative members. And it just keeps getting worse. As more become disenchanted and leave, eventually all that is left is the dregs. And when these organizations finally start scraping bottom, they create a lot of trouble until they finally burn themselves out or are eliminated. That seems to be going on now with the GOP. It will probable stop when the older generation that still clings to it is finally gone.
"It's like a dying star, smaller, hotter, crazier"
You all will get old someday also.
Some older folk are still very bright you call it experience and wisdom
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Christians should be in politics and vote
But Christians should not bring politics into the church IMHO
Church is spiritual
Politics is secular
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I totally agree with you. I have been travelling the world since 1976. We are not the greatest country in the world. We could be and should be, ut we are too greedy and imoral to be.
I am a woman of a certain age, someone who was a political independent for decades. But I do believe that government has the power to do good things, and that it should look out for its powerless citizens. I love Tim Miller because he's smart, honest, and a very nice guy. He's also hilarious! I see him on MSNBC all the time because I also love Nicolle Wallace's show, Deadline: White House. I find disentangled former Republicans to be very insightful, politically. They see what's really going on! I hope Tim's book is a big success!
A remedy for voting....when I worked as a poll helper, there were 2 Dems, 2 Repubs in every precinct, eyeballing every move, from standing in line to walking to the machine. We had to go to classes, learn rules, and sign a paper under penalty of perjury (20 yrs) that we would not coerce.......etc
Sadly, Trump and the GOP accused the election officials back in 2020, of not allowing their Republican observers to watch. This, like all Trump lies, is just a lie. However, most of his cult members believed him regardless of reality and facts. They are now a cult, and must be stopped.
He might be civil but please be prepared to protect yourselves against the modern republican party.
He left it sometime ago.
lul the ignorant irony
So great to hear Tim is donating ALL his proceeds from this book to charity.
Giving the proceeds to himself is charity, technically.. But it misses the bigger point that he is a hollow person without morals, integrity, or a soul. Yeah you know where you can go Tim Miller.
Did he donate the check for the deal?
You could have stopped trump in 2016 if you had weeded the field. He won because so many people were running that he got a plurality. More people voted against him than for him In the aggregate.
very true, LP :(
Trump might not have beaten Bernie Sanders though, had the DNC not excluded his candidacy in favor of Hillary.
Trump won because the GOP does not listen to their voters, only to their rich donors. Their voter base was SCREAMING they wanted a NON POLITICIAN. Trump got into the race by donating a million dollars to the GOP, and then the GOP simply did not vet him. The GOP also took in some 150 million of Russian money through various straw men. Oleg Parnas? That was just one.
@@adacasas511 Doubtful. A lot of people hear "socialism" and think Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot and Mao, not modern France / Norway / Sweden.
@@adacasas511Hillary got a lot more votes than trump and yes Russia interfered tolls lied so much about her.
She got healthcare for children back in the 90s and Obama care had Hillary & Romney's hands in it. Those lies about her still go on today she has been a Christian since she was very young. If you win it should be done with truth
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There is no such thing as a new Republican party.
Of course there is. The parties have shifted in their voting bases and different elite interests over the course of the country's history. Stipulating that these have alway been parties of, by and for the capitalist class, and that reactionary, nativist, conspiracist politics stretches back at least to the old Anti-Masonic Party, and arguably earlier into colonial times, the beginnings of the recognizably modern GOP brand as we know it start really begins with the John Birch Society in the 1950s, which later gloms onto the Goldwater campaign.
A metamorphosis in reverse.
@@janosmarothy5409 I think it's all the same and both parties are no different. Main thing they both want is dominion over the population and power. Nothing has changed unless your talking about its worse, then you are correct.
Fabulous interview. Reminds me of the 60’s and 70’s when both republicans and democrats could play nice in the sandbox.
Yes....and I left the US for that very reason, never regretting my decision. Do you know how other countries perceive the US now? Best not to ask.
@@classicalaid1 I was on a cruise in Europe precovid and I used to tell people The truth. I’m a socialist and I voted for Biden
@@susieb7274 Sounds like a grounded step in a sane direction, Susie B. PS My closest friend, who I have known since grade three. is also Susie B. A small world.
@@classicalaid1 oh fr they think we’re a bunch of morons. To put it very nicely.
