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He was a REAL Marine Corps Drill instructor who was on set as a the military advisor. The Director used him to replace the actor that was going to play the Drill instructor. So his lines were largely his own and not scripted.
The original actor still got a role though - he was the Door Gunner on the chopper.
The rest of the actors never knew what was going to come out of Ermey's mouth. He never repeats himself, new insults for every take.
Bob Ross was a Drill Instructor
@@dontbstingy3587 so?
Bob Ross swore that when he got out of the military he would never raise his voice again. He said he hated having to yell at people.
Fun fact. Hartman was a real life drill instructor. That's why he plays his role so well in the movie
Marines use the term "Drill Instructor". The title of "Drill Sergeants" belong to the Army.
@@seasickviking my bad, I am not all familiar with military terminology
I concur with @@seasickviking. US Army has DS’s while Marine Corps has DI’s.
@Seasick Viking Yes thank you for the correction. We Marines tend to get UPSET when we are called either a soldier or Drill Sergeant. We are Marines and Drill Instructors
@@Chystyle Semper Fi brother. Never call us soldiers lol. NEVER FORGOTTEN USMC
My dad was in the Marines at the same time this movie takes place and he said the boot camp was the most accurate he had seen in a movie.
Yup i have fam and guys who I worked with who are now retired they said back then boot camp the drill instructors would back hand you or slap you, punch you in the stomach if someone f****** up. Now days they can't put there hands on anyone.
@@goochdawg I could never put up with this. I'm too arrogant and too opinionated. Yet, if you are going to train men to fight in a war you'd better toughen them up. Break them down to work as a team and then build them up again. It is insanity that you are training people to get shot at and kill yet the modern way is to go soft on them. A punch in the stomach is not over the line.
@@danwood4171 All.om saying is now days no drill instructor can put there hands on anyone in boot camp anymore.
I was a Navy brat growing up. The Navy and the Marines are related. We lived on a Marine air base in Hawaii when I was a teenager. So now imagine you are a 14 year old boy who wants to date a Marine's daughter. You WILL be tested and interrogated about your intentions. Normal kids dont know how easy they have it. Military kids are a whole different breed. I wouldnt change my childhood for anything. Its nothing but good memories. The speech Hartman makes on graduation day about every Marine being your brother. Its true for all aspects of the military, including the kids.
My cousin who was in the Marines said the same thing.
Movies like this are good because they show a more realistic version of war. It's not action and glory. It's tragedy and trauma. Those who don't experience it firsthand can never truly understand, but this can allow them a glimpse.
Sadly she is way too privileged and ignorant to react to serious topics like war.
@@svenpoletka5236 yep, she is too dumb for these type of movies
@@peterhz6 Please don't call her stupid, that is way out of line and she has the ability to learn!
@@svenpoletka5236 But she is informed to the level to call men useless.. That way we get the woke message and let the men die in war. (satire warning, don't delete the messenger).
It's corruption and brainwashing.... old men and women who can't physically fight sending other people to fight their battles....slavery has never gone away...it just got more clever
"How could you shoot women and children?"
"Easy. You just don't lead them so much."
I love this film. Usually I watch this with Clint Eastwoods Heartbreak ridge. I just love the creative insults Marine Corps Sargeant throws in those films. Vicent D’Onofrio is just incredibly as private Pyle.
"You can run, me you can starve me. You can beat me and you can kill me. Just don't bore me"
Love Heaetbreak Ridge
I'm not fan of Heartbreak Ridge. Eastwood's character performance was the only thing good about that movie. All of the other crap was laughably stupid, unrealistic garbage.
I think everyone who's been in the military has known a Private Pyle. Someone that doesn't pick up on things like everyone else. You try to help them, and it doesn't help. You try peer pressure, and it doesn't help. You give them time, and in that time they are a constant liability and risk to everyone's life. In the end, you hope they get sent away before something terrible happens. I remember watching this as a teenager and thinking it was funny, but confusing. Now when I watch it, I sort of stare off into space. It's a movie, but there's so much uncomfortable and haunting truth in it.
It's because he was the prototypical 'wrong person, in the wrong place at the wrong time'.
