You would have been A LOT better off buying something like a WR250R, DRZ400, KLX300, etc. Rider modes and switchable abs are not the reasons you were struggling off road. You were struggling because you're on a big/heavy bike as a new rider. You'd have WAY more fun on a smaller and lighter bike. Good luck with the KTM but I suspect it will be for sale in the future (or in the shop since it's a KTM 😂).
Yes I mentioned in the video it was a heavy big bike and that I was a newer rider! The KTM is lighter and carries its weight down low and also has the added features of rider modes! I will have a Dual Sport someday! All the dirt rides are 2 hours or more away from me... The KTM will be my daily driver that can also help me get into trouble off road!
@@JasonRidesmoto I had a Tiger 800 XCA, was same situation you discovered with the IBEX. Got a '23 890 Adventure R. Completely different animal off road. Have taken on technical single track. Even with KTM Gremlins, best ADV bike you can buy. Nothing handles like it. Will see what it look like @ 10,000 miles. Hopefully all good, if not. Top End time. Not All 790/890 engines are bad. I've see some well over 30K miles and still looking good.
You know you're an old school biker when the fewer modes, sensors and electronics on the machine are a positive not a negative. Never needed or wanted abs and still don't. Give me good, simple engineering every time and you can keep your tft's and sensors thanks. As for all that plastic that they shroud modern 'adventure' bikes in...makes some of them look like a partially squished praying mantis. Give me a good simple medium sized roadster with maybe upgraded shocks and a set of trail tyres and I'll go places that a lot of the larger 'adventure' bikes couldn't even think about handling. Good luck with the new machine; hope you have many happy miles and adventures.
Thanks God someone thinks like me. I have a gen 1 V Strom. I love it and it takes me everywhere. I love watching videos of off road riding courses - you see all these fossils on their GS's or big KTMs, all tricked up with everything - ABS, traction, 16 modes of suspension, engine mapping etc etc. Yet you watch them ride and they mostly couldn't ride a stick up a dog's arse. There's nowhere they will go on their tricked up electric bike where I won't be right behind them, or most likely in front of them, on my old V Strom. I posted something like this somewhere else and a guy came back and said I'm way wrong - get all the tricks on the bike and it will ride itself. What a zipperhead. If he thinks all those extras makes a better rider he's delusional. No electronic crap and you become the master - your skills improve .
@@tomdennis1474 100 percent; couldn't agree more. My last serious off roader was a Maico 490. It had a 'f£ck you' bitch of a two stroke bolted into some steel with a few add on bits to help you to try and stay with the bike. It even had some things that they called brakes which to be fair, did slow you down a bit if you worked them hard enough. Best bike ever. I've done all my biking in South Africa and the last thing you need when you are miles away from anything is a complicated electronic gubbins. That's the sort of thing that gets you in trouble when it throws a fit over a drop of water or dust. With my Maico and a basic tool kit, I'd at least have a good chance to get it running again. My motto; 'Keep it simple stupid!' All the best bud.
I own a Voge 900DSX, I had the same thoughts, its an amazing adventure bike, but not for those off road adventures, I bought a Voge 300 Rally, what an eye opener, i have been places i would never have thought possible.
As an owner of the 450MT (450 Ibex in USA) you're completely right. The 800 wasn't really tailored for technical trails and heavy offroad use. CFMOTO has rolled out the 800MTX recently, which is more a direct competitor to KTM's 790ADV lineup, with the dropping tank fuel-thingeys. As a cost-effective alternative, and if you don't want to wait for the 800MTX, maybe opt for the KOVE 800XPro or Rally, it's much more of an Offroad animal, but I can't say anything about how good they are in the long run. Or maybe you may want to downside as well, I own the 450MT and it's fantastic!
Hey Jason, fellow Minnesota adventure bike enthusiast here. Sure is a lot of KTM hate going on in the comments 🙄. I have 7400mi on my 23 901 Expedition and it has been a rock solid bike. Also good to see Kelly made a cameo appearance haha! Maybe we can get together for a ride next season.
