Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Episode 53 REACTION!! "Flame of Vengeance"
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Eric, Shane, Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss episode 53 of FMA:B, "Flame of Vengeance"
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The thing that people often fail to notice is that Mustang isn't attacking Envy the way he attacked Lust. He lets Envy recover. The only reason Envy is able to keep escaping is because Mustang is dragging it out for his own gratification. He wants to prolong Envy's suffering as long as possible. For a man who wants to repent for the horrors committed during wartime to gradually torture a living creature for no purpose other than his own satisfaction, that's where he is going too far.
Neither Hawkeye nor Scar argue that Envy should be allowed to live. They simply believe that self-satisfying torture and mutilation are not the actions of a just ruler.
~Kora
MediaWhorz yup,glad Calvin mentioned the difference on the way mustang handled Lust in compare with Envy
Well, there is a line from another series that I often like to refer to when people make an argument like that. "Civilization is founded on the principle that we treat our criminals better than they treated their victims; that we not stoop to their level."
Your argument appears to be oddly nihilistic. Your point, as far as I can parse it, is, 'Suffering and dehumanization don't matter. Everyone dies. There is no point to taking a moral stance.'
...which doesn't appear to be the most constructive outlook.
He did go too far, and maybe he will agree with you at a later time but at the moment I don't think he cares, and I'm ok with that. Everyone has moments in their lives where they can reflect on and learn from. People either learn to better themselves or deny that they did any wrong and move on. I think we all know which types of people mustang and envy fall under. So I don't give a damn if mustang tortured envy.
MediaWhorz Like I get it.... and on a second viewing where I’m not caught up in emotion of SERIOUSLY wanting Envy dead... I can see the horror....
On the other hand.... I find I can’t bring myself to care.... burn f**ker burn!
@@jakehamilton4053 It's hard to care about the person who pulled the trigger that caused the Ishval rebellion especially when there motive is they think human souls are just resources for their father.
I can understand that Mustang is doing it for self gratification, but it can be argued that it is justice just the same.
the only reasons not to, seem to be vengeance and torture are bad...and they have a time limit to stop Father.
Mustang versus Envy is exemplified in Frederich Nietzche "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster." If Mustang carries through with his revenge, his soul will be corrupted is what the the author intended.
Mats Martensson 'Should' doesn't exist? I imagine that shakes the foundations of English grammar
Mats Martensson the concept of 'should' exists? From your initial response I thought your phone/tablet had auto-corrected 'soul' to 'should', but now I'm wondering if you really meant should...
Should I be confused?
Wendy Powell (envy)'s performance in this episode is the best voice acting I have ever heard. Really brings out the psychotic/paranoid side of him. The back-and-forth with Mustang is also amazing.
Ochinpo yeah bullshit. Stop lying to get attention
Ochinpo doesn't prove that she was your actual teacher. Any sad ass begging for attention can say a popular person was their teacher
It's not that Envy deserves to live or can be redeemed. He doesn't and he can't, but Roy Mustang cannot be the one to kill him. Or at least, he can't be allowed to kill him while consumed with hatred.
Don't piss off Roy Mustang. Never.
just bring water gun to deal with him, easy peasy
i think Bradley can take him on
Username reminded me they should watch code geass next
this comment is a next level of cringe
he can always carve the symbol on his hand like he did with Lust.
O BABY. IVE WAITED 53 WEEKS FOR THIS MOMENT!!!
Weiss Schnee SAME
A year's worth of buildup for this episode lol
Yes. Yes. YEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!
hold on guys!!!!!! next episode too!!!! just a little more!!!
Im waiting for 58's finale
I think the thing to keep in mind with Roy too is that he's already killed innocent people. He's already killed hundreds (at least) of innocent men, women, and children. He did so reluctantly, he feels guilt about it, but the fact remains that he killed them. He has already crossed MANY moral lines, things that he cannot come back from. As Calvin and Aaron point out, once you've done something, it is easier to justify it to yourself and do it again. So, having already killed innocent people, what happens when Roy crosses another line and uses his alchemy - what he vowed to use to protect people after Ishval - to slowly and painfully torture someone to death purely for his own satisfaction? He killed Lust as quickly as possible to save Al and Riza. The Promised Day is here, there are things they (and he) NEED to do in order to save thousands, and Roy is dragging out his torture of Envy as long as possible because it feels good to make Envy hurt. This is the same Roy who said after Ishval that he would do everything to protect the people he loves, to encourage others to protect each other...choosing to leave his bodyguard behind, then stay back and cause as much pain as possible to a creature he could have dispatched within seconds, no matter the consequences to himself or those he cares about.