He had no business being a soldier. He made a mistake enlisting and he became trapped in a situation he saw no way out of.
To me the whole first half of the movie is an indictment of the Army as an insitution, for its failure to select the right people for the job (assuming they exist) and to figure out who has to be weeded out because he is not mentally or behaviourally fit to be a soldier.
Hartman fails at his job by not being able to figure out that Leonard is getting mentally unstable because of all the abuse. He is so focused in trying to turn him into a soldier that he is blinded to the simple reality that Leonard should never have been there in the first place.
And for that mistake both of them pay with their lives.
@@leonardofacchin1452 Pyle was drafted, he didn't enlist. And the military doesn't care if you're fit for the job. Everyone is just cannon fodder to them.
@@leonardofacchin1452 it's the Marines, not the Army. If you can't bother to see the trees you're also going to miss the forests.
Also, there was a program in the 1960s to fill out the draft numbers by getting actual mentally retarded boys into the military. Secretary McNamara actually thought training videos and filmstrips and other modern teaching methods would bridge the mental gap. It didn't. And so boys with the mental capacity of a child were sent into combat and got themselves and other around them killed.
Forrest Gump was real for many boys.
@@jeffmurray1681 He wasn't drafted.
@@leonardofacchin1452 It's not the army depicted in the film, but maybe you mean an indictment of the military itself. I think Hartman's job was to take whomever they sent him, break them down and then build them up into killers. Look into "McNamara's morons" if you're interested in the use of low IQ soldiers during Vietnam. Guys who would have trouble tying their shoes.
23:11 Yes they did. The entirety of South Vietnam was being forced under rule of the north. China and Russia were funding the north with munitions, training, and raw material to fight the United States - Which people always seem to forget was the whole point. We were fighting a half dozen similar wars from the end of the 50s into the early 80s to keep Communism from amassing too much financial power.
When the withdrawal occurred from Vietnam in the late 70s many Southern Vietnamese were begging to be evaced too because the Communists had their names, and were plotting (and indeed DID) to execute their entire families.
That's about how it was. I served 20 years in the Marine Corps and two combat tours in Vietnam. The first tour as a machine gunner (0331) in 1965-66 and the second as a Platoon commander (0369) in 1970-71. I retired after 20 years and had a 30 year career as a California police officer ( Marin County). What I learned in the Marine Corps has helped me all my life. I highly recommend it to anyone needing direction and wishing to learn self discipline .
Tom Boyte
GySgt. USMC, retired
Bronze Star, Purple Heart
Your service to your country and community are appreciated, sir. Both as a Marine and as a LEO. 👏🎖🏅
Oorah, Marine! Thank you for your service to our nation.
Semper Fi old corps
I love that Kubrick gives you two movies for the price of one - first you have them moulding ordinary kids into mindless killers, then seeing the reality of what that killing, and being killed, does to them.
My man, not only is your formula as deep as it is concise, but your nickname superposed with FMJ just put my mind on warp drive!!!
Something like...
"Supreme execution power derives from a mandate from clear and present danger, not from some farcical ceremony of weaponized sexual education leading to a delusional sense of self, god and country"
Marines are not mindless killers, we are professional shock troops. We need to always be thinking and fast on our feet. It is a profession, just like whatever job you have back home it is the same. You need to be skilled with multiple weapons systems, levels of mathematics, communicating with multiple cultures and languages, physically fit, medically trained, and be able to problem solve on the fly. If we were mindless killers nobody would ever fear fighting us because anyone would be able to outsmart you.
The tough training helps them survive in combat.
I bet Joker never imagined his first kill would be a teenage girl.
During the Vietnam war, there was a draft, so many people who never would have volunteered were serving. However, joining the Marines was voluntary. He could have joined the Air Force, Navy or Army. Joining the Marines was especially challenging. The actor who played the drill instructor served as a Marine drill instructor. I believe he retired from the Marines as a Staff Sergeant, but due to this role, he was given the honorary rank of "Gunnery Sergeant."
During Vietnam the Marines had to use the draft until 1970 when they couldn't reach their quota. At the induction center sometimes you would count off even and odd, and some Sgt. would say odd numbers, you are in the Marine Corps now. Some guys would actually cry when they found out. In a two year hitch you were infantry, Artillery, radio operator, sometimes tanks, but the good MOS' went to 3 and 4 year guys.