If you want more offroad, I would have suggested 690/701 or go even lighter. Especially if you don't have a lot of dirt experience. Or what I did was got a little 250 dual sport....really boost that confidence and easy to pick up more than 10 times a day. Two bikes is ideal....after i got my vstrom 800de, really helped jumping back on that smaller bike once in a while.
You have to define what you want to do, and sometimes you need to try a few different things and bikes to know that. I've done the mud and dirt and am done cleaning the mud off the bike. Now I enjoy roads less travelled and taking in the sights on my V-Strom, but no hard-core trails. Stay safe out there, and enjoy the KTM!
Good luck with the reliability of your KTM... You should have kept the CFMOTO for when your KTM will be in the shop. But the KTM are a blast to ride, another level compared to any other bikes.
Went from heavy to a little less heavy. Being new I would have gone a dual sport or Himalayan 450 (or similar) route. Good luck, hope the KTM works out for you.
KTM 790/890 Adventure is 470ish pounds. RE is not much lighter. It's how the KTM carries its weight with the side pod fuel tanks, if doesn't feel like a heavy bike. Easier to pick up and the Rally Mode Traction control is on another level. Very hard to have this bike get out of control. I'll let you know how the BDRX Big Bend goes next month. Looking foward to playing in the desert of Texas
With the current situation that KTM are in right now, I’m amazed anyone would buy into their brand. Parts are scarce as it is, but if they go out of business altogether, there’ll be no official spare parts available. And if you’re unlucky enough to have a 790 with the camshaft issue, they might not be around to service a warranty claim.
As someone else already said, try a Kove 800x, basically same engine, less than 10k$, much lighter and weight down low, more rough in terms of accessories and stuff but more off-road capable, kyb suspension. I suggest you try it, it's awesome.
I looked at the Kove 450 pretty hard... Not sure when the 800x will be in America. The 450 was 10K here... My Ktm 790 was 11k out the door... I feel like I got more bike for the money which will allow me to do road trips and camping as well.
Congrats on the 790! I've been riding since 1994, other than two years with a few rides on a KLR650, all of my riding has been on small dual sport bikes: Two DR350s, a DRZ-400S, and two KTMs mixed in while I've owned the DR-Z. I owned the KLR during the time I owned the DR-Z too. I got sucked in to the Adventure bike thing again in late 2021 and bought a T7 in early 2022. I sold it for the same reasons you sold your 800 - it's too top heavy for me.
The KTM 790 Adventure is still a heavy bike for sure but it feels completely different and just way more manageable! I'll have a dual sport someday too!
Good balanced video. Most of the big adv bikes are way too top heavy. The BMW GS horizontal twins and the KTM 790/890 are the exceptions. The GS because the motor cg is lower and the KTM because the fuel tanks are lower. When I first saw the KTM 790 with the low saddle tanks up front where we need the weight I thought it would be a game changer and that soon every mfg would follow them but so far none of the other bikes have it. The low tanks add foot protection and engine protection as well as getting the weight lower. Yes, the tanks need seriously strong protection from falling on rocks, but so does the engine on our bikes. A strong slide plate and side case protection is required for off pavement riding so why not design the tanks to be part of the protection? The KTM 790/890 are still too heavy and expensive for me but the saddle tank design should trickle down to the smaller, lighter, and less expensive bikes... eventually.
I love mine. It’s the most comfortable standing up riding I’ve ridden. I’ve taken mine on some steep single track and it I do wish turning off abs was an option from factory. Looking forward to your 790 adventures.
KTM isn’t going anywhere. I don’t think you’re dumb for buying one. I’m pretty sure the 790 is going to be my next bike also! And people who say that the “cheese cam” issue hasn’t been fixed are going off of old news. For one thing,there never was an issue with the metallurgy of the cam;it was always an oil flow problem. And the pertinent part of the engine has been enlarged to fix that. But I don’t know everything either!