It's also worth noting, in this case, that part of Roy's plan is to eventually have he and his fellow war 'heroes' put on trial. Not sure if they say that in the show, but it's mentioned in the manga.
Yeah, Riza mentions it in the latter half of episode 30 ("The Ishvalan War of Extermination") after talking to Ed in her apartment.
Yeah, Roy is definitely gonna cross the line later on.
Also, when Envy dies, what happens to Roy's rage? It's certainly not quelled. Where does he direct it? The other homunculi? The military brass?
It's not like Scar showed mercy to soldiers that were in his way, or targeted only alchemists involved with the war of extermination
Just like in next episode in which (SPOILERS)
he threatens to burn Ed's arm along with Envy.
Apply cold water to the burn Envy
Envy definitely deserves everything that's coming to him, but the problem with going too far with Mustang is that we have to keep in mind he already killed thousands of innocent in the name of his country. He now wants to be better, remember? He said it himself. He wants to one day be Fuhrer and lead this country, but how can he be better when he's treating Envy like this? What he did to Lust was different to what he's doing to Envy. With Lust, that was just a soldier doing his duty. He killed her while being cold and focused. Here, it's just pure hatred and wanting to torture Envy because of his thirst for vengeance and a bit of self-satisfaction. That's mainly what the problem is. Killing Envy is necessary: good, but Mustang losing himself in his dark feelings and thirst for vengeance: bad.
Honestly, despite feeling satisfied with what was happening to Envy, I was also getting a bit worried and even scared just looking at Mustang's face. We've seen a bit of his dark side before here and there, but it was fully coming out in this episode and it was not a pretty sight. For me, that's the most scary thing about his "flames of vengeance". He's letting it consume him, and he no longer feels like Mustang anymore.
Idk i felt like it was completly justified and that they shouldve just told him thats should or calm down instead of the cliche you'll become no better way to x type of dialogue. love everything about the scene i just think its weird the way he was talked to, especially from riza.
Envy is pretty responsible for everything, including why mustang is who he is so im conflicted so idk.
hennie Kru He's not saying that his anger is not understandable. However, did Mustang have the look of someone who wanted to change his country. No.
Gabriel Carrasco ahhh ok I see what you mesn
hennie Kru I'm not saying it isn't justified. I'm saying we have to keep in mind that the way Mustang is going about dealing with Envy is not going to help him if he wants to one day lead his country. This is just rage-fuelled vengenance with a bit of self-satisfication. He's not even thinking of his country anymore. So tell me, how is any of this going to make him a better person or leader for his country? How does any of that make him better than Bradley?
Weird how Riza talked to him? I disagree, considering Riza herself has a very personal stake in what Mustang does with his flame alchemy. Beginning of next episode says it all. Out of everyone, Riza makes the most sense when she's trying to stop Mustang. That and he did order her to stop him if he ever strayed off his path.
Lalisa T aaaaaa
Have to give credit to Evnys voice actor her screams make the scene
*his
^ Are you referring to the voice actor or Envy? The voice actor's name is Wendy Powell. If the latter, Envy is neither male nor female.
GTpcGaming - No, *HER, they were referring to Envy's voice actress
Evny is my favourite character
This episode's animation really is spectacular. Those slightly blurred out shots of Envy running at Mustang is genuinely just brilliant
There is fine difference between beating the shit out of someone who wronged either you or anyone close to you, and beating the guy and *ACTIVELY* attempting to paralyze the lower half of his body or breaking every bone as slowly as possible.