@@P1MPST1K and they wouldn't be wrong, Mike!
You got it so right, no pun intended, but never, never, never is it correct to condone sacrifice of integrity for success. Truth and Integrity don't ever wobble or waver, even a little bit.
that depends on how you define those terms. I agree with your general sentiment tho.
Not directly related but could interst some viewers... I rewatched Caroll Leonning's interview "The Rise and Fall of the Secret Service" ... Some things in there (especially in the last 30 minutes) take on a totally different sense in light of what we learned in the hearings on J6..
This s one of the scariest revelations about Trump that I have ever heard. It reaffirms the racism and ugliness that runs deep in this country.
Yes, but we need to look it square in the eye now that we know how ugly it is. Ten years ago I still thought we had gotten past so much of it as a country - boy was I wrong.
Indeed! @@gtaylor6937
It is terrifying to hear the calm, nonchalant manner in this discussion. None of these people live out among Trump supporters and seem not to understand the monster they've taken part in creating.
These two didn't help create trump at all.
@@lindamullins1446 Perhaps you think some Republicans are "good" Republicans and that neoliberal policies have no impact on where we are today. I would disagree.
Agreed
@@lindamullins1446 Trump is the culmination of decades of moving the GOP towards the Right, starting in the 1960s. As with all movements, it started slowly, with the coddling of the Dixie Democrats, who fled en masse from 1964-1965 out of the Democrat Party into the welcoming arms of the GOP (see: Southern Strategy). Since that moment, the GOP has headed towards Fascism nonstop until Trump. They must be stopped.
@@totonow6955 I vote red straight ticket. I would absolutely never vote for a Democrat.
Tim Miller is a super star.
“Respecting” this Tim Miller fellow for speaking out is fine. But his cynical ambitious bs that got him here still bugs me
Q. What’s the difference between a trump republican and a Ukrainian?
A. A Ukrainian defends their capitol.
Are you referring to the protest turned riot via deliberate government agent provocateurs?
Bingo
I don't think we have rational behavior. It's emotional. People decide emotionally, then try to justify it. Selfishness and greed in politics is mirrored in busines: Enron, the housing crash, human factors affecting climate change, etc. For all those who opt for short-term gain for themselves including the media, we all have ourselves to blame..
So glad to hear a great discussion! Thanks, Dan. You are my hero, you know!
“Why We Did It” would make a great movie, in the genre of “The Candidate” and “Primary Colors”. I propose Adam McKay as writer/director and Timothée Chalamet as Tim (the boy can do comedy-he’s been good on SNL).
Talk about how mitch mcconnell worked to overthrown democracy
wait, what?
Very true. McConnell created the present state of the gop manipulating our nation's democracy and politics dating back to the w administration. How this is often overlooked or forgotten is unbelievable.
Thanks I think I get it now. I really had trouble understanding how people could fall under the Trump spell prior to this interview. I just hope that at least some Trumpers can become as introspective as this interviewee. We as a world have a huge problem with our individual psych's.
History has shown us similar situations where intelligent, well-heeled persons fall under the ''spell'' of a magical orator. Personally, Trump is a kindergarten speaker...but that is not the case for many persons who have issues with what America is offering them at this time.
@@crazypaulinquebec The fact is America is offering more to more of its people than any people have ever been offered in history. Trump supporters just can't stand prosperity. Even if their dreams go down in flames, as I think they inevitabley will, many of them will not live long enough to rage about it.
I caucused for Ron Paul in Houma, La. in 2008 and 2012. My girlfriend started the South La. for Ron Paul website. People came in and took over. We were naive and let them. The fiasco that ensued at the Convention was eerily similar to Jan. 6 fiasco.
Love love love our Tim Miller ...
Tim is terrific. I never realized before what makes him so endearing. If you watch this interview without looking at the screen, you would think it was Jerry Seinfeld talking.
Tim Miller is a very articulate, intelligent guy. It's hard to believe he was ever a Republican. I must read his book.
Thank you for sharing this conversation.
That should tell you a lot. That greed is far more motivating than integrity and morals.
A lot of nerds go this way because they Excell in this environment. Others go to science and are usually non conservatives
He's gay. Lots of gay men are quite versed in many intellectual endeavors. It's pretty normal for them.
The ads on this post are abhorrent!! Ugh! The Daily Wire? Anti-trans ads? Wth?
