It hurts most being a hanzo main because our boy has received nothing but nerfs. But hanzo was always good against sombra at least. Until, the rework. And now she can win the 1v1 easily. In fact there's few characters she can't 1v1easily now.
Read my other comment, also, TF2 has Spy, which his stealth is balanced, you will take about 1.5 seconds to decloak with the ability to kill only one of the classes if they do not hear you nor turn around or if you suck fighting spy, ahem, pyro
I had a sombra spawn camp me once when I was playing zenyatta, I’m not that toxic in general but when I finally killed her I t-bagged for about 5 seconds straight
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@@AlexQuinn-f2r ohhh random idea: Junkrat's mines, trap, hell even his primary fire, all get pulled towards sombra when she's nearby... Even if she's invis.....
Her invisibly is what really drives me nuts. Every single other game has some sort of indication where they are, a clear silhouette, glitching animations or a constant noise queue. She has NONE of that and it drives me BONKERS!
Her stealth used to be on a timer, which encourages her to be careful as it can run out. Also, she has to either burn stealth to get to the back line or sneak her way there and hope the enemy team doesn’t drop her
@@tdobarron1 thing is I play tank, mostly dive like doom, ball and winton. Sombra doesn’t even flank anymore so she just hacks you when you go in with no risk to herself. So that locks you into things like rein, d’va, mauga and orisa. Oh but rein is countered by orisa and mauga, so it’s now 3 picks. Oh but if i pick d’va they’ll pick orisa or mauga which are poor matchups. So I’m now locked to the 2 most boring tanks in the game
@@loogkai it all links back to 5v5. She was fine when you had 2 tanks because you couldnt just continually hack one tank to make them useless without the other tank being able to fuck her over
@@TheBagMan0 that's not the point. To remove/nerf her core mechanics which makes her seem kinda unfair sometimes is the formula to make Overwatch a more boring game because I think that's the fun of Overwatch: how unfair or overpowered the characters are in certain aspects or situations. If you want a game which all the characters look like more Soldier 76, go play COD instead.
I honestly hate sombra to a personal level, if someone is playing sombra i immediately switch and focus on nothing but invalidating sombra. I will literally just stay close to the more vulnerable heroes scanning the area and if she pops up ill run at her like a rabid dog
Whats even worse is when the enemy doesnt start on sombra, but sees that you’re doing well so decides to pick her and target you all game until you swap off
I remember this from a TF2 video "If spy was Consistent as other classes he would be insufferable" and that's what Sombra is, not to mention there is very little room for counterplay for a character who can shut off abilities with little to no skill required, not to mention the fact it shuts off ults is such bullshit
Literally EMP as an ult should be the ONLY ability that disables other abilities. It should be that impactful but it seems like they would rather make her entire kit annoying rather than useful for your team.
Yeah. At least Spy needs a lot more mind games, cloak management and also relies on a melee weapon. Disgusing takes serious game sense and a sense of understanding how player mentality works. You have limited cloak so you need to know where ammo packs are and where to de cloak ahead of time or at least think quickly. Finally, his one-shot requires you be behind them with a melee weapon. I play tf2 and OW and dying to a Spy feels significantly less annoying.
This entire comment section is filled with low elo crybabies. Sombra has a vast amount of counterplay. But of course you wouldn’t understand it because ur in piss low elo. Literally no t500 players care about sombra because she’s obsolete once you have 2 brain cells and can aim.
To the Sombra stans in the comment section, you clearly didn't watch the video before commenting. It's not about her being OP, cause she's not. It's about how unfun it is to play against the character. A character that pauses your ability to use cooldowns is basically the fun police. If you get enjoyment from being annoying that's fine but you're still annoying, you don't have to try to justify it.
@@die_mez17Come on, you know thats enough time to make even a tank die let alone squishies(I see it happen all the time), 1 sec in this game is A LOT of time, specially when it happens every 6-7 seconds
@ripafromanjj5041 It is NOT often like that, though. Sometimes I'm not even playing well as Widow and it's the very beginning of the match. I get ONE SINGLE PICK with a headshot after almost 3 minutes of play. I'm sucking hard and they STILL swap to Sombra (sometimes it's not even the player I killed, but their random teammate who was killed by my tank or something). I ALMOST NEVER play Sombra, though. She's probably the DPS I play the LEAST. If I'm playing Widow and it's not working, I swap to anyone else but Sombra: - If I still want to play a sniper character, I'll go Hanzo or Ashe. - If a Sombra was fucking me up when I was Widow, I'll change to Junkrat and explode the shit out of her (not sure why Junkrat wasn't mentioned in this video, he's such a great anti-Sombra). - If the enemy Widow, Hanzo, or Ashe was out-sniping me and I want to dive them, then I'll go Genji, Reaper, or Venture (maybe even Tracer, but that's too dangerous). - If I was getting fucked up by other dive heroes (not Sombra), like Tracer, Reaper, Genji, Venture, Moira, Doomfist, Winston, D.va, Wrecking Ball, then I'll still go Junkrat (even against D.va, but I'll mostly ignore her and focus her teammates), or Cassidy, Mei, Pharah, even Sojourn. - If a flying dive hero was the one fucking me up, like Pharah, Echo, Juno, even battle Mercy, then I'll go Soldier: 76, Cassidy, Ashe, Bastion, or I'll mirror them with Echo or Pharah. - If the enemy tank was the one fucking me up when I was Widow, and he's also fucking my team up, then I'll go a typical tank buster like Bastion, Sojourn, Reaper, Torbjörn, Junkrat (again), or maybe even Symmetra, depending on the map. - If the problem was just me losing to the average DPS poking heroes or not being able to kill the supports, then I might try to out-poke them with Sojourn, Soldier: 76, Ashe, Cassidy, Hanzo, maybe even Mei, Echo or Torbjörn, or I try to dive them with Genji, Reaper, Tracer, Venture, Echo, Junkrat (again). I feel like I lose my soul every time I pick Sombra (at least in the state she is right now, but that might change in the future). But that's not to say that I NEVER pick her. No, sometimes I have to sell my soul to Satan, unfortunately. If there's a Doomfist dominating the entire lobby and nothing else works (Junkrat, Cassidy, Hanzo, Reaper, Sojourn), then my last resort will have to be Sombra... I might do the same thing when there is an unkillable and slippery Mercy healing and resurrecting everyone, because Mercy's slipperiness basically outmatches Sombra's slipperiness, so it's kind of fair. I always tend to pick Sombra last, though, when I have exhausted all the other possibilities. Edit after a few days: since writing this here, I've been picking Sombra every time the enemy picks Sombra to counter me or a teammate playing as Widow. But I mostly ignore their Sombra. I'll go for the supports and DPS, and if we win the match, I'll blame their Sombra for inspiring me. It's been very funny and poetic doing that.
She prevents me from loving this game. No other hero fills me with this much hatred. I love OW, I have an unhealthy obsession with this game but Sombra holds me back from…then again…maybe that’s a good thing.
@@jarebot1889 this entire video and comments section was about a mass of people (you included) whining because they’re too bad to turn around and group up. You don’t get to say skill issue when you’re the one whining 💀💀💀 I play sombra but I could still diff you on any dps. Get out of plat before talking next time pls
@@davidperezvazquez7856who cares about rank? Get off ur ego, it’s the concept of a character being invisible for the whole game in a FPS. That’s just absurd
Virus is such a stupid addition alongside perma-invisibility. It’s weird how they can never decide on wanting big burst damage and one shot combos or removing them. Like taking out ventures and junk rats combos but keeping this for example. I feel like hack should take longer for tanks and Bob to make it more high risk high reward and invisibility should either be a duration or not keep her fully invisible. That’s pretty much my yap session, I used to like playing sombra and I love the translocator changes but she just doesn’t do it for me anymore 😅 thanks for the video!
