The Insanely Revealing Frozen 2 Behind-the-Scenes Documentary
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I like how the documentary was supposed to be like "Woah, the crew went through so many hardships and the movie still turned out so good!", but in reality it's just like "ohhhh that's why it turned out like that"
Definitely.
Exactly
That explains why Atahalan was pitch black!
Wish they could've done more w Show Yourself, because the scenery and dress change was incredibly underwhelming
the movie was good tho-
@@cowplusdog5655 yeah if tou have the life expectancy of a golf fish
I'm more surprised that Disney didn't sugarcoat the documentary to make it seem magical and perfect. In order to not sully their reputation in any way, shape or form.
You could tell that they tried to sugarcoat as much as they could, but there were SO MANY problems with production that you could still feel the stress through the screen.
Darien O'Neal same while I was watching this video I felt all of the stress and I haven’t even started watching the series which I will soon because I’m looking to see if that’s where I could be in the near future
They did, but even if they didnt, its not like people could take them down
A shit ton of people hate those live action heaps of shit they keep pumping out, yet the box office say otherwise
At this point, I think Disney knows that they can literally do anything and get away with it. So it’s not like they care.
That's because the documentary obscured a huge plot point during production. You think the "massive" changes were just over clarity? They redid the third act.
“The first time the crew gets to receive feedback from the target audience: kids”
See, there was their mistake. There was a six year gap between the movies. The kids who actually watched frozen were ready for a more complex story because they had done some growing up since then.
I feel like every single time I hear about how a test screening changes a movie it’s never for the better.
The one time I can think of off the top of my head is that Shrek's use of All Star was originally a placeholder until test audiences reacted positively to it
And also the best movies are the ones you learn to enjoy a bit more every time you rewatch them and notice things you used to be too young to understand, there’s a reason why so many children’s favorite movie is the Incredibles, a movie that involves very boring and adult themes- *kids like it when the moviemakers don’t talk down to them or feel a need to overexplain*
@@Platitudinous9000 Who framed Rogger Rabbit had a Test audience that hated it, but film did do very well.
They said the Adults liked it, so I guess they had like 3 year olds to watch it
@@Platitudinous9000 phew
I feel so bad for the producer he looks like he’s on the verge of tears
Oh hi xiao PFP:D
i know dude
he really looks like he's gonna cry and it also feels like he's being held at gunpoint
@@OperatorMax1993 When Roy E Disney died, the heart and Soul of Disney may have died with him??????????
He's frickin' pink. PINK!
I think we all do…
Dude, even Walt tried to tackle telling the story of the Ice Queen, but shelved it several times when he and his team couldnt come up with the right way to tell the story. They'd be months into preproduction before realizing they had to put it down and move on to another project that was easier to flesh out.
They did the same thing for Beauty and The Beast
You know what's funny though? Disney actually DID manage to do an Ice Queen story, in a way. The Chronicles of Narnia (The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe)! C.S. Lewis was a genius. What an incredible way to retell that story!
Thunderbird 1
To be fair, they had a lot more to work with. Narnia had been around for... a while, and it already had some past work done to help shape who the white witch was, how she acted, what she looked like, etc.
Frozen was being produced for nearly a century
@@athan13590
You’re right, but Narnia already made its stamp on the world with a lot more world building while Frozen was a single movie topic that was discussed back and forth with no consistency.
This is what happens when Disney says “MAKE A SEQUAL BY THIS TIME” and the studio workers don’t have any choice.
It's like when Atari asked Howard Scott Warshaw to make E.T. for the Atari 2600 in just five weeks completely single-handedly.
Time limits, the bane of humanity.
At least Return of Jafar had the excuse of being made a pilot for a TV show...
The same scenario happened with Toy Story 2 but that turned into a masterpiece. IMO it depends on the people working on the movie. The producers of Frozen 2 were definitely getting in the way of each other. They needed someone like John Lasseter to rally the troops and push through. The employees at Disney Animation were paid to deliver a product by a certain date so it's not unreasonable for the executives to expect that the employees do their job properly.
@@killblade6 The bane of everyone not named Trey Parker or Matt Stone
Fun fact: the inflexibility problem has been an issue for decades at Disney. In the documentary 'Waking Sleeping Beauty', there was a moment where they talked about how Jeffrey Katzenberg had a meeting with the group of animators (this was around Beauty and the Beast's production) and asked how they were doing. One guy said that he didn't have any time to see his family. Another said he would have to sleep in the studio in order to make his deadlines. Katzenberg was supposedly 'moved to tears' and went "this is wrong, you have to have a life" and then did nothing to change it.
Kinda explains a lot, actually.
Wow…
Least evil Katzenberg moment
I have experienced this exact conversation so many times at work. It’s despicable and I’m looking for another job.
This reminds me that Walt Disney once said: "We don't make movies to make money, we make money to make movies"
Well that aged well...
Imagine his reaction to Disney now...
@@zhenzhen2141 He'd probably be like "Wow these drawings are insanely detailed!" at all the 3D animation.
@@ferhog7705 not only that but also “oh wow! Now Disney is a money making scheme who is constantly time crunching everyone. Im sooooo proud”
"Keep moving forward"
Original Lion King: it’s gonna take us like 2 years to develop and integrate the technology for this stampede scene alone, so let’s buckle down and do this right.
Frozen 2: W I N T E R R E L E A S E
Disney wasn't looking when they were making lion king, they were looking at Pocahontas and thinking "bitch you better be good"
@@justbny9278 yeah, if only we could know which movies "the B team" made ahead of time so we could look forward to them lol
@@justbny9278 true
"Release by noon or your skulls go boom"
But at the same time, Lion King was a rip-off of Kimba the White Lion
Dude, the statement at 4:54 is terrible to watch honestly. As someone who loves psychology, let me say, he looks like he is legitimately having a panic attack, or a neurotic episode of some sort. I felt so bad for him, he looks like he is about to break down sobbing... Jesus, Disney.
And that might've been the most positive footage the docuentary crew managed to film.
I feel so bad- like there is so much pressure on them
As someone wise once said " slavery never ended, it was redesigned "
His breathing and tone of voice definitely makes me worried about him
Yeah i dont think i need a psychology degree to figure that out. Poor guy
"Adults liked it, but kids found it too vague."
So what you're saying is, individuals that grew up watching Frozen liked it and thought it was a good sequel, but smaller kids that never had a connection to Frozen didn't know what was going on. So instead of going with the adults that would for sure spend money on a good sequel, they bet on the kids who MIGHT NOT watch it, and so made a film that felt like it didn't even belong in the same universe. GOT IT.
"Kids found it too confusing and vague, so the crew decided to go back and simplify everything."
Back when Frozen came out in 2013, I was about 4 or 5 when I saw it, and I didn't even understand most of the movie. Maybe it's because I skipped most of the scenes, or because I was just paying attention to the visuals and the music and not to the dialogue, but rewatching it as a 13 year old, I realized that there were a bunch of things in the original movie that I didn't get when I was younger. I didn't understand what the trolls were doing when they were changing Anna's memories, or why Elsa was distanced and isolated from Anna. I didn't understand what happened when their parents died, so my Dad had to explain it afterwards.
I know that everyone's saying this, but I'll say this again: They didn't need to go simplify and clarify things to make it easier for kids to understand. I didn't even understand the first Frozen movie when I was 5 years old. When they rewatch it when they're older, the things that went over their head when they were younger, they will understand later on. And this is the thing with a bunch of media and stories.
If a movie is made for only children to appreciate, then they didn’t really make a movie.
What they’ve made instead was a toy commercial.
@@user-rd6zt2hi7r Toy manufacturers used to promote toys from R rated movies to children. Such as Robocop for example.
I mean, it is a movie for kids ya weirdo
@@Uhohlisa Annnd... what's that supposed to mean? That people who were raised on the original movie/enjoyed the original movie can't also enjoy the new one? This mindset is why Disney animation has fallen behind so much. You can have a very deep/sad story and still make it marketable for kids. Little Mermaid. Lion King. Beauty and the Beast. They are all very adult stories, but made beautifully and done in a way that makes it look fun for kids.