Good luck with your cams, couldn't trust my 890 R, sold it, even though it was perfect in every other way. FYI they never fixed the issue (that they claimed to fix but somehow also said was never an issue in the first place) that causes the cams to wear prematurely. KTM make disco party in your oil 🕺😫
mate dont feel bad Ive seen many riders with a world of bike experience on the road thing OK big adv bike off I go ...no these bikes I have a T7 require commitment and skill off road as a starting point. They are beasts and off road you have be onit. You will enjoy the smaller bike and the fun off road and being out in nature lots more. the 450MT I think are a great bike too. keep it and wait back on the gas :)
Your content and video production is really good, you definitely should have a lot more subs. I currently own an ibex 800t (5 years of riding), also my first adventure bike. Great overall bike, but I find the same problems you did with the top heavy weight of the bike. Definitely not a bike I would want to take on tough trails and have to pick up over and over again. Same conclusions as you it is a road venture style bike and not a true offroad style bike. The ibex doesn't have good feel in the front tire imo as well. Still own it, undecided on selling it, but looking to add to my bike collection in the garage soon.
@@bikerbeliever8169 Thanks for the kind words! It was a little sad to see the Ibex go but I’m definitely happy with the KTM. Just hope the company can get their ish together and be around to support any potential warranty issues I may have!
I think u should consider kove moto, 450rally curb weight around 160kg~, 800rally about 170kg~, to me they are very dedicated to off road segment, hell the founder is rally, enduro fan.
I looked into the KOVE 450 and it would have been the same price for a totally different type of riding experience. I considered it hard... but that hard off road riding for me is all 2 hours or more away... the KTM will be my daily motorcycle that I can do a more variety of trips with...
@JasonRidesmoto if u ride on road more than off road yeah then KTM ADV line is good enough, if u do 60off/40on or 70/30 maybe pick a lighter bike. But it still a nice ride. Ride safe brother
I thought this video might end with the selection of the CF Moto 450 Ibex. It's getting a lot of good reviews. In many ways it's the lightweight off road oriented ADV bike we've begged the Big Moto cartel to make for decades as they told us to buy their expensive bloated mid and full size ADV bikes. Good luck with the KTM 790. I would have shied away because of the cheese cam issue, even before the announcement of their financial troubles.
cfmoto 800mt is a more road adventure bike. What you need is a dirt bike. cfmoto has another bike coming cfmoto 800mtx, a completely redesign from the 800mt, it is more like the ktm 790 adventure without the more expensive addon cost. It has the petrol tank slightly at the bottom, making it more agile. But for offroad the cfmoto 450mt does the job better
Its been here in China for last few months. I have ridden it, its pretty good and a lot more off-road orientated than the 800MT, more modes and cheaper. 100% agree on the 450MT, quite a physically big bike too
I will have a dirt bike someday. For now I want a daily driver that can take me places... moto camp as well as dabble off road. That's the KTM 790 Adventure for now!
Ibex 800MT is a touring bike with some dirt road capabilities. CFMOTO is releasing 800MT-X soon and it's a much better bike for off roads purposes. It's a beef up version of the 450MT and a copy from KTM Adventure 799. Look at the tyres/wheel sizes if you want a better off road bike. 17/19 inch like your bike is for light trails only. 18/21 inch like the 450MT are more dirt capable.
Nice video. Randomly saw it. You should try the new Kove 800x Pro . It's light , has pretty close the same engine, but a very different feel. Weighs about 183KG
@puffybodie5282 Well Im what you call a middle eastern with 90 kg weight. That's why an 800x pro is great. There's a 95 kg Irish guy called "Gary's Journey" doing south america trip on Kove 800x Pro. Check him out
I agree with you, but in his case, not being able to turn off traction control would suck. Anything built to go off road should be able to shut TC off.
"Ride me hard please".... rides the bike through a puddle haha jokes aside; you're a beginner off-road rider, anything over a 500cc is going to be too heavy or have too much low end torque for you. Why so many new ADV riders make this mistake is beyond me, there is far too much ego in the motorcycle enthusiast world labelling below 700cc bikes as "small". Nothing can be further from the truth. Get a 450MT or a Himalayan 450 since you obviously have to do long commutes to get to the trails. You'll be right at home, those are great beginner bikes that are even a solid option for experienced riders who want something more nimble. They can handle long highway rides and they will be much more forgiving once you're off the road. Once you're ready, get a Kove 450 or a Kove 800X.