And you should be able to hack enemy Sombra's to turn off their locator. So you can actually kill them And taking away Junkrat's One hit when it required an ability and aim is so dumb because they just have Hanzo one hit with a normal arrow
Virus is a very questionable choice especially with how much damage it does. Most of the changes tho i liked, ESPECIALLY TRANSLATOR, as now it feels like sombra finally requires at lease A brain cell to play her
@@blackjesus947Translocator does not require a brain cell or at least not to be able to throw at a wall but it's stupid how instant it is to teleport like that, ventures dig and Mei ice is such a stupid abilities to save themselves in general. Though for Sombra it shouldn't be instant like maybe a delay before it teleports so you can still hit her or throwing it and having to press it again to teleport would be nice.
I mained Sombra from the start, timed invis and tp era, not from her OW2 rework version 3 (adding virus). She used to be difficult to play. Now it's just toddler levels
Take one ability and REMOVE IT! Either hack, invisible, translocator, virus. Some character have 3 abilities, she’s get 4 and a passive. Honestly idk why they thought Invisibility in a team based tactical shooter was a good idea. That’s honestly insane.
Her invisibility and fast running needs a long cooldown. And they should remove virus. You’re right she has a whole bunch of OP abilities which help her survive and insta kill supports and DPS
Granted but now every other skill is now super buffed invisible is now permanent, translocators is reverted to the old one and makes 10 meter barrier that pushes anybody close and stuns them if they hit something and the barrier last for 5 seconds virus now also makes multiple screens that block your screen and hack can now also shut off weapons and can target multiple people and makes a robot or turret swap team and emp is pretty much insta death for electronics until player respawns or in the case of objective 10 seconds
"Stay close to your team, that way they can protect you" Yeah...I F T H E Y H A V E E A R S . I don't think a hero that can make simply existing in the videogame as certain heroes impossible should really be a thing. I haven't played Zen in so long, not because i don't like him, but because every match has a Sombra in it at some point and i know for a fact, that i will have her on my ass 24/7 when i'm on Zen. I genuinely have fun with this game, even when the team sucks, but Sombra is this one thing that drags it all down, every single time.
@@Slogstin Even if they're not communicating or care, a target in a huddle is so much less lucrative. Never underestimate the value of having another body or two nearby.
tell your team there's a sombra or just tell them to help you out, also on certain maps as zen you're one of the only heroes enemies cannot hear because he's floating. as for this, if you died once to sombra go out another way, most maps shouldn't have one exit from a spawn room. Also if you're zen, you're able to just discord and 2-3 tap her, if she tps away that should give you enough time to grab a health pack if you know the map or near one, but your health recharges fast anyways so that's not always necessary. Use your ult if you have to, that way you can get to your team faster as well, I mean if you're one support, the tank should know you're being preyed on and it's really their fault if they can't protect you
@@lavyunaWrong. it’s not our faults, especially if we’re on the frontline. if we’re staging before a fight and that sombras bothering you that’s a different story,we’ll deal with it. but to put that solely on us when dps are present as well is just lame.
Humble 🤣 I like it, swap to deva and then smash her once she shows herself a little to close and save your booster for once she throws. It’s easy and they quickly change once you shut them down once or twice
As a sombra main myself I actually respect your standpoint. And I myself even hate playing against a mirror sombra lmao she's annoying to deal with. I agree her kit needs some tweaks. I think stealth duration is a big thing that needs changes, you gave a lot of good suggestions. Alsooooo I might be a sombra main but I don't think I'm much like other sombra mains? I hate singling out or hard focusing specific people in a game and I HATE spawn camping. It's not fun. All sombras should stop spawn camping I stg it's not cute. Thanks for the good video :)
I hate sombras with all my heart but this comment made me believe there are still good sombra dps players around. Just hope more of sombra mains were like you
Make her respawn time 2 minutes. It should take her 30 seconds to be able to hack. She can remain invisible, but make her constantly mutter spanish loudly wherever she goes. Make her translocator faulty so sometimes she throws it but it doesn't actually translocate her. Make her lose SR even if she wins matches. This... will be the best sombra rework
One time I called a sombra ass because they were and they spawn camped me untill the game was over and then called me terrible and his whole team agreed that the hate was valid since he plays som
sombra just shouldnt be able to invis AND hack AND do extreme burst damage. She needs to lose 1 of the 3. literally only skill u need for sombra is knowing her health breakpoint. thats IT. unpopular opinion, id love a sombra support. hacking tanks for brawl comps and being able to provide overhealth or something like that. sounds refreshing for a support. that and she becomes the thing she swore to destroy
@tyshonruffin1053 I'm glad no one in this comment section is a Dev. Sombra was always annoying since day 1. People just suck at countering her cause they don't pay attention. Even now, after a hard nerf, people still complain.
3:52 sadly that's not how it is most of the time when playing her cuz people don't uknow emote during an actual match? and the comparison to dynamite is meh at best since dynamite has splash damage,is more powerfull and doesn't require direct los of the enemy to work
As a Sombra main, hating Sombra was truly a skill issue UNTIL the virus rework. That rework removed 80% of her skill expression while leaning into all the most frustrating aspects to play against. I also really miss being solo ulted when using TP
This might be kind of a hot take, but I don’t think Sombra is too hard to deal with. But she is still annoying, so I think Sombra is kind of supposed to be annoying I think about it. She’s literally a hacker she’s supposed to make you mad at her the game her entire role in the game is a nuisance but she’s not impossible to deal with. I don’t think she’s necessarily overpowered. She’s just has abilities that are incredibly annoying. You know what I mean?
As true as this is, nobody wants to admit it. As someone on both giving and receiving ends of Sombra's terror, she's not overpowered or unbalanced like everyone makes her out to be, just annoying. But like you said, she's supposed to be, being a hacker, her kit is oriented to cause disruption. She's easy to deal with but people just can't deal with her because they can't act like a team, they always: split up, run off on their own, only look out for themselves, ignore teammates, etc. But since Sombra's kit punishes that kind of playstyle, well, they loose it.
The real reason everybody hates Sombra is due to the type of person that chooses to pick a character who is so OP. A truly toxic and low skilled individual typically.
Well, this video aged incredibly poorly. Now her rework took away the whole identity of the character, made her incredibly bad to play as, while not really nerfing her and instead just making her into a worse Soldier 76. No more going for flanks, no more backlining, no more opportunism and watching from the shadows waiting for the perfect moment to strike, now you just stick to your team, still dealing ridiculous amounts of damage, sometimes do a slightly more daring dive to kill the enemy supports before throwing the translocator to run away. Her main problems, mainly the insane damage from Virus and the annoyance of her negating your abilities, that's all still there, she's still awful to play against, but now she's also awful to play as. And even worse, now that she's gone there's no one to keep the Widowmakers in check, they just removed her natural predator and hoped she wouldn't completely destroy the ecosystem. Guess what, now we have a Widowmaker meta and a good Widow has the power to simply decide who gets to play or not. She's much worse than Sombra yet is treated as ok because she's slightly more difficult to play. Because here's the deal: Sombra's only dominant in low ranks where nobody knows how to deal with her, in high levels of play you need really good coordination with your team to really make use of all her potential. I wasn't a Sombra main, but I fell in love with her character ever since her cinematic, she was really fun to play even if I was terrible at it. To see her butchered like this because Blizzard misinterpreted what people didn't like about her... feels like I'm straight back to League of Legends and I hate it.