This is excuse is the most pathetic excuse anyone in the industry can make and you know it.
Last time an animiated movie got delayed, it turned out exceeding expectations, it really paid off for everyone, and broke a running gag curse for once.
*cough* Sonic The Hedgehog Movie
To be fair it only got delayed because of the huge online backlash it got after the trailer drops.
Meanwhile frozen 2 teaser looks pretty promising at first
The Sonic movie is fundamentally great. And it wasn’t just the redesign. You could really tell by the final film compared to its first trailer, the filmmakers wanted to do everything to fix and make the movie flow through and succeed well... which it did. And I’m super excited and crossing my fingers for Sonic 2 in 2022. I don’t think I’ve felt like this for a movie sequel since Sam Raimi’s Spider Man
Fuck your right
Sonic will become Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man but no emo dance
@@sonictennyson2201 Shadow could do the emo dance. Sonic did the Floss after all
TLDR: The Mouse's snipers wouldn't allow a late release date, therefore a rushed film was released. Big shame, I wonder what could've happened of they had more time.
Terry Dactyl probably something really good.
That can go for a lot of films. I think the reason the Star Wars sequel trilogy turned out as it did was because they only had 2 year gaps when the originals and prequels had 3
Kyle Campbell The problem was that J. J. Abrams had plans for all 3 movies but of course Mickey RAT said no, then Disney revealed later on that they should’ve gone with Abram’s plans. Abrams wanted to flesh out who Rey’s parents were in the second movie and have them be of importance in the third but obviously that never happened.
@@basketcaseface813 Tbh there's a looooot of issues with the sequels, one being that J.J gave Rian complete control over what he wanted to do over the sequel without giving him a definitive plan on where he wanted the trilogy to go. Even then it was clear J.J didn't really know what made Star Wars as great, a clear comparison on what it could be like when given to a director that KNOWS Star Wars then just look at the Mandalorian and Clone Wars, both considered some of the best Star Wars to ever come out. So I think even if J.J got the time he needed it would still give very mixed reviews
Lance the Decayed Guardian Well at least they most likely would have been better if he did work on them, I’m not saying that they would have been the best they could be, just saying they could have been better than what we got for The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker. But yeah, the people who worked on a Mandalorian and The Clone Wars probably could make 10 Star Wars movies that are better than the sequels.
"You can't rush art" -- that old guy from Toy Story 2
Jerry
@@lahlybird895 Geri
@@TalmoTheSell oh, right
yes, so true
"It takes time to do things right!" -Dreamfinder
Thing is, personally, I think most of this problem comes from the first movie.
The first movie gave us the message that elsa's journey was done. She had accepted herself, symbolized by her control over her powers and acceptance of love in order to thaw. There was nothing hinted at about her wanting something more.
... And then frozen 2 tells us "oh, she actually doesn't feel comfortable, let's make her search for herself AGAIN". We don't know what she's truly looking for or why. Nothing was planted beforehand so the fifth element thing feels like an arsepull
Long story short, it didn't need a sequel. So the sequel's story could only pull at nothing.
"But... but... MONEY!"
Even some sequels that “didn’t need to be made” like shrek 2 or kung fu panda 2 turn out as masterpieces, they just didn’t have enough time to find a good story that felt important
I think you’re right. The first movie definitely concluded elsa’s looking for herself.
I do like playing with the Idea that she’s not ready to be queen, considering she was a complete shut in. Logically she shouldn’t be ready to be all the aspects of queen. I also like the Idea of just giving one more lore indication of where her powers come from.
By framing it as a mysterious voice they had the chance to explore this angle. If elsa wasn’t so internally driven by it it could have absolutely been seen as a threat against airendell and elsa’s journey could have been to investigate the source. None of this 5th element stuff tho. Just 1 of a few other elements. In investigating and dealing with the threat elsa could be learning more and more about what it means to be queen to protect yourself and your people. She can use her powers against another spirit, accidentally harm it, and actually think about the nescecity of self defense. What if instead of the spirits being mad about the dam or the 5ths spirit leaving, say it was elsa who was ‘stolen’ not for power or whatever but because their parents fell in love, but as adults, and the actual voice is calling her back maliciously because it sees the power as stolen?
We can go from movie 1 being elsa finding herself and accepting who she is, to movie 2 being elsa and anna together learning the war/peace responsibilities of the crown. That way we still get to a lot of the points they wanted to seem to hit.
I think that Frozen 2 should have been about Anna
@@whynot6266 this
Nintendo: We delayed Animal Crossing New Horizons because we care about our game developers and we want them to have a healthy lifestyle
Disney: N o
Square Enix did the same with FF7R. It was supposed to release in March 2020 but they delayed the game for an extra month. And it wasn’t due to COVID because they confirmed the delay way before COVID initiated
@@cloudshines812 Though, SE also delayed The Avengers and Kingdom Hearts 3 by literal years and still had a poor product come out. Granted, they had to work with Dis--WAIT A MINUTE!!
@@austinfondren5053 And don't forget Marvel vs Capcom infinite.
@@nonamepasserbya6658 Giving my boy Wolverine the boot just cuz Disney didn't have the film rights to the X-Men smh
Scott: in response to SB being delayed again, i give you another game. Enjoy
(Scott cawthon, not the scott the woz)
Considering how popular Frozen is, moving the deadline shouldn't have been a problem, it would have made disney billions anyway. And had it been better, maybe a couple of billions more.
They have that dumb moive per season thing
They would have lost the Christmas merchandise sales I'm thinking
@@camilab2430 would they though? They could've just released the toys and stuff to promote the movie even more.
@@camilab2430 I guarantee that's why because it's a winter/ snow themed movie even though takes place in fall.
Gigantic got cancelled so they probably wanted to push it quickly.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is why you write the beginning and ending of a story FIRST. The middle is what you develop LAST.
Thank you!
Yes! This is a lesson I learned in 7th grade Drama class that has stuck with me for over a decade. How can professionals forget this?!
yeah... the little plot mountain thing we all learned in the 5th or 6th grade was kiiiinda important lol
even the TEACHER said not to worry about what was in the middle, or even the intro, just know HOW and WHERE the story ends. and fill in the JUICY bits last and make it make SENSE worry about details LATER even if you have really cool ideas. write em' down, and MOVE ON... a lesson the creators of miraculous ladybug and disney seems to not have learned smh
thanks for the tip buddy
"People have forgotten to tell a story. Stories don't have a middle or end anymore. They usually have a beginning that never stops beginning." - Steven Spielberg
In my opinion the story would’ve been better if instead of four elements it was the four seasons,with Elsa being the spirit of winter
This is already a significantly better concept
Right? Like it was RIGHT THERE.
Such a simple change, and yet it would’ve made such a massive difference!
Elsa should have been the villain with Anna and Kristoff being the main characters that must undo the curse placed on the spirits that corrupted them. There’s conflict and a dark twist right there that the franchise seriously needed.
That actually would have been very cool
I feel really bad for the people who worked on the movie. Nobody would join the entertainment industry to be rushed and held to an unmoving deadline. People join the entertainment industry because they want to tell good stories
Yeah, exactly!
Well they told a good story though.
@@maxcanonstunner6532 To each their own.
@@artbytesia maybe.
Nobody would ever do anything for money
wow the producer sounds like he's gonna start crying any moment
I thought so too...
Stress is scary
I just feel bad for the entire crew honestly,It looks like they've lost years of their live with this movie.
Poor guy :(
@@WinterFalling Incredibles two was terrible. How anyone can like this god awful insult which was just recycle of the first one is beyond me. I mean Toy Story 4 wasn't perfect but I seriously don't get why people like Incredibles 2. It was so bad.
its super nice to see him talk about the crunch culture in animation. its REALLY bad, guys. if you speak up about workloads, you get perceived as lazy or not a team player, and then you get BLACKLISTED from the industry.
