Ibbo Mandaza, Political Analyst, Publisher & Convener of SAPES Trust In Conversation With Trevor
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- In this week's episode, Trevor sits with Ibbo Mandaza, Political Analyst, Publisher & Convener of SAPES Trust. They discuss the flawed 2023 election, the attack on SADC by the ruling party, why Zanu PF is crude on holding on to power and how President Emmerson Mnangagwa will sustain legitimacy after the SADC report. They also discuss the options available for the opposition, the purpose of the "Call For Political Settlement in Zimbabwe" Petition, the toxicity in the culture of Zimbabwe politics and many more....
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Dr. Ibbo Mandaza is such a wealth of knowledge. Its a pity we have never maximized on such beautiful minds as a country.
Trevor, you missed the point. CCC did us a favor by refusing a pre-arrangement with ED. The result, our issues are now well understood by the international community through various reports on how we handle elections. Please give credit where it’s due.
Most international community has known of our struggles and the cause for it for decades. I bet you're sitting in the diaspora because a person in Zimbabwe wants redemption from the suffering like now
No one across the political divide matches Ibbo's clarity of thought
This discussion was a very interesting one, 1 hour was like 10 minutes, I just wanted more & more😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Thanks Trevor
Great show Trevor. Thank you so much for bringing Professor Mandaza on!
It's a pitty SADC leaders are part of the self-serving cabal that leads Zim, hence their indifference to this. To add insult to injury Mnangagwa has now appointed his children to the cabinet.
We need a sea change of Leadership at SADC level (except in Zambia & Lesotho where this appears to have already taken place) for us to see the required response to this nonsense behavior. I pray that my country RSA is the next to experience such change in next year's elections.
Great interview Trevor and Ibbo. A couple of points :
Trevor, to make out that the opposition and Zanu PF are both to blame for violence is misleading. Go back to the hundreds killed and brutalised by the State in previous elections. There is no comparison.
Ibbo, to suggest that Mnangagwa should head a transitional government sounds like madness. Have we learned nothing ?
Why is Nelson Chamisa not given real credit where it is due ? He has done incredibly against the odds . In my irrelevant opinion the actual vote and support showed that he reflects a massive connection with peoples hopes for change.
Thank you gentlemen.
Respectfully
Larry Norton
Dr Ibbo, if Chamisa didn't participate, the Madhukus would have participated and endorse Zanu PF. Isn't thats so?
True.
As for me Chamisa and Co dd a splendid job!
Dr Ibbo Mandaza is an oasis of knowledge whose contribution to our nation & SADC region must be celebrated.
Brilliant mind Yu brought in there. Am however confused by yo narrative that Chamisa is doing for himself. We at this point now bcoz the young had the guts to take on the regime against all odds. Honestly fellow countryman can't we be grateful and offer support and encouragement to one of our own trying his best????
I was also shocked by Trevor's assertion, with the way he campaigned countrywide and coming out the winner (though stolen) despite the obstacles. Then an old man says he is not happy with Chamisa, he smoked something I think. Among all the opposition candidates you just target Chamisa how about Madhuku, Mwanzora etc.
Indeed. What about Mwonzora and Maduku? Trevor said nothing!
This is a real professor, a man who knows and thinks through his ideas before he talks. Well done Dr Mandaza
Did you not learn anything from the COVID pandemic. Follow the money.
Mr Mandaza is a respected man. Dignified gentleman.
First guest never to be asked , where he was born and how he grew up,the schools he went to...etc
I had never pay much attention to Dr Ibbo, but this interview made me understand this man better, he is really a well of knowledge. I salute you Dr
I await for part 2 of Prof Mandaza. I feel that there is more that we can milk from the professor
either way; there would have been criticism for Advocate Chamisa, to participate or not to participate in the 2023 elections
He did the Good thing to participate. The man is working tirelessly
Trevor stop saying leading statements to ibbo, we all know you hate Chamisa
Interview bias... some of those questions spoiled what could have been a very educative interview.
The right generation is now engaging in conversations about pertinent issues - I have hope we are now at a juncture we are building the Zimbabwe all patriots are crying for - let's keep the conversations and critical dialogues going.
Thank you Trevor for your beautiful show.l suggest Nelson Chamisa should be invited if he is willing to clear all the accusation and all names that has been labeled against him and the public will be the judge of that .