Honestly, I am surprised no one really talks about this, but I think changing the effect of hack would be great to reducing the frustration she gives. I think that hack should world like a reversed Kitsune Rush; in that it reduces damage per shot, reduces healing per shot (or per second depending on healing source and reduces movement speed by a little bit. This allows the enemy to still fight back or use escape abilities, reduce frustration of hack just being a big middle finger to half the roster, AND actually be easier to balance than current hack effect. All the devs can really do with current hack is cooldowns, how long it takes to hack and hack duration. With my idea, it would be all of that, but now you can also change how strong the effects are (for example it could be change easily from 20% to 40% reduced dps).
Fun fact back when OW2 came out when Sombra had that rework on launch hacking a health pack lasted for 60 seconds meaning that basically if you know all the health packs on the map and hack them all the enemy team can barely do anything especially if their supports die and its just them and the tank so around the time there they reduced it to 45sec now in the current present
i personally think that sombra's hack ability should be removed entirely because being able to disable anyones abilities on a 7 sec cooldown seems too overpowered. Of course you should keep her ult, because that takes some level of planning
@@SSoodaPoP i'm not saying get rid of the entire hacking theme in general, keep her ult for that exact reason. look at KAY/O from VALORANT, his ult disables your abilities instead of having a buyable ability that does the same thing, even if it has a shorter duration. (not saying that OW2 and VALORANT have the same balancing though) 1 second of being hacked basically immobilizes the said target (for non mobility heroes) and add the fact that you take more damage while hacked makes a perfect scenario of hella annoying mayhem that you just have to live with or just don't play the game. i play tank occassionally, and have had many scenarios of going from 700 hp, to 0 hp in 2 seconds, all cuz of being hacked :/
Sombra might be annoying but at least she keeps widow in check. I would rather fight her than get domed as soon as I get back to point because widow is in fuck off nowhere and I cant get to her.
Sombra is one of my mains, since her introduction in OW1. I do enjoy playing her but her latest change is honestly the worst thing that they've done. If there is a Sombra on the enemy team, I switch to her myself and focus the ever living crap out of the enemy Sombra. I keep hacking her until she switches. It's the only thing that seems to work as of right now.
Also a Sombra main, the latest rework sucks and I absolutely agree with many of the complaints players have SINCE THE VIRUS REWORK. Previously, she was a genuinely skillful hero, now she's a noob stomper
@@zc8673 Genuinely skillful lmao, she could still teleport away in the blink of an eye and her hack was just as bad as it is now, worse even because of the ability lockout duration
@@Aesy_Ford I was a top 500 Sombra main on console and she is not skillful even before the rework 🤣🤣🤣 Now she's not as strong I just play tracer but Sombra is so fun if you're low Elo. The skill in playing Sombra is if you can still main her in masters. That shit is HARD after the recent nerf or even before the 225 HP change
@@plumpydayzif you're a widow main you can still play her lol, position with your team more, they should know enemy is running som so if u stick around them she's less of an issue, use your mine, tag her when she tps, grapple, headshot her, you have options Most good sombras will virus then hack or just virus and shoot, if any hacks first, they're pretty stupid and literally tells you where they are and if you're really good, just snipe them in the face there Not saying she isn't strong, but she can definitely be dealt with even as a widow, just have a good team comp, tag her before she hacks and it cancels it
One time as sombra i accidentally didnt let the sigma ult all game but he was so pissed that he'd try to solo ult me so he let himself open to it by the end
You know how a tank sees a tank that counters them and switches off? That’s me on support when I see a Sombra. The instant o see sombra I swap to Kiriko, I’M GETTING THAT KILL
That's good an emergency teleport just in case too unlike Moira which I've seen called the Sombra counter even tho one that's only really in a group which means that any other support can probably do better and two has hackable ult. I mean I can see why they would say that but I've seen more people throw a antinade and hit someone without any kind of telling than a Moira actually counter a Sombra with a higher chance than any other hero
Many abilities can shut down both of those. Deadeye is literally easy af to counter in every elo (hence why it’s one of the worst últs, if not the worst) and axe hardly ever gets hacked on purpose. If ur mad about these things that’s honestly funny af. Skill issue
@davidperezvazquez7856 personally yeah alot of abilities can stop them and death also can but being "hacked" stopping an axe mid swing is crazy deadeye really isn't a physical object so I can't say much about that and deadeye kind of needs a buff also assuming I'm raging typing that and saying skill issue is cringe especially in a youtube comment section
@@davidperezvazquez7856 sombra stans are something else :0 nobody has fun playing against a sombra, there is a reason your in the minority of people who actually like sombra
Here is my idea. What if hack was the virus ability and you had to skill shoot it. You still have to leave cloak to fire it off so that forces Sombra to show herself. And maybe have translocator only start its cooldown if she isn't actively cloaked. Have it only start its cooldown when she is visible. You can use Translocator to get your quick invisibility disengage, but if you use it to engage a target and uncloak to hack or shoot your smg you have to commit to that fight and wait for the cooldown before you can use it again. This way you have at least a guaranteed duration of time to punish her engagement if your or your team reacts. Either that or force translocator to share a cooldown with going uncloaked. A bit scummy of a rework, but it would at least be fair to counter her.
I despise Widowmaker, the only other character that can just make the one-sided decision to not let you play the game, but at least I can respect the skill it takes to land shots. She still doesn't belong in this game, but a WM potg is at least somewhat entertaining to watch. Sombra guarantees you won't have fun. A good Sombra will solo carry, but a bad one will still be an absolute pain in the ass. It's like Teemo in League, a character that trades the fun of an entire team for the fun of a single player. Objectively toxic game design.
This. I can't be mad at a Widowmaker because she LANDED the shot to my SKULL. If she was one shotting body shots then it'd be an issue. Even if I run up there's a chance I'll be sniped but not every Widow is that skilled. Sombra didn't that level of skill and that's the main complaint. They fixed it yesterday though. Gave her invis a timer was a BIG step in the right direction and her being revealed is a constant thing now.
Hot take: Every time I play Sombra, regardless of whom I target, the enemy turns around *the second a hack is done,* a healer immediately switches their target and the kill no longer happens. The combo may be easy to do, but finishing the kill isnt nearly as easy when the target isn't alone *in a game that endorses sticking together*
One of my big reasons for never having touched ow2 is because they changed Sombra's beacon to a throwable. It removes strategy and thoughtfulness. With the beacon I have to place it in a safe place that isn't too far from the action, and if I forget to place it when I recall I'm fucked. But the throwable seems dumb, you just ender pearl out. No strategy, no safety, just kinda dumb.
what I think that overwatch players are being spoilt brats, I also play tf2. and there is spy in that game disguises, invis, high damage single shot revolver, and an INSTANTLY KILLING BACKSTAB with his melee. and let me tell you sombra is way easier to deal with then spy is because she can't disguise and its a smaller team size so she's easier to just gun down then walk away from all you need to do is WATCH FOR HER! be proactive and actually try to get the jump on sombra, before she's able to hack you like turning around to check if she's hacking you semi-reliably so she has less time to just walk by and steal your info, lead her into your team if she's coming after you she can't do anything against a tank if your already hacked, try to fight her head on without your cooldowns if your able to. she isn't a hard character to fight you just don't actually think about strategizing against her
How dare you! Telling the players to use their heads and common sense? Atrocious! (I'm being sarcastic, I totally agree with you. Also spy sounds like a nightmare and infinitely worse by comparison)
I honestly miss the Old Sombra, she had that "If 2 trains leaves the station at 4:20pm, which one makes a sandwich by the time the 3rd train gets to the station" The "joke" is, I miss it when you actually had to know maps/information/temp comp because the Camo and TL had a timer so you couldn't just afk 100% like she came these days.