This comment deserves to be seen more tbh
The way you’re describing it sounds a lot like Japan’s Black Companies. Black Companies are places where the employees are frequently overworked, but under-payed; And if they try to quit, the company will make them look bad and severely lower their chances of getting another job.
That's scary as hell.
A big time animator called Marx talked about this a lot.
This honestly makes me really glad I wrote off Disney from “animation companies I might work for “ list. Honestly, being rejected by DISNEY, THE BIGGEST ANIMATION STUDIO, IN THE WORLD, sounds horrific to me, THE BIGGEST COMPANY, wouldn’t see my hard work and saw that I wasn’t good enough
I took a 3D animation course (didn’t finish it is literally hell. You have to be nuts to work in this industry) and sadly deadlines and last minute crunches are VERY VERY VERY common. Like it’s in almost every movie. And I’m not just talking about fully animated. Any movie with cgi works their animators to the bone last minute.
Too give you an idea of what it’s like I told my friends hat we were told by multiple animators that came to talk to our class and when I told them what work hours turned into in the last months all my friend told me is “but that’s illegal, they can’t make you do that” and she was right. But animators jobs like this don’t work like most jobs. You work contract jobs. It’s true they can’t MAKE you come in and work 20 hours, but this shot needs to be done buy Wednesday and you know they don’t HAVE to sign you back. You don’t get it done, you don’t have a job after this movie. Doesn’t even matter if you know this movie is going to suck. One of the animators I talked to worked on the dolittle remake. She said it sucked in the kindest way possible. This was maybe a month before it came out??
I’m sure not all jobs are the same, but from all the people in the industry I talked to it is most of them. If ya have any questions feel free to ask. I have a good amount of industry knowledge even if I’m not in it. c:
I am currently learning to be good at animation. Any advice?
@@toastgear2532 use tons of references, take your time and don’t be afraid to break the rules of how things should work. As long as it look good from the camera that’s all the matters!! That is if it’s 3D lol
@@strelasart Oh ok thanks!
Im in my second year of studying animation at college. Almost jump from the balcony 3 times in the first month
Crunch is also pretty common in video games (which are completely computer-generated) from what I know of.
In a tim Burton documentary he talked about the amount of stress he was under when working for Disney and that's why he left
Now that makes sense when we're talking about Disney's bad business practices. Sure, Disney is an amazing company, but their bad business practices deserve to get them criticism, because people root for them to improve. Without Disney making up to Burton from the company's mistakes, we wouldn't have them help the guy make The Nightmare Before Christmas a masterpiece of which goth communities flock over to the nearest Hot Topic to get merch from the franchise including Kingdom Hearts!
Was this after Dumbo?
@@darwincity well that depends on when he was working. Because earlier in his career, he was involved with the early drafts of The Black Cauldron
The priority of Disney has been making money for a long time, said Michael Eisner before he stepped in as CEO of the company "The pursuit of making money is the only reason to make movies. We have no obligation to make history. We have no obligation to make art. We have no obligation to make a statement... Our only objective may be to make money, but in order to make money, we must always make entertaining movies. And if we make entertaining movies, at times we will make history, art, a statement, or all three. We may even win awards"
That is messed up
It's so sad because it completely goes against what Walt Disney believed, "We dont make movies to make money, we make money to make more movies"
and he has the right idea, survival should be paramount.
Which is ironic, since they own PIXAR, which does the EXACT OPPOSITE!!
@@aliminator1310 not anymore after all the sequel they're making.
Toy Story 4 was a spit on the original trilogy
So Frozen 2 was in production hell? Who would've thought?!
Especially since frozen 1 had production hell in the first place.
Production hell frozen over with mediocre ice
@@magicalgirlmel3289 really?
Haha when he talked about it I thought it sounded like some new torture in the bad place
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 Yes. The Snow Queen film went over a shitton of rewrites. Let it Go even changed the plot of the film completely.
"Show Yourself" was tbh the hardest hitting Disney song since "Part of Your World" so it's a shame that the rest of Frozen 2 is completely forgettable while Little Mermaid will continue to live in my brain forever rent free
Same...That and vuelie are my favourites
so true
I wish they could've done more w Show Yourself, it's the best song but the scenery and dress change was incredibly underwhelming!
i watched little mermaid so many times. and still don't know the story-. in my opinion i really liked frozen 2. (because i actually looked at it from different sides unlike 95% of these other comments) and what is part of your world- sorry..
@@cowplusdog5655 finally. A person who actually has a brain unlike the other people who just trash talking the movie for no reason.
I’m still sadden to think what Frozen 2 could have been if they treated the animators like people and gave them a reasonable work schedule.
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i already liked it, but i probably would've even liked it more
I do think there was more to it, like I think the voice was way more than what they showed us, plus I do believe that Elsa is only 1 of the “spirt” people. Remember the scene when Elsa opened the door and there were multiple floating shards. I think those shards mean there’s more Spirt people, with one of them standing for Elsa.
The thing that bugs me the most is that Elsa is the 5th spirit, a whole separate spirit, when ice and snow is WATER
My take was that she was a mixture of all the elements. Yes water, but ice can burn like fire, she creates snow flurries so air and every thing is earth based. So a "fifth element". Or maybe I just put more thought into it than the writers did.
@@artwriter76 I think you DID put more thought into it than them.
My mom interpreted it as HUMANS being the 5th spirit, and frankly, that makes more sense. But they didn't even clarify this in the movie, so I was equally confused.
Yes.
I'm sorry but I just want to say that making Elsa even more "special" like that does not build on her character but rather tears it down and I did not like that reveal. I would have been more on board with "Love" being the fifth element.
@@js66613 Elsa is special enough that Ahtohallan had the power to froze her.
Lol
It seemed a lot of people missed one point the movie was trying to make: Anna is also special (forget about Kristoff).
The sisters is special, the rest can go into a bin. That's how Frozen filmmakers treat its characters that's not making money.
What really sucks is that this movie had so many deleted scenes that are freaking awesome. And they cut them out because “it was too scary for kids” I thought they were literally trying to make this movie more geared towards teenagers and adults since those are the people who grew up with the first Frozen. But they dumbed down the movie and added a bunch of stupid jokes and all of which pretty much ruined the story. And they didn’t expand on any of the other characters especially the tribe in the forest. And that one black general guy (forgot his name)
Yeah, when the most of important stuff is on only storyboard, this smells bad...
Other thing... SCARY?
How?
Yeah, the movie should had made it's audience for teens.
yeah lol like
kids nowdays didn't grow up with that scene where Snow White is lost in the dark woods
they don't know what is to be scary of a movie's scene
@@Lumiblanc yep.
They gotta sell those toys
A good story works with mediocre animation
A mediocre story does not work even with the best animation..
Disney has animation mastered, they could make the best looking movies ever. It's the story they need to work on more..
Agreed.
more like they need to give the people more time
Your first point is really true about anime. Some Anime's look like they were drawn by 5th grader but have a intense storyline and succeed anyway.
@@kasumi4055 it's mostly because the animators animate with the manga's art style
@@cowplusdog5655 Oh. Thank you for telling me about this.
This documentary was better than the actual movie
do you actually think that? or are you just following the other comments. cus i thought i was pretty good
@@cowplusdog5655 he's just following the other comments who has no brains.
@@cowplusdog5655 the animation is good the story *idea* is good but how it was rushed and executed makes it ehh....yk....t h i s
*Edit: I kinda liked it*
I feel like Disney is starting to lose what they really are. They’re so wrapped in their success they think can stay successful because they were Disney. They think they shouldn’t try anymore when really that would leave to their downfall.
They already have. They've always been that way ever since Bob Iger became the CEO of the company, which he's not anymore (but he doesn't actually officially leave Disney for good until the end of next year) now that former Disney Parks Chairman, Bob Chapek has taken Iger's old top job. But Chapek was the worst Disney Parks Chairman of all time. He ruined the Disney Parks division just like Iger ruined the whole company because he's just like Iger. So he was completely unworthy of becoming Disney's newest CEO. And as soon as Iger officially retires, Chapek is going to pick up right where Iger left off and continue to run Disney to the ground. That's a sure sign that Disney may never be restored to it's former glory and truly become great again and that's really sad.
