Byzantine Historian Describes Ancient China // 7th cent. Theophylact S. // Primary Source

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  • Cities built by Alexander the Great, carriages of gold, warring states, animals bred to create a special thread...fantasy mixes with truth in this fascinating insight into the West's knowledge of China at the turn of the 7th century.
    Thanks to Mary and Michael Whitby for the use of their fantastic translation.
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  • @VoicesofthePast
    @VoicesofthePast  4 роки тому +39

    Check out mine and Pete's new channel The Entire History of the Earth ua-cam.com/channels/_aOteuWIY8ITg7DQQspG1g.html

    • @dayangmarikit6860
      @dayangmarikit6860 4 роки тому +1

      Voices of the Past - I have to apologize for ranting at you for using the wrong photos in your Philippine upload about Magellan's exploration... it's just that the American depictions of the natives that you used in the video are highly inaccurate because the Americans were not the ones who made actual contact with the natives. The American portrayals of the natives were more like a "hodgepodge" of Native American and Pacific Islander cultures... kindly read my article in the link below.
      www.quora.com/What-if-the-Philippines-developed-a-complex-civilization-like-Japan/answer/Dayang-Marikit?ch=10&share=ed2b6ef5&srid=iQMbJ

    • @richardputz3233
      @richardputz3233 4 роки тому

      Not as deep as Hara’s. But any way .
      DONE DID IT !!

    • @richardputz3233
      @richardputz3233 4 роки тому +1

      Hara Lingayan I read your fascinating article about the Philippines .Very impressive gold work .
      But I’m confused about one thing .Did you write it or did Dayang Marikit ?
      I am of the white race too ,Canadian ,I do wish I had a more interesting heritage but mine is just mem .
      Also when the Americans hit the Philippines they were really into the our s**t don’t stink phase.

    • @dayangmarikit6860
      @dayangmarikit6860 4 роки тому

      Richard Putz - Dayang is my Quora account.

    • @ahmedamine2189
      @ahmedamine2189 4 роки тому +1

      Can you mike a video for Tu-Han s description of iraq

  • @Bjarkenb
    @Bjarkenb 4 роки тому +496

    We have to remember that the term "Barbarian" did not have the "Conan-like" connotations we have today, of lightly clad brutish savages - but was simply how one might refer to a person, or people, who's language or speech is incomprehensible, like the present term "bla"

    • @edmann1820
      @edmann1820 4 роки тому +19

      In this sense I think it means non-christians.

    • @malahamavet
      @malahamavet 4 роки тому +113

      @@edmann1820 I translate Latin and Greek texts, for example when I had to do a text about Cyrus, there was a line saying that he was giving orders in both Greek (helenikos) and foreign (barbarikos) in that case, foreigner referee to the Persians. He had Greeks and Persians on his army, so i ensure you, it's literally "foreigner/non greek" and it shows up for any non Greek language and people.
      The barbarian term is older than Christianity. If they wanted to say non Christians they would say other words

    • @MPHJackson7
      @MPHJackson7 4 роки тому +43

      @@edmann1820 It really means "non-Greco-Roman" The word was used to mean "foreigner" as far back as ancient times. There were multiple words Christians used to refer to non-Christians (Pagan, etc.) but "barbarian" wasn't one of them.
      On a related note, the Bible actually uses the word in Colossians 3:11 to make the point that all people can be united in Christianity.

    • @edmann1820
      @edmann1820 4 роки тому +7

      @@malahamavet Then it's a bad translation. Since if the word is barbikos, meaning foreigner, the correct translation should be foreigner. I am well aware of where the word comes from and it's age and usage. But is the usage the same in 7th century as it was in the 4th century BC.
      Also you assure me, you don't ensure. ;)

    • @Marci124
      @Marci124 4 роки тому +3

      I read somewhere recently that the onomatopoeia hypothesis was shaky and not widely accepted.

  • @TheOhgodineedaname
    @TheOhgodineedaname 4 роки тому +272

    Rabban Bar Sauma might be fun. He was a Nestorian Turkish/Chinese monk who visited Europe in the 13th century and got to meet the Pope, Edward I (I believe) and some other famous figures.

    • @VoicesofthePast
      @VoicesofthePast  4 роки тому +71

      Aye thats certainly on the cards. Thanks!

    • @TheOhgodineedaname
      @TheOhgodineedaname 4 роки тому +39

      @@VoicesofthePast Afanasy Nikitin might also be interesting, he was a Russian who visited India in the 15th century, briefly became a Muslim, then reverted to Christianity and moved back to write down his experience of a several years there.

    • @maligjokica
      @maligjokica 4 роки тому +8

      Can you share a link to (if exsist) a text from that nestorian? Thanks any way:))

    • @TheOhgodineedaname
      @TheOhgodineedaname 4 роки тому +11

      @@maligjokica There's one here I believe but I am not entirely sure if its the whole thing.
      web.archive.org/web/20070928031354/www.nestorian.org/history_of_rabban_bar_sawma_1.html

    • @b.m.4345
      @b.m.4345 4 роки тому +7

      @@VoicesofthePast There's also the letter of Pero Vaz de Caminha.

  • @nachoolo
    @nachoolo 4 роки тому +110

    "The land of Taugast is not troubled by discord for lineage provides with the selection of their leader"
    Only the Byzantines would be surprised with that.