Sombra main here. We also wish that invis wasn't permanent. Really hoping they change it up next season. Also, what about giving Sombra the Moira right-click treatment and make it so you have to track with hack for it to go off? It would put a little more skill into her kit. 13:16 this. Watching from a distance while the enemy team spychecks is funny to us, and is literally what we want you to be doing. Cuz then you're not shooting our team or paying attention to them.
That's all she needs is more skill, her entire kit feels automated for what it is, like normally to achieve her level of flanking power you gotta learn genji or tracer who both take crazy mechanical skill and genji isnt even near as good as sombra, yet sombra just auto aims your abilities away, lands a giant projectile the size of tracers hitbox, and than spams a more tight version of tracers guns with better range.... if shes gonna give players that kinda power to be a one man army inna backline, while always having the advantage in 1v1s, than she needs compared skill to tracer or genji. And I don't think moira beam will work, it needs to be a skill shot, it can have some forgiveness where if it misses it refunds half the cd back but its cc at the end of the day and on a dps as well, which they said theyd remove all cc from the dps role only to leave the automated dps cc ability 😂
Maybe they also just added that. People can move out of the hack pretty easily...though those targets tend to already be in motion. Maybe just increase time needed to hack. Today she feels balanced.
Hot take for sombra: You could keep the ability to activate her teleport in the air but keep it on a timer. In Team Fortress 2, The Demoman has these sticky bombs that when launched (without side grades) takes a couple of seconds to activate, maybe could be done for sombras teleport. Maybe ya could add a little purple effect to let the sombra know she's able to teleport
I mostly play support and when going against a Sombra I will usually go Lucio for spy checking (and hes my main) I can also sorta speed boost my teammates away from the sombra, Brigette as well I like to go for if she is just constantly in the backline, and Baptiste for the same reason Soldier and Torbjorn that you said in your video, when u realize u/ur teammate is being hacked drop the lamp then mow down Sombra. Also I think making stealth similar to Spy from Tf2 would feel more fair I just find Spy so much less infuriating to play against then sombra because he has risk. (Tho I play Pyro mostly in that so I just constantly spy check too)
As a Zen/Doom main, I wholeheartedly agree with all this, have my like and sub 🙏 I too miss the old translocator simply bc I loved camping it and waiting to solo ult her😭
personally i don’t think she’s that great, i play her a lot actually she’s probably my main, there’s too many counters to even make her viable she’s only good at getting flankers and low hp targets, sombra doesn’t do enough damage like kassidy, ashe, or solider to even get the same value and it shows in her stats, she usually has lower dmg on the board….cleanse removes all her abilities/value, she has to hack pylon before engaging, turret from sym or torb make it hard to engage….i don’t think she deserves the hate tbh….not being able to 1v1 her is kinda sad and it gives you are hard stuck bronze
Fact is, you're right. People hate her because she's more of a Disruptor than a Damage and this role (or subrole in this case) forces people to use their heads. OW2 player have a reputation for not acting like a team in a team game, always doing things like: running off on their own, ignoring teammates, trying to duel, protagonist syndrome, y'know single player mentality. (Ik this isn't everyone but it's a lot of players and they make a lot of noise) And since Sombra's kit is perfect for punishing single player mentality then said players really hate it, and they scream and rage and spit hate at sombra in the chat. (The threats i've gotten jfc, sombra players are known for laughing them off and not letting it get to them but it's still beyond messed up)
as a sombra main torb is actually really tough to go against mostly because of his turret, because like you mentioned in the video the average human reaction speed isn't fast enough to hit sombra before she gets off hack, the turret does not have this issue. even if I decided to engage without hack the turret would still be an extra source of damage making winning duels harder, so it forces me to deal with turret first which could make me miss out on opportunities that could've been capitalized on had it not been there I'm also a sliver player so maybe I'm just bad idk
I started playing overwatch a couple days ago. First, and only, character i developed some hate. I understand right now im an walking skill issue, but it also feels like there isnt much counter play
Sadly the people in this comment section crying about sombra are also walking skill issues. They have refused to get better and actually use sombra counterplay, instead choosing to cry and blame their losses on the character and not their shit mechanics/game sense.
@@davidperezvazquez7856 bro it's not even a skill issue. I can swap to brig & just by existing I counter one, MAYBE two dive characters. It's boring af though!! I don't wanna babysit my fkn Ana all game & throw packs in the backline. That's boring af. Explain that.
@@shaheedroylance explain what? The inability for you to understand that OW is a team game? And that certain comps COUNTER other comps? That’s the reality of the game. If you decide to play 1 or 2 heroes exclusively and refuse to swap to help your team, you better be good enough with game sense and mechanics to make up for it. If not, keep whining and stay hardstuck. Also brig doesn’t just counter 2 dive heroes. She counters nearly every single one. That’s why she’s the anti dive support???
as a sombra main, i can confidently say that ALL of you are to blame for the way sombra is now. We WARNED you that she would feel 10x worse to play against after her rework, but yall just had to keep complaining about hack. Now instead of being locked out of your abilities for 1.5 seconds, youre locked out of your abilities for 10 seconds and have to walk back from spawn
@@FenekkuKitsune the point of the rework was to de-incentivize sombra from hacking by: 1. nerfing the cooldown from 4 to 6 2. making it so that she’s pulled out of stealth when she uses it 3. removing the damage buff it gave to sombra 4. adding virus as an offensive ability for engaging when coming out of stealth People cried because of hack’s “oppressiveness” which led to it getting nerfed except the only reason you play sombra is FOR hack so they added virus to compensate for weaker hack, making her more lethal. So instead of being the mosquito thats constantly cancelling your abilities like she was before, shes the hornet that just appears and straight up murders you. Do you get it now or do i have to dumb it down even further for you?
@@Flaco5609 Except nobody wanted the rework or any buffs like that. They wanted a straight nerf. They wanted hack to stop feeling like shit, and they barely changed it in that respect. You're making it sound like the complaints are at fault, when Blizzard simply completely misinterpreted what people wanted. Even the Sombra mains hate the rework!
@@FenekkuKitsune You cant nerf hack without giving compensation buffs. Hack was already a lackluster ability and if you nerf it without compensation buffs, you completely gut sombra as a character. Its one of those abilities like cass nade and hog hook where you just have to accept it exists and deal with it. It only feels bad because most people are too shit at the game to know how to play around it and would rather cry to blizz because they cant handle learning different approaches towards different characters. And guess what, they did exactly that and now we’re stuck with a sombra nobody likes ESPECIALLY us sombra mains. Im all for dogging on blizz because fuck corporate america, but in this specific case it really was the community’s fault that sombra is the way she is now especially considering she was only reworked BECAUSE of community outcries. So yea….. it fills me with joy when people hate message me for sweeping them off their feet with sombra. Yall made this bed so SLEEP IN IT.
@@Flaco5609 Hack is just a downright shit ability, I'm sorry, but Sombra can exist without it. Hell, remove Hack from the current iteration of Sombra and very little changes about her! Honestly this argument is similar to the one about Widowmaker, she's so one-dimensional and so reliant on one mechanic that it's so fucking stupid!