Watch as the studio will go nearly bankrupt but a princess movie will save it for the 3rd time
@@hiraimomosslave9251/videos/videos I'm not so sure about that. I doubt that Disney will ever be nearly shut down for good because they're just too big and too wealthy to even fail. But I do know that they can be redeemed by firing all the bad people that were responsible for Disney's true downfall and replacing and even promoting them with people who actually care about quality, the fans, escapism, and timelessness, respect and honor Walt Disney and his legacy, and especially oppose identity politics and the liberal agenda and narrative. That's the only way for Disney to truly become great again.
Yeah I agree that they only care of money, I don't feel that magic like I did of seeing bambi 1, or the old classics, those had movement and beauty, style, now it's pretty dann generic honestly-
Can't wait till disney burns
I just wanna talk to the critics who gave Meet the Robinsons a 67%
Why? Is it really good?
Same.
@@megashark1013 It's better than most people think I can say for sure. It all depends on your taste in humor though. The overall message is very strong regardless though!
It's a eh has a good message but still eh
Is very good.
I was shocked watching this documentary how chaotic this process went. Everything rushed and ambiguous about the ending of Frozen 2 suddenly made sense. I can’t believe they rushed Show Yourself so much, I could really tell that animation sequence hadn’t been fleshed out watching it the first time. Especially comparing it to Elsa’s other discovery moment in Let it go; it just seemed so empty and vague. The song itself is beautiful, but really the animators had no choice but to rush and cut corners. It’s pretty sad :(
While true about the animators, the story wasn't at all rushed like this dude seems to be implying. The major plot points were in the background of the first episode of the docu. The ending of with the new Queen was literally the first thing they decided on. Idk what you found confusing about that.
Atahalan was pitch black! I was incredibly underwhelmed!
There's nothing wrong with show youself. The hell you're talking?
”We’ve never missed a release date, and there’s no way we’re gonna be the first one”
”I will not be the weak link!”
I am the Morning and Evening Star. I am PHAROAH.
A Dreamworks reference to a Disney documentary. Oh the irony
I think is important to clarify that Miyamoto quote:
“I didn’t mean to say a bad game is always bad, what I meant to say is if you release a game in a bad state you will always regret it,” Miyamoto explained when asked by TheJWittz.
Then, when speaking to That One Video Gamer in a later interview, he expanded on such thoughts: “People really like that quote! [laughs] I think I really meant to say was that when I make a game, and if I rush to get it out on time but it’s still not done the way that I want it to be and I put it out in a state that I’m not satisfied with, I’ll never be able to take it back and I will regret it for a very long time. I never had an intention of telling anybody that they’ve made a bad game, and that it will always be bad.”
In conclusion
"if you gonna made a Sequel, plan it nicely"
Thanks for providing the further context! I find this very interesting because he implies that a "bad" game can become good. I certainly think things that are first received poorly can later be appreciated for what they accomplished, but I wonder if that's what he meant
Ironically that this original quote was about digital games , which as softwares are infinitely patchable and really could eventually become good even with a rush release. Films and books , on the other hand , could never be altered, and would be ‘bad’ forever once released.
Disney didnt listen that sadly
"... if you release a game in a bad state you will always regret it"
It just sounds like Sakurai with Melee. Such an accidental wonderful game and a lot of people love it, but Sakurai... Sakurai doesn't.
“We’ve never missed a release date and there’s no way this is gonna be the first one”
Cut to four months later, when Disney had to delay the opening of “Mulan” due to the pandemic and then kept pushing it back for 6 months.
Well, the movie _was_ ready...
I get what you mean but the delay had nothing to do with the creative team not being able to finish the movie on time, it was done, it even had its premiere (which is quite ironic now).
There's no way they could've predicted the pandemic, and it was completely out of their control, even IF they wanted to release it in theaters like 99% of them are closed so good luck making any money/getting people to watch it/not having the movie being spoiled for everyone when that ONE guy decides to tell everyone the ending.
Because they know that no one cares about live-action Disney movies, which is kind of funny
I mean, that's also a very different situation, and they did the same thing with Pixar's Soul and that dragon one
Thats different it wasn't their fault.
Honestly I'm always relieved when I hear something I care about is being delayed, because it means that the creators know it's not ready yet and aren't going to rush the process and end up with a terrible end result.
This is me with Beyond the Spiderverse
" Couldn't Disney just skip one Summer?"
Disney: OF COURSE NOT, we got to think about all that moola we would miss out!
ironically having bad movies that no one remembers will hurt disney money wise in the long run... they’re still making money off the classic princesses this long after their release but a lot of their newer movies don’t have the same cultural impact which means 30 years from now their current movies probably won’t have any die hard fans introducing them to their children, etc. but hey who cares about money we could make in the future if you can make money right now??
then they‘ll just make live action remakes of pixar movies or the those few that were succesfull like frozen 1 or moana
@@Dr.JonathanCrane I've heard they are already talking about a live action remake of Frozen 1
@@aluna1234 Actually, they want to make one on the ACTUAL "Snow Queen" story, so folks can see what inspired Frozen. My guess is they ruin this too though. BBC I think made a version of it over 15 years ago, it captivated me as a young kid.
Damn. I never thought about it like that.
@@Dr.JonathanCrane noononono don’t let them touch cars please ~
I would've rather had a vague, ambitious story that children might not appreciate till they're older. Than a story that is overly simplified and feels like a direct to DVD Disney sequel that came out in the mid 2000's with amazing animation
Dude your right 🤣
something like megamind
@@oncreativemode5486 holy shiet, you're right
The bee movie?
Would ou then pay for it years later when you finally get it? Sounds like a bad business model.
Let's not forget folks: the movie industry is a business and art be damned if they can't even pay for the tools to make the art.
The only feeling "Let it Go" gave me was the feeling of my face going through a wall.
To me, it's more like giving a shock treatment for eternity.
And they cut the best song “get this right”
Wow never seen someone with over 200k subs get no likes or replies. I’ll change that.
That song was genuinely good, I feel like that one scene is better than most of the movie tbh
If you listen closely, you can hear the ghost of Walt Disney loading his conveniently-shaped Mickey Mouse glock and pointing it at the producers of the film.
He would never. Walt had a passion for animation, not money.
@@crownclowncreations Oh no, I'm not saying he wanted the movie to come out. I'm saying that he doesn't.
@@crownclowncreations he means he would shoot them if they released it rushed
@@eldoony Oh shoot! Sorry, my bad ^^' I totally misunderstod what you were saying.
Never thought I’d hear the words “Mickey Mouse glock” in that order but okay 👍🏾😂
*Ah yes,* The 5 Elemental Spirits: Fire, Earth, Air, Water and *Slightly Colder Water.*
Still better than Heart.
True
@@seb24789 ?
That's right and tog... Wait what, that's dumb. Why couldn't she be the Elemental spirit of Water since Ice is Frozen water.
@@seb24789 W.I.T.C.H.?
I will give Disney a pro tip that even the gaming industry uses all of the time: “Begin with the ending in mind, and, a polished, clear, proper story which gives direction and keeps the audience awe inspiring moments create a good and awesome movie, no matter if it is rushed or delayed, or no matter it has more emotion than the other, it will be good.”
My husband's takeaway from ten minutes of the Frozen documentary was that he would never want to get stuck behind Jennifer Lee at Starbucks. I have to agree. She seems like a nightmare to work with when the cameras are off. She even shot down one of the lower animator's ideas in the documentary (the one that recorded herself running in order to animate Elsa) and then immediately turned around and tried to claim the idea as her own. The responsibility falls back on her for not finalizing the story sooner and no delaying the release. The movie wasn't ready, plain and simple.