Has Chamisa ever been invited?
@@samgidds he has never been invited that's why l am enjoining Trevor to invite the gentlemen so that what ever he accuse Chamisa of, He will then be able to respond
True he should invite Chamisa
53:56 I am a young professional with 3 years industry experience now, I have tried staying in Zim because i love my country, but now i have decided to leave the country for good
Thanks Trevor, folks like Ibboh, John Makumbe et al should be celebrated for the great work they did to the nation.
and Masiphula Sithole
@@kwazinkosisibanda1287 exactly
Thank you Trevor , and Ibo for clarifying issues that are causing us to retrogress instead of progression of all Zimbabweans, keep up the good work. the struggle for a better Zimbabwe continues . Our fathers, mothers, brothers, uncles, aunties, sisters died for our freedom inside and outside Zimbabwe. Many of these opportunists, who are the ruling elite never fought for our liberation, let the truth be told. The really liberators most of them are dead and only a few remain . These true liberators did not die for a few , but for the majority and to eliminate poverty. Enough is enough these opportunistic people must go , taneta vanhu vedu vatambura .
On a serious note elections were a waste of resources. ED wants to take power by force but refuses to take responsibility when it comes to matters relating to incompetence and poor governance. Like always he will continue blaming sanctions. Zimbabwe is now Zanu PF's private property.
Ibbotson Joseph Day Mandaza is an eloquent and progressive academic
NAT has to lead for 10 years to review and amend all our laws,institutions, economy etc and hold elections in the 11th year
Legitimacy is key. The nonsense of yesteryear is fast becoming unpopular and you risk isolation as the world modernizes. If you choose dictatorship path better be benevolent one and development oriented like Singapore founding path. If you can’t then vacate. All people cry for in Zim is a government focused on progress in healthcare, education, water and electricity provision, infrastructure and not obsession with power retention. I’d guarantee that if they focused on real development nobody will be bothered about them ruling 1000 years.
I laughed at the "I was fired through you" statement 😂😂 2 great minds met!
Not what we expected as far as the situation in Zimbabwe currently. Also the bias from the journalist. Openly showing that he doesn't like Nelson Chamisa
Thank you Trevor for this important and timely interview with the esteemed Dr Ibbo Mandaza. Dr Mandaza is a true patriot and logical thinker. He has great insight into the Zimbabwean political landscape. We pray for that great turn around of a great country that deserves better than the current crop of primitive leaders who are continuing to destroy the soul of the country.
I love your production but this is tremendous so to speak. It's somehow full of intelligence and maturity which lakes from the so called government leadership and judiciary. It exposed the greenness of H.E and his shortfall in discipline. Exposing selfish style of government. Reduces what foolish ideology preached to citizen in the rural areas who unaware of the practicalities of the ideas. Those rural folks are unaware of how they can pursue accountability. Keep us informed and i thank you
Interesting conversation but what is sad is the level.of accusations that Chamisa continues to receive. The young man has not been in charge of the government and yet he has been declared as toxic, power hungry, you name it. Can we for once stop this nonsense. Trevor was struggling to steer the conversation to slug Chamisa at every opportunity, yet these are the same people talking of nation building, democracy, inclusivity etc .
Sad
I'm all for change, don't mind NTA but the people driving it are not clean themselves....just my thoughts..
Trevor, your hatred for Chamisa and opposition is so glaring, you spoiled a good interview by such.
Trevor we know yiu hate chamisa you can stomach it that chanisa can be your president yourself you must stop hating other people I don't know what chamisa dis to you to hate him like that .
He is such a pathetic tribalist
I think ed doesnt care about people think, if he did he would have acted some way. I think he is going to run his term and probably get another .
But we have also seen technocrats like Mtuli Ncube joining the madding crowd. What difference will it bring to have more technocrats in gvt. We know the big elephant in the room and doesn't want to cooperate with other players. On a further disappointing note, Travor stop hating Chamisa. You're talking of a toxic politics but you seem to be driving ahead that toxicity.
Dr Mandaza is one of the greatest intellectual legend on the African continent ....his contribution to the geopolitical landscape of Zimbabwe is immeasurable...he is a fearless freedom fighter...
We are in the Diaspora please inform us where we can find the petition. We want to sign it too.