I think a good way to balance cloaks in video games is to have it only work on players that are kinda near your crosshair. That way you have to aim, and there’s more strategy involved in having to know who you can and can’t be seen by
Sombra is necessary Evil in season 13 they Nerf her to the ground and look who is dominating widow. you can’t go a second without getting headshot. Is Worse then having a Sombra run around because at least you could kill the Sombra you can’t with widow because she just sits in the back and one shots u and when you do get to the widow, her whole team looks for her and peels for her and heels her back to full. To counter Sombra you simply need to play with your team or stop being isolated and when she comes to hack you. move away or shoot her. It that simple if you can’t do that it’s a skill issue. .
I think changing virus to be like previous hack where the target takes additional damage when shot, removing/reducing its damage, and slightly nerfing her primary fire to account for the new damage would make it take more skill and make her more balanced between high and low ranks.
I'm a Sombra main at low masters, I have to make no mistakes to make here work or not deleted instantly. Top Sombras almost never hack people because it takes too long to make it worth it.
Btw as someone who plays ashe, ashes dynamite has a neat thing where if you toss it forward and hold the fire you will automatically shoot it as soon as you are able to shoot. the only downside is that its not as far as you would probably like dynamite to be but if someone is attempting to mow you down its a good tool to abuse
Sombra main here (+600hs between OW1 and OW2). The main thing that keeps me playing the hero is that the game is just played differently. You are not playing a hitscan or regular flanker who just shoots the enemy, but have to play actual chess ingame looking for oportunities and open windows for your team. In that sense, both versions of OW2 Sombra feel WAY worse to play (both as and, I believe, against) because she's pushed away from that dinamic. OW1 Sombra was not only the most fun imo, but also the most "fair" I believe. Her utility and longer silence duration in hack came at cost of her dmg and 1v1 capacity. If you hacked the wrong person or at the wrong time, most your value was gone. The 6v6 game also was healthier to deal with a Sombra, especially with 2 tanks which could peel for each other when one was hacked. She just acomplished the fantasy her character brought to the table. The first OW2 rework just took everything away to focus only on dmg, making her a more "Tracery" hero. Second rework gave her back some of that chess playstyle, but still not as good as 1v1. If I have to say it, I don't think (nor believe) Sombra should stop being hated in that sense, she's annoying, looking for oportunities, that's just the point of her character. Back in OW1 (and even at this moment with second OW2 rework) she was not the strongest hero at all. Heck, she used to be called a troll pick in OW1 (and sometimes in OW2 too). It's pretty similar to what happened to Mei, Orisa, Cassady or Doomfist when transicioning to OW2, comunity persepcion on "annoying" or "unfair" abilities took away some of the most creative ways to play the game, which differ from the classic GPS "just shoot the enemy" playstyle. I truly hope that, if we go back to 6v6, with 2 tanks and new supports with strong disengage as Kiriko or Lifeweaver, Sombra could go back to her last version in OW1, which I believe was both the more fun and more fair version she had since then. (And Mei too, truly miss her old playstyle, now she's just a Zarya with slow attached to her beam) Btw you forgot to mention Sombra's secret passive taunt, where, if you dare play Sombra, the entire enemy team will priorize chasing you, killing you, teabagging you and shit talk in all chat, even if that costs then the game
@@BrinySpy yeah, but that is kind of the point of what she means as a character, personality wise too! Kind of like how Yordles are annoying to play against in League, which fits their fantasy
UNLESS you're bronze, silver and MAYBE plat, of course sombra is gonna sound OP... but in any other rank, sombra is so fucking weak. Yeah infinite invis sounds insane but, aside being able to get the "upper hand" what is sombra gonna do exactly while invis? she literally cant do anything while invis, and as soon as she steps out of invis, she has a voiceline that alerts the entire enemy team, and all shes got is a skill shot ability (virus) and petty damage to defend her self with. even translocator isnt a good "getaway" ability, hell it isnt even the best one in the game, and you wanna know why? because translocator has a trail effect that lets you know where sombra is gonna teleport to AND it doesnt make sombra invincible. Moria, reaper and kiriko have THE best getaway abilities in the game simply for just being able to be invincible and/or without any trail effects leading to where you are going. also dont get me wrong about infinite invis, i think its stupid that blizzard even made it infinite in the first place, its op in lower ranks and so useless in upper ranks
She can't do anything while invis? *Bruh she's invisible* Not to mention the increased movement speed. Translocator is far from bad since it has a short cooldown and *she turns invisible again* Maybe not OP but is easily the most annoying hero. (Also Reaper literally has to face the direction he's going and stand still for a few seconds)
Did you actually watch the video bruv. He specifically said she isn't OP, she's unfun to play against. If you enjoy being annoying that's fine but you don't need to write an essay to defend it lol.
I remember the first time I fought against a Sombra was me being confused about her abilities and power and me as Tracer blinking to cover to avoid her and hiding and me being surprised when Sombra found me and every time I got her down to low hp she disappeared or teleport away before ambushing me when I go find somewhere to hide again
TRUE I HATE SOMBRA every time I play support she just targets me and now every time I hear a sombra I act get PTSD and immediately turn around expecting to be hacked even when it's my own teamate sometimes
as a support main I play sombra when i get dps, and these changes you suggested have been the first i hear that i can mostly agree on (not sure about invis but i can see where it comes from)
As a sombra player I think you need some context as to how I got here. It dosent matter what charecter I pick I learned some one always hates me. When I started it was my first fps and people hated me cause I was bad. Then I got decent at mercy in OW1 and people said I had no skill and hated me. Then I got decent at Dva and people hated me cause of defense matrix. And then I got decent at brigette during goats and people hated me cause she was OP. And then I continued playing brig cause I love the paladin fantasy. When she was nerfed into the ground and people hated me for picking a trash charecter. When I got good at Symmetra or Mei people hated me. In the end I determined it dosent mater what charecter you play if you are doing well or doing badly people will hate you regardless. So that brings us to today and I will gladly feast on your hacked tears for the years of pain you all caused me just for learning the game. You will suffer every tick of my virus as I have taken every ounce of your undeserved hatred. Your rage in match chat will fuel me further as I spawn camp you for daring to complain about me or your own team mate. I am a white hat hacker, if you spew hatred or rage at your team mate expect me for I will be there the silent hero that lives in the shadows of your worst nightmares. Also GGWP with
Is someone always hating on you too? :) Well, I have a similar story. I want to share my experience and opinion about this game. I don't think it will be about Sombra, but I hope you enjoy my story! I’ve played many games like Warface, War Thunder, Apex Legends, Minecraft, and other less popular online games, but I have never encountered a community as dumb and toxic as the one in Overwatch 2. Of course, I don't mean all players. I started playing in the middle of Season 4 and almost immediately faced aggression from my team when I picked Mercy and started supporting them. Instead of just being a healbot, I boosted damage for my teammates, and once, a teammate told me to delete the game... It’s not uncommon for people to curse or even wish death upon someone just because they think their teammate is playing poorly. Sometimes, they write in the general chat, asking both enemies and allies to report a player to get them banned, instead of calmly and kindly pointing out mistakes, giving advice, and helping someone improve. Now, about the stupidity. I remember playing Ramattra, and a friendly Pharah kept complaining about me, even though I was matching the enemy Mauga step-by-step: we had almost identical stats in terms of damage, kills, deaths, and damage blocked. Both my team and the enemy team praised me for my play, but something about it still annoyed Pharah. I tried asking her what I was doing wrong, but she didn’t provide any arguments and just kept complaining. When I played as Moira, I was doing my best to support my team. Once, my entire team got wiped out, and I was the only one left alive (I always try to survive instead of making reckless moves). Suddenly, our Genji called me an idiot just because I didn’t stall the payload. He wanted me to jump in alone against the entire enemy team to delay them so my team could get to the payload and contest it... Sure, I could have delayed them-for about 3 seconds-because I wouldn’t have lasted any longer against five enemies. On the Oasis map, I was playing Ana, and everything was fine until the middle of the first round when a friendly Mei started complaining about our tank, saying he was playing badly. I checked the stats and saw that our Moira had dealt three times more damage than she had healed. I asked, “So you’re more concerned about the tank than Moira?” Mei answered, “Yes.” I didn’t continue the conversation. Rhetorical question: how could the tank feel confident if he wasn’t being properly healed and had minimal support? I couldn’t just heal the tank because I had two other teammates to take care of (I deliberately didn’t heal Moira, as I despise players who deal two or even three times more damage than they heal, except for Zenyatta). Sometimes, players complain that the support isn’t healing them but ignore how they’re playing. For example, Reinhardt charges deep into the enemy team and then complains that he wasn’t healed... And it happens repeatedly. Or DPS heroes, just like tanks, engage in fights they can’t win and then blame the supports. Most of what I wrote happened in Quick Play. I can’t even imagine what goes on in ranked matches. In the end, I turned off all chats, and it was a great decision. :) Play games for your own enjoyment and don’t let people ruin your mood. Games are meant to be fun! P.S. This is my “short” opinion on this game and its... inhabitants. It’s a fun game, but most of the people are extremely aggressive. All the best! ;)
@@FenekkuKitsune Instead of learning how to play against annoying characters or using their counter picks, it's easier to keep complaining. I also hate Sombra, but what's stopping people from picking her counters like Reaper, Symmetra, D.Va, Winston, Moira, or Kiriko? I’m not going to list all the abilities of each character - people can learn it themselves.