For all round reliability get a drz400 or a dr650 no electronics just reliable old school bikes the DR650 has a bad seat but otherwise they are fun lighter bikes you can trust not like a Chinese KTM.
@@JasonRidesmotoThanks for your response. In that case I would go lighter [but I am older and weaker, definitely not wiser] So much more fun at little time lost on highway. A real toss up between adventure and dual sports though. Do you pick bike for course or course for bike? Usually the second choice wins out. Overnighters definitely favor adventure bikes' carrying capacity.
@JasonRidesmoto before I moved to a place with trails close by, I would spent 2 hours on the highway with my WR250R to get to the offroad riding. I'd much rather suffer a bit on the highway than be struggling in the dirt dropping a very expensive bike.
@@RobertRobert-d2r I also like to moto camp and do trips so yes this is my choice for now that hits all of the requirements for what I want to do. Believe me I shopped the hell out of Dual Sports, Dirt Bikes, Smaller 450 bikes etc... This was what I found was the best balance for me. But I do actually want to add a dual sport to the garage! WR250R is at the top of my list.
Haven’t got to end yet, at 652 you are getting far too techie. For off road its very very simple. To advance you need time in the saddle and expert coaching guidance riding something less than half the weight. You did well only dropping that pig 3 times! OMG just got to the end and you replaced it with almost the exact same thing! Dur
@@JasonRidesmoto Same engine. Produced by CFmoto here in China for both 790 and 800MT. Even the labels on the internal parts are KTM. This year 800MT-X was released and it's functionally similar to 790, same weight, same fuel tank... As much as I like 790 tho, I believe there are better bikes for off-road duty. Check out Aprilia Tuareg or Kove 800x. Very lightweight, super easy to control
@@danb6497 I have 2 plus hours on the highway until I get to dirt riding. So I’m trying to find a good balance! Would love a light dirt weapon but for now this is a nice compromise!
@@JasonRidesmoto Lack of comfort even on dual sport bikes is exaggerated. It's not all that bad as long as you don't wear super aggressive knobbies. I own 800x and it's a solid mile muncher, I don't own a car and ride it daily, so that has to mean something. The throttle is a bit rough, but from 2024 they have ride-by-wire, that was addressed. No fancy electronics compared to 790, but I don't see much point in anything beyond ABS. Still quite fun and easy both on and off-road.
You would have been A LOT better off buying something like a WR250R, DRZ400, KLX300, etc. Rider modes and switchable abs are not the reasons you were struggling off road. You were struggling because you're on a big/heavy bike as a new rider. You'd have WAY more fun on a smaller and lighter bike. Good luck with the KTM but I suspect it will be for sale in the future (or in the shop since it's a KTM 😂).
Yes I mentioned in the video it was a heavy big bike and that I was a newer rider! The KTM is lighter and carries its weight down low and also has the added features of rider modes! I will have a Dual Sport someday! All the dirt rides are 2 hours or more away from me... The KTM will be my daily driver that can also help me get into trouble off road!
@@JasonRidesmoto I had a Tiger 800 XCA, was same situation you discovered with the IBEX. Got a '23 890 Adventure R. Completely different animal off road. Have taken on technical single track. Even with KTM Gremlins, best ADV bike you can buy. Nothing handles like it. Will see what it look like @ 10,000 miles. Hopefully all good, if not. Top End time. Not All 790/890 engines are bad. I've see some well over 30K miles and still looking good.
@@jasonbehr7144 Great to hear this from another KTM rider! The bike is very confidence inspiring!
Or…..the 450MT.
You know you're an old school biker when the fewer modes, sensors and electronics on the machine are a positive not a negative. Never needed or wanted abs and still don't. Give me good, simple engineering every time and you can keep your tft's and sensors thanks. As for all that plastic that they shroud modern 'adventure' bikes in...makes some of them look like a partially squished praying mantis. Give me a good simple medium sized roadster with maybe upgraded shocks and a set of trail tyres and I'll go places that a lot of the larger 'adventure' bikes couldn't even think about handling. Good luck with the new machine; hope you have many happy miles and adventures.