I love how they tried to make the film more adult and less kidy, then six months before the release added some more exposition and comedy to it, and that ladies and gents is how u make a mixed bag
Good point.
Edge and Funny don't mix if it's aimed at 9 year olds
@@Jevix-xl1tx it's not really edge, and you can mix if you put the time and effort into it.
@@rodrigomorales563 Too bad they didn't have time
Yeah this would've never happened if they had set a target audience from the beginning, if you want to make an animated movie for adults, then make it! Just don't try to appeal to everyone or you'll end up dissapointing everyone with the final result. Too serious and dark for kids, not deep or profound enough for adults, not to mention, too vague for anyone to care.
It’s sad that at this point Disney’s priority is money instead of true art.
I miss those days lol
And y’know.. sometimes I forget Walt Disney died so long ago..? Ya ever feel that way? Feels like he died in the 80s or somethin’. I guess they did a good job of keeping his spirit alive.
ًSomething with Bungalow he died in 1966
Some older folks I've been around have said "Disney died with Walt". The older I get, the more I see why they'd think that. Other than a few decent films in the 90s, their glory years were honestly over by 1970 or so. The films since then just don't have the same heart or quality for the most part (not to mention they mutilated the story of Pocahontas and The Hunchback of Notre Dame). Really unfortunate.
Yeah, I've been really disappointed with the recent movies, and it's not that there bad, designs are great, voice actors as well, the problem is that there's no originality, and it feels like their ideas are meh
Yeah, Disney executives during the Renaissance like Katzenberg and Weisner were 100% just about the art, and never money hungry in any way shape or form. 🙄
I think the idea of Disney actually treating their employees and production teams with respect and human decency is more of a fantasy than the world they create in their movies
You can´t create art under the pressure. Period.
While it's significantly harder to do so, it's not so clear cut. Majora's Mask and Toy Story 2 both had very troubled developments and came out to be incredible pieces of art.
when a company forces people to rush something, IT NEVER TURNS OUT WELL. ISN'T THAT RIGHT NICKELODEON
are you pointing at a specific Nickelodeon production?
Cartoon Network too
What are you guys trying to point out!?
HA! Have you heard about Sonic 2006?
@@deoxtroy7556 oh?
They should release the 'boring' cut of the film, I'd genuinely like to see how it could've been.
I agree.
They should release Frozen 2: 2 Twice, the DLC, Presequel.
@@derdrakkar Frozen 2.5: Re:mix 358/2 days Chain of Memories
Test screenings are like peer editing. What's obvious to you may not be clear to the reader and getting feedback can be helpful with that.
My favorite story was the test screening for the 40 Year-Old Virgin. The screening was recorded and would played back in the editing room. The crew would use the audiences laughter, and lack of, to determine which scenes to cut/trim and which ones to keep.
it wasn't so much boring as it was vague.
The one scene after the test screening where they rewrote and reworked a bunch of stuff after children couldn’t follow the story was very telling. It all seemed like they had a bunch of songs and wrote a plot around it
These kinds of situations are why, at least when it comes to giant companies, I never blame the workers, I *always* blame the higher-ups. As the big bosses on top have all the means to allocate more time, resources and effort to their workers, but usually *choose* not to.
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If anything I feel bad for the workers. The gaming industry is the same way.
Producer: we've never missed a release date and this is not gonna be the first
Disney points gun: your damn right your not. Click-Clack
*you're
@@brettwarren5976 haha
@@brettwarren5976 you're not wrong though
TOY STORY 2
There was no mention of it and yet I still read it in mickey mouse's voice
Hurts that there's a documentary not to the same detail for this but never for ratatouille.
omg i would love that
I whole heartedly agree.
Or any of their more popular movies
I mean, you could watch the dvd???
@@honeybee3269 Kids these days don't know the joys of physical media and the extra content it provides
This is why I hope Beyond the Spiderverse is delayed, art cannot be rushed.
It’s been delayed to 2026 I believe
@@cupio-stardust nice
Now I can't help but compare this to the first How to Train Your Dragon film, as it was suffering story problems pretty close to release date too, yet the outcome was so different. I haven't watched the Frozen 2 Documentary but I managed to track down the one made for httyd 1 so take this comparison with a grain of salt.
Apparently, the directors were only brought onto the project 14 months before the release date. The story was very different at that point, Toothless looked nothing like his final design. They had to throw a lot of finished stuff away because it was just not working for the story, but unlike Frozen 2, they made sure to hammer the story out until everyone was satisfied with it. And that meant when they did their first test screening the audience loved it and was even defending stuff to be kept in the movie (yes it was the foot).
Don't get me wrong, I think neither the Frozen 2 nor the httyd crew should have been rushed, as this industry already has a huge problem with unpaid overtime. But it does make me appreciate httyd all the more since even with the time crunch the crew took the time to listen to criticism and make the story the best it could be.
The httyd documentary is up on youtube btw, I really recommend watching it if you like httyd. They did it in a vlog style, so they managed to capture the moments of how some crucial story bits were born during the crew's brainstorming.
@@unicornbunny5439 I guess develop the story until it is the best version for the movie. I think one of the things httyd does really well is have a very clear narrative, everything in the movie is there for a reason.
I do recall the people behind HTTYD wanted to have a more faithful adaption of the books (Toothless being the size of a Terrible Terror, keeping the character designs, etc), but it just wasn’t working out. Having read the books and seeing the movie, I honestly think the franchise benefitted from that decision. I’m also glad Cressida Cowell (at least publicly) didn’t rag on DW for it and stuck around production. Her world is amazing, and so is the movie team’s.
I do remember reading that test screeners didn’t like how Toothless wasn’t there when Hiccup woke up after the fight with the Red Death, as it came across more of a “boy and his dog” story. So they added Toothless in and it just MADE the ending, especially the shot of them walking out together.
If the full documentary is out, I should try and watch it. I’ve wanted to know about “Rise of the Guardians” and “The Croods” (which had quite a few issues in its own production) as well, so maybe they’re also on the internet somewhere.
I found the HTTYD documentary for anyone else interested: ua-cam.com/video/vDsFQIWVfEQ/v-deo.html
@@jendoe9436 if you find a rise of the guardians documentary, _please_ let us know!
It’s kind sad to see that the documentary of Frozen 2 is Better then Frozen 2
Yikes
Healmore oof
It’s sad seeing all this talented people working in mediocre movies
Wtf?
S Queen yep
Disney CEOs in a nutshell:
Walt: We must work hard for perfect entertainment!
Eisner: We have to be hip for the kids, THEN we get payed!
Iger: H E L L O ! I L I K E M O N E Y !
Edit:Well! Whoopty God damn de do! 2.6k! Who's Ron Miller?
At least Eisner, in his ultimate goal of making money, acknowledged that in order to make money, the company must make good entertainment.
Ron Miller: I have no idea what I'm doing.
Riley Levine That’s why a part of me feels like the second Bob Iger became CEO is when Disney stopped being an animation company, and just became a corporation
@@MajinBoowomp And yet, Iger is hailed in the media as a business genius. All he did was buy some stuff and launch a streaming service. Almost ANY CEO could do that.
But buy Fox? They killed the Big Six and made it the Big Five.
It's actually really heartbreaking that a passion project that had to be rushed because the higher-ups wouldn't give them extra time ends up giving the impression that it's just another quick cash grab :(
0:13 I mean do you need anything else but Phineas & Ferb and Clone Wars XD
Bruh I just saw someone comment Avatar: The Last Snowbender and I'm laughing my ass off.
Same
Was it @L H that said it?
@@remyhavoc4463 yep
but everything changed when the fire spirit attacked
PFFFF... Dont be stupid, we all know Meelo is the only true snowbender
Disney's money-centric decisions will lead to their downfall. It's about making art damn it.
No, keep dreaming. It Will be 100 years until that happens
Disney CANNOT tell a story anymore, why do people think they've had to buy so much stuff? Pixar and Marvel are the only reason they're still relevant, and that maybe starting to run out. So, they bought 20th Century Fox.