    • @Blazo_Djurovic
      @Blazo_Djurovic 4 роки тому +20

      Kinda, Eastern Rome of Maurice has been ruled for several generations at this point by a series of Emperors who didn't share much blood and mostly came to the position by being adopted by the previous one and or being acclaimed by the people of Constantinople and the army. And people of Constantinople were very much aware they could topple pretty much any Emperor if he greatly displeased them, since rare were the Emperors that were able to survive the wrath of the mob. Justinian being one of rare ones.
      Some have even claimed that this is why Eastern Romans kinda still considered themselves a republic, since there was still res publica, rule of people's will. If the people don't like you, they won't acclaim you on your ascention. If they don't like you, they'll open the gates to some other candidate for the Emperor (it was not rare for on the death of previous Emperor, some unit of the army to turn up with someone they'd support and basicaly camp beneath the walls to see if people of Rome might welcome their candidate instead). If they hate you, they'll riot on the streets and come to get you at your own palace.
      So while your average citizen of Constantinople was pretty ignorant of what went up outside the walls of the city, any Emperor worth their salt would never try to push him too far on issues that mattered to the citizens.

    • @bouzoukiman5000
      @bouzoukiman5000 2 роки тому

      Even though they didn't use lineage to select a leader unlike the rest of europe?

  • @longbow101
    @longbow101 4 роки тому +125

    Greetings from China. Maybe you can make a video of how Latin and Chinese words translated into each other? I think that would be very interesting!
    In ancient Chinese, we called Rome as 'Daqin'大秦 and Byzantine Empire as 'Fulin'拂菻. Probably not for the reason of similar pronunciation.
    But we got many ancient names right/close as how they actually sounded back in time, like
    Roma 羅馬/luoma/
    Ceasar 凱撒/Kaisa/
    Octavius 屋大維/Wudawei/
    Jesus 耶穌/Yesu/
    John 約翰/Yohan/
    Greece 希臘/Xila/
    ......

    • @Reflox1
      @Reflox1 4 роки тому +16

      Heh, Kaisa. It's what we use in German for emperor: "Kaiser".

    • @gogocelmare7047
      @gogocelmare7047 4 роки тому +7

      Byzatin empire dosen't exist , is a german invention to can clame for them the Roman empire , and the estern part of Roman empire become to be re-write in the history books start with 1800 as Byzatium and the Germans call themsekve "Holy Roman empire

    • @GlamStacheessnostalgialounge
      @GlamStacheessnostalgialounge 4 роки тому +14

      @@gogocelmare7047 I have lost the majority of my braincells trying to read this garbage you wrote.

    • @hanhai8515
      @hanhai8515 4 роки тому +9

      Chinese back then was middle Chinese(中古汉语), it sounds completely different from modern Chinese pinyin, not even based on Beijing dialect like modern Mandarin. So it doesn't make sense at all to try to find similarities between modern pinyin and Latin. Also ancient Chinese didn't have most of the words you listed. No one in ancient China knew who Octavius was, it's a modern translation.

    • @roycosta5938
      @roycosta5938 4 роки тому

      @@hanhai8515 I've searched the attempted constructed pronunciation in 中古汉语 and it is /fʰyət˥ liɪm˩˥/. Of course this reconstruction so not 100% accurate

  • @WorthlessWinner
    @WorthlessWinner 4 роки тому +237

    China is a big city

    • @MPHJackson7
      @MPHJackson7 4 роки тому +47

      China is my city

    • @chadlynch1551
      @chadlynch1551 4 роки тому +19

      @@MPHJackson7 Saying China is a big city is even better than that politician saying the internet is a series of tubes.

    • @hyc1308
      @hyc1308 4 роки тому +8

      For Americans it’s a big Chinatown.

    • @RareSeldas
      @RareSeldas 4 роки тому +4

      England is my city.

    • @francecruz5157
      @francecruz5157 4 роки тому +2

      For you

  • @Dhhdjdjdj46
    @Dhhdjdjdj46 4 роки тому +104

    You utter legend

    • @joyfold1029
      @joyfold1029 4 роки тому +2

      He utters a primary source.
      Just as those 1000 years from now, who quoting Donald Trump, would also be uttering "legend" (ie, lies) lol

    • @ToyosatomimiNoThug
      @ToyosatomimiNoThug 4 роки тому +1

      JoyFold Bruh

  • @novaterra973
    @novaterra973 4 роки тому +112

    Chubdan is probably indeed Xi'an, a corruption of its old name Chang'an. Although the description of its geography sounds closer to Luoyang, which does have two rivers to north and south.

    • @erickeeble4898
      @erickeeble4898 4 роки тому +4

      I didn't think Alexander of Macedon went that far east, and I wonder whether the information available to the Byzantine author was based on reports confusing Alexander with the First Emperor. Xi'an also seems to have 2 rivers, and Luoyang is even further east. The notion of women in perpetual mourning is interesting. Is it possible rituals around the Xi'an burial complex were practised several hundred years after the First Emperor's internment?

    • @erickeeble4898
      @erickeeble4898 4 роки тому

      Correction: interment not internment

    • @novaterra973
      @novaterra973 4 роки тому +8

      ​@@erickeeble4898 'Perpetual mourning' is an exaggeration, but the Confucian mourning period can last up to three years, and there are periodical memorial rituals, so they might have been seen as perpetual mourning.
      I can't comment on burial ritual more, sorry, since I don't know more than what I have already written.
      I thought of Luoyang because it was the political heart of China alongside Chang'an during this period, basically serving as a co-capital city.

