Games Workshop ACTUALLY called my Bluff...
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Its fitting that Dave's tortured artist came out as he worked on this MASTERPIECE
At least he didn't start using his own blood on it
.... or worse ...
I feel like you're underselling your paintjob here, the volumes and textures are all really amazing, especially on the skin and scales
Thankyou! I am exposed to so many world class painters in my profession daily that nig
Might warp my perspective on good
I’m glad this person beat me to it. Dave, your paint job is amazing and I aspire to it. Be happy with your work without comparing it to Golden Demon winners or aspirants. As someone with a day job (me), there’s no way a ‘normal’ person with a job of any kind can hit these shit dates. Thanks for being honest and real. It’s good to see behind the curtain. Cheers, mate. You’re awesome.
Super appreciative of your honesty with the whole process, I can’t imagine the stresses of a deadline to showcase your paint job with GW. The model looks amazing and it clearly shows that you put your blood, sweat, and tears into it (that’s pretty Slaaneshy right there). Great model. Great video. Great guy. Thank you for all of your hard work!
Given Fulgrim’s obsession with perfection, the tone of this video seems poetic.
The sculpts from forgeworld look really nice, but it just seems like so much cleanup especially for the price 😅
I got through building valkia the bloody and khorne lord on juggernaut last night. I absolutely cannot stand resin. Plastic is such a dream to assemble in comparison
This is why I just 3D print. I almost never have issues with fit or excessive cleanup
@@jerseyse410 Have you tried the new Warlord Games Resin? Like for Blood Red Skies and Victory at Sea in the past few years? Like their resin is as good as GW plastic and unlike forge world I only had 2 quality goofs.
@@jerseyse410 That resin is different from the FW resin, it's basically the modern version of finecast (often called GW resin) and both the design of the cast and the resin itself is inferior.
It's been so bad sometimes that I felt like I was sculpting the model myself
This kit is over $400 in Australia. I thought that price was nuts, but knowing that it's actually like this is crazy!
Once they 3d print they will setup in Aus
Somehow it's even more expensive in the US, where it costs the equivalent of $417 AUD
@@aj_2765 wow... Yeah, it's like $406 here. I just laughed when I saw how expensive it was. You could easily make an army for that much money. Just nuts
just buy a 3d Printer lol
The issue is the cost to the customer… it’s about $10 MAX worth of resin… it’s not $390 worth of packaging.
Maybe $100 for this model in total then they would sell the numbers needed.
You did really really nice work on this - that’s an exquisite paint job and you should be proud 👌👌🔥🔥🔥🔥
This video was super down to earth, I’d love to see you guys take a week or two out and make a video where you, Jen and Murray get to just paint to the best of your standards and make a mini you guys are super proud of! Truly an amazing job btw dave I hope you’re proud of fulgrim
Agreed.
Agreed
I disagree.
Perfectionism is a toxic mindset, not a healthy one, and it shouldn't be encouraged, not for the TTT team, nor for the viewers.
I don't think it's about perfectionism as much as taking time to really show off one's skill. When you're doing videos with TTT's frequency, it's inevitable that there are times speed/expedience will trump painting to one's full ability or fully enjoying the process - possibly a lot of the time. So taking the extra time to use one's full skillset isn't toxic nor perfectionistic.
Put another way: it's one thing for me to take my time and all my knowledge to paint a mini (using my fancy technical paints, sponges, etc. blending to the point I know I can). It's another to obsess over every little flaw (e.g., repeatedly redoing said blends, or even stripping the model, over a minor imperfection or two)@@ErebosGR
@@Sturmensky You clearly don't understand the creative process.
Ask any artist and they'll tell you "A work of art is never complete; only abandoned." Musicians, especially, know this very, very well.
First you say "painting to one's full ability" or "using one's full skillset", but then you say that mistakes are allowed So they're not painting to their full ability. That's why "challenges" like that are a toxic slippery slope.
A mini can take 1 hour, 10, 100 or 1000 hours to paint. It's never complete. Knowing when to stop, so they can put out 2-3 videos per week is healthy. Painting a mini for months, like Golden Demon competitors do, is not healthy.
Dave, your work on this is absolutely exceptional. The results speak for themselves and your skill to get this done to the staggering quality that you have.