There's a difference between no mercy and torture and that's the line Mustang is straddling. Mustang never enjoyed the fire, it was a heavy burden that he used because he didn't want to die and he wanted to protect the people he loved. Even when he killed Lust he didn't do it to hurt her, he did it to protect Riza, Al, and Havoc. Now he's taking pleasure in taking Envy to school, Power should always be a burden, once you start to enjoy it it becomes a noose
*What's it like having the fluid in your eyes boil?* Well said Mustang
*Grabs popcorn*
Angra Mainyu lol
@Skadewdle, FMA is indeed trash. FMA:B however, is a masterpiece. I still wanna hear the tea tho, so am staying here.
ege aslan :)
Skadewdle Ewww u like it better than FMAB? Do u like Narutos filler episodes too?
This has been a satisfying week for Fullmetal reactions! Earlier in the week the Normies watched Hughes die and now I get to watch this episode with Blindwave.
same here!
The problem with revenge is that you never know how far you could actually take it, even if the culprit deserves it.
If you're the affected (or victim) and you sought vengeance, you are no longer the helpless one but the aggressor, and the suspect....the victim.
The thing that I love about blind wave is their reactions. They’re so real and relatable. Watching them react to this is like going back to when i first Watched this episode. Is very genuine
These guys are the best anime reactors I've seen so far. They take notes of the main points of the episode to discuss them after the episode ends. I've seen many reactors just start talking or arguing about shit in the middle of an episode. And they don't even pause the video before doing it. And miss some important parts on the screen while they were arguing. And then later, they get confused!😂
the difference with lust it was he was just taking out an enemy. here with envy it is straight up driven by savage revenge. when you let yourself be driven by revenge you can lose yourself.
Wise Wolf Tony agree and its not just channel its also some youtube commenters who also don’t get this. Its not about the fact Envy shouldn’t be killed. Its about Mustang killing envy in a slow brutal fashion simply because he wants revenge for Envy killing Hughes
Also with Lust, it was self-defence in a way. She nearly killed him and Havoc (and she had thought she killed them) and was going to do the same with Hawkeye and Alphonse. His hands were tied and she had to be put down. He let Envy regenerate before burning them again and again cause Roy wanted to prolong their suffering.
I literally just realized Shane said "I wanna kill somebody just like that" 😂😂😂😂
"If you compromise our principles you loose a part of yourself!" Very well said!
considering its like a roughly 15 episode finale to this show, having to wait a week between episodes must be absolute torture for you guys. i literally watched them all in one sitting i could not bring myself to stop. y'all are stronger than me
Welcome to the Roast of Envy
It's like Jedi/warrior code/bushido thing. Remember the old saying, "Once you go dark, you can't go back"
It is so funny to watch them get so invested and then ... the episode ends. I feel bad but it really is a joy to watch.
I love how super happy that guy at the start sounds, when the news is basically "OUr nation is in a state of civil war".
Envy and Mustang both are among my favourite anime characters of all time. To see Mustang just wrecking him is awesome and sad at the same time. That aside, this reaction was awesome, as usual.
9:54 Episode was so lit it had Envy harlem shaking
Interesting how almost everyone assumes it's Mustang with Envy as Hawkeye and not Hawkeye with Envy as Mustang.
This episode along with the next one are my favorite episodes in the series. Mustang is such a great character.
13:33 "Greed is kinda redeeming" ........... just wait dude... you're gonna love him even more!!!!!
I can't wait until they see Greed becoming Emperor of the whole world!
@@whoisthis2004 bruh
got to love the rage that Travis Willingham puts into the performance of mustand
envy is such a good character, him and greed are the best homunuclus and so engaging
Lol, I want them to figure out and discuss the irony of each Homunculus' death, but I guess I'll have to be patient, a few more and the pattern should become clear...
The pattern is less clear with Envy's death, I think. The next few should make it clear - they'll get it with the last one if not before.
They already mentioned something in an episode recap: “Last time on Fullmetal - Gluttony, ironically enough, got eaten.” I think it was for ep 49. They’re onto it at least.
what's the irony in lust's death?
she was hot... and them literal hot
JK
Lust was killed by a womanizer (more emphasized in the manga, but still) and she uses her charm to get men to follow her - "on their knees" but she dies on her knees as Mustang incinerates her.
The earliest FMA upload. Good thing I caught this before I head to work
I love Shane's maniac laugther
When "Savage AF" really is an accurate description.