    • @erickeeble4898
      @erickeeble4898 4 роки тому

      @@novaterra973 Thank you. More to learn !

    • @EinFelsbrocken
      @EinFelsbrocken 4 роки тому

      My last two braincells throughout the exam: *_PERPETUAL MOURNING_*

  • @CoolHistoryBros
    @CoolHistoryBros 4 роки тому +22

    The Taughast, or Tuoba was a group Turkic Xianbei people who conquered Northern China and established the Northern Wei dynasty (a.k.a. Tuoba Wei). The original setting for Ballan of Mulan was inspired by a war between the Tuoba and Rourans. So Mulan was originally conceived to be Turkic Xianbei, instead of Han Chinese.
    Later, Northern Wei split into two, Northern and Eastern Wei. The Northern Wei imperial family became too sinicized, and the traditionalist Tuobas broke off into Western Tuoba.

    • @SuperGman117
      @SuperGman117 4 роки тому +2

      I thought the "Huns" of Mulan were Xiongnu.

    • @billh6010
      @billh6010 3 роки тому

      @@SuperGman117 historically speaking, those were not really the huns or xiongnus. They were the Rouran ( well those steppe nomads are kinda genetically and culturally related though )

    • @maxqazwsxedc1050
      @maxqazwsxedc1050 10 місяців тому

      @@SuperGman117 And you are absolutely right, truth is, Mulan was written with no mention of real names and historical figures so people can't tell with dynasty it was from, likely to avoid prosecution from Xianbei court, however all evidence suggests the war takes place in Han dynasty against xiongnu nomads, op is taking the time when this book was written and assumed the story was about that period but in reality it's filled with clues and sentiment toward a Han ethnic dynasty it's practically an established fact Mulan's story is in Han dynasty

    • @JLC-tj1zo
      @JLC-tj1zo 6 днів тому

      停止假历史,北魏是汉人

  • @HighLordBlazeReborn
    @HighLordBlazeReborn 4 роки тому +57

    You guys really need to leave the text on screen longer. That bit about the confusion with Taugasts stayed on screen for like two seconds before fading.

  • @brianmessemer2973
    @brianmessemer2973 4 роки тому +58

    Utterly, utterly fascinating. Wonderful.

    • @philo3838
      @philo3838 4 роки тому +1

      I mean it's ok, what are you so in awe about?

  • @szlonkobusjbusj3819
    @szlonkobusjbusj3819 4 роки тому +168

    North Macedonia: I am the true heir of Alexander the Great!
    Greece: Liar! Impostor!
    China: Yes, don't listen to him. We all know it's me!

    • @weijiafang1298
      @weijiafang1298 4 роки тому +23

      Actually such (joke-like) claims appeared much earlier. Legend says that when Russians and us negotiated borders in the 17th century:
      -We are the descendants of the Roman Empire.
      -Then we are the descendants of Alexandar the Great of Macedonia.

    • @octaviondeminicolas1941
      @octaviondeminicolas1941 4 роки тому +28

      Macedonia has been Chinese territory since ancient times!

    • @fortred735
      @fortred735 4 роки тому +2

      Yeah, well he owes me money. And that means you do too now. 🤑

    • @galecarp
      @galecarp 4 роки тому +1

      China: Who the hell is Alisandar the Gleet

  • @MrThatguyuknow
    @MrThatguyuknow 4 роки тому +158

    "The leader used to pass the night with *700 Women* "

    • @tomtaylor5623
      @tomtaylor5623 4 роки тому +23

      very common throughout all chinese history. it's why they all look so similar today, not much genetic variance.

    • @jakedee4117
      @jakedee4117 4 роки тому +11

      OK I'll say it, no man in history has ever "Passed the night" with 700 women !
      Could be a subtle grammatical error in translation going on here, "700 women to spent the night with" would fit an Emperor, but even they had a roster system.

    • @kariscoyne1886
      @kariscoyne1886 4 роки тому +7

      Careful guys, this thread is about to summon the ghost of HP Lovecraft

    • @jasonbelstone3427
      @jasonbelstone3427 4 роки тому +9

      @@kariscoyne1886 You'd need Cthulu levels of strength to pass the night with 700 women.

    • @scutumfidelis1436
      @scutumfidelis1436 4 роки тому +6

      Probably means that he simply had large crowds of women like a royal procession.

  • @jakedee4117
    @jakedee4117 4 роки тому +24

    Even today rich Chinese men don't wear gold jewelry.

  • @Cremenium
    @Cremenium 4 роки тому +86

    So the Roman records on Chinese history were even less accurate than the Chinese historians made on the Roman Empire.
    One thing in common though, they both consider themselves as the real ancestor.

    • @pietromeroni2023
      @pietromeroni2023 4 роки тому +18

      At the time the idea of making a realistic description wasn't a thing. They were more interested in making up an idea that represents, even though not true to reality, about history and cultures. There was no real need to make an effort and actually write down a true story of a distant people, it wasn't like in would bring any advantage or have any practical use.