I’ve always appreciated your honesty very much. I’m continually proud of you, and the channel for making such strong connections and making the impressions that you have with your work - but being transparent about the struggles, and genuine complaints about the hobby is something I trust you so much to deliver. You aren’t trying to sell us these massive products at an extreme price range - you’re selling us someone to sit with at the painting table and to hang out with. Your personality and charisma is something that makes TTT stand out so much. The quality of the model is surprising - and I wouldn’t believe you if you hadn’t mentioned otherwise.
You are a phenomenal painter and a comforting presenter/personality. I hope you got some time to rest after this monster, but I think I know better : )
Much love 💙
I really admire the fact that you gave such yonest feedback about issues with the model...even though i cannot afford a model like fulgrim for those that could its important to know what theyre spending money on...keeping on being awesome!!!
hey dave, i usually don´t write comments but i wanted to tell u smth. u helped me when i was feeling low and u told me smth i´ll never forget. and now i wanna give u smth back! ur an amazing painter and god dammit that fulgrim looks so amazing! thx for sharing that adventure!
I really appreciate that, thankyou
Aye dave, totally appreciate the fact that you're bein honest with us, and your relationship to GW. I really do hope they learn how to treat you and a ton of other mini UA-camrs better.
I hope they treat all customers better and not only content creators.
It works both ways. The reason they now send stuff to creators at the last minute is because some youtubers where leaking the content early before release. It was happening with every release GW had the rules, and models would end up on websites. So GW had to put a stop to it and sadly that means also people who did not leak get punished.
I am constantly shocked that Forgeworld kits, the most expensive things GW sells going into the high hundreds to thousands of dollars, are also the worst packaged, routinely come broken, warped, and missing parts, and take hours of prep time to get them in a state you can assemble. Yet somehow they've convinced a significant subset of their audience, that this is a sign of how "advanced" you are.
Honestly, it's just the usual time-sink fallacy along with fan-boy-ism. Nothing more. You can't support bad craftsmanship in any form, it's not defensible.
well good news, they killed off the brand completely lmao
@@bigmclargehuge1170 no they didnt its just all rolled into the 1 website now. anything that says ships from uk on gw is forgeworld products in there resin
GW focuses on plastic casting, their resin works for low quantity models is,... problematic
I hear you. But people keep buying them. So what incentive do they have to change? Why spend more to improve when it’s not hurting sales?
Even though this broke you, and I totally get the burnout after putting your all into a paint job like this, Dave, you should be extremely proud of yourself for what you’ve accomplished. This is an extremely beautiful piece of art that you’ve made, and I for one am so very impressed. Good job, don’t beat yourself up for the time you spent on it, and get some well deserved rest, you’ve very much earned it.
Dave actually out here suffering from his success.
God's bless you, you mad Aussie. You're one of my favourite Warhammer UA-camrs (you and all the team, but I must admit Dave, you're my favourite.)
Going slowly mad looking for perfection whilst painting ... seems lore accurate for this mini 😆
You guys have always put out such amazing material. I appreciate the honesty, most viewers never really see that side of their favorite content creators. I wish you all the best and hope many more good days to balance the rough ones
I gotta say all the effort that you Dave and the entire Tabletop team puts in is phenomenal. Your videos have always been creatively inspiring and part of the reason I am getting into painting. Keeping to deadlines is stressful, but this mini is something else and looks beautiful. You've got great skill there Dave. Thank you all for sharing this journey with us.
The honesty and integrity you have shown is humbling and much appreciated. I know what it's like trying to balance keeping customers and the higher ups happy without compromising on your beliefs and I have got to acknowledge how well you have handled it. I really appreciate your openness and that you give constructive criticisms rather than just stating an issue without suggesting solutions.
I've seen some of the team's work in person at The House of War. Your Titan graveyard board is amazing and unlike anything I have ever seen before. It's was really fun seeing all the details you all put into it. It's something I look forward to playing on someday.
There are plenty of brilliant painters on UA-cam for the Warhammer community but you all bring such a positive energy that make you especially fun to watch. Just know that we really appreciate all the work you all put into these videos. Whether it is what Jazza does behind the scenes running the show and the whole team of Jen, Dave and Murray presenting and making these minies and videos.