Opinions may differ, personally I feel it was good that Chamisa participated in the elections, and the key outcome is that he exposed the incompetent Pfeerorists to the world ....😂
Great Interview but Trevor should desist from being biased against victims of political heists in Zimbabwe. What is his issue with Nelson?
Good to listen to intellectuals very addifying. If ZBC was like this surely l'll be the 1st to tune in. God bless Trevor 😊
Really infomative and educational especially for those of us who are so isolated out here . There is indeed hope .
The man is well informed
I really enjoyed this conversation. However, I would like to disagree with Ibbo Mandaza and Trevor's view that it might not have been a good idea for Chamisa to enter the election.
If Nelson Chamisa and the CCC had boycotted the election, it would have been judged as credible, free, and fair by SADC observers, leaving Chamisa and the CCC out in the cold. This is because Zanu PF would have contested the election with only a few small and insignificant parties that would not have joined the boycott. Consequently, Zanu PF might not have felt the need to resort to tactics such as voter intimidation by FAZs, ballot paper delays in urban areas, or the suppression of smaller Maduku rallies. In this hypothetical situation, the Zimbabwe Electoral Commission (ZEC) could have operated with exceptional transparency, presenting credible figures to demonstrate that President Mnangagwa and Zanu PF had indeed secured a fair victory. All these repressive tactics were employed specifically to prevent CCC from winning and thereby inadvertently exposing ZEC and Mnangagwa's regime to the election observers. Again, without CCC, the ZEC would have conducted a credible election in the eyes of observers.
Thanks gentlemen, there is hope when such minds speak out in the mids of the chaos. Please provide the link to sign the petition.
Joe Mutizwa, Strive Masiiwa and Ibbo Mandaza must be made Presidential advisors. We need such voices to us to move forward as a country.
Which president
Chamisa
It's nice too see our speaking the truth fearlessly and boldly about the affairs of our country. Such honest conversations are the key to the future that we hope for.
Really enjoyed this one. Probably the best episode. Thanks so much for inviting Ibbo
Trevor this is probably the best interview I have heard about zim ...you nailed it
Dr. Ibbo Mandaza speaks openly about this runaway country and the politics thereof. Change has been long overdue in Zimbabwe. The way forward now is going to be the most painful one.
What an informative conversation; let's hope things pen out as you gentlemen are suggesting.
Trevor, your programme is superb. You bring personalities like Ibbo who expose the other side of news that the ordinary person in the street may never know. Keep the good work and God bless. Heads up to Ibbo and Sapes Trust
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otrwit
Great stuff. Thanx Doc. l Stand with the idea of a transitional government with all the components you explained. Great analysis.
It's quite impressive to hear elderly people like Ibbo. Mandaza telling it as it is their wickedness no words can really explain munangagwa and his crew they are evil very evl very very evil devastating
I beg to differ Prof Mandaza :Going on the streets is not a Chamisa thing but a mass action that involves all citizens. I see the CCC in a tight corner,the masses are not willing for mass action out of fear but expect Chamisa and his supporters to free them.
I dont think Chamisa wants to be in power, we are just forcing this on him 46:23
Thanks Trevor and Dr Ibbo.
I don't agree with you where you propose Emmerson should lead the coalition. Emmerson should only be a passenger, if he has to be there. Giving him power is not a good idea as he is likely to mess up things.
Like the man said ' we need to write more'. And this goes to all Zimbabweans out there because the travesty of what we are going through should never be repeated and we can only do that if we are aware of what was going on at the time.
We have so many out of Zim , bcoz Zimbabwe leaders don’t know how to keep its people for better future for everyone . Till today many have gone out for greener pastures .
Till now in Zimbabwe internet and google service are so bad yet other countries like SA are way much ahead.
What we call new to Zimbabwe, to other countries they have done it long time/years years back.