It's a myth that the marines were always an all-volunteer service. During vietnam, USMC recruiters went to Army induction centers to "volunteer" draftees and make their quotas.
Vincent D'Onofrio deserves a lot of credit in his first movie performance. In a scene filmed prior to Pyle's Left/Right confusion, the scene where Joker gets slapped around for denying the Virgin Mary by Hartman was unimpressive by Kubrick as it looked obviously fake. When the left/right scene came up for filming, D'Onofrio (Pyle) told Ermey (Hartman) to hit him for real, which he did. The effect certainly came up as impressive.
This movie was based in part on the novel "The Short-timers" by Gustav Hasford. He wrote it based on his own experiences in Vietnam.
You might try "Danger Close" which is about an Australian unit in the Vietnam War.
great movie!
My father enlisted in the Marines in 1965. He had the misfortune of smiling at the DI as well, and apparently back then yes they were allowed to hit you. He went on to serve two tours in Vietnam and twelve years in the Marines total.
The war was not “popular” because it didn’t have a lot of support back home, unlike WWII. Because this was the first televised war, people saw the true face of war for the first time.
Regarding your statement of, “they didn’t ask you to help them,” technically yes they did. More specifically, the government of South Vietnam asked the USA to intervene when North Vietnam first invaded, so in 1958 we started sending in advisors and weapons to help the South Vietnamese. It wasn’t enough, so we started sending in soldiers.
Animal Mother said Joker shooting the sniper was “hardcore” because Joker looked right into someone’s eyes and shot them. It was up close and personal, unlike any other killing they had done.
If you would like a less confusing but still insightful Vietnam movie, I recommend “We Were Soldiers” also I highly recommend a TV show called “Tour of Duty”
The tern "popular war" that you were wondering about is a referance to the popular support behind any given war. The support back home was in the basement with protests and riots over it constantly. An example of a "popular war" for america was WWII. Once pearl harbor was bombed there was no hesitation from the populace anymore about getting involved and stopping Japan and Germany.
The first gulf war was also "popular". It was a war of liberation with support from the international community and it was short, to the point, had low coalition casualties, and was conclusive (as far as liberating Kuwait was concerned.)
In 1968 one could buy a pair of work pants and matching shirt for $2.80. Two woman's Summer dresses for $5. So, $10 was a bit of money back then.
Too young to be in Vietnam, but the vets say this is about as accurate as it gets.
It was our birthday 11 days ago. 10 November 1775. Happy birthday my brothers and sisters. Semper Fi
As for the "prayer" with their M14's, they were reciting part of the Rifleman's Creed, Ermey was a DI with the Marine Corps, the "catchy" songs are cadences, the Parade Deck was the same then as it was in 2017, the old 3rd Battalion barracks are pictured in the movie (new 3rd Battalion recruits have a LEED Platinum barracks located directly across from the bleachers on the South side of the Parade Deck.
Lee Ermy (the Marine DI) was originally brought on as an advisor, but Kubrick watched him improvise his insults and asked him to take over the part. He actually ended up replacing the original actor for that part, who was the chopper gunner who famously says the way top shoot women and children was to "just not lead 'em so much." And might I recommend you check out Das Boot, the greatest WWII movie made (with my apologies to Private Ryan fans)
He’s a Gunnery Sergeant which is a pretty high enlisted rank. Privates, Sergeants etc are enlisted & Officers example Lieutenant, Captain, Major & of course the General ranks command the enlisted soldiers.
Pyle is played by Vincent DiNofrio, who you may know as also the bad guy alien in Men in Black and Kingpin in Daredevil. He is an awesome actor.
The abuse recruits are given was used to tear down ego and self, so the entire platoon would operate as one unit. Not nearly as bad these days but still goes on to an extent. This includes the illegal abuse of the recruits wrapping soap (sometimes locks) in towels and secretly beating another recruit. These were called "blanket parties." This all is kind of a real world example of the old phrase
"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
If anyone is still wondering why Private Pile looks so familiar, well that's young Vincent Donofrio who would later play Wilson Fisk aka The Kingpin.