For Frozen II, Disney had six years between feature-length installments. It was announced in March 2015, effectively four and a half years. Typically Disney films take five years in production from conceptualization to finish, though Frozen already did a huge amount of heavy lifting for the sequel by establishing characters, setting, and various assets. Four and a half years is ample time to get a sequel out, yet it ended up a clustercuss. The failure was in the script. Place blame where blame is due.
@@EyesWillRule but I think Jennifer Lee and the Lopezes was also stretched too thin. Remember, they also wrote the book and music for the Broadway show...and that's an even longer process than an animated film.
@@NairAthul The Lopezes perhaps as they also did Coco, but between "Frozen Fever" and Frozen II Lee wrote the screenplay to A Wrinkle in Time (bigger bomb than Solo) and the book to Frozen the Musical (which only got nominated for awards by default and closed before Aladdin). Considering A Wrinkle in Time was based upon a book already adapted multiple times to live-action and Frozen the Musical was a stage adaptation for a movie Lee wrote, it really wasn't too time-consuming. Television writers push out more scripts in a year than Lee has written in her lifetime. Considering screenwriting is Lee's only specialty, it shows how weak of a link she really is.
This is one of the reasons why Toy Story 4, Coco and Soul were such awesome films, they were given more than enough time, whereas Frozen 2 and the Incredibles 2 barely had any time and they ended up being mediocre
wow that's weird... i liked incredibles 2 and frozen 2. but don't like soul and toy story 4...
@@cowplusdog5655 At least you like Coco, my friend
@@settingsun5582 who wouldn't
Toy story four is great for the graphic, terrible plot wise
Toy story 4 is a questionable addition to this list but the others are great
As someone that works in the film industry I'll say this:
- There's never enough time
- There's never enough money
- Everyone's always stressed
- Everyone is constantly on the verge of burnout
- Everything's a fucking mess
No matter the size of the project this is true (in my experience), I've worked in small indie films and films with A-listers and it's always the same.
The producer looks like he's about to break in tears.
Right? He looks so sad and stressed. He needs a nap and hugs. All of them do.
to be fair, most producers look like that at some point during production lol
Like my director during production week.
when? yes
Not surprised at all that Disney never considered delaying. Large American companies are terrible in how they treat their workers
When you're owned by the shareholders, you have to do what the shareholders want. And what do they want? Profits. Now.
look at japanese ones
Oh yeah. Always blame the Americans
@@heatherilou Oh shoot those black companies man, they're so freaky. Looking at it from a completely animation standpoint, I think only KyoAni (hell yeah for their revival) has a reputation for actually caring about their employees. I don't know about other animation studios though.
@@nikkoa.3639 Black companies?
I think it would have been more enjoyable if the elementals were all people and Elsa learnt a lesson from all of them.
Fire-How to control your power to not respond to your emotions AKA self control.
Earth-How to control large amounts of the element you create AKA focus.
Wind-How to not let your power consume you AKA not being egotistical but also not being ashamed of yourself.
Water-How to adapt to different situations AKA creativity,
But then it would be like too many other shows, Avatar etc... that kind of plot should be a series anyway
@@naehalmulazim What’s wrong with being like other pieces of media? New ideas are always fun but there’s a reason some ideas are used a lot,they’re simply good ideas
@@birdmcturd1626 yes
wind is balance!
Long story short: They wanted the holiday money and it didn't matter if this means working everyone to exhaustion.
It honestly kind of sounds like this movie was built around the song Let it Go 2, aka Into the Unknown
I mean, "into the unknown" is basically the call to adventure in song form. You can't really fuck it up based on that as it's the point where the story barely started.
I guess I can see the logic since Frozen was rewritten because of Let It Go, as in Elsa was originally a villain, then the song made them change their minds so the story changed to suit that. Building the movie around a song worked for the first one... Except idk the first movie did still have the foundations when they decided to change things & personally I don't even like it aha
@@boyfriendkisser
The difference being that Into the Unknown, while a decent song, is fairly vague in subject matter. You could put it in nearly any adventure movie. It's a song that gets you excited because you know something is about to happen.
The lyrics of Let It Go are much more personal and specific to the character in question and acted as a turning point for her. Thematically it has much more in common with Show Yourself. It's the kind of song that gives a sympathetic look into the mind and heart of the character, which is why they rewrote her around it. It would have been fantastic as a villian song too because it would have made us understand where she was coming from and given the villain depth. Either way you go, it's completely tied to Elsa as a person.
The original Frozen was kind of built around Let It Go so that sounds like a good theory.
Those two songs don't have the same role in the story
The Animal Crossing time push back lead to perfect timing for it coming out
Oh yeah Doom
Yeah but it was still pretty half baked, its kinda just a multi-player diorama simulator where they have to add everything that was normally in the base game as dlc. Like it was super popular when it came out but now I literally know no one who still plays it. Like he said in the video, a bad game is bad forever. Remember pokemon go? It was the most popular thing when it released, there were literal businesses that had a team sign painted on the side of their store. After the hype peak its only played by people who are dedicated and beyond that no one speaks of it. So yes it was perfect timing but they still released a half baked game most likely because they had no pressure on their employees. WHICH ISN'T A BAD THING, but if you don't put expectations a delayed game will look just like a rushed game but with less glitches. Just like no man's sky and Pokémon go animal crossing has to release updates to keep the game interesting when cityfolk had the entire game on one disk at launch
@@Kolazola So well said! As a long-time fan of animal crossing, New Horizons was SUCH a disappointment. There's barely anything to do!! The amount of content is just such a step backwards, and I am not going to sit around and wait for seasonal updates. It's like they just gave us a couple sandbox tools for customizing more than we could before, but sacrificed the charm and everything that makes AC so lovely. I would LOVE instead of NH we had CF or NL with the graphics + quality of life of NH ):
Alina Pinto Alina Pinto the thing is, for past animal crossing games LIKE New Leaf it got popular when all of the updates had already been out, it didn’t start out with all the cool stuff and events it has now. People got spoiled when New Horizons came out and are now impatient for content, which is on the player, not Nintendo.
Noobmaster 69 I played New Leaf since it came out in America, and I can tell you it had PLENTY more content than NH does . Sure, the Amiibo stuff didn’t come until 2016 but the game was already super fleshed out at that point. There’s like, what, 12 special npcs in NH? And it’s been six months since release! ): just disappointing. Hopefully one day it’ll have a passable amount of content, but I don’t see why we have to wait nearly a year for that to come.
Honestly, the sisters are just as distanced as they were in the first movie, WHEN THEY WERE KIDS
Im currently studying animation and ngl it does feel like being held with a gun on your head... The deadlines man... Ngl im getting burnouts and reconsidering my life choices after only ±3 years studying animation.
But yea disney in the last few years seem to focus on making money :(
I have no idea about this, but maybe you could be an indie animator and be supported by things like Patreon and post on UA-cam? It definitely would pay less, but you would have less crunch and other cons that professional animators have to face. Although, depending on your circumstances it might just magnify he cons.
Idk man
@@markjefferson7737 Ah hello! sorry it took a while to reply your comment! I'm still in college right now (working on my thesis and internship)~ I'm recovering from my burnout, though I wanna take a break after I graduate to have fun more making the kind of arts I want to make.
If you want to enter animation, I'd say go ahead as long as you are passionate about it. Honestly, no matter what major you choose there will be obstacles to bring you down anyways. I'm still pushing through college cus even though I got burnouts, I still enjoy making art and animation. I'd be lying if I say college didn't help me improve.
I'm not as bright as my friends but the fact that I still enjoy doing art is enough for me to hold on... What happens during and after college is all up to you. Art is never an easy path honestly... but if its the road you choose then no one can stop you. Even if you ended up not taking animation major, it doesn't mean you can't learn about it on your own~ Just, think about it carefully and do what you think you should do.