@@cousinjack2841 Thanks man!
Thanks God someone thinks like me. I have a gen 1 V Strom. I love it and it takes me everywhere. I love watching videos of off road riding courses - you see all these fossils on their GS's or big KTMs, all tricked up with everything - ABS, traction, 16 modes of suspension, engine mapping etc etc. Yet you watch them ride and they mostly couldn't ride a stick up a dog's arse. There's nowhere they will go on their tricked up electric bike where I won't be right behind them, or most likely in front of them, on my old V Strom. I posted something like this somewhere else and a guy came back and said I'm way wrong - get all the tricks on the bike and it will ride itself. What a zipperhead. If he thinks all those extras makes a better rider he's delusional. No electronic crap and you become the master - your skills improve .
@ I just need the bike to ride itself 😂
@@tomdennis1474 100 percent; couldn't agree more. My last serious off roader was a Maico 490. It had a 'f£ck you' bitch of a two stroke bolted into some steel with a few add on bits to help you to try and stay with the bike. It even had some things that they called brakes which to be fair, did slow you down a bit if you worked them hard enough. Best bike ever. I've done all my biking in South Africa and the last thing you need when you are miles away from anything is a complicated electronic gubbins. That's the sort of thing that gets you in trouble when it throws a fit over a drop of water or dust. With my Maico and a basic tool kit, I'd at least have a good chance to get it running again. My motto; 'Keep it simple stupid!' All the best bud.
I own a Voge 900DSX, I had the same thoughts, its an amazing adventure bike, but not for those off road adventures, I bought a Voge 300 Rally, what an eye opener, i have been places i would never have thought possible.
@@motechRevolution Awesome!
As an owner of the 450MT (450 Ibex in USA) you're completely right. The 800 wasn't really tailored for technical trails and heavy offroad use. CFMOTO has rolled out the 800MTX recently, which is more a direct competitor to KTM's 790ADV lineup, with the dropping tank fuel-thingeys.
As a cost-effective alternative, and if you don't want to wait for the 800MTX, maybe opt for the KOVE 800XPro or Rally, it's much more of an Offroad animal, but I can't say anything about how good they are in the long run. Or maybe you may want to downside as well, I own the 450MT and it's fantastic!
I considered the 450 Cfmoto! It's just arriving here in the US...
Hey Jason, fellow Minnesota adventure bike enthusiast here. Sure is a lot of KTM hate going on in the comments 🙄. I have 7400mi on my 23 901 Expedition and it has been a rock solid bike.
Also good to see Kelly made a cameo appearance haha! Maybe we can get together for a ride next season.
Hey thanks for the kinds words! Always looking for people to ride with!
Awwww yeah! Go Tuareg! :D
@@snbrd4evr There he is!
Just get a v strom 800 .....you ll never gonna sell it.......fabulous and reliable suzuki bike !,
If you want more offroad, I would have suggested 690/701 or go even lighter. Especially if you don't have a lot of dirt experience. Or what I did was got a little 250 dual sport....really boost that confidence and easy to pick up more than 10 times a day. Two bikes is ideal....after i got my vstrom 800de, really helped jumping back on that smaller bike once in a while.
I thought hard about a Dual Sport and will have one someday... For me all the dirt riding is 2 hours away. I wanted a daily rider as well!
You have to define what you want to do, and sometimes you need to try a few different things and bikes to know that. I've done the mud and dirt and am done cleaning the mud off the bike. Now I enjoy roads less travelled and taking in the sights on my V-Strom, but no hard-core trails. Stay safe out there, and enjoy the KTM!
Thank you! Ride safe!
Good luck with the reliability of your KTM... You should have kept the CFMOTO for when your KTM will be in the shop. But the KTM are a blast to ride, another level compared to any other bikes.
Went from heavy to a little less heavy. Being new I would have gone a dual sport or Himalayan 450 (or similar) route. Good luck, hope the KTM works out for you.
I shopped long and hard for a Dual Sport but I need a main motorcycle to ride daily and all the dirt rides are 2 to 3 hours away!