    • @pietromeroni2023
      @pietromeroni2023 4 роки тому +7

      @Fiamo Scarlette the Roman republic made an effort to write realistic description of lands and people because of their interest in expansionism. As they say: know your enemy. That's just my personal interpretation, and it seems like during the Christian era of the Roman empire this expansionist policy faded away, so what there was no purpose in accurate descriptions, they just didn't care if what they reported was actually realistic, especially about a distant land like China, investigating in they're culture and land would just be a waist of resources for the state

    • @supremacy2040
      @supremacy2040 4 роки тому +10

      Alum Kerins ..that’s hard to really say...when it comes to Chinese history China has been isolationist for a long time and been known even to date to deny facts others offer as proof. If that happens even today, I can’t imagine how hard getting the truth would have been back then.

    • @zhouwu
      @zhouwu 4 роки тому +6

      This is what happens when peer reviewed journals are not a thing and all the citizens just feed off the Propaganda the emperor gives them.
      Both sides treated their subjects like mushrooms: keeping them in the dark and feeding them on excrement.

    • @Cremenium
      @Cremenium 4 роки тому +7

      Supre Macy Throw your politics away, would you?

  • @ArtymusPrime
    @ArtymusPrime 4 роки тому +6

    This may be one of the most valuable channels on youtube for providing such deep and meaningful insight into the records left behind the ancients

  • @billyc9707
    @billyc9707 3 роки тому

    Thank you so much I have a history fascination and study it and never saw a channel so unique. It gives so much insight into the thinking at the time I'm addicted to the channel. Thank you so much don't stop the good work. You have a faithful viewer

  • @youngoutlaw5150
    @youngoutlaw5150 4 роки тому +71

    Historians love disrespecting the Great Eastern Roman Empire

  • @IsmailAbdulMusic
    @IsmailAbdulMusic 4 роки тому +6

    Interesting to know how things we're many lifetimes ago. It makes one think. Thank you for putting this together.

  • @fortred735
    @fortred735 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you for another informative video on ancient China.

  • @budicaesar1213
    @budicaesar1213 4 роки тому +25

    How about those 2 spec-ops monks who were tasked by the emperor to infiltrate china to bring back the secret knowledge of Silk Production there?

    • @Blazo_Djurovic
      @Blazo_Djurovic 4 роки тому +5

      @Imperial Judesmen138 A real thing that happened if less badass. Basically some monks, I'm not sure on the promting of Emperor or on their own, traveled to china and manged to swipe some of the silk making worms and smuggled them back to Constantinople inside hollow wooden tubes. From then on the Emperors made a pretty good profit by running a monopoly on only silk produced west of China. Though I'm not sure how much that lasted, and what probably scuttled it.

    • @Mullet-ZubazPants
      @Mullet-ZubazPants 3 роки тому +1

      It was probably the first recorded case of industrial espionage ... two Byzantine monks, tasked by Emperor Justinian I, to steal the secret of Chinese silk production

    • @unifieddynasty
      @unifieddynasty 2 роки тому

      spec-ops monks 😂

  • @Phlebas
    @Phlebas 4 роки тому +9

    I love these videos, particularly the ones that amount to ancient travel blogs. Is there anything that can be found for some of the Roman expeditions into sub-Saharan Africa? There have been a few documented crossings of the Saharan desert, though there's no solid evidence that they ever got further than the equator.

  • @robertmiles1603
    @robertmiles1603 2 роки тому +1

    fascinating. an excellent channel

  • @sid2112
    @sid2112 4 роки тому +4

    Great channel, man. Subbed.

  • @gofar5185
    @gofar5185 4 роки тому

    thank u for these info...

  • @tr1084
    @tr1084 4 роки тому +43

    Imagine being emperor of eastern Rome but you still have to live with the name Maurice.

    • @malahamavet
      @malahamavet 4 роки тому +1

      I don't get it, it doesn't sound very greek/latin to me

    • @Marci124
      @Marci124 4 роки тому +10

      I always found the anglicisation of ancient names really strange. My language tends to translate names and phrases as well, but at least we call Homer Homeros and Mark Anthony Marcus Antonius.

    • @imerror6224
      @imerror6224 4 роки тому +7

      The Greek pronunciation is much cooler.

    • @imerror6224
      @imerror6224 4 роки тому +6

      @mr_ anheuser You are correct.

    • @geraldchurchill5576
      @geraldchurchill5576 4 роки тому +8

      @@Marci124 I'm a native English speaker (and only an English speaker) and I find the trend of Anglicizing of just about every ancient name annoying and stupid as well.

  • @Norwegianization
    @Norwegianization 4 роки тому +18

    Can't help imagining how these long past human beings viewd the world. Just by listening does it give me an excitement yet a strange feeling of sadness to it all. Life must have been so hard for those poor men.

    • @EinFelsbrocken
      @EinFelsbrocken 4 роки тому +1

      No memes; truly a life not worth living 😥

  • @oswaldclara9017
    @oswaldclara9017 3 роки тому +5

    chinese here.we had great diplomatic relation.when i study the history of Byzantine,i find that many historical events in the two countries r strikingly similar.u lost your west part.we lost our north part(Song dynasty)

  • @mjr_schneider
    @mjr_schneider 4 роки тому +56

    "They say that these Indians who face the northern regions are actually born white..."
    Anyways, enough about that, moving on to silkworms.

    • @solaraspect5255
      @solaraspect5255 4 роки тому +3

      Tocharians

    • @Novusod
      @Novusod 4 роки тому +1

      It is the lost civilization of Tartaria. i.imgur.com/tujXDf4.jpg

    • @longyu9336
      @longyu9336 3 роки тому +4

      @@solaraspect5255 India is incredibly diverse and some Northern Indians indeed appear lightly skinned compared to their southern countrymen.