@@Orcinusorca-l3g The issue is that a character shouldn't have to force a team to change to counter them. You HAVE to react to Sombra - and she gets value simply from being reacted to - and that's part of why she's so stupid and unfun to play against. A great example is Zen. People love playing Zen. But Zen is a very easy - stupidly easy - target for Sombra. So... How do you play Zen? You can't. Now don't get me wrong, there are some situations in the game that do force changes. For example Pharah if she's good can force a DPS to change to a hitscan. But that's not ALWAYS the case, I've had many games where I've dominated a Pharah as Venture! And games where Doom's punched Pharah out of the sky! Not Sombra though, in particular because even her supposed "counters" can very easily lose the fight just from a simple hack virus combo with a bit of aim.
@@FenekkuKitsune Yes, indeed. It will be difficult to deal with a random team, but if the team is assembled and plays like a true team or in a pre-prepared composition, then I don’t think there will be significant problems with Sombra
I agree with this video .cause i remember playing quick play with my friend and they didn't start out as sombra . Guess what went sombra cause they was getting curb stomped 😂😂😂 . .......and lord behold they started spawn camping me and killed me twice 😡😡😡😡😡 i got fed up with her shit and went torb and finally got out of spawn chased her or him off me and they still lost why my team was pushing the robot and we won 😂😂😂😂😂 Thats a win for me fuck there kill count .
Why ppl say to not play her...if she's fun, her lore and stuff are great...being hated by enemies is actually nice cuz u get some ppl chasing u after u execute their support and this feels good even if they manage to kill u
TL;DR: Thanks for finally going in depth about it and not just saying: "Ha Sombra sux." Word Vomit: As a self proclaimed Sombra main since starting this game. (Back in 2017 - before shit fell off.) I wanted to say that I'd love to play this version of Sombra that you proposed and it could be satisfying to play her again. Believe me, I understand the hate. There are some nasty sombras out there who just target supports and squishies and call it a day when there was so much more value to her as a character back in 1. I remember when a well placed hack could turn a fight around, but the key was you had to be SMART about it. Nowadays finding those cheap 1v1s feels like the only way to have an impact. I can promise that for as shit as she feels to be up against, it feels worse playing now more than ever. Especially with the slap in the face that IS virus, easy to hit but also easy to cleanse/combat with healing. Same goes for hacks. As a more team based supporter Sombra, I get NO value because most of the time: healers and supports are right around the corner ready to undo whatever I try and pull (and yeah, sure skill issue. Whatever but hear me out.) Going ONLY after the supports is just mean- and I'd rather give them a chance to play the game. I want a CHALLENGE, hence why I like this version so much. It would finally be satisfying to play her in team fights again and give me less reasons to consider the "dark side" and go for those cheap easy wins.
Theres also counterpicking with brigitte for the supports, her primary as a melee attack has wide horizontal range and she gains health by doing dmg, so its a pretty consistent counter as a support
I've always felt like Sombre could be really good in the support category, let me explain: you could have her damage reduced a bit, the translocator as it is (now with the invis bc of rework) but the biggest change being the hack, now being able to target allies, giving them a bit of health and maybe even a slight DMG boost, however the time to hack enemies would increase to something like 0.8 or 1s and EMP could do the same as hack just with reduced healing and boost to teammates
Sometimes I do play her, but not in stealth mode with Cheaky Spawn Camp, I like to be aggressive with team, stand with them, give them support, and invisible get behind enemy teams to locate where they are. Is like a support more than a DPS.
imo most of the fun from this game is about thinking up strategies to overcome problems, I hate being hacked but I like the fact that it forces you to think out solutions and team up and actually pay atention to play the game effectively
Subscribe if Sombra belongs in a glue trap :/
It hurts most being a hanzo main because our boy has received nothing but nerfs. But hanzo was always good against sombra at least. Until, the rework. And now she can win the 1v1 easily. In fact there's few characters she can't 1v1easily now.
Why do you look like and sound like Macro?! 😂
Nope
Read my other comment, also, TF2 has Spy, which his stealth is balanced, you will take about 1.5 seconds to decloak with the ability to kill only one of the classes if they do not hear you nor turn around or if you suck fighting spy, ahem, pyro
OH, By TF2 I meant Team Fortress 2
I had a sombra spawn camp me once when I was playing zenyatta, I’m not that toxic in general but when I finally killed her I t-bagged for about 5 seconds straight
Absolutely deserved t-bag
Was it on runasapi?
@@tyshawnetman422mookie is that the push map with the snow?
@@Randomacc7909 no
It illaris home
As an Ashe main, i still say the same thing everyday: "How the FUCK does a Latina woman DIGITALLY HACK a SHOTGUN or a Stick of fucking DYNAMITE?!" XD
Or when she takes away soldiers ability to run…
Focused electromagnetic discharge causing fluctuations in reactive compounds- could be used to either damp reactivity or excite such substances causing pressure swelling or detonations
In other words- don't let anyone with a sufficiently large or powerful magnet near any explosives
@@AlexQuinn-f2r yap
:3
@@AlexQuinn-f2r ohhh random idea: Junkrat's mines, trap, hell even his primary fire, all get pulled towards sombra when she's nearby... Even if she's invis.....