I think Toniko Pantoja gave an explanation about choosing animation as ur career path. Maybe you can check it out if you haven't ! (Their channel give many animation tips too~)
@@jackjessop9527 Thank you for the suggestions! I am considering to make animation on UA-cam but I'm still thinking about it~ Honestly I think beginner animators will always be paid less unless their skills are top level or unless they got a promotion. Job openings in animation industry is pretty wide anyways so I'm still trying to find where I fit in. But yeaaa... who knows what the future holds ahahahhaha~
Thanks again for the thoughts. Much appreciated!
Disney have always had an abusive workload on their projects. They're a megacorporation whose priority is making megamoney. Pixar's been throttled by them way too long, and I wish they'd get freed somehow. There's lots of horror stories about how much Disney breathes down their neck and compromises their artistic integrity. I know Pixar got hired to do some animated trailers for Overwatch, and they acted like it was a miracle they were just told to go nuts and do what they wanted with it. I'm not even an Overwatch fan, but I watched those just for the animation, and they turned out great! Let them breathe, Disney!
wait which ones?
@@sujalshetty5986 The animated champion shorts.
Dude I thought of playing over watch because of those shorts, didn’t end up liking the type of game it was because I thought it was more story based, but I fell in love with the shorts nonetheless!
Whoa whoa whoa, Pixar did the overwatch trailers!?
@@C0LLID3D Yep!
Im still not over how much chemistry Christoff and the Forest dude have together
Its weird I am the only One who remember the name of the reindeer Guy was Ryder... Litterally everyone doesn't.
Did they?
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 I remember
I don't really know why people want to ship Kristoff and Reindeer Boi (Ryder) together. I always saw it as Kristoff finally managing to make a human dude friend with similar interests after being raised by rock trolls his entire life. And this isn't homophobic BS on my part either. I thought Elsa and that Northuldra girl had chemistry, I love the relationship between Marceline and PB in Adventure Time, etc. I just saw Kristoff and Ryder and platonic friends and that's it. Please don't massacre me in the comments.
@@philly_sports1558 Eh I disagree. I think they had chemistry. At least more than Anna who just seemed like a friend.
Disney took 5 years to make their next animated film, Raya and the Last Dragon, with lots of animators and writers making the animation even more gorgeous while also taking so much time and effort in their story, but it's actually the concept from now on. It makes sense to have 5 or more years to make a film rather to rush.
Learnt in English class that you’re supposed to write the climax first, and write everything else second. Disney did not do that :0
"It's probably a bad sign when the behind-the-scenes documentary is more consistently entertaining than the movie, right?" -James
Unpopuler Opinion yeah, I haven’t seen it but it’s probably better
Anything is better than Frozen 2
I thought this as soon as i finished. it made me appreciate the movie more, and i never outright disliked it. but it was so much better imo omggg i loved it
Which James?
I love behind-the-scenes. It's my favorite part of Adventure Time, and I would like to see more of Disney's process for such a sheer scale.
“We have no obligation to make Art. We have no obligation to make history. We have no obligation to make a statement. But to make money, it is often important to make history, art, a statement, or all three.” - Michael Eisner
I like that quote, but I don’t trust quotes on the internet. Do you have a source?
@@declaniii6324 don't worry, to avoid that, I always say "as someone once say"
@@declaniii6324 The book Disneywar: The Battle for the Magic Kingdom. He said this at a shareholders meeting.
Baconninja Eisner stated this in a memo back in 1981 when he was still working at Paramount, so when he moved on to Disney and brought his quick, easy, marketable ideology with him, much of the staff suffered. His ongoing struggle with Ron Clements and John Musker over The Little Mermaid and Treasure Planet is probably the best example of how dismissive he was towards creativity within the company.
@@projectanimation7730 It's not a coincidence that it was under Eisner that Disney began to produce a lot of direct-to-home sequels. Bob Iger's philosophy is to go big, create cash-grabs that don't feel cheap. That way you can make easy, reliable money while not degrading the Disney brand. That's why the direct-to-video sequels are out and now we get live action remakes.
7:47 "The filmmakers behind Incredibles 2 believe the time constraints on the sequel ended up making it a BETTER movie."
What?
Personally I think Anna deserved powers, she had to work hard for everything and ended up saving Elsa
Oh god yes Elsa doesn’t deserve the powers she ran away from her problems,ignored her sister and let Anna do all the work!
I know im almost a year late, but yeah no elsa is just a horrible person. she locked her sister out for like a decade?? then the first time she sees her in YEARS. she says hi, minutes after she RUNS AWAY. and then blah blah blah you know how it goes. in conclusion? Anna > Elsa
Anna is, imo, who kids should admire. Not Elsa. Elsa made ALL her problems. ALL of them. And by the time the first movie starts she's 21! What, you can't pull Anna aside and tell her what's going on? The fuq? And then Anna goes and looks for her sister, forgives her and then goes through all Elsa's narcissistic bullshit in the 2nd movie... *she* should have been the 2nd Disney Queen (Kida is the 1st, fight me Disney), not Elsa. Elsa is a stupid child.
@@IceQueen975 When I think about how she kick-slid Anna down the hill, and then I think about how they ballooned her powers more in Show Yourself, I'm just like "No, this woman does not make good decisions, she doesn't listen to anyone, pick someone else!"
And even if they don't want to give her powers cause of mix messaging, give her something else something good.
I propose maybe have Anna pick up martial skills. After the first movie have her be upset by how physically useless and naive she was. So she trained with the knights to fight. This includes hand to hand combat, sword fighting, and bows and arrows. Let her also build great perceptive skills, so that if anything goes down she will be ready, and can assess the next course of action accurately.
From training with the soldiers she shares in the conradery and becomes over protective of "her" people. This could create some conflict with the old crew about her hyper vigilence being unnecessary.
Anna could be the foil to Elsa's complete recklessness.
Also the deleted kristoff and Anna duet “get this right” 😭 that song was so good , and had more topics of their relationship and kristoff's true insecurities than are more realistic than what ended up in the film, lost in the woods still amazing but they could make both with a little changes
My little romance loving heart is saddened by this news.
anna proposing would've been so good
It was a very honest and adorable exploration of their relationship 😭 Wish they kept it instead of only giving Kristoff a meme song
Also in the movie anna doesnt give a crap about kristoff
They should've also kept the idea of having Arendale destroyed. It would've actually given meaning to the movie!
I'm sad that they still wanted to market the movie to kids when that was what the first movie did, and the kids of that movie had grown up, and were most likely ready for something more darker and mature!
When I first watched the trailer, I really loved how dark the sequel looked. It may just be because I like dark things, but the trailer made the sequel look epic and interesting, with beautiful visuals. I was not a big Frozen fan at the time but I was exited for all the big twists and turns it could take. Oh well. While I did enjoy the actual sequel, I was a bit disappointed with it.
That's what How To Train Your Dragon did. The first film and first TV series were more "kiddie" aimed, then the second film got darker for teenagers (along with the second series) and finally concluded it with a film for young adults.
@@thunderbird1921 Gosh, the HTTYD series was done phenomenally well! I saw the first in theatre when I was young, the second on DVD, and the last in theatre with my buddies. As soon as the end credits started rolling for the last movie, me and my friends bawled our eyes out, while none of the little children in the theatre did anything (since they didn't have as much sentimental value for the production). It was definitely because as we grew up, the characters grew up with us! Having it end in such a beautiful way really touched us, I'm just sad that Frozen didn't get the same treatment! I love both of the movies because I'm a fan of the songs, but they really missed out on making the series so much better by following what HTTYD did!
@@thunderbird1921 The Harry Potter movies too!
@@sunspotmill1291 Technically, Harry Potter was a book series first, so the movies follow him growing up because that's how the books were written. Same concept though.
4:00 - "let's hope the screening goes well itdidnotgowell"
THE SONG WITH ANNA AND KRISTOFF THAT WAS CUT IS SO GOOD ITS A TRAGEDY
“Nothing great was ever accomplished without making sacrifices.”
“This will be the sequel to Frozen forever.”