While Envy's crimes are unforgivable, it's worth noting that in the manga at the end of each chapter there's a section where it shows each character going to heaven or hell. Every single character goes to heaven - apart from Shou Tucker. Fortunately, Nina and Alexander are seen flying up separately - so they're fine.
what about kimblee lol
Kimblee goes to heaven. He's seen rising along with Envy and some of the immortal army. And Kimblee is perhaps the must excusable of the villains. Unlike the rest, who are ruthless and evil, he is simply amoral. He does what he wants when he wants - so long as he follows his ideals and peoples follow their own he has no problem. It's when people begin to betray their own codes that he gets angry - which is why he questioned Alphonse on using the philosopher's stone. He came to the conclusion that Alphonse is able to justify this action while staying within his code, and so he holds back on being too harsh when fighting him.
thats so true. damn i appreciate him even more now lol thank you
Mats Martensson....... What are u trying to say?
😂🤣
.... You sound really unintelligent.
Oh my god, I'm so excited for next episode.
NEXT EPISODE IM SO EXCITED
Mustang murdered thousands of Ishvalians. If this is justified then every surviving Ishvalian is justified to do the same to Mustang.
Freddeboy28 I don’t think it’s quite the same. I agree that killing and torturing mustang would be kind of justified but he would be a bad target.
Mustang was just a dog of war following orders.
Envy is an actual monster who believes in the cause and enjoys killing.
If an ishvalen was going to get revenge mustang wouldn’t be all that high on the list. Pretty much anyone in central should be higher.
Envy's kill count is 2 that we know of. The Ishvalian child and Hughes. Envy was also just following Orders from Father. I highly doubt Envy was allowed to start the war just because he felt like it.
Mustang is a well known "Hero of the Ishvalian war (of extermination)" so he would likely be a target after the Fuhrer.
Alot can be said and has been said about Envy. Sarcastic/sadistic humor and has always been a way for people to hide their true feelings for example. And his true feelings become pretty clear in the next episode.
Also being a shapeshifter he was the obvious choice for shooting the child. If he had refused, well... Hello Father's boiling cauldron.
But i don't wanna join another Envy discussion. Kill him and be done with it. Mustang is in the wrong with torturing him, i think.
And "He started the war, Envy basically murdered everyone". No. Not in my eyes atleast. Ishval was a powderkeg just waiting to explode since the day Central's army marched in.
Sort of. The thing is that Envy takes pleasure on killing and does so deliberately, but Mustang hated every second of the war, he ran into a trap. Mustang is no saint, and I don't like when people only see the good on him (and Brotherhood frames it that way more than the manga), but Envy is just terrible. Besides, if Mustang was being tortured by Ishvalans I think *he* would see that as justified.
Freddeboy28 Envy is also the person who started the war when shooting a child in the face
Mustang wants to be better than what he did but envy relished every kill he has ever done. If you can't see the difference I feel pity for you
Roy giving in to his wrath is pretty a neat parallel between Wrath and Mustang. It's one thing for a person to savor a well justified vengeance, but in a militaristic totalitarian state where the fuhrer plays the role of judge, jury, and executioner, Mustang must be held to a higher standard of virtue if he will be a worthy leader in such a political structure.
Mats Martensson let's just say "value," and "imperative," are necessary fiction for the sake of practicality. Genuine nihilism and phyrronic skepticism is really not the best springboard for any sort of narrative-be it fictional or in reality.
Well I suppose you can reduce everything to ethical consequentialism via game theory, but even then, at its core, game theory functions under the assumption that being better of is more preferable than acting in such a way that you get the short end of the stick. So if we dismiss ethics, and by extension politics, through the dismissal of any reference point by which we measure how anybody should act-whether via value ethics or consequentialism- why bother with anything at all?
Should we perhaps measure action via pleasure and pain? But just the same, how can seeking pleasure and avoiding pain be an acceptable point of reference for our actions if: 1. pleasure has no value hence there is no imperative to seek it; 2. Pain has no value and there is no imperative to avoid it?
So again, if there's no such thing as meaning (genuine nihilism,) and existence is an epistemological desert where nothing can be truly known (phyrronic skepticism,) why would any character/subject not just commit suicide soon as the story begins/ soon as he is born?