    • @Tzimiskes3506
      @Tzimiskes3506 2 роки тому +1

      @@longyu9336 mostly east indians such as the people of Assam and the sister states...

  • @musAKulture
    @musAKulture 4 роки тому +7

    that does not sound like my hometown xi'an (chang'an during tang). it's surrounded by 8 rivers, with none cutting through it. more likely they're talking about luoyang, with luo river running through the middle. it's the secondary capital of tang.

  • @Leo-us4wd
    @Leo-us4wd 4 роки тому +22

    Chinese description of the Tocharian

    • @malahamavet
      @malahamavet 4 роки тому +2

      Who are those people?.

    • @malahamavet
      @malahamavet 4 роки тому +3

      @anonymous opinions ooooooh

    • @Leo-us4wd
      @Leo-us4wd 4 роки тому

      @anonymous opinions Tocharian langauge is centum while indo iranic are satem, but location wise they were close

    • @ChromeMan04
      @ChromeMan04 4 роки тому

      Aryans near the Afghan China border

    • @fortunekookimon4610
      @fortunekookimon4610 4 роки тому

      @ Henry Jones23 Survive the jive & Robert Sepehr both have excellent videos on that.

  • @gaslitworldf.melissab2897
    @gaslitworldf.melissab2897 4 роки тому +3

    The word he pronounces "chagan" has many sibling words: - Recall the Great Kublai *Khan* of Imperial China, of Mongolic stock.
    Khanate (e.g., the Bulgar Khanate)
    - Ilkanate (e.g., the Persian Ilkanate)
    - Caliphate (e.g., the Abbasid Caliphate)
    - Sultinate (e.g., the Delhi Sultanate)
    - Emirate (e.g., the Sicilian Emirate)
    groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.english.usage/Z8MZ1WunE8o

  • @davidvidmar3736
    @davidvidmar3736 4 роки тому +55

    Were there any other byzantine chroniclers that wrote about China?

    • @sebastianlodge7549
      @sebastianlodge7549 4 роки тому +8

      Probably

    • @Fuchsia_tude
      @Fuchsia_tude 4 роки тому +40

      Considering they had a whole special ops campaign to smuggle out silkworms and establish a homegrown silk industry--which succeeded--I'd say yes

    • @Altrantis
      @Altrantis 4 роки тому +6

      @@Fuchsia_tude They knew about their products a lot more than they knew about them as a people though.

    • @aokiaoki4238
      @aokiaoki4238 4 роки тому +7

      Unfortunately Byzantine Historiography is so long that still remains unsearched.
      Michael VII send a team in Song Dynasty

    • @aokiaoki4238
      @aokiaoki4238 4 роки тому +3

      @@Fuchsia_tude There was a silk industry since Ancient Greece, Alexander the Great imported silk worms and there was a wide production of silk

  • @Ostarrichi996
    @Ostarrichi996 4 роки тому +10

    Do you also have more content from the 11th - 15th century europe?

    • @qus.9617
      @qus.9617 4 роки тому +1

      Do you mean chroniclers from Europe or chronicles of Europe?

    • @Ostarrichi996
      @Ostarrichi996 4 роки тому

      @@qus.9617 from europe

  • @fabrizzioantoniodominguezp349
    @fabrizzioantoniodominguezp349 4 роки тому

    Could you do a video about the battle of Cagayan?

  • @evershumor1302
    @evershumor1302 4 роки тому

    I love the shorter video's

  • @joshuab2437
    @joshuab2437 4 роки тому +5

    Do ancient UFO accounts. These are also utterly fascinating.

  • @user-ed9qu5im2y
    @user-ed9qu5im2y 4 роки тому +2

    The Northern Dynasties cycled through a few dynasties, and the emperors of Northern Zhou dynasty (just before Sui) were of Xianbei descent. Not quite Sogdinian or Bactrian, but they were not Han either and like Sogdinians and Bactrians were "from the north" in a general sense. Even tho Xianbei was north and northeastern relative to the heartland of China, whereas Sogdinia and Bactria were norhwestern. So that may have been another source of confusion.

  • @spacejunk2186
    @spacejunk2186 4 роки тому +8

    China is my city.

  • @SgtAndrewM
    @SgtAndrewM 4 роки тому +3

    greetings from the UK

  • @Palaelogus
    @Palaelogus 4 роки тому +8

    Man, the Byzantines had a hard time trying to learn about China.

  • @FOLIPE
    @FOLIPE 4 роки тому

    The letter of Pero Vaz of the discovery of Brazil.

  • @the1truth420
    @the1truth420 4 роки тому

    Think about those carriages...wow

  • @kylefenrick7842
    @kylefenrick7842 4 роки тому +2

    The people being buried alive while having space to move around, would make sense as to why so many luxuries were included for the more fortunate ones. Granted, as good of a fortune one could have, being buried alive.

  • @fatihkoc7075
    @fatihkoc7075 4 роки тому +3

    Its a good video but the Turk ruler(emperor) is not pronounced like Chaghan but rather Khaghan. Love your videos, hope u make more videos about Turks ör Central Asia.

  • @tisFrancesfault
    @tisFrancesfault 4 роки тому +13

    Those Turks... I'm sure they'll never amount to much. another nomadic tribe to be forgotten to history books.
    ...right?