I think that if sombra fails a hack her fingers get broken and she can’t hack for the rest of the game. Healthy and balanced 👍
Same for doom if he misses a punch his arm should be broken and he can no longer use the ability
Soldier is old, he should fall over when trying to run
@waterrr6332 what soldier do? 😭
@@unfortunatelyijustcannot Nothing. He just has dementia so he forgets how to sprint
@waterrr6332 good idea, let's make Soilder Joe Biden
Her invisibly is what really drives me nuts. Every single other game has some sort of indication where they are, a clear silhouette, glitching animations or a constant noise queue. She has NONE of that and it drives me BONKERS!
Boop
Her stealth used to be on a timer, which encourages her to be careful as it can run out. Also, she has to either burn stealth to get to the back line or sneak her way there and hope the enemy team doesn’t drop her
Well its gone now…hopefully they bring back perma stealth but with a cloak like every game does
it should be just on a separate button and not perma
that's all it would take to balance her xd
You can hear her footsteps, she's pretty loud because of her running
i love it when this one fucking character counters almost every fun character in the game
It’s the best!!!! (everyday it becomes more difficult to want to play this game)
@@tdobarron1 thing is I play tank, mostly dive like doom, ball and winton. Sombra doesn’t even flank anymore so she just hacks you when you go in with no risk to herself. So that locks you into things like rein, d’va, mauga and orisa. Oh but rein is countered by orisa and mauga, so it’s now 3 picks. Oh but if i pick d’va they’ll pick orisa or mauga which are poor matchups. So I’m now locked to the 2 most boring tanks in the game
And the solution the community gives is to take away this mechanic, which is also fun...
@@loogkai it all links back to 5v5. She was fine when you had 2 tanks because you couldnt just continually hack one tank to make them useless without the other tank being able to fuck her over
@@TheBagMan0 that's not the point. To remove/nerf her core mechanics which makes her seem kinda unfair sometimes is the formula to make Overwatch a more boring game because I think that's the fun of Overwatch: how unfair or overpowered the characters are in certain aspects or situations. If you want a game which all the characters look like more Soldier 76, go play COD instead.
I honestly hate sombra to a personal level, if someone is playing sombra i immediately switch and focus on nothing but invalidating sombra. I will literally just stay close to the more vulnerable heroes scanning the area and if she pops up ill run at her like a rabid dog
Whats even worse is when the enemy doesnt start on sombra, but sees that you’re doing well so decides to pick her and target you all game until you swap off
OMG sooo true, its like when they see you’re doing a good job, they switch to sombra bro come on that disgusting 😭
They have to be good though, otherwise I switch to sambra and stick with team and wait for her to hack first, then take them out.
@garciafamily585 smart
i sure am enjoying this doomfist gameplay. i hope nothing interferes with the fun im having in any way
@@garciafamily5850 hahahaha me too when i see them switching to sombra i do as well and wait for them to hack first and kill them 😂
I tried to play Widow. Yeah. They insta swapped to Sombra after the first fight
Also. Hacking an enemy Sombra should disable their teleport for a second or two
@@HugeHaddock It does but just as long as hack disables any other ability
Sombra may be the most annoying but Widow is definitely #2 in that regard lol
@bubbleis Yeah, but there's a slight delay before it let's you shoot. So by the time you actually can do damage, they just teleport away again
Deserved
I remember this from a TF2 video "If spy was Consistent as other classes he would be insufferable" and that's what Sombra is, not to mention there is very little room for counterplay for a character who can shut off abilities with little to no skill required, not to mention the fact it shuts off ults is such bullshit
Literally EMP as an ult should be the ONLY ability that disables other abilities. It should be that impactful but it seems like they would rather make her entire kit annoying rather than useful for your team.
@@benlink202forever I agree with that
Just turn her into a short ranged melee character where you need to stuck up a pendrive on someone's ass to hack them
Yeah. At least Spy needs a lot more mind games, cloak management and also relies on a melee weapon. Disgusing takes serious game sense and a sense of understanding how player mentality works. You have limited cloak so you need to know where ammo packs are and where to de cloak ahead of time or at least think quickly. Finally, his one-shot requires you be behind them with a melee weapon. I play tf2 and OW and dying to a Spy feels significantly less annoying.
This entire comment section is filled with low elo crybabies. Sombra has a vast amount of counterplay. But of course you wouldn’t understand it because ur in piss low elo. Literally no t500 players care about sombra because she’s obsolete once you have 2 brain cells and can aim.
To the Sombra stans in the comment section, you clearly didn't watch the video before commenting. It's not about her being OP, cause she's not. It's about how unfun it is to play against the character. A character that pauses your ability to use cooldowns is basically the fun police. If you get enjoyment from being annoying that's fine but you're still annoying, you don't have to try to justify it.
Bro you get paused for like 1 second 😭 I love seeing the copium in these comments
@@die_mez17Come on, you know thats enough time to make even a tank die let alone squishies(I see it happen all the time), 1 sec in this game is A LOT of time, specially when it happens every 6-7 seconds
@@die_mez17ironic
“I don’t care about if you’re having fun because I am! Nothing in this world matters but ME! ME! ME!” -sombra players and hacker
@@die_mez17you're playing a character that's invisible 99% of the time, your opinions mean jack fuck
why is it every widow that gets killed once swaps to Sombra
it doesn’t matter who i kill on widow they insta swap to sombra
@@livsm23it’s just how it is tho, she’s like the natural counter to you. It’s almost a complement, you fuck em up so well they Need to swap
"I can't have fun picking you off in peace, you don't have fun either"
Yeah I noticed widow players always swap to sombra. It’s like they are bots or something.
@ripafromanjj5041 It is NOT often like that, though. Sometimes I'm not even playing well as Widow and it's the very beginning of the match. I get ONE SINGLE PICK with a headshot after almost 3 minutes of play. I'm sucking hard and they STILL swap to Sombra (sometimes it's not even the player I killed, but their random teammate who was killed by my tank or something).
I ALMOST NEVER play Sombra, though. She's probably the DPS I play the LEAST. If I'm playing Widow and it's not working, I swap to anyone else but Sombra:
- If I still want to play a sniper character, I'll go Hanzo or Ashe.
- If a Sombra was fucking me up when I was Widow, I'll change to Junkrat and explode the shit out of her (not sure why Junkrat wasn't mentioned in this video, he's such a great anti-Sombra).
- If the enemy Widow, Hanzo, or Ashe was out-sniping me and I want to dive them, then I'll go Genji, Reaper, or Venture (maybe even Tracer, but that's too dangerous).
- If I was getting fucked up by other dive heroes (not Sombra), like Tracer, Reaper, Genji, Venture, Moira, Doomfist, Winston, D.va, Wrecking Ball, then I'll still go Junkrat (even against D.va, but I'll mostly ignore her and focus her teammates), or Cassidy, Mei, Pharah, even Sojourn.
- If a flying dive hero was the one fucking me up, like Pharah, Echo, Juno, even battle Mercy, then I'll go Soldier: 76, Cassidy, Ashe, Bastion, or I'll mirror them with Echo or Pharah.
- If the enemy tank was the one fucking me up when I was Widow, and he's also fucking my team up, then I'll go a typical tank buster like Bastion, Sojourn, Reaper, Torbjörn, Junkrat (again), or maybe even Symmetra, depending on the map.
- If the problem was just me losing to the average DPS poking heroes or not being able to kill the supports, then I might try to out-poke them with Sojourn, Soldier: 76, Ashe, Cassidy, Hanzo, maybe even Mei, Echo or Torbjörn, or I try to dive them with Genji, Reaper, Tracer, Venture, Echo, Junkrat (again).
I feel like I lose my soul every time I pick Sombra (at least in the state she is right now, but that might change in the future).