Great movie and reaction :). If you’re looking for some movies that encapsulates what I think most people think of with the Vietnam war I’d watch “Platoon” (1986) and “Apocalypse Now” (1979). Both of those give you a good aspect of fighting in the jungle. Whereas Full Metal Jacket stays more so in the City. All 3 are great nonetheless. “The Deer Hunter” (1978) is another good one too with De Niro and Walken.
Casualties of War (1989)
@@tsogobauggi8721 oh hell yes 🙌🏻
Good Morning Vietnam
Vincent D'Onofrio is an accomplished actor director and producer. Private Leonard Lawrence was the part that made him well known to the world.
During the Vietnam War a great deal of emphasis was placed on body counts. During Desert Storm orders were issued that war time casualties on both sides were supposed to be reported but body counts were not the emphasis. We retrieved several bodies from the water. Some were the the enemy. We retrieved them anyway. Put them on a helicopter sling lift and flew them off to Saudi Arabia for identification or burial
Like all of Kubrick's films it doesn't tell you what to think it just makes you think, you make up your own mind. None of Kubrick's movies are standard, simplistic, run of the mill that's why he is considered one of the greatest film makers ever.
In the Vietnam war the united states fought two armies , the official north Vietnamese army or NVA who wore traditional uniforms and the Viet Cong, which were southern Vietnamese citizens who sympathized with the North and they engaged the U.S. Army with guerilla tactics while wearing "the black pajamas" black colored long sleeved cotton tops and bottoms that to the American troops looked like pajamas. Since you didn't know which southern citizens were Viet Cong until they started shooting at you, the Americans eventually lost much of their sympathy towards the civilians.
The first half of this movie is exactly what Marine boot camp is like for everyone. Only difference between the movie and my bootcamp in 96 is the color of the uniforms we wore. The Marines are a giant step family, doesn't matter what generation we are from.
I went in 1991, and my platoon had a Recruit similar to Leonard Lawrence, as did my brother in-laws platoon in 1983, and my younger brother in 2015.
My father and brother are retired Marines. I never had what it takes, but being a miltary brat was enough for me. I do wish this film spent the whole time at boot camp. Once they go overseas it gets fairly routine.
@@HollywoodMarine0351 Mid 80s, there was a kid a year older than us who enlisted after he graduated. It was his lifelong dream, but he turned out to be a non-hacker. 😫 Back then, DIs would still lay hands on recruits, especially if they got put in a disciplinary platoon during basic. There was a family lawyer in the neighborhood who got him out with a medical discharge. I don’t remember all the details, but I got the impression that they kicked his ass until he needed to get out.
He was really fucked up psychologically afterwards, but then I went off to college and lost track of him. Poor bastard.
@@MarcosElMalo2 I graduated from MCRD San Diego in 1984. Even back then physical and verbal abuse wasn't tolerated. We had a DI relieved because our CDI heard him going off on a recruit using profanity and abusive language.
@@jeffburnham6611 yeah, I had heard the Corps had changed. This would have been 80 or 81 (I graduated HS in 1982, and I think Greg enlisted in 80 or 81. Pretty sure it was 81. Anyway, the details are a bit fuzzy. I think the lawyer got called in when he was put in the brig.
My uncle was a Department of Defense camera man in Vietnam. Shooting film shoulder to shoulder with the troops fighting.
Nice Reaction Blue.....
The Drill Instructor (R Lee Ermy) was hired to be an advisor, but after seeing how well he embodied the part, the Director gave the role to him....... R Lee Ermy had various roles in movies and hosted a show called "Mail Call" on Discovery/National Geographic (I think) where he would answer questions about Military things that Watchers requested information about.....
During Vietnam Era there was a "Draft" where men were directed/selected to serve in the military (without choice)....
The method of treating everyone equally bad is a way of getting all the members in a same/similiar mindset and work/act the same.....
"Joker" was assigned to "Stars and Stripes" which is a Military Newspaper.... that also Provides articles to civilian Newspapers/Media......