KTM 790/890 Adventure is 470ish pounds. RE is not much lighter. It's how the KTM carries its weight with the side pod fuel tanks, if doesn't feel like a heavy bike. Easier to pick up and the Rally Mode Traction control is on another level. Very hard to have this bike get out of control. I'll let you know how the BDRX Big Bend goes next month. Looking foward to playing in the desert of Texas
With the current situation that KTM are in right now, I’m amazed anyone would buy into their brand. Parts are scarce as it is, but if they go out of business altogether, there’ll be no official spare parts available. And if you’re unlucky enough to have a 790 with the camshaft issue, they might not be around to service a warranty claim.
It is a point of concern for sure...
As someone else already said, try a Kove 800x, basically same engine, less than 10k$, much lighter and weight down low, more rough in terms of accessories and stuff but more off-road capable, kyb suspension. I suggest you try it, it's awesome.
I looked at the Kove 450 pretty hard... Not sure when the 800x will be in America. The 450 was 10K here... My Ktm 790 was 11k out the door... I feel like I got more bike for the money which will allow me to do road trips and camping as well.
@JasonRidesmoto still a good deal I would say, have fun with it! Ride safe ✌🏻
Congrats on the 790! I've been riding since 1994, other than two years with a few rides on a KLR650, all of my riding has been on small dual sport bikes: Two DR350s, a DRZ-400S, and two KTMs mixed in while I've owned the DR-Z. I owned the KLR during the time I owned the DR-Z too.
I got sucked in to the Adventure bike thing again in late 2021 and bought a T7 in early 2022.
I sold it for the same reasons you sold your 800 - it's too top heavy for me.
The KTM 790 Adventure is still a heavy bike for sure but it feels completely different and just way more manageable! I'll have a dual sport someday too!
Good balanced video. Most of the big adv bikes are way too top heavy. The BMW GS horizontal twins and the KTM 790/890 are the exceptions. The GS because the motor cg is lower and the KTM because the fuel tanks are lower. When I first saw the KTM 790 with the low saddle tanks up front where we need the weight I thought it would be a game changer and that soon every mfg would follow them but so far none of the other bikes have it.
The low tanks add foot protection and engine protection as well as getting the weight lower. Yes, the tanks need seriously strong protection from falling on rocks, but so does the engine on our bikes. A strong slide plate and side case protection is required for off pavement riding so why not design the tanks to be part of the protection? The KTM 790/890 are still too heavy and expensive for me but the saddle tank design should trickle down to the smaller, lighter, and less expensive bikes... eventually.
Can't wait to see it out on the trails!!!
Same!
I love mine. It’s the most comfortable standing up riding I’ve ridden. I’ve taken mine on some steep single track and it I do wish turning off abs was an option from factory. Looking forward to your 790 adventures.
What are you replacing it with?
KTM isn’t going anywhere. I don’t think you’re dumb for buying one. I’m pretty sure the 790 is going to be my next bike also! And people who say that the “cheese cam” issue hasn’t been fixed are going off of old news. For one thing,there never was an issue with the metallurgy of the cam;it was always an oil flow problem. And the pertinent part of the engine has been enlarged to fix that. But I don’t know everything either!
I'm loving the bike so far... Exactly what I want for now!
Sounds like a logical progression in your decision making.
Thank you!
Good luck with your cams, couldn't trust my 890 R, sold it, even though it was perfect in every other way. FYI they never fixed the issue (that they claimed to fix but somehow also said was never an issue in the first place) that causes the cams to wear prematurely. KTM make disco party in your oil 🕺😫
Yup. So many good bikes out there, but finding one that's right for you is tough. I predict this won't be your last. Ride on!
You're probably right. Most likely not my last!
mate dont feel bad Ive seen many riders with a world of bike experience on the road thing OK big adv bike off I go ...no these bikes I have a T7 require commitment and skill off road as a starting point. They are beasts and off road you have be onit. You will enjoy the smaller bike and the fun off road and being out in nature lots more. the 450MT I think are a great bike too. keep it and wait back on the gas :)
Thank you!