    • @houstonhelicoptertours1006
      @houstonhelicoptertours1006 4 роки тому +4

      Look what they are up to recently, all thanks to mentally challenged melon traders like Erdoğan. Atatürk spins in his tomb.

    • @thewinterlord1518
      @thewinterlord1518 4 роки тому

      I’m pretty sure the Empire still entertains mutually advantageous relations with those Turks, against the Sassanids you know, doesn’t it?
      Waking up after 1500 years worth of coma would indeed not be nice.

  • @OmarSlloum
    @OmarSlloum 4 роки тому +7

    Maybe you guys can make a video on the contact between the Abbasids and Tang. We once even sent a warband to help the emperor quell a rebellion. Their diplomacy has been very well documented so you should be able to find something.

    • @m.g.3013
      @m.g.3013 4 роки тому +2

      >We
      😂😂😂

    • @EinFelsbrocken
      @EinFelsbrocken 4 роки тому +2

      @@m.g.3013 Yeah right. But its a common problem; since ever; in all nationalities. People looking for identity and self-worth in the stories of the past.

    • @unifieddynasty
      @unifieddynasty 2 роки тому

      This was during the An Lushan rebellion right? It was really nice of the Abbasids to help out the Tang in their most dire time of need.

  • @Hwyadylaw
    @Hwyadylaw 2 роки тому

    I think "Chubdan" in Byzantine Greek was pronounced something like /xuvˈðan/ (or /xuˈvðan/?)

  • @StudioArtFX
    @StudioArtFX 4 роки тому

    In what language was this originally written? Have to wonder about that translation.

    • @francis6489
      @francis6489 4 роки тому +2

      This was originally a Greek text.

  • @arianrezaie4729
    @arianrezaie4729 4 роки тому

    The citys you mentiond had large iranian comunitys during this period and persians were a visible minority in china untill the ming dynasty later on during the bizentine sassanian war of 602-628 the chines actually aided the romans in every way thay could(the tang had just taken power and the sassanid had allied with the sui)and the sassanians were also fighting whit gurk turks and ethiopia needless to say they lost and in the end the sassanians fled to china in the end ther fears of china+rome had came true in this wikipedia page its said some more about persians in china en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranians_in_China

  • @yaleyoon6856
    @yaleyoon6856 3 роки тому +1

    When I watched this video when it came out I was surprised that the author mentioned Korea as "Mucri" as well as other nieighbors of China like India

    • @yaleyoon6856
      @yaleyoon6856 3 роки тому +2

      I researched and it looks like "Mucri" and "Böküli Čölüg" from the Orkhon Inscriptions are pointing to Koguryeo. Especially "Böküli Čölüg", b/c it sounds sort of similar to at least the current Chinese pronunciation of Koguryeo, "Gaogouli". But I don't know how "Mucri" was used to call Korea. Probably another even more corrupted version of the then-Chinese pronunciation of Koguryeo.

  • @jonsmith5626
    @jonsmith5626 4 роки тому +1

    Xi'an's ancient name was "Chang'an" which sounds a LOT closer to this Chubdan.

  • @Dugout97
    @Dugout97 4 роки тому +2

    Looking forward to the Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks

  • @funkyfiss
    @funkyfiss 4 роки тому +4

    Wait I am confused... I thought Alexander made it to India. Not China. Or am I wrong?

    • @saladcaesar7716
      @saladcaesar7716 4 роки тому +3

      Ryan Lajara Bactria and China... Reminds me of the war of the heavenly horses.

    • @funkyfiss
      @funkyfiss 4 роки тому +2

      @Ryan Lajara www.greecehighdefinition.com/blog/2019/2/12/ancient-greeks-travelled-to-china-1500-years-before-marco-polo-and-may-have-built-terracotta-army Actually on further inspection. Maybe the Byzantines were right after all.

    • @LeukipposOfAbdera
      @LeukipposOfAbdera 4 роки тому

      funkyfiss Can’t be denied.

  • @UranijaZeus
    @UranijaZeus 4 роки тому

    White Croats, yass! We have arrived just about then.

  • @abdullah.a.nahyan
    @abdullah.a.nahyan 4 роки тому +16

    What would the people of the Roman Empire have thought if they came to know that after a thousand year later their state will be called Byzantine Empire!

    • @Hyrumwolf
      @Hyrumwolf 4 роки тому +6

      I mean, it was stilled called the Roman Empire (Basilea Rhomaion). We just call it the Byzantine empire to distinguish it from its earlier history.

    • @davidk5954
      @davidk5954 4 роки тому +2

      Outrage. It's not new, it started when the pope and Karl the butcher contested the title of Roman Emperor in 800 and started calling the Romans of the East "Greeks"

  • @paiwanhan
    @paiwanhan 4 роки тому

    Wouldn't Qaghan be pronounced as /qaγan/ ?

  • @gaslitworldf.melissab2897
    @gaslitworldf.melissab2897 4 роки тому

    Yaaay.

  • @qetoun
    @qetoun 4 роки тому +7

    All this guy does is read from old books whilst sitting in the bath smoking cigars all day! ...why didn't I think of it first!