Mats Martensson when I say "necessary fiction," I meant it a la Nietzsche see: ifpe.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/nietzsches-necessary-fictions-become-psychoanalytic-narratives/
I'm not in disagreement with you that "value," "worth," "necessity," are illusions. However, I argue that some of these illusions are necessary for the sake of practicality, otherwise if we dismiss all of these illusions and follow it to its logical conclusion, we will always end up with the question of meaning. Why is there meaning as opposed to there being none, and by extension why is existence more preferable to non-existence? Couldn't you also make the argument that meaning is just as much an illusion as value and worth? And isn't the truth only true when it is coherent with its point of reference? Or are you referring to the truth as something metaphysical?
The problem with Mustang doing this to Envy is that he's playing judge, jury and executioner at once, eventhough his stated goal with becoming Fuhrer is to revamp the country precisely so that it's leader can't ever again be judge, jury and executioner the way Bradley was to Ishval. It's hypocritical of him, no matter how many times Envy has earned the punishment he gets.
YOUVE INCURRED THE WRATH OF ROY MUUUUSTANG!
Leaders must be the most restrained and forgiving of people. Because they have the power to do. If they let themselves they can do great evils. Leaders must have restrain, one evil act makes others easier. Mustang doing this would forever tip the balance on how he would rule.
I just completed the show last night and wow it’s great
The show is really on point when it comes to cliffhangers isn't it.
I freaking love their reaction to the cliffhanger
Ahhh. They edited out the bone marrow line. That probably my favorite line in the whole series
That's it, I'm becoming a patreon with full lenght, just fr this month, just for the best anime ever and best scene
how was their response to ep 54 overall? positive throughout each scenes?
Welcome to 100 facts about fire with Col. Mustang and his assistant Envy
I have to say I always love the discussions this and the next episode evoke.
Honestly, each of the Homunculi has had somewhat redeeming qualities, excluding Lust. Greed's is his honesty and laid back attitude/rebellious anti-hero tendencies. Gluttony's is his childlike demeanor. Wrath's is his seemingly love for his wife. Pride's is his seemingly love for his mother. Sloth's is similar to Gluttony's, with his simple-minded, just do what your told mentality. Envy's is his occasional back and forth, almost friendly like, banter with Ed. Lust doesn't really have anything I can think of, except for maybe how she looked after Gluttony, perhaps in a motherly way. They're all fucked up, some more than others, but they occasionally do show somewhat likable traits; again, some more than others.
Roy is my favorite character but Envy is my favorite Homunculus, i'm confused!!! And guys, I don't think that Envy have a gender since he can change forms and his base form is a worm like creature or a giant monster when he is powered up by souls, but everyone refers to it as a he, so Envy is a guy by popular demand!
Btw. after you mentioned that GoT-comparison: What'S better against an army of zombies/undeads? three dragons or one Roy Mustang?
I love how upset yall get when the episode ends lmfao
This episode and the next one is my favorite of the series
IMO they should watch the last 2 episodes together in one sit through. NO SPOILERS but I feel the last two episodes ties up perfectly
Pay attention boys, what Mustang does to Envy is going to make what he did to Lust look like a mild sunburn.
God bless Travis Willingham for his amazing performance!
I love their reactions to when the episode ends.
Envy's fate in the '03 FMA makes this one's ending even more gratifying. just sitting here like "get him, Mustang!"
Oh *snap*
And there's a cut in the middle of this fight? What? I could have sworn this was all one episode...
Don’t know why your so surprised when there’s a cliffhanger but boy oh boy gotta love those envy marshmallows getting burn to an crisp 🔥😉
MUSTANG Dub or Sub. BADASS!
I highly recommend Samurai Champloo or Trigun when this is over. They are short and sweet.
I don't think the issue is Mustang enjoying Envy's pain, it's that his own pain and rage are in control, rather than him being in control of himself. It's less the what or how and more the why.
I really wish you guys had done a double episode special for 53 and 54. That cliffhanger is painful.
PLEASE react to Fullmetal Alchemist 2003 after this! You guys will have so much fun comparing the two
Hope you guys knew to watch the ending credits of the next episode (episode 54).
Not a huge thing, but the difference in facial hair from now compared to before, oh my word.
Shane: "I don't understand going too far and not being able to come back."
Yeah. We know.