The Daily Wire is advertising everywhere.
Not anti trans, just pro common sense.
What it all comes down to, It’s all about the ego, people selling themselves for wealth and fame, like the geek who was bullied, becomes the bully to get revenge and everyone knows there’s are many ways to get revenge, like Clarance Thomas said that he was going to make liberals pay for whatever they may have done to make him feel demeaned, perhaps rightly so for his ultra conservative views…
very true. What motivates trump is his fragile ego. He was insulted by obama and that was the begining.
Of yes, Clarence Thomas has made it clear how misogynistic he is.
Loved this conversation. Listening to Dan always makes me feel a tad more learned, or a little less uninformed. Have seen several interviews recently with Tim and have started following him too. Love them together. Gonna buy that book.
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I won't watch. Only when the GOP becomes authentically empathic and compassionate and serve the greater good. Get them off the dole.
Our lives are just a piece in the Game
I feel revolted to see the caliber of person who manipulates this "game" of politics. He's kind of an awful person. Even now after his awakening.
c'mon, singingway, Tim's a good guy.
Agreed. Cybicism at its height. And his comfort level got him out of the rethug bs. Dumbass base folk cant or won’t
Great conversation . Love the energy of these two.
yeah so weird that people can be gay and yet intelligent and insightful and not mention hairdressing even once ;)
not that there's anything wrong with hairdressing (sorry, Trevor, no offense intended)
I bought Tim's book a couple of days ago and looking forward to reading it soon. This interview with Dan is terrific!!
You are an awesome group and Tim is and awesome patriot and person.
Fantastic, throughly delightful conversation! I love Tim Miller (Bulwark Plus member) and have heard / seen Dan Pfeiffer many times on Crooked Media and the two together was great. I did not realize Dan was so funny... they both are humble, thoughtful and insightful.
But … Death Santis is worse.
Best case Death Santis isn’t governing Florida anymore and Dumpy and him Duke it out for all America to see their crazy and doesn’t vote for them…. Like we did last time. We have to vote them out. This didn’t age well In light of Death Santis in 2022. Vote 💯
They all knew. I have zero sympathy
Tim Miller's economic philosophy is totally opposite mine, yet i have so much respect for him. The reason why is he does not think the end justify the means. He is a man with empathy.
I am getting closer to joining the Coomonwealth Club. Dan and Tim, great comments and ideas.
hate a man because of skin color says a lot about the lack of character and ethos
It is very scary to listen to you, simply because you as a politician should work for the people and not enter a competition!
Tim was Great! Please read his book!
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So what's important is 'winning' no matter how heinous your candidate is... until that doesn't work, then you flip sides, write a book and grift off of that. Got it.
& “throw the base some red meat”. I can’t fathom this lack of respect for half of the country (the half that does the real work, by the way).
He's donating the book proceeds to charity, signalfire6!
@@lisanidog8178 Good! He needs to do penance for all the horror he caused. He helped give us all that was Trump.
Great interview
Great read. It was therapeutic for me
The giggling and laughter is offensive, given they're discussing the behind-the-scenes strategy to harm black people from having a modicum of ability to make progress in America.
These two speak so fast, so intelligently, and with such wit, that they could be reading an Aaron Sorkin script from the West Wing. Great conversation. This is where American politics would be if the extremists didn’t take over the Republican Party.
Most Americans lack media literacy, including me. Our education systems fail at teaching the basics of analyzing and vetting of media sources.
Why is it so difficult for European Americans to talk about their problems or hatred of African Americans?....
Well done - excellent insights. Thank you!
Tim, you and Stuart Stevens (ex-republican?, read his book and loved it) are honest, thinking people. Just working for the wrong side--the devils.
I still do not understand why anybody thinks this started only a few years ago. Remember how the TV audience loved Oliver North? Well, there you go...
This is a Great exchange!! Thanks
Thank you.
John McCain was a man of great integrity! I had the utmost respect for him.
Why? I'm curious what someone that didn't know him thinks about who he was and the things he did.
For my part, the fact that he did maintain a grasp on reality is the best thing I can say about him. He was a fairly frequent guest in my family's home, so I've had more than a couple of casual conversations with him over the course of my life.
@@rickb3650 nobody cares what you think
Until he didn't...