One Reason the Vietman war was hard/misunderstood, by the public, this was the first war with media coverage where was the "Ememy" was not always dressed in military uniforms, so media would report it as shooting "civilians" also Women combatants and placing bombs on children was common (So Soldiers were faced with decision to shoot a child or let their fellow military members be killed in an explosion)..... And Americans as a whole have been conditioned to "Never" kill Women and Children....
Some other Great Vietnam War Movies, "We Were Soldiers," "Hamburger Hill," "Platoon"....
Movie "Born on 4th of July" is a movie about a paralized soldier coping after coming home.......
R Lee Ermey was in fact a marine drill instructor and was perfect for this roll and used things that he said said to recruits for this movie.
Men were drafted into the army. Marines were volunteers. R. Lee Ermy (the real deal) has commented that his performance was intended to portray his D.I character as flawed and a failure, that an effective D.I. would have recognized Pyle for what he was and weeded him out of the service.
I know three Marines that went thru Paris Island Boot and two of them did it during the Vietnam era, they all say the first part set on "the island" is extremely accurate.
I went through Parris Island boot camp in 1987, and at the end of it, on our only day of base liberty before Graduation Day we got to see a movie. Guess what fucking movie was playing? JFC, we all felt robbed. "Couldn't it be Beverly Hills Cop II? Adventures in Babysitting? At least some escape?" "Sorry, recruits, this is the Marine Corps. Get used to it." I heard from others who went through later the Depot theatre extended the rental of that print far beyond the normal rental period.
And it is extremely accurate, but during my time, the Drill Instructors had a limit on curse words and weren't supposed to physically strike the recruits. Not that that mattered much-they found other ways to make you suffer. Anything that made you drop your bearing was cause for punishment. A quick turn by a Drill Instructor, yelling "Now make a hole!" and, say, "accidentally" throwing his elbow into your bread basket or rib cage happened all the time.
It was the first "reality TV" war. You could watch little bits of it each night on the evening news, in color.
Vincent D'Onofrio played Edgar bug 🐛 in the first Men In Black movie and also Wilson Fisk in Netflix's Daredevil
The part where they attacked Pyle in his bunk is called a "blanket party". I hate to say I've actually witnessed this in real life many years ago.
Another good Vietnam movie with R. Lee Ermey is "the Siege of Firebase Gloria" (1989) ..... RIP Gunny
The incident that occurred where the truck smashed through the gates in the middle of the night (only to be shot up by soldiers) is rather famously known as the "Tet Offensive". The Vietcong attacked multiple cities at the same time on a local holiday named Tet and the attack generated so much outrage back in the US that the majority of protesting against Vietnam all but stopped completely. The military was in fact considering pulling out of Vietnam until the attack happened, only to be so infuriated that they were attacked during a time of peace that they stopped all negotiations and doubled down on killing all enemies.
I graduated from Marine Boot camp in Parris Island in 1986 and drill instructors never run out of material. This movie was actually filmed in England. Platoon is a great Vietnam movie you should watch. Stanley Kubrick was making an anti-war film.
The beating they gave him is referred to as a blanket party Blue. And getting joker to help him is commonly referred to as a battle buddy or swim buddy depending on the branch.
@@Dave-hb7lx this just a blanket party. Exactly what Hartman wanted. You know he could hear it but he wasn't going to stop them.
@@Dave-hb7lx a code red isn’t usually done by the group it is usually done by a handful of people and it is a lot more brutal.
The best representation of the Vietnam experience is the motion picture "Platoon" as was written and directed by Oliver Stone!
Oh damn, she better be just trolling.
"This is my rifle, this is my gun!" This movie was insane.
27:41 ....Blue fighting an invisible foe......XDXD
This is going to be a weird suggestion, but I think you should watch Ken Burns' The Vietnam War (2017). It's a documentary miniseries (which is why I say it's a weird suggestion-documentaries don't really get much attention from reaction UA-camrs) that explains a lot of things about the Vietnam War. I found it to be very interesting.
Now, as far as fiction goes, another good film set during the Vietnam War that you should watch is Platoon (1986). Oliver Stone, who's a Vietnam veteran himself, wrote and directed Platoon to provide a fictionalized but otherwise honest portrayal of his experience in that war. It stars Charlie Sheen, Willem DaFoe, and Tom Berenger. Also, if you watch Platoon, if you pay close attention to background characters, you might find Johnny Depp in his third film role.