Take care everyone, we love what you do. And again Dave, your hard work paid off. I prefer your painting of Fulgrim over the original, it looks great!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a TTT video within 30mins of posting. Neat!
The magic of missing our upload times and releasing in prime NA evening
So awesome to see something that you were able to put so much effort into. It came out amazingly.
Sorry it took so much out of you, but it is truly inspiring to see how great a job you can do when you have the time and can do your best.
I admire you for spending so much time working on this. Thank you for sharing the ups and downs of assembling and painting this beautiful model. I really think it's important not only for people who are considering purchasing a particular product, but also for the viewers who are tempted to be overly critical of hardworking UA-cam creators.
Thanks for all you do, and we appreciate it.
Thank you for your honesty in this video. Sometimes it feels like videos are one side or the other and you did a fantastic job of giving criticism while also showing your passion for the hobby. Great job on the painting and just want to say I appreciate the channel.
Thank you for being honest about GW and the sculpt. I was hesitant to get the model and I feel like now I'm glad I didn't. Im not ready for that level.
The first of your videos I have ever seen, and loved your honesty and skills. I hope GW appreciates what a great collaboration that they have with you.
Dave being a champ like usual, spitting facts for half an hour straight.
Heroic effort on this model! I hope you feel as proud as i am in awe of the final reveal. Phenomenal job!
I am always blown away with Tabletop Time content. Thank you.
I super appreciate your commitment to the community in this video. It's creators like you that will help change the landscape of the hobby for the better for sure
This was such an amazing paint job. And it feels so much more based in the reality of the hobby then most paint job videos I see where everything is working out perfect. Especially with models that I really care about, I find myself drained up in all the work I put myself up to just because I was hyped about it and really wanted to give it the perfection it deserves, and as a consequence I drain 300% of my available energy over days or weeks, and in the end instead of appreceation it always feels like a chore, and a battle I am happy to find the way out of.
Wow the final result is really impressive. The purple and gold armor and scales are exceptional. My favorite painting job out of all your videos.
Beyond the fact that you have painted an utterly gorgeous model, I have such a massive amount of respect for how you tackled this. You're honest about the downsides but it's clearer than ever before how much you love the hobby and how everything you say comes from a place of really wanting the best for everyone. And also to push through and complete such a taxing project is mad respect - you guys are the kind of people I'm ecstatic to have representing the scene!
This is, arguably, one of the finest works I've seen you put out, Dave.
I couldn't have done it.
Your honesty helped tremendously as well
Dave what a amazing outcome thank you for pushing through to show us this fine peice of art you have created
Dave, you legend! Stunningly gorgeous work! Big respect for pushing yourself so far for the content and your transparency.
All I have to say is WOW! This is such a great paintjob, and I can see why you wanted to paint this model properly. You are a great painter, and I hope you'll do more like this on the channel in the future.
Your concerns about the WH community article are actually a really good point in microcosm. When you stop painting for yourself and start painting for a deadline it sucks the joy out of the process. Fulgrim is a model you were clearly hyped about but it’s sad to see the issues with P&P and stress with the WarCom deadline kill your buzz. I think you did a great job with the mini and TTT is probably as visible a platform as WarCom anyway!
That's incredible. I really love the contrast tones created with the purple, amber and green. And the wings stand out so much more with the flesh tones!
my favorite video on the channel so far, just the process, all the artistic decisions, the blood sweat and tears.. really great video
so much effort went into that small thing. those glamour shots are gorgeous.
Dude this is epic well done and good on you for sticking with it well worth all the effort and pain you put into the model
Thanks for taking the time to make this video Dave. You did a beautiful job. Hope you are able to look after yourself. You all deserve as much love as your put into your videos.
I think you did an amazing job!
Love how honest and emotional you were with your review of the model. You don’t see that to often!
I don’t see how anyone could transport him for any game play. I see those wings breaking on the table top!
Keep up the great work!
The little spikes on the wings also glue on with a tiny tiny tab of super glue and ping off if you so much as poke them and they hook on everything
@@TabletopTime Emperor's Children will be an instant buy for me when or if they release for 40k, but I can't see myself picking up this model. I really hope we get a plastic version at some point
@@TabletopTime gently walks towards a glass display cabinet lol ! I’d love to see an episode of where you store all of the past models the teams painted
Fully resin cast it! cant break off if he is a cylinder!