@@rickb3650 Firstly, you do not know anything about me! Secondly, you also do not know who I know or who I have known in my past! Moreover, even if you did know me, you still would not know everyone I know. My own family doesn't know that. Stop wasting people's time writing stupid comments!
@@coimbralaw I asked what Gail Becker thought. You have no idea what I think.
This pointless non sequitur says everything anyone needs to know about Ciombra Law.
Cheap and not worth the price.
The problem is always the media narrative and not the material conditions the majority of people live in.
perhaps not *always* but excellent point.
@@dukerbower2228 I was just going the say the very thing you say, DB.
the media never addresses anything that would expose the class issues at the root of social disfunction. a labor party is essential.
Tim, it's great that you wrote ''Why we did it'''. But, that's not enough (unfortunately because shit, writing such a book is already huge)! Sorry to pile on extra responsibility but it is time to save America!
Excellent interview, although Mr. Miller was skillful in glossing over the giant elephant of race that underlies much of the politics of this country since founding, but certainly over the past two decades…which makes for nice civil discourse while feeding the elephant in the room.
I watch Tim Miller a lot on MSNBC. I like him a lot!
It is very interesting to watch this a year later (October 2023).
What a lost for the GOP losing Tim Miller. No organization can survive a massive lost of talent like the GOP did.
Sounds like sarcasm, Bruno... is it?
@@mikejohnson3338 No it's not. We need 2 strong decent political parties.
@@brunogauthier1 yes, we do need two strong decent political parties... I get that, but do you really believe the GOP can survive the massive loss of talent that is Tim Miller? Or was that sarcasm?
@@mikejohnson3338 My previous reply started with "No it's not", meaning, I wasn't sarcastic
@@brunogauthier1 ok, so you really believe the GOP can't survive the massive loss of talent that is Tim Miller. First, why do you think they can't survive the loss of one guy, and second, why do you think Tim is a massive talent?
*The reason I thought it was sarcastic is because I don't know one other person that believes your statement.
I wish I could give this 10 thumbs up
Desantos is trump's mini me two peas in a pod.
Thankfully Tim was wrong about the red bloodbath in the mid-terms
Why o' why does an intelligent person fall into the republican doctrine?
The classical role of government is to tax away economic rents and use it to lower the cost of production. This is done through subsidies for such things as public infrastructure, education, and health care, not raising the cost of living and therefore the cost of labor, as with monopolistic privatization.
The problem with economics as it is understood in America, is that there is no distinction between wealth production and wealth extraction. Production of goods and services speaks for itself, but monopolies and the banks (FIRE, finance, insurance, and real estate) extract what is called economic rent. In the US, economic rent is counted as an addition to GDP, when in fact it is an extraction from GDP. The free market Adam Smith talked about is free FROM economic rent, not free FOR economic rent.
This is Industrial Capitalism (China) as opposed to Financial Capitalism (USA), and it is what the conflict is really all about.
American democracy is entirely theatrical with the majority having no more effect on the rentier oligarchy than the Chinese majority on the Communist Party of China.
If the US was a democracy, we would have a decent minimum wage, public health care, free education, parental leave, and gun control, to name a few, all by the expressed will of the majority.
By definition, an oligarchy is a form of government in which power is held by a small number of people. Republics are a type of democracy in which the people elect representatives to create and vote on legislation, rather than voting on that legislation themselves.
We have institutionalized opposition at best, not representation at all.
Jan. 6 hearing: Trump "chose not to act" during Capitol riot, didn't call ...
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Golden Calf then, Orange Calf now...
How about Tim stops blabbing about himself and his opinions and gets himself in the game. The country needs more action less BLAB.
What solutions do you have to offer other than blabbing?
The problem is electorate ignorance, a choice to embrace entertainment over substance, a failed state is the result..
No, not fundamentally possible for Dems to produce an autocratic cult leader...it does however , work for repubs with their 'smaller government', etc. ideals.
I never understood why McCain picked Palin or Why Clinton picked the guy who I don't remember his name for vice president 😳🥴
I'm sure you have addressed this before, but could you direct me to that interview or episode? My question is, how can we think he could actually be re-ele⁷cted? He didn't win the popular vote in either election. In 2016 he was running against Hillary, so he didn't win that election, Hillary lost. Biden didn't have that hostility that Hillary had, so he won and I can't believe that Biden's age is so big a concern that people would vote for Trump instead.