  • @caiawlodarski5339
    @caiawlodarski5339 4 роки тому +3

    China is my city

  • @mimief7969
    @mimief7969 3 роки тому

    Taugast isn't China, it's a place on the Tibetan plateau, south of Xia, etc. It's Tuoba, but a weird take on the Turkic name for it, one of the states on the Silk Road. Maybe that's "China", the modern nation state, but it isn't dynastic China...

  • @Joleyn-Joy
    @Joleyn-Joy 2 роки тому +2

    1:13 coming from our perspective, him talking about Turks as if they weren't a nuisance to the empire is tragicomical.

    • @aidanator8008
      @aidanator8008 Рік тому +2

      At the time the "Turks" that the Byzantines would've known would be the Gokturks and the Khazars, both of which the Byzantines had a more or less amicable relationship with, and oftentimes would work together with them to fight the common enemy of the Sassanid Persians/Arab Caliphate.

    • @user-cg2tw8pw7j
      @user-cg2tw8pw7j 11 місяців тому

      ​@@aidanator8008No, they were traitors who betrayed the Romans in these wars 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @damirradoncic7390
    @damirradoncic7390 4 роки тому +6

    Could you please refer from using the word Bysantine? It is an slanderous term used by Germanic people to delegitimze the Roman Empire after its division into two administrative bodies (of which one was conqurered by said Germanic people).

  • @MbisonBalrog
    @MbisonBalrog 4 роки тому +1

    Do they mention China ? Went passed me

  • @ojberrettaberretta5314
    @ojberrettaberretta5314 4 роки тому +1

    mucri....hm

  • @bigfootandmee
    @bigfootandmee 4 роки тому +14

    Yoo they get buried with their man?? thats crazy

    • @novaterra973
      @novaterra973 4 роки тому +9

      Aye, the ritual burial lasted quite long in China. It was discontinued around the era described by this video, but reappeared during the early Ming Dynasty, before completely disappearing.

    • @riderallanlouis
      @riderallanlouis 4 роки тому +14

      In India wives were burnt alive with their husband body. The British stopped this practice just recently

    • @tomnook9270
      @tomnook9270 4 роки тому +5

      Only for the emperor though. There is no written law or custom regarding one's death(other than wearing white jute clothes instead of silk for 3 years if I remembered correctly) in ancient China but horny emperors would usually demand his concubines to be buried with him. The only exception would be the Shamanist Shang dynasty where numerous slaves and women would be buried alive alongside the King(before Qin dynasty's unification so no emperor yet) as a religious practice, but Shang culture is based heavily on Shamanism instead of the Mandate of Heaven belief or Confucianism/Taoism and is hence rarely seen as a "proper" Chinese dynasty, much like the Mongolian Yuan dynasty founded by Kublai Khan

    • @michaelbarrett3229
      @michaelbarrett3229 4 роки тому +2

      Go check out their video on Ibn Fadlan’s account of a Viking funeral. It’s much worse than this.

    • @malahamavet
      @malahamavet 4 роки тому +3

      @@michaelbarrett3229 I don't know, I rather get stabbed than get buried or burned alive, but it's still wrong, of course

  • @windywendi
    @windywendi 4 роки тому +4

    Oh, how coincidental it was that a millennium later, the Byzantines were to be completely wiped out by the Turks aformentioned

    • @eustacemcgoodboy9702
      @eustacemcgoodboy9702 4 роки тому +8

      Assisted by the Pope who wanted to destroy the true church of Christ in the East. Catholic crusaders sacked and destroyed Constantinople and they never recovered from that back stab.

    • @longyu9336
      @longyu9336 3 роки тому +1

      @@eustacemcgoodboy9702 If you think about it, Crusader knights from England, France and Germany are the descendants of the barbarian warbands that sacked Rome in the first place.

    • @serafeimlightbringer9677
      @serafeimlightbringer9677 Рік тому

      @@longyu9336 No, the descendants of those are the Italians.

  • @pedroroque829
    @pedroroque829 4 роки тому +3

    Byzantine my ass.
    Roman describes ancient China

  • @unifieddynasty
    @unifieddynasty 2 роки тому

    SEVEN. HUNDRED. WOMEN. 😳

  • @El-Californio
    @El-Californio 4 роки тому +2

    Admits they use gold inlay and silk production- still calls them b barbarians 🙄

    • @lysytoszef
      @lysytoszef 4 роки тому +17

      The word "barbarian" didn't necessary had to to with wealth or social complexity. It comes from greeks calling non-greeks out for making "bar-bar" noises, as in, not speaking greek langauge. So the original meaning of barbarian is just someone who does not speak greek.

    • @malahamavet
      @malahamavet 4 роки тому +2

      Hi, I translate Latin and Greek texts 😁 I can ensure you 100% that barbarian means non Greek. They use the term for both languages and people, it doesn't mean anything bad, it means foreigner.
      The word got a respective meaning later, I'm not sure when. Many societies have their own words for describing foreigners. That's why we shouldn't keep using barbarian as an insult. You also have the word alien (alienus) which doesn't have anything to do with space creatures🤣 it's just something or someone from another place or belonging to another.