That Leonards "kubrick stare" right before he drops Hartman is honestly the scariest of all....there's many but this one....damn this one hunts me....
Made my day! Another movie I get to watch again, thanks to Blue... 😍
Your reaction is pretty spot on. You have good questions and good observations. War is confusing and terrible. Despite that... lots of funny and crazy things happen. War is not meant to be understood, it is just endured. Most people make the best out of a bad situation and do what is needed to get the current job done and go on from there. I served overseas for 3 years and most everyone I dealt with was a good person in a bad place. Thanks for checking Full Metal Jacket out! Awesome movie! Thank you to our Vietnam veterans for their sacrifices in a crappy reality..
Video games weren’t around during this part of the Vietnam War. Pong came out in the mid 70’s by then the war was ending.
"Why did he sign up for this? Are they voluntarily?" Nope. Vietnam was the last war where the US used the infamous Draft, a process where people were conscripted into joining the military. The Draft was play until 1973, and the military since then has been strictly voluntary. During the Draft, they didn't even get to pick which branch of said military they would join. People who ran away to avoid such conscription were known as "Draft Dodgers" and those who openly rejected such enrollment due to moral or religious grounds were labeled "Conscientious Objectors". Both of which usually faced legal charges.
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Why you gonna sit there spoiling a movie in your recc? What's the matter with you?
21:00 actually Blu, North Vietnam fully believed in the communist revolution they were fighting for. The North believed that the South was being
too influenced by western society. The North wanted to spread communism into the Democratic South and forcefully united the country under communist rule, which they eventually did in '75
The guy R. Lee Ermy who played the Drill Instructor, was in real life a Marine and a Drill Instructor who also served in Vietnam. He like most D.I.'s can be rather colorful characters, their imaginations can go on forever. I remember a recruit being called a slimy home sick looking abortion.
Yes, I served in the Marine Corp's , ( circa ) 1980s. That was Parris Island for us too. By the way that Female sniper was not a child, she was a full grown Vietnamese woman. Besides, if some kid picks up a rifle and begins shooting at You, he ceases as being a kid at that moment.
The things drill sergeants/instructors say is, in my opinion, a combination of real and an act. During the Vietnam war, there was only like 6-8 weeks of training before solders were sent to the war. That gave drill instructors little time. So they used some extreme methods to get men into the mentality that they have to use each other to survive... If you were weak or cocky you would die fast. So they tried to breakdown the individual and raise them back up as a team. So yes... They really said those things... But many of the things said we're lines used often in similar situations with other recruits. They were practiced lines that they felt worked for the task at hand. And they didn't yell at recruits because they hated them . They yelled because they knew these guys were going to be fighting in the jungle soon and HAD to be ready.
Same for hitting recruits... At the time... It was felt that if they couldn't take being hit in training... What good would they be in combat. If they couldn't take it... Better to wash out from hard training than put the lives of your comrades at risk in combat.
Vietnam was the first "televised" war. My father fought, and he said it seemed like every time you turned around a camera was in your face. Drove him crazy.
Fun fact: Hartman is played by a real Marine Drill Instructor and these are the things he would do in real life
I heard every one of those insults during my Navy enlistment 1969 to 1973. These particular insults were very popular in the Vietnam era.
I also had an experience like Pvt. Pyle. I couldn't help laughing at one particular instance and I paid a price with an MEDs fist upside my head.
Even with that, when I think back to that time, I still find myself laughing.
kubrick made this film to absolutely portray the horror of war
Blue, the Vietnam war was the first one to be broadcast on TV as it happened. When people saw the real war in their living rooms, they did not like it. I don't think anyone anticipated what the impact of TV coverage would have. Also, cameras have gone to war as soon as there were cameras. The first war photographs were from the Crimean war, (1856), followed by the American Civil War, (1861-1865), the Spanish-American war (1898), and there were lots of other wars from the same years. By World War 1, (1914-1918), they had motion picture cameras at the front line. The big difference in Vietnam is that the war footage went straight into peoples' homes.