This video resonated with me quite a lot, sometimes I catch myself thinking the exact same things, and I don't even have a schedule ! I really enjoyed this video, it felt sincere ! Love you guys!
Great Paintjob btw
It might have been the most stressfull vídeo in a while, but it has been definetly worth it yo create and definetly a joy yo watch, you are great guys, keep it Up!!! ❤❤❤❤
A paintjob on Fulgrim becoming a torturous pursuit of perfection seems entirely lore accurate
Oh my gosh, he is absolutely beautiful. I would so love to see your full artistic abilities on painting these models - if this isn't your best, the best would be mind blowing!!
That paint job is absolutely 🔥🔥🔥 You really put everything and then some into it, and it shows!
Wow, amazing results! Thank you for sharing!
BEAUTIFUL WORK! Its paint jobs like this that make me want to push myself to try new techniques and become a better painter.
I don't think I'd ever be able to paint something like this--let alone to the quality you do. It looks amazing!
I can definitely see this being so much work that it can break you. Absolutely gorgeous final result! Beautiful work.
I’ve changed a couple years ago to painting Gundam Kits. The complexity, quality of the plastic and technical designs is just amazing. Building the high detailed ‘Real Grades’ and the (post 2011) ‘Master Grades’ are just amazing to build, they are complex yet designed so well that building is fun and satisfying. The plastic quality and the assembly proces is just miles ahead of what you get from GW, for just fraction of the price. I recently started a Warhammer project again and the price I had to spend on the miniatures left a nasty aftertaste. I hope GW will step up their game as i can not escape the feeling I got ripped off, and this really takes away from the pleasure of the hobby experience.
forgeworld stuff are basically garage kits.
but i have worked on garage kits from Japan and China that are half the price and double the quality of FW stuff.
Nice to see the honest journey prepping & painting a forge world model.
End result paint job & figure looks excellent.
Thank you for this and making such a lovely paint job Dave :^)
Dave's raw take on this project was a nice peak behind the curtain. I live vicariously though him on this one. Thank you for giving this video time to ripe by sinking so much time into this one. ❤️
Dave might be one of the most down to earth youtubers out there, and I genuinely love these candid moments, wish you all the best and well done.
Really awesome paint job mate, one to be proud of for sure! Great Job!
Beautiful piece, great paint job. Congrats
dave I sort of feel your pain. I had a video I wanted to get out much earlier than i could too, but between how long the project took and that project actively hurt my health in it's early stages, instead of being out at the time i wanted to put it out it came out more than three months after my intended date
Final Product is GORGEOUS!! Well Done!!
Great work on this, thank you for sharing your journey with us
Thanks for this video Dave!
It was amazing too see you paint to such a high degree.
Thanks for your honesty along the journey as well.
Your a Chad Dave 🤘
Thanks you for your honstey on this. The figure looks great from a distance as it would appear on a table top so well done. 👏👏👏👏
Hey I just want you to know, you three at TTT are some of my biggest painting inspirations and I respect the hell out of your for putting the effort into this model that you felt it needed. I spent an entire day a couple days ago painting a single marine (first marine I've ever painted) and I don't even like how it turned out so I'm probably going to strip him. But if I didn't watch your videos and understand just how good painting can be I probably wouldn't and just accept it being bad. Y'all push me to be better so thank you. Anyway, Fulgrim looks amazing as all of your stuff does, I can't wait to see you paint Exodus as I'm a huge fucking Alpha Legion nerd.
Great stuff man - what a fantastic model and you did it justice.
best model ive seen done on his channel, thank you for sharing.
You have done a great job Dave. You and the Table Top Time always do. To the whole team, please try not to burn yourselves out.
Holy carp that's a fine, fine job considering the time involved. You may think that you fell short but anyone would be proud to have that end result on display.
the sculpting on the scales of the model is really impressive. its really lifelike, looks almost exactly like my pet hognose snake (tho im pretty sure given this dude is some kinda demon its probably based more on rattlesnake scales, they look essentially identical). i also really like that a little bit of a pattern was added here, even if its not really accurate to any snake pattern, because youll almost never see a snake without scale patterns
One of the big questions I get asked in my painting adventure is "Why don't I receive commissions?". This is the answer. In between just a regular job and painting the hobby for me, the freedom I have and not putting a ton of deadlines onto it, keeps me coming back to the hobby. I don't even play the game anymore, I'm just really enthralled with painting the models and coming up with new techniques with all the paints that are out there and new color schemes(about all the time I have for it these days). You did a tremendous job on cleaning up the model. I've only heard stories of the rumored Forge world kits and after the initial excitement, you can really go off the deep end in how to execute how you'll construct and paint and that really wears you down.