  • @user-yy2mu9qm7g
    @user-yy2mu9qm7g 9 місяців тому

    0:29 What the Hell is "Chagan"? I think you Mean "Khagan," as in the "Avar Khaganate."
    1:49 Yeah, until this "Mucri" Got Bitch-slapped by the Mongols!
    3:10 Wait, were the "Northern/Southern Dynasties the Northern Wei and Liu Song?
    3:28 No, sir, I don't think He ever Made it that Far. He only made it as Far as Punjab, called by the Greeks "Pentapotamia."
    3:34 I Highly Doubt The Place He's Referring to is Turkmenistan! COME ON!!!
    4:15 Xian??!! Yeah, of this, I cannot accept at all as True.
    4:26 That was a Custom in Qin China, when the Emperor had Wives that did not Bare him Children. Interesting Fact: Did you Know, that "Qin" maybe the Native Derivative for China? The Greeks called China "Sinai," and the Chinese they called "Sinoi," At least, when they Knew about Them. Does "Sinai" Sound Familiar to you? I think the Sinites of the Sinai Peninsula were the Ancestors of the Qin and the Han Chinese. That said, I think Manchuria is full of the Descendants of the Ancient Hittites. (Hitti = Heth = Cheth = Cathay = Manchuria).
    4:47 They are talking about the Indo-Iranians that Thrive there.

  • @Whatshappening2024
    @Whatshappening2024 4 роки тому +2

    700 women, legend hah

  • @micahhammac1242
    @micahhammac1242 3 роки тому

    Master of seven races, we are full of ourselves.

  • @noxDOTevolvedDOTgmai
    @noxDOTevolvedDOTgmai 4 роки тому +13

    In Tang China, there was no pooh bear.

    • @StephenMortimer
      @StephenMortimer 4 роки тому

      just BARE POO ??

    • @poopypeepee3372
      @poopypeepee3372 4 роки тому

      Liberty Prime its not like xi is worst than any other Chinese rulers. China has always been authoritarian.

    • @noxDOTevolvedDOTgmai
      @noxDOTevolvedDOTgmai 4 роки тому

      @@poopypeepee3372 But he is just a filthy commie, not an emperor.

  • @pandaman2234
    @pandaman2234 4 роки тому +7

    "These Indians were born white". Is it possible that some Indo-Eurapion people living in northern India had not intermixed with the local population at this point?

    • @Marci124
      @Marci124 4 роки тому +3

      I think it's referring to literally being born paler than they are in adulthood. It's this way for lots of peoples I guess. I also don't think the term "white" was a customary way to describe ethnicities back then, so maybe the effect was striking and that's how these rumors got around. I have a friend whose eyes were pale in infacy and turned chestnut brown later, such pigmentation changes can occur.

    • @woody500z
      @woody500z 4 роки тому +3

      I was thinking the same thing, we know for sure that Indo-Europeans branched off into China (and perhaps brought Buddhism?). Maybe this was a remnant population being described, though it is plausible it is far from being able to say it is factual in the context of this video.

    • @eustacemcgoodboy9702
      @eustacemcgoodboy9702 4 роки тому +3

      Lithuanian and Latvian are both Pan-Indo-European languages and have more in common with Hindii than any European language. If you want to know what Arayans in Northern Indian looked like, look at Balts ("Balt" or "Balti" literally means "white" in their language).

    • @banjiu10
      @banjiu10 4 роки тому

      He could also refer to the Hephthalites, the "White Huns", that have entered northern India before.

  • @GG-iz3wp
    @GG-iz3wp 4 роки тому

    :)

  • @johnnywrither128
    @johnnywrither128 4 роки тому

    4:40 Interesting. That might explain the caucasian mummies in the Chinese pyramids. Also, here's two interesting books:
    'New Views On The Origin Of The Frisians, Magyar, Inca, Shang, and Mayan Cultures'
    all-ez.com/frisian-inka.htm
    golenya-agnes.hu/media/files/Munda_Magyar_Maori.pdf

    • @CoolioXXX52
      @CoolioXXX52 4 роки тому

      refering to northern indiands

  • @ze1888
    @ze1888 7 місяців тому

    很奇怪,很混乱,中国怎么是那样的??

  • @harbinger200
    @harbinger200 4 роки тому +2

    "Byzantine" is a modern invented word real country was called Romea, and they where pure Romans, not anything else.

  • @nativelatinosfooktrump5348
    @nativelatinosfooktrump5348 4 роки тому +6

    🍺 many Europeans did not bathe. When Montezuma met Cortez he had to burn tortillas because Cortez and his company smelled awful

    • @arberor4597
      @arberor4597 4 роки тому +35

      @NATIVE LATINOS Fook TRUMP
      This is about the Byzantine empire. The Byzantine empire in the 7th century was one of if not the most advanced civilization at the time. Hosting great library and the university of Constantinople.
      At this time much of the world were hunter gathers, in the Americas most were hunter gathers

    • @CaptMarvelous
      @CaptMarvelous 4 роки тому +15

      You should change your username to 'SALTY LATINO'. Much more fitting. 🤣👍

    • @timberthus2562
      @timberthus2562 4 роки тому +6

      Yeah, I'd imagine there's little time for bathing when you're leading a campaign in a land you don't know, against an enemy that outnumbers you 100 to 1.

    • @nativelatinosfooktrump5348
      @nativelatinosfooktrump5348 4 роки тому +1

      Yung cash register A.K.A Lil Broomstick lol💩

    • @nativelatinosfooktrump5348
      @nativelatinosfooktrump5348 4 роки тому +1

      Quodlibeta lol my DNA one hundred percent Native American not some Gypsy Spaniard

  • @ognjengaric2687
    @ognjengaric2687 4 роки тому +1

    China is my city