As a kid I remember laying on the floor in front of the TV watching the casualty reports on the evening news. The only part of that I want back is the ability to get on the floor and up again that easily.
Somebody has to show the news to the people back home. Back in college I knew a couple of old guys who worked at Disney, they loved telling stories about the Korean War. One was a photographer there, doing the same as these guys.
The drill sergeant in the movie was in the military and was a drill sergeant in real life before he got into acting
I remember during basic military training a few batches before mine, a guy was often riduculed and humiliated by a lieutenant in his platoon until he couldn 't take it. And one day in living firing, he killed the lieutenant and committed suicide himself. It was very sad. All men in my country are supposed to report for military training for 2 yrs after high school.
soldiers first cause they are cheaper, better lose a soldier than a tank.
The camera was not worth fighting over, it wasn't his , it was the governments. And if they stopped to fight the thief they would have missed out on the hooker.
The Vietnam holy trinity trilogy is full metal jacket platoon and apocalypse now. All 3 movies captured the various aspects of the brutality, hopelessness and futility of this war.
If not already mentioned, Vietnam was the first "reality war". Film was taken by media outlets in the US and rushed back, processed and on TV within a few days. In WW1 and WW2 media / film worked closely with the US Government and censored as they wished, not so as the war became more and more unpopular and was understood as the waste and wanton destruction it was. The media outlets had standards for things being aired but not many punches were pulled. (BTW, born in 1978 and not a left-over Hippie).
The contrast between your intro, where you were visibly nervous about starting this movie....and about one minute into the reaction where you start laughing and become fascinated by the drill sargeant was PRICELESS! :D
Born on the 4th of July, Jarhead and Enemy at the gates are good war movies worth watching. .
I served in the US Marines from 08’-12’, the war stuff (the way they acted was accurate) but the bootcamp stuff was I feel harder in real life.
It's a movie!
@@PapaEli-pz8ff no shit Sherlock
Another Vietnam film that was made was called Hamburger Hill. It was a lot more graphic than this movie or others. Billings Gazette has veteran interviews that can be more real and telling about the people who were made to go and do these things.
"Is he a General?"
No, he's a Gunnery Sergeant. Far more important than any General.
Platoon is another Vietnam movie worth checking out.
"Is he a general?" lol.
To answer your question why they don't go into built up areas with tanks first, because unsupported armor in built up areas without infantry support get's chopped up by infantry around it. If the commanders are out of the hatch, they get their heads blown off. If "buttoned up", IOW they close the hatch, then you can only see through the narrow vision slits of the tank. You have no idea where the enemy is around you. You need the friendly infantry around you to protect them from close quarter fighting.
So many questions of war tactics. Great that for once someone is concerned about wasting bullets.
Yeah, I noticed that about Blue's reaction was well. She has some good tactical intuition.
There was a draft for Vietnam. It can happen again. Some refused to go, but that was much much more frowned upon in the 60s when people were properly brung up and all the nasty crap you see today was not tolerated. Back then most knew what patriotism was and came without question when uncle Sam demanded their duty in war.
There's a theory (that IMO is strong) that Animal Mother is the "born again hard" version of Private Pyle, at least metaphorically.
You be so vividly into the movie. I like your take on it and how you feel about war
28:43 War is a horror situation so I suppose war movies are horror movies. Movies and videogames had take away the horror factor. People must understand that war is tragedy for everyone (Except for those making money out of it that, by the way, keep themselves the farthest they can from the battleground).
Whether you're looking at Marines or Army (calling a Marine a soldier is a major insult), the idea behind boot camp, or basic training, is tear the individual down and rebuild them with a warfighter mind set.
Pyle normally would have been cycled out as unsatisfactory. Many people have discussed why he wasn't. The best explanation folks could think of was that he was part of Project 100,000, which was a plan to add 100,000 low functioning/low IQ recruits to maintain staffing levels during the war. According to Wiki between 320k and 354k were admitted during the program. Pyle typified the problems in training these men. They were more likely to be killed or wounded once sent into a war zone.