Simple thing like Digitization they cant. Zimbabwe is a failed nation. 💔
Not participating was not the answer (Munangwagwa was going to put his porn opposition parties which was going to easily legitimize T
Him very very easily
You are great man Ibbo
Great listening to Dr Mandaza, but I disagree with you Trevor on 45:10 when you say “if you really love Zimbabwe you can’t be happy with what Nelson Chamisa is running his thing”! Why shouldn’t we? No one is perfect, but we want a first step forward! Chamisa is the only first step, that’s why you spoke only about ZANU and CCC! If you can’t be happy with the first step then you will never move. I think he even had a better understanding of the situation than you because after the coup you supported ED when many of us including Chamisa understood that it was only “chinhu chavo ” and no miracles to expect from the old man who had been in government for 37 years then! At 57:30, how can you equate the cruel machine in ZANU PF to the opposition? Where do you take that from? Do you really know what happens on the ground in rural communities? I am happy Dr Mandaza on that point stressed that this is “more on the state side”, I think he just played it down not to jolt you. I sense an underlying hatred, or condescending view of Nelson Chamisa in you, that’s my take.
There are credibility issues with this Ibbo Mandaza creation, which will make it still born. Ibbo is a bitter ex. He regards the Zanu government as a dictatorship but is ok with Chamisa' dictatorship. Chamisa runs a dictatorship. Secondly, when you bring in the transitional authority, Zanu will still have the upper hand because of the army. There is no guarantee that FAZ, a civic body like all the other civic bodies sprouting up in Zimbabwe at election time, will not be there, with a different name, to help Zanu back to square one. Is the transitional authority going to disband the army? Thirdly, why are there no cranes in Harare and no investment? Let us not pretend guys, is this Not what MDC/CCC wanted? Are sanctions and all the negative publicity about Zimbabwe not designed to drive away investment and "force regime change"? Why has Standard bank been fined millions of dollars for transacting with some entities in Zimbabwe. Why is it difficult for Zim banks to have correspondent relationships with banks abroad? How does the Zim govt organize a fake, 'free and fair election" when its own hands are tied to its back?
The whole Zimbabwe election charade is meant for an opposition win and Ibbo and gang actively do Everything possible to make the opposition win. How then does Ibbo turn around, with a str8 conscience, on the other side, proposing something neutral as if He is?
His own duplicity and tone deafness is very loud. Even Chamisa himself mistrusts him, never mind Chamisa's cordial poker face. Zanu PF Does not?
Nothing Ibbo proposes will come to fruition because Zanu will not accept and if they fake a warmness to the idea, the transitional authority will only to be used as a pressure reliever. Like I said, Zanu will not accept any material changes to the army standing, where the source of their power lies.
Ibbo is a great academic. He has great ideas. He is a Patriot. But he is Not an impartial man in this thing. Far from it. He is better off outsourcing his ideas because Zanu PF can see through this.
His energies are actively spent trying to unseat Zanu PF. All the energies he is expending, talking to "people" in the region, all have one goal. He needs to be honest with himself.
In addition, Biti, Coltart, Chamisa etc have all travelled to Washington DC to lobby sanctions and bring about Jambanja in Zimbabwe, (an ungovernable state of affairs, a Kenyan model MDC adopted).
How then can they and their supporters, including Ibbo, expect to see plenty of cranes and plenty of new investment in Zimbabwe?.
MDC/CCC made this Jambanja, scorch earthed policy bed. They must Own it!
It is time for CCC to lobby hard and sincerely to their sponsors to remove the rope on Zimbabwe's neck, and join the re-engagement train, then get to work in Parliament to improve the legislative side of things, including electoral laws that Mumba had no right to criticize.
Afterall, CCC have taken up their "fairly won " seats in Parliament! LOL
How then can they turn around and accept a circumvention of the People's voice? The donkeys have bolted!
From what I hear from Ibbo, I think if NC or RMT had taken advice of this NTA, the country would have been somewhere. We can't destroy Zanu Pf from outside. Prof J Moyo said we can only destroy Zanu Pf from within.
Sad reality of 'blood on street' requirement for quicker move to a National Transitional Authority.
23rd Aug was a shitshow of epic proportions, ZEC ought to be disbanded
A beautiful prosperous & free Zimbabwe is good for everyone, hope to live to see that day
Thanks Mr lbho for telling the truth
Mnangagwa must never be near the leadership of the Transitional Authority the whole process will be poisoned and eventually crumbling to nothing but a shame .
One of the greatest shows i have ever watched on your platform Trevor
The only sad thing is that all you two Trevor and Ibbo at one time worked for the regime and Zanu PF. You sustained these systems through bogus media purporting to be independent media. Its a disgrace, and it’s disgusting. You are now realising kuti Chaora chinhu ichi but the country is gone, completely gone its not Mnangagwa Republic!