Spoilerss for next episode
10:42 (Pause) Great attention to detail: Mustang clicks his fingers using his middle finger and thumb ONLY (See 4:31). Envy wouldn't know that, and that's also probably what tipped Hawkeye off, (her face at 10:42 is her QUESTIONING what Mustang is doing, NOT "Oh, it's only you Roy"). We know that the, "Call's me by my first name", is a lie, therefore this is pretty much one of the few things that can get her to question Envy's legitimacy as Mustang.
The other clues might be - How he reacted to her insubordination when he's in his rage
- How he's so accepting of her coming along to murder Envy with him, something Mustang would ... NEVER do since he wants to fuck up Envy by himself as revenge.
Fkin Love this show man
Here comes the most divisive episodes in the series. Next week should be fun.
Angra Mainyu Every time lol
Darn that ending, i forgot the next part was not this episode.
Hot Episode! But next...
6:17 I HAVE WAITED FOT THIS MOMENT FOR SO LONG!!!!
Eric: *god dammit son of bitch!!*
9:47 Shane: "I wanna kill somebody just like that!" BRO WHAT
Envy have great death - not as good as wrath but equal to greed..
Grumman wasn't actually thinking that monologue. Miles was thinking that that monologue could be running through Grumman's head. AKA that scene is a weird fake out because Grumman could actually be thinking that, but we're just getting Miles' suspicion.
*leinad050* - It's meant to be ambiguous, even the manga left it on the table. Clearly, if he doesn't act on any of those thoughts we heard, we can assume it was Miles' suspicion, but that's just hindsight.
Unfortunately, only 10 episodes of the best anime ever are left.
The only good follow up I can think of is Hunter x Hunter (2011).
Yea that’s awesome
Or Attack on Titan.
HxH is long and with 1 episode a week? I won't recommend.
Parasyte
Ahsaan Baig I mean, for this particular show, HxH is the closest match. They could replace MHA with AOT, as that would be a better replacement. As for HxH being too long, so what? It's not like it has drab filler, or gets dull at any point. Plus, we could maybe convince them to upload two episodes a week.
Rain Nah they won't do 2 a week again. Even doctor who has no chance of that and it's looong.
So I just pledged for the early access making you guys the first patreon I've ever supported I like your crew tho loved how at the end of this episode you were all so distraught over it ending and like you I also can't wait for the next episode why I pledged
Fire is like the force, size does not matter.
WE'RE HERE BABY
11:03 DAMMIT GOD SONUVABITCH!
Best reaction to a cliffhanger ever.
The guy who was speaking at the very beginning sounded a bit like Jerry from Rick and Morty.
You guys should react to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
Mustang is the superman of FMA, either hes super OP and unstoppable or completly useless
IceIsWater He's never useless. His flame alchemy is just rendered useless in certain situations.
Lust and envy dying is like getting spamed by Scorpions hellfire xD
53 & 54 is my favorite episode
I was looking forward to your reactions to this episode then i forgot it ends in a cliffhanger now im pissed too.
Eric’s face at the end lol
Spoilers
Now that i thought about it, if Hawkeye bumped into the real mustang, he could've seriously hurt her in that situation.
Yeah, that's what I assumed was gonna happen when first watching the series, and I am kind of sad that it didn't happen. I love hawkeye, but I think it would be such a powerful moment, it would be red wedding levels of fuck.
Not really, he hesitated to use Alchemy on Hughes(Envy), who is dead. She is now the closest person he's got.
I thought the same and I was scared as shit that if that's real Mustang he won't think and attack blindly with all his anger.
DutchDread Red Wedding levels of fuck? Lol
ege aslan 😂😂😭😭😭
11:04 Lol!
I would find it difficult trust someone who takes pleasure in someone else's torture. Even Hitler or something- there should be nothing pleasurable in torturing someone, even if they deserve it. I understand doing it as a 'punishment', but clearly drawing enjoyment and satisfaction is a sign of an unbalanced mind in my opinion.
You guys should watch Hunter X Hunter (2011)
Remember, flame alchemy was supposedly the strongest alchemy.
Next episode we have the most iconic moment in the whole show. Can't wait
Gonna say this every episode
You guys should react to the bloopers when you finish this series