Any discussion of the Irish Famine makes me cry. I'm an Irish woman and it is so difficult when driving through this country to understand how there could be a famine in such a green and plentiful land. Fish in the rivers, birds in the sky, fertile soil. I am not sure if this podcast did the horror justice but i understand it's trying to cover nearly a millennia of history over three episodes.
As a scouser every time I walk down into town I pass st Nicholas’ church (bombed out during WW2), I give a nod to the famine memorial, written in Irish and English, to commemorate (the wrong term) the devastation of the famine. So many of us here are only here because of that period
Interesting. The more I learn about Irish history, the more I understand songs by Cruachan and Dropkick Murphys. And some of this is my own family's history too, my ancestors came to Australia to escape the famine. I should know more than I actually do.
ua-cam.com/video/GykVSUKcunA/v-deo.htmlsi=YfDQmwKlDAEvUbB- This was a great two part doc on Irish tv, narrated by Liam Neeson. Even as an Irishman who likes history, there was a lot in this I hadn’t known.
Thomas Keneally, an Australian, wrote a great book about 19th century Irish political figures , the famine etc. emigration to Australia called ''The Great Shame'' 1998.
Wow; at that 11:30 Tom remarks that the Irish immigrants that came here to the US blamed the English for their plight - it is alive & well today! My kids had school friends that were full-blooded Irish that to this day their parents loath the English & anyone with the heritage:/
I have never really thought about it before, but you guys are right. John Redmond gets barely a walk-on part in the history of British politics at the turn of the twentieth century. He was the essential support in the House of Commons that kept Asquith's Liberal government in office and whose votes were needed for the very first parts of the welfare state to be put in place, plus getting the reform of the House of Lords.
I have to say I didn't enjoy these Irish episodes of the TRIH, despite being Irish and knowing a fair bit of Irish history. It may be partly because very little of it is new to me but I think their guest, Mr Rouse, is the main reason. He never seems to give a concise or direct answer to any question, and he's constantly going off on tangents to the point were you even forget what the question of the hosts was in the first place. I thought he might have some new insights or interesting things to say but instead it all seemed very muddled and vague and he seemed unwilling to come to any firm conclusions about anything. It also seems weird that he was largely unaware of the events of the Cromwellian reconquest,(which he mentioned in the previous episode) considering what a pivotal moment that was in Irish history. TBH, I can't imagine anyone without much knowledge of Irish history would've learned much or gained a clearer picture of its main events from these episodes.
As an Irish person. It's hard to have English ppl talk their version of the get hungry. In the great hungry 1,140000 tonnes of food was exported out of Ireland to England and beyond! The famine Queen victoria blocked anyone donating money if it was More than what she donated.. The MP Robert Peele said "The real evil with which we have to contend,” Trevelyan famously wrote, “is not the physical evil of the Famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the people.” England didn't want to help! genocide.
Any discussion of the Irish Famine makes me cry. I'm an Irish woman and it is so difficult when driving through this country to understand how there could be a famine in such a green and plentiful land. Fish in the rivers, birds in the sky, fertile soil. I am not sure if this podcast did the horror justice but i understand it's trying to cover nearly a millennia of history over three episodes.
This historian didn't do it justice. The famine itself could be an 8 part series
As a scouser every time I walk down into town I pass st Nicholas’ church (bombed out during WW2), I give a nod to the famine memorial, written in Irish and English, to commemorate (the wrong term) the devastation of the famine. So many of us here are only here because of that period
Wow!! this Irish Guy is really doing his best not to hurt the feelings of these English hosts.
Awesome, I've been waiting in anticipation
You're not alone. Dissenter here.
To my Canadian ear, I can't get over how much Tom sounds like Rory Stewart.
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Interesting. The more I learn about Irish history, the more I understand songs by Cruachan and Dropkick Murphys. And some of this is my own family's history too, my ancestors came to Australia to escape the famine. I should know more than I actually do.
ua-cam.com/video/GykVSUKcunA/v-deo.htmlsi=YfDQmwKlDAEvUbB-
This was a great two part doc on Irish tv, narrated by Liam Neeson. Even as an Irishman who likes history, there was a lot in this I hadn’t known.
Thomas Keneally, an Australian, wrote a great book about 19th century Irish political figures , the famine etc. emigration to Australia called ''The Great Shame'' 1998.
Wow; at that 11:30 Tom remarks that the Irish immigrants that came here to the US blamed the English for their plight - it is alive & well today! My kids had school friends that were full-blooded Irish that to this day their parents loath the English & anyone with the heritage:/
I have never really thought about it before, but you guys are right. John Redmond gets barely a walk-on part in the history of British politics at the turn of the twentieth century. He was the essential support in the House of Commons that kept Asquith's Liberal government in office and whose votes were needed for the very first parts of the welfare state to be put in place, plus getting the reform of the House of Lords.
Guy Fawkes as well, he wanted to blow up parliament because they kicked the Irish out.
I have to say I didn't enjoy these Irish episodes of the TRIH, despite being Irish and knowing a fair bit of Irish history. It may be partly because very little of it is new to me but I think their guest, Mr Rouse, is the main reason. He never seems to give a concise or direct answer to any question, and he's constantly going off on tangents to the point were you even forget what the question of the hosts was in the first place. I thought he might have some new insights or interesting things to say but instead it all seemed very muddled and vague and he seemed unwilling to come to any firm conclusions about anything. It also seems weird that he was largely unaware of the events of the Cromwellian reconquest,(which he mentioned in the previous episode) considering what a pivotal moment that was in Irish history. TBH, I can't imagine anyone without much knowledge of Irish history would've learned much or gained a clearer picture of its main events from these episodes.
Iontach!
Biggest mistake of the Empire - the UK government should have embraced Home Rule and fostered Irish loyalty. The British lacked confidence in reality.
The Irish catholics were seen as hostile to Britain and the Irish peasants as untermensch.
What killed the Irish was the race and religious laws that were past " the penal laws"!
One word..... "LOBOTOMIZED""
As an Irish person. It's hard to have English ppl talk their version of the get hungry. In the great hungry 1,140000 tonnes of food was exported out of Ireland to England and beyond! The famine Queen victoria blocked anyone donating money if it was More than what she donated..
The MP Robert Peele said "The real evil with which we have to contend,” Trevelyan famously wrote, “is not the physical evil of the Famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the people.”
England didn't want to help! genocide.
Look what happened to the native Americans. It could have been worse. At least some of the Irish survived