Shrek 3 would like to have a word with you.
HappyCamper DS99 I honestly buried that mess in the deepest parts of my mind to the point I don't remember it 😆.I honestly consider "Shrek forever after" as the true 3rd film in the Shrek franchise..
Not to mention Batman Forever... No doubt there will be a third film and maybe a tv series of Frozen.
@@ShanineJackman Didn't Forever After retcon 3 out of existence somehow?
Say it with me, kids. "That movie. Isn't. Canon."
I rewatched it and it's not as bad as I remembered
Alternative Title: Why the behind-the-scenes Frozen 2 Documentery is a cinematic masterpiece
I don't really like movies or tv in general but this was one of my favorite things I've ever watched! (And I hated frozen 2)
@Elalae La it's a Disney+ exclusive. There are six episodes, each of which are 45 minutes to an hour long. A lot of it won't make a huge amount of sense if you haven't seen frozen 2. Like this review describes, if you love frozen 2 I think this will help you understand why it was so great, and if you hated frozen 2 it provides a certain amount of insight as to why it was so bad (though I wish the documentary started earlier, it begins when they're animating which I assume is several months after the story is written).
@Elalae La you could try to find a bootleg version but for now it is legally only on Disney+. It's pretty new, maybe someday they'll release it elsewhere.
@Elalae La I was also really excited for Frozen 2! Frozen was one of my all time favorite Disney movies and frozen 2 is the only movie I've seen in theaters since the Lego Movie. I was pretty disappointed though- I felt like all the characters were really different from the first movie and the story had nothing to do with the setting, magic system, or character development from the original. But if you liked it, you can see just how hard everyone worked to refine the story and put together the beautiful animation.
5:10 - we’re autistic and struggle to hear vocal queues, but that strain came through crystal clear. We’re surprised Disney let that pass at all!
We?
@@spidermaster0543Possibly, there are multiple people using the account.
"show yourself" gives me chills every single time and is usually the only reason i watch the movie. i cant imagine it being left out
Crunch in animation is sadly the norm. Almost every animated movie has (unnecessary) crunch and worker rights are very weak in this field in particular
Ugh that's so awful. Disney needs to drink their worker respecting juice and maybe let unions exist
Naughty Dog and Rockstar, anyone? Their stuff is fine and it seems they desire money AND quality out of crunch.
@Ae U Hey, not against discussing crunch, herr.
@@fossilfighters101 disney would never allow a union to exist, especially with their history involving unions
I think a lot of it has to do with English animated pop culture films almost exclusively being made in the US where there are poor workers unions and artists in general have always had low wages, long work hours and poor labor unions
Lost in the Woods out of context:
Kristoff sends an armed battalion to remind her of his love.
da da da da da!
everybody!
You say, the price of my love’s not a price that your willing to pay
You’ll Be Back >>>>>>>>>>>> Lost In The Woods
@@ripcore5641 You cry, in your tea which you hurl in the sea when you see me go by
The voice seemed like it could’ve been a good setup for a villain. Luring Elsa to an isolated place, separating the sisters both physically and mentally by subtly driving a rift between them. It also makes more sense than “it was Elsa’s mother and she’s the fifth element: solid water”
Way back in the day I bought the DVD for The Emperor's New Groove. It came with a whole bunch of behind-the-scenes footage and commentary. What I learned from it was that in the late 90's, Disney animation was lost and had no idea how to make an animated movie anymore. Seriously, they started with a simple story and when they finished the end result was something that didn't even resemble the original concept. Somehow the movie was entertaining and fun but it made no sense and was a box office bomb. They were just flying by the seat of their pants, making stuff up as they went. I think the only thing that saved that movie was the amazing comedic timing. It is a funny movie.
I just want to see that animatic for Kingdom of the Sun that somehow got an executive to force a total rewrite. Emperor's New Groove is nice, but Kingdom of the Sun is something people deserve to judge for themselves.
Referring to Miyamoto's quote at 8:08, he definitely knows what he is talking about. Zelda: Breath of the Wild came out two years after it was supposed to and it did insanely well, and in undeniably an incredible game. It's beautiful, well constructed, and so thoughtful, you could tell the makers loved it as much as the players. That's what we need from Disney movies. They need the time to make it well and to allow their employees to have decent lives at the same time. That's what would allow them to make better movies than they have been recently.
botw is hands down the best zelda game imo. good mechanics, cool story, and the open world doesn't feel empty at all. 100/10
And for some reason Mario 64 was left untouched when everyone asked for a remake of the game, still Nintendo is my life.
Botw is a pretty standard Ubisoft formula open world game. You run around, do mission, clear camps and climb towers. I honestly don't see what's so groundbreaking except "it's Nintedno/it's Zelda!!!".
@@seb24789
I think it’s because of how it looks in the most part and other visual ascetics
@@seb24789 you haven’t played the game have you? :)
2:45 - Fun Gravity Falls Fact:
Originally, The Hand that Rocks Mabel was going to end with Gideon meeting a mysterious hooded figure. The idea was scrapped as the crew didn't know the identity of person and they didn't want to introduce a mystery unless they knew the answer to it.
Gravity Falls is such a great series. We need to aprecciate the work Alex and team put into it.
@@idkhow9603 *The best thing that Alex Hirsch and his crew created
Disney only produced it and hold the copyright, we should praises the songs for the actual creators of the media we consume, not the media companies
Dipper is in Frozen II. His voice actor is at least.
@Neptune @StarBot Yes you guys are correct Gravity Falls is actually Alex's work not disneys
A behind the scenes for gravity falls would be great.
I was so shocked that they didn’t even have a general outline for how the story would go, what the plot would be, ANYTHING, when they started. It really seemed like they just started with a few scenes they knew they wanted in the movie, and then cobbled together a story around it. AND IT SHOWS. I still watch this movie occasionally, I still LOVE the songs, and Elsa’s transformation scene gives me the feels every single time, but you definitely have to ignore a few aspects of the movie to enjoy it as an adult.
Like why are the elemental spirits so random? They should have all been represented as animals (like the water Nokk or the fire spirit), all humanoid beings (like the earth giants), or all just spirits that lacked physical form (like Gale). It also seemed like they didn’t all have the same intelligence level. Like they could communicate with Gale, the Nokk, and the fire lizard, but the earth giants were just mindless bridge-destroying devices. Also, I absolutely love the design of the fire lizard in the sense that he’s absolutely adorable, but it makes no sense that he’s just a random gecko. What do geckos have to do with fire? The water Nokk makes sense from a mythological standpoint because horses were created by Poseidon in Greek mythology, and there is a mythical creature that’s basically the same thing from other cultures. Cute fire gecko makes no sense.
Why were all the elemental spirits represented by singular beings except the earth giants? Is it a hive mind? Is there one “king” earth giant that can actually communicate with humans and we only get to see his mindless minions?
My biggest issue with this movie is the conception of the elemental spirits. It seems like it could have been so easy to make that part cohesive, but now that I think about it, the earth giants being what/how they are is a big plot device, and so is the fire gecko and Water Nokk. That’s probably why the spirits are so random. They were picked in order to fit the story they came up with around scenes they had already made. The scene with Elsa stuck trying to get across huge waves was made and released in a trailer long before they even knew exactly what was gonna happen after. They had to figure out how that fits into the story, so the water spirit being a horse she has to tame in order to ride it to Altahallan is what they did.
Disney animation studios has a weird way of making movies and it seems very counter intuitive to creating a cohesive story.
Schafrillas: "It's the Good Dinosaur's fault."
No, it's Disney's fault. They chose making profits for their shareholders over respecting the creative people they employ.
Both’s fault
@@MAR_abisal um isn't it Disney's fault for allowing good dinosaur to be released so yeah its Disney's fault.
@@joshuazhao9597
I said both
They’ve sadly never respected the creative people they employ, just look at Treasure Planet to see how their staff and their ideas are treated like dirt.
@@joshuazhao9597 hey Good Dinosaur not being allowed to release is a win in my book