Your content and video production is really good, you definitely should have a lot more subs. I currently own an ibex 800t (5 years of riding), also my first adventure bike. Great overall bike, but I find the same problems you did with the top heavy weight of the bike. Definitely not a bike I would want to take on tough trails and have to pick up over and over again. Same conclusions as you it is a road venture style bike and not a true offroad style bike. The ibex doesn't have good feel in the front tire imo as well. Still own it, undecided on selling it, but looking to add to my bike collection in the garage soon.
@@bikerbeliever8169 Thanks for the kind words! It was a little sad to see the Ibex go but I’m definitely happy with the KTM. Just hope the company can get their ish together and be around to support any potential warranty issues I may have!
I think u should consider kove moto, 450rally curb weight around 160kg~, 800rally about 170kg~, to me they are very dedicated to off road segment, hell the founder is rally, enduro fan.
I looked into the KOVE 450 and it would have been the same price for a totally different type of riding experience. I considered it hard... but that hard off road riding for me is all 2 hours or more away... the KTM will be my daily motorcycle that I can do a more variety of trips with...
@JasonRidesmoto if u ride on road more than off road yeah then KTM ADV line is good enough, if u do 60off/40on or 70/30 maybe pick a lighter bike. But it still a nice ride. Ride safe brother
My IBex is going to miss it's brother!!!😢
It now has a new step brother 😂
I thought this video might end with the selection of the CF Moto 450 Ibex. It's getting a lot of good reviews. In many ways it's the lightweight off road oriented ADV bike we've begged the Big Moto cartel to make for decades as they told us to buy their expensive bloated mid and full size ADV bikes. Good luck with the KTM 790. I would have shied away because of the cheese cam issue, even before the announcement of their financial troubles.
The KTM was made by the CFMOTO plant along side the Ibex bikes... I'm going to give it a chance and hope the engine lasts!
cfmoto 800mt is a more road adventure bike. What you need is a dirt bike. cfmoto has another bike coming cfmoto 800mtx, a completely redesign from the 800mt, it is more like the ktm 790 adventure without the more expensive addon cost. It has the petrol tank slightly at the bottom, making it more agile. But for offroad the cfmoto 450mt does the job better
Its been here in China for last few months. I have ridden it, its pretty good and a lot more off-road orientated than the 800MT, more modes and cheaper. 100% agree on the 450MT, quite a physically big bike too
I will have a dirt bike someday. For now I want a daily driver that can take me places... moto camp as well as dabble off road. That's the KTM 790 Adventure for now!
Ibex 800MT is a touring bike with some dirt road capabilities. CFMOTO is releasing 800MT-X soon and it's a much better bike for off roads purposes. It's a beef up version of the 450MT and a copy from KTM Adventure 799.
Look at the tyres/wheel sizes if you want a better off road bike. 17/19 inch like your bike is for light trails only. 18/21 inch like the 450MT are more dirt capable.
Nice video. Randomly saw it. You should try the new Kove 800x Pro . It's light , has pretty close the same engine, but a very different feel. Weighs about 183KG
Yeah, and maximum load is 150kg ;-)
@puffybodie5282 if youre an adventure rider who puts that much weight on a trip, try getting a car 🚗
@@aqeeqansari Not everyone is Asia guy with 50kg weight ;-) And eg.this 800MT is small for me in legs room.
@puffybodie5282 Well Im what you call a middle eastern with 90 kg weight. That's why an 800x pro is great. There's a 95 kg Irish guy called "Gary's Journey" doing south america trip on Kove 800x Pro. Check him out
Not sure when the 800X will be in America... the Kove 450 is 10K here and my KTM 790 Adventure was 10k... I'm happy with my choice so far!
Riding off road is not about “modes” progressing will be hampered by relying on technology
I agree with you, but in his case, not being able to turn off traction control would suck. Anything built to go off road should be able to shut TC off.
"Ride me hard please".... rides the bike through a puddle haha jokes aside; you're a beginner off-road rider, anything over a 500cc is going to be too heavy or have too much low end torque for you. Why so many new ADV riders make this mistake is beyond me, there is far too much ego in the motorcycle enthusiast world labelling below 700cc bikes as "small". Nothing can be further from the truth. Get a 450MT or a Himalayan 450 since you obviously have to do long commutes to get to the trails. You'll be right at home, those are great beginner bikes that are even a solid option for experienced riders who want something more nimble. They can handle long highway rides and they will be much more forgiving once you're off the road. Once you're ready, get a Kove 450 or a Kove 800X.