Also glad to hear another happy Scale 75 user out there. I love their paints. The best thing you can do is diversify and find which works best so not being entrenched in Games workshop colors is refreshing. Cheers, glad to see the prince of perfection demanded so much in return. Looks really fantastic. I miss the old days when I could paint nonstop into the wee hours of the morning. Keep on keeping on.
I bought 2 Tau Tigersharks with the heavy railguns a long time ago. Not only were the main guns warped, they were broken in a way that made it impossible to put together and not have it look janky (resin shards and splinters in so many places you couldn't hide the brakes). The burst cannons were warped (each has 4 tiny barrels that if they aren't perfectly aligned with each other they look obviously messed up). Even the main body of one of the models was deformed in a way that I had to excavate a large portion of sculpted resin just to fit the railgun in its slot before resculpting the part I had to destroy. I knew I'd have to do a bit of advanced modeling, but destroying large chunks of a vehicle just to fit it together was kind of stupid. I do resin 3d printing, so I know how hard it is to get the resin to cure and have decent dimensional accuracy, but they're using resin molds that are, in theory, always dimensionally correct. These beautiful models were so poorly made that I never got to use them in a game and was never able to get them to a state where I felt proud to show them off. I spent nearly 2 months trying to repair the damage, and reached the point of no longer giving a shit. That experience permanently soured my view of FW to the point where I didn't trust them enough ever but another of their models.
Awesome work mate. I really love that marble too, turned out great.
thats an insane job well done! thank you for all the honesty too i hope you're able to have a bit of a rest and recover
genuinely incredible, I'd love to see paints where you guys don't have the pressure of an immediate deadline
WOW, WHAT A PAINT JOB. You sir are an inspiration, you have made me excited about painting again and will be subscribing to your channel.
Absolutely gorgeous work on the paint, Dave. Damn, that turned out fantastic. Now that it's over, hopefully you can get some sleep.
Now that is the Phoenician done well! You are a fantastic artist sir. Hats off to you!
Knocked it out the park. That looks superb. Great job!
This was insane. The model, the commitment, the everything.
Gorgeous paint job !
Congratulations, Dave. Fulgrim looks epic. Great paint job. And your honest review is appreciated.
For a - as you put it - rush job, the end result is absolutely stunning.
Im sure that sleep after completion of the model must have been heavenly
Homie, that paint job looks amazing! Well done! Sorry the fatigue hit you so hard. Hope you can rest on it now!
Looks stunning ❤ n massive effort Dave hope you had a good kip when you finished
Thanks for video, the miniature looks wonderfull, it is the best painted primatch I've ever seen.
I hate that im getting to this video 15 hrs after it was posted but totally worth it. Your did a fantastic job at painting this.
Dude, he looks so amazing! Great job!
Damn it is a beautiful piece. Model and paint job are awesome.
Ich hope after a few weeks you will be proud of what you have accomplished 😊
these videos are amazing man, thank you
Bravo mate, what an absolute grind on this one. Hope you got the best sleep of your life when you painted that last bit.
In 1999 several US Troops spent a bunch of money at the Games Workshop in Swindon, including myself. I also acquired some older Games Workshop minis, the ones that had the base molded to the mini.
I always remember my Fulgrim 'model' back in the days of 2nd edition 40k.
Three blue lego bricks joined by a plate, if it had a yellow single brick on the top it was a Fulgrim, if it had a red one it was a Keeper of Secrets.
Lego is not the cheapest thing around, but five lego bricks is significantly cheaper than that forgeworld model...
Beautiful job! Very inspiring
dude you do outstanding work looks fantastic
Wow, that looks totally wicked! Well done!
OMG that looks amazing!!!! You have much more talent than you give yourself credit for, not to mention the perseverance to complete it.
Beautiful work on this
The simple technique used on the wings turned out great, super effective.
A perfect example of 'work smarter not harder'.