The war itself is complex and rarely understood. We must look at the history of Vietnam (which has rarely been a single country) as an appendix of China, existence as independent states, French infiltration in the late 1800s resulting in being parts of the French Empire, the civil war between Communists & non-Communists, WW2 and the fight against Japan (they took over from the French) v. those who collaborated, French return after the war and their attempt at rebuilding their empire, FDR's prejudice against any imperialist aims, the US war against Communism and the start of the cold war, and the civil war between north and south Vietnam after WW2.
As you can see, it's not simple, like the Nazis invading other countries.
These days Vietnam is still officially Communist, but things have loosened up quite a bit. Many now welcome Americans with open arms. A high school friend has retired over there, gotten married, and had a son. He's quite happy.
Matthew Modine is really incredible in the movie Birdy (1985). This film is a must see!
the suicide scene was filmed in dim lighting, white walls, white toilets and nothing else to distract you from the fact that Pyle has a loaded rifle
Tanks can’t go anywhere really without infantry support. The only thing that can hold ground really in a war is boots on the ground.
My father went through Parris Island in 61. Served 10yrs in the Marine Corp. He said it was the most accurate description of boot camp at that time.
"Is he a General?" 😄
As a prior service US Marine my self I can say this depiction of a Drill Instructor is a little over the top by todays standards and rules but back in Vietnam or even as recent as the Gulf War yeah that's how it really was for the most part. R. Lee Ermey the guy playing the DI was an actual DI in the Marines who was just supposed to advise on the film but the director loved his performance so much he just put him in the movie.
Also as a side note Marines have a long history of pulling off impossible victories and reaping a devastating toll on enemy forces, just check out the battle of the Chosin Reservoir, Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, or the Battle of Fallujah. On the battlefield the last person you want to fight is a Marine and much the same applies to day to day street life. One of my favorite quotes "I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold."
(First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, USMC, 96th Co., Soissons, 19 July 1918.)
FMJ is a great movie, but Platoon is still my favorite, mainly because it was made by Oliver Stone, who served in the Vietnam war and knew how bad it was out there in Vietnam. While creating it the cast saw him having flashbacks of his time in the war.
My Father & Brother went through Marine Corp boot camp, did their tours so I've heard all the stories about the training. Most if not all Vietnam movies made after the war don't paint a very good picture about the war, a very unpopular war. There are a few exceptions like the movie We Were Soldiers & The Green Berets which pretty much sticks to the nuts & bolts of the fight. Vietnam was a cold war proxy war, like Korea, & smaller engagement during the 80's. Pretty much a way for the East & West to fight without declaring war on each other, nuking each other.
The Marine Corps is not just a fighting force, it is a brotherhood. As the saying goes, one would never refer to a naval Admiral as a Sailor, but the Commandant of the Corps, is proud to call himself a Marine. Which is why we fight, for each other.
12:35 they uh. ... they are deaaaad fucking serious 🥺
27:52 "Through that window . . . he can still see you, btw . . ." Found the gamer, lol! 😃
P.S.S. The drill instructor was not the original actor for the role, but after Kubrick seen how good he was, hired him. That is because R. Lee Ermey was a real drill instructor. He improvised over 50% of his lines in the movie too. It was one of the better supporting roles in the history of film IMO. Although he wasn't recognized by the Academy, he was nominated by the Golden Globes.
"HERE U ARE ALL EQUALLY WORTHLESS!" lmao love it!
You can join any part of the military with glasses. Some jobs within the military you will not be able to have. For example: In the Air Force, people who wear glasses can be Air Force pilots, but they are required to have 20/30 nearsighted vision without correction.
17:05 - Yes, they do have a newspaper. There are several USA armed forces papers, the most well-known and well-read being _Stars And Stripes_ .
2022 dealing with a 1987 movie about the 1960s/70s war. A whole lot about every aspect of this.
10:24 they were mostly drafted (compulsory), and it's pretty clear he didn't sign up...
30:50 All Vietnam movies from the '80s play as tragedies and war horrors only, and they all are critical of the Vietnam War, _Full Metal Jacket_ , _Hamburger Hill_ , _Apocalypse Now_ , and _Platoon_ .
Yes that is how Marine Corps Boot really was even in the early 80s when I was in boot
in an alternate ending “Animal Mother” was supposed to use his machete to lop off the head of girl sniper