Since Jan 6, so many Republicans have turned against him. 95% of his administration wouldn't vote for him again. How can he possibly be ahead in the polls?
In 2009 the Democrats had the White House and control of both houses of Congress. The results:
Americans Living in Poverty in January, 2009: 43,000,000
Americans Living in Poverty in November, 2016: 49,000,000
Americans on Food Stamps in January, 2009: 30,000,000
Americans on Food Stamps in November, 2016: 49,000,000
American Homeownership Rate in January, 2009: 67.5%
American Homeownership Rate in November, 2016: 62.9%
American Labor Force Participation Rate in January, 2009: 65.7%
American Labor Force Participation Rate in November, 2016: 62.7%
American Union Members in January, 2009: ~16.1 million
American Union Members in November, 2016: ~14.6 million
Since 2008, all of the gains in the economy have gone to the top 10%, ALL of it, with all but a small fraction of those gains going to the top 1%. NOTHING for the bottom 90%!
Obama betrayed us. He ran on “hope and change”, and we believed him. Unfortunately for us, the “change” was that instead of the very top getting MOST of whatever economic growth we had, they would instead get ALL of it. That was the “change”. The “hope” was that we would not notice that.
We noticed.
The result was Democrats lost seats at all levels of government from 2010 all the way to 2016, where we got Trump. Obama almost lost in 2012, and probably would have if not running against Mr. Bain Capital.
You forget 8 yes of Bush and the crash they caused. Obama had a lot to get it all going do you remember all the money Obama had given for homeowners to save there homes the republicans made sure of like 12% or some crazy amount went to the homeowners but the republicans put alot of people in in 2010 even tho they were the ones that caused the problem. Like right now trump's decisions hurt the USA here and around the world so Biden had all that and COVID and many things to fix that takes time. So many again are listening to the republicans. It's really sad. Most republicans are for top top 1% and corp. And democrats are more for the needs of the majority and the future like climate change and people's rights. Republicans claim to be against big gov. But try to control everything regardless of what the majority wants or need.
It’s hard to get stuff done when one side made a pact, from day one, to deny anything the president tried to do. Obama was able to get the Affordable Care Act done…..which was actually a Republican plan.
Those figures have remained constant throughout Bush, Obama and Trump and Biden. It was because Obama was black
A modern day Lee Atwater. There is no joking here.
Mr. Miller, great insight! One thing bothers me is "the base" i assume im VP HARRIS/DEMOCRAT base. Hopefully, one day, "the base" will be "the people" again. What is best all around. Gender, lover, zealot, throw a dart, youll hit somthin. Vindictive, bigotry shouldnt be in the base and narcissism are not a positive attribute. No leader for the people.
I hate Priuses and Coexist stickers too. That’s why I have a Tesla with the Fiction sticker spelled out with the same religious symbols lol
How tall is Tim Miller?
I recommend the book Laboratories of Autocracy by David Pepper
The comment "boy" is so awful.
It made me sick listening to these two guys and how elitist they are.
This is not the new republicans.. it’s always been the republicans conservatives and evangelicals..
QA should never get in the way of production; we can not produce without QA.
14th Ammendment for criminal defendant #45😊
what part of obama do the haters hate:the european or the african
Gawd.. that "autopsy report." What a fantasy that was. 👼
The Eternal Victimhood and Grievance Culture of the Right Wing White.
The right wing only uses the word victimhood to describe others. They use the word 'persecution' for themselves for the same thing.
Anti-Trump Republicans are like,The Best Human Beings Ever
Paper straws...now that's a hill to die on.
Liz Cheney accuses Trump of historic misconduct
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Wow. Fire the cameraperson if they can't do a simple focus.
You were a part of the Trump machine and now you are like a lot of people trying to redeem yourself .
Watched numerous interviews with brother Miller, and I haven't seen anyone ask about chapter 2 of his book. Maybe they thought like I didn't, what does his sexuality have to do with the subject of the book
I watched an interview where it was a big part of his decision to leave the current Rethugligan party. They are working in many ways to make his life miserable and try to force guys back into the closet.
1:07:41 "I like Fetterman." There’s the red flag! 🇵🇸
did not know he was a repug until i watched pod save america...