Great talk!
Sadly, such candidness can be a death sentence if you a Tom, Dick or Harry, in Zimbabwe.
Trevor your show is good but you are a bit biased against CCC.
I think we need Part 2 Trevor, we didnt hear much of how Ibboh came to be what he is, his thought process etc
True
I am very much concerned the way Trevor lays ‘blame’ on Chamisa and put him at the same level of Mnangagwa on bad leadership. This is so gross and disgusting Trevor. It seems you are just jealous of what Chamisa has achieved at that age and you know what’s coming if he takes over leadership! Remember you have said Chamisa doesn’t attract you as a ‘mature voter’ in the past. You are a group of the old guard who wants the country to go down in the hands of old fossils! Please move on, your time is past let the young and vibrant takes over!
Great insights from ibbo. I just don't understand why Trevor takes every available opportunity to express his hatred for Chamisa. Its sad. This is the kind of mentality that will put us in a drag for long.
Ibbo and Trevor you taking the bull by it’s horns telling the truth hopefully the people in ZANU PF will understand
why did it take him so long almost 43 years to talk honest politics, he should have all these things during Mugabe's rule and would have done the nation a favour as an objective political analyst. But it was noble for Trevor to bring him under public spotlight
Have learned something from the PROFF from just the way he speaks
What an insightful conversation with Dr Mandaza❤🇿🇼🇺🇸
Very good discussion. What I don’t like Is Trevor’s beef with Chamisa and opposition. It shows how true it is when they say a leopard 🐆 cannot change its skin spots!
Good wisdom from Ibbo, Trevor gaslighting on Chamisa shows that the guys has some hatred for the young man! Heal Trevor.
Let me hope it's not the love for Chapman which you're trying to instill in Ibbo?
We are entering a global economic era whereby no country will survive without regional integration. Zim keeps on creating new enemies and further isolating itself.
I am impressed by this whole show. The breath and scope is amazing. But as l write, my concern is how to upend my signature on the petition going round.l need to sign it yesterday.
I am impressed by this whole show. The breath and scope is amazing. But as l write, my concern is how to upend my signature on the petition going round.l need to sign it yesterday.
To my thinking the 2yrs you said dambudzo had proposed to ccc did dambudzo really wanted to surrender or that his intention was to get rid of Chamisa even before the two year period
Very informative conversation, but ED is going nowhere comrades - why would he want to leave in two years so that once he leaves you guys can chase him and the wealth he stole? This GNU talk is just a rouse, that man intends to collapse Zimbabwe and his henchmen will support him because the benefit grossly from the situation. Just a final note, just like ED knows, Chiwenga also knows he is not electable and therefore force and violence will be the only way to govern.
Very informative our country needs you guys
This man (Ibbo)is resourceful and heavily linked yjooo
A transitional with technocrats is the way to go. Zim needs people who are allowed to spearhead policies on meritocracy not partisan. We have a lot of big brains who can take our country out of crisis
Trevor was trying so hard to get a nod from the good Prof that Chamisa is power hungry. I’m glad the Prof didn’t entertain that😅
Interesting discussion Ibbo....Trevor can improve on the issue too much leads and visible hate of people who are not part of the discussion.
Just becareful Ibbo, Mnangagwa is a bloodthirsty murderer he might poison you. We still need you bro.
What will happen to Zimbabwe when people like Mandaza leave this earth, people with cool heads visionary leaders
Ibbo Mandaza, great mind... but needs to work on his health. We need him around.
Ibbo is mature and progressive unlike the other who hates certain political leaders with a passion yet he wails about toxicity
Insightful interview 📌. Thank you 🙏
Normal thinking person won’t make a deal with a crocodile
Thank you Mr Mandaza for handing in our Petition to SADC chair and Mr Trevor,Thank you for sneefing around for all this information
One of the most informative shows ever broadcast on this channel. Please provide link to sign the petition!!
What surprise me is as Zimbabwean we waiting for an outsider to tell us to put our house in order what a shame
Zanu pf is joke l dnt knw wht kind of wind do thy smoke when thy did their rigging plan
Great interview a lot to digest and think... VaMandaza a great mind indeed