I'm planning a Dual Sport of some kind in addition to the KTM 790. I still want the KTM as a "main everyday motorcycle"
Try Tenere 700. The best but not too expensive.
Too tall, less horsepower, no cruise control.... similar price. Not for me!
Try abmw gs 450 the new one!
I'll have to find one to try out!
For all round reliability get a drz400 or a dr650 no electronics just reliable old school bikes the DR650 has a bad seat but otherwise they are fun lighter bikes you can trust not like a Chinese KTM.
Good luck with your KTM. You might find an even lighter bike might suit you better if you intend to do more off road than highway.
@@RobertRobert-d2r I have about 2 hours highway in any direction until I get to the fun dirt stuff. Time will tell!
@@JasonRidesmotoThanks for your response. In that case I would go lighter [but I am older and weaker, definitely not wiser] So much more fun at little time lost on highway. A real toss up between adventure and dual sports though. Do you pick bike for course or course for bike? Usually the second choice wins out. Overnighters definitely favor adventure bikes' carrying capacity.
@JasonRidesmoto before I moved to a place with trails close by, I would spent 2 hours on the highway with my WR250R to get to the offroad riding. I'd much rather suffer a bit on the highway than be struggling in the dirt dropping a very expensive bike.
@@RobertRobert-d2r I also like to moto camp and do trips so yes this is my choice for now that hits all of the requirements for what I want to do. Believe me I shopped the hell out of Dual Sports, Dirt Bikes, Smaller 450 bikes etc... This was what I found was the best balance for me. But I do actually want to add a dual sport to the garage! WR250R is at the top of my list.
Haven’t got to end yet, at 652 you are getting far too techie. For off road its very very simple. To advance you need time in the saddle and expert coaching guidance riding something less than half the weight. You did well only dropping that pig 3 times! OMG just got to the end and you replaced it with almost the exact same thing! Dur
I'll get there!
bro, U should buy a KLX 300.
thats the proper school.
I will have a Dual Sport someday!
For twice the price the KTM should be better off-road
It was the same price as the CFMOTO IBEX 800T
@JasonRidesmoto I was going to say, this guy has no idea 😂
Waffle overload
Badge shame
Different bike for sure with the same engine
@@turkishrule similar engine… slightly different designed internally though
@@JasonRidesmoto Same engine. Produced by CFmoto here in China for both 790 and 800MT. Even the labels on the internal parts are KTM. This year 800MT-X was released and it's functionally similar to 790, same weight, same fuel tank... As much as I like 790 tho, I believe there are better bikes for off-road duty. Check out Aprilia Tuareg or Kove 800x. Very lightweight, super easy to control
@@danb6497 think the crankshaft on the ktm might be different but yeah cfmoto plant for sure.
@@danb6497 I have 2 plus hours on the highway until I get to dirt riding. So I’m trying to find a good balance! Would love a light dirt weapon but for now this is a nice compromise!
@@JasonRidesmoto Lack of comfort even on dual sport bikes is exaggerated. It's not all that bad as long as you don't wear super aggressive knobbies.
I own 800x and it's a solid mile muncher, I don't own a car and ride it daily, so that has to mean something. The throttle is a bit rough, but from 2024 they have ride-by-wire, that was addressed. No fancy electronics compared to 790, but I don't see much point in anything beyond ABS. Still quite fun and easy both on and off-road.
Learn off road with a far smaller bike
I plan to add a Dual Sport to the garage soon
Get you a lighter bike like the Yamaha Tenere 700
The T7 also has the same problem he complains in the video. It's very, very top heavy!!! Definitely not a bike for someone beginning offroad ride.
T7 is too tall for me!
CF 450MT ...
So it didn't make for a great off road.
Only idiots would ever have bought a KTM. YAMAHA will be around forever!💪👌💙🍻