But that's not to say that I NEVER pick her. No, sometimes I have to sell my soul to Satan, unfortunately. If there's a Doomfist dominating the entire lobby and nothing else works (Junkrat, Cassidy, Hanzo, Reaper, Sojourn), then my last resort will have to be Sombra... I might do the same thing when there is an unkillable and slippery Mercy healing and resurrecting everyone, because Mercy's slipperiness basically outmatches Sombra's slipperiness, so it's kind of fair. I always tend to pick Sombra last, though, when I have exhausted all the other possibilities.
Edit after a few days: since writing this here, I've been picking Sombra every time the enemy picks Sombra to counter me or a teammate playing as Widow. But I mostly ignore their Sombra. I'll go for the supports and DPS, and if we win the match, I'll blame their Sombra for inspiring me. It's been very funny and poetic doing that.
She prevents me from loving this game. No other hero fills me with this much hatred. I love OW, I have an unhealthy obsession with this game but Sombra holds me back from…then again…maybe that’s a good thing.
Skill issue
@@davidperezvazquez7856 skill issue on the sombra players part maybe. Imagine thinking you’re good at the game while playing easy mode
@@jarebot1889 this entire video and comments section was about a mass of people (you included) whining because they’re too bad to turn around and group up. You don’t get to say skill issue when you’re the one whining 💀💀💀 I play sombra but I could still diff you on any dps. Get out of plat before talking next time pls
@@davidperezvazquez7856are you okay?
@@davidperezvazquez7856who cares about rank? Get off ur ego, it’s the concept of a character being invisible for the whole game in a FPS. That’s just absurd
Virus is such a stupid addition alongside perma-invisibility. It’s weird how they can never decide on wanting big burst damage and one shot combos or removing them. Like taking out ventures and junk rats combos but keeping this for example. I feel like hack should take longer for tanks and Bob to make it more high risk high reward and invisibility should either be a duration or not keep her fully invisible. That’s pretty much my yap session, I used to like playing sombra and I love the translocator changes but she just doesn’t do it for me anymore 😅 thanks for the video!
She needs to uninvis before any attack.
And you should be able to hack enemy Sombra's to turn off their locator. So you can actually kill them
And taking away Junkrat's One hit when it required an ability and aim is so dumb because they just have Hanzo one hit with a normal arrow
Virus is a very questionable choice especially with how much damage it does. Most of the changes tho i liked, ESPECIALLY TRANSLATOR, as now it feels like sombra finally requires at lease A brain cell to play her
They should just bring back overwatch 1 sombra
@@blackjesus947Translocator does not require a brain cell or at least not to be able to throw at a wall but it's stupid how instant it is to teleport like that, ventures dig and Mei ice is such a stupid abilities to save themselves in general. Though for Sombra it shouldn't be instant like maybe a delay before it teleports so you can still hit her or throwing it and having to press it again to teleport would be nice.
As sombra main, the rework fucked the character so bad
It was so much easier to counter her on OW1, instead of nerfing her they buffed her
I mained Sombra from the start, timed invis and tp era, not from her OW2 rework version 3 (adding virus). She used to be difficult to play. Now it's just toddler levels
1000% I really miss when she was skillful. She's pretty boring to play now compared to before
gotta sell skins in bronze
i thought sombra was dead easy to play back then when you could place your translo somewhere safe
@TheMCmace he's talking about when she first came out all of her abilities had timers and cool downs
Take one ability and REMOVE IT! Either hack, invisible, translocator, virus. Some character have 3 abilities, she’s get 4 and a passive. Honestly idk why they thought Invisibility in a team based tactical shooter was a good idea. That’s honestly insane.
Don't forget Invisible gives her Soldier's Run Ability.
Her invisibility and fast running needs a long cooldown. And they should remove virus. You’re right she has a whole bunch of OP abilities which help her survive and insta kill supports and DPS
Granted but now every other skill is now super buffed invisible is now permanent, translocators is reverted to the old one and makes 10 meter barrier that pushes anybody close and stuns them if they hit something and the barrier last for 5 seconds virus now also makes multiple screens that block your screen and hack can now also shut off weapons and can target multiple people and makes a robot or turret swap team and emp is pretty much insta death for electronics until player respawns or in the case of objective 10 seconds
She does have 3 abilities???
Here's the quick version:
Sombra has a low skill ceiling but provides high results and has no efdective counter.
"Stay close to your team, that way they can protect you" Yeah...I F T H E Y H A V E E A R S .
I don't think a hero that can make simply existing in the videogame as certain heroes impossible should really be a thing. I haven't played Zen in so long, not because i don't like him, but because every match has a Sombra in it at some point and i know for a fact, that i will have her on my ass 24/7 when i'm on Zen.
I genuinely have fun with this game, even when the team sucks, but Sombra is this one thing that drags it all down, every single time.
@@Slogstin Even if they're not communicating or care, a target in a huddle is so much less lucrative.
Never underestimate the value of having another body or two nearby.
tell your team there's a sombra or just tell them to help you out, also on certain maps as zen you're one of the only heroes enemies cannot hear because he's floating. as for this, if you died once to sombra go out another way, most maps shouldn't have one exit from a spawn room.
Also if you're zen, you're able to just discord and 2-3 tap her, if she tps away that should give you enough time to grab a health pack if you know the map or near one, but your health recharges fast anyways so that's not always necessary.
Use your ult if you have to, that way you can get to your team faster as well, I mean if you're one support, the tank should know you're being preyed on and it's really their fault if they can't protect you
@@lavyunaWrong. it’s not our faults, especially if we’re on the frontline. if we’re staging before a fight and that sombras bothering you that’s a different story,we’ll deal with it. but to put that solely on us when dps are present as well is just lame.
As a tank player that was popping off, I know my life will turn around once a dps swaps to her.
How nice if them to remind me my place in the game 😢
Humble 🤣 I like it, swap to deva and then smash her once she shows herself a little to close and save your booster for once she throws. It’s easy and they quickly change once you shut them down once or twice
*pats your shoulder* i know the pain
As a sombra main myself I actually respect your standpoint. And I myself even hate playing against a mirror sombra lmao she's annoying to deal with. I agree her kit needs some tweaks. I think stealth duration is a big thing that needs changes, you gave a lot of good suggestions. Alsooooo I might be a sombra main but I don't think I'm much like other sombra mains? I hate singling out or hard focusing specific people in a game and I HATE spawn camping. It's not fun. All sombras should stop spawn camping I stg it's not cute. Thanks for the good video :)
I hate sombras with all my heart but this comment made me believe there are still good sombra dps players around. Just hope more of sombra mains were like you
Make her respawn time 2 minutes. It should take her 30 seconds to be able to hack. She can remain invisible, but make her constantly mutter spanish loudly wherever she goes. Make her translocator faulty so sometimes she throws it but it doesn't actually translocate her. Make her lose SR even if she wins matches. This... will be the best sombra rework
LMAO make her constantly blabber 😭😭
Lmfao "burritos" "tacos" "enchiladas"
I keep saying we need an invisible support just to annoy her. Have them be the tech support that removes all her abilities lmao.
One time I called a sombra ass because they were and they spawn camped me untill the game was over and then called me terrible and his whole team agreed that the hate was valid since he plays som
those people are assholes, not all of them
Tbh it’s not even fun having a Sombra on your team😂 It’s literally just a free win that you don’t have to work for
@@jetprivate3733i had picknik with a sombra
So you put yourself in a position to get spawn camped that is the danger of texting mid match
@@kingkitty026 it was at the end also I made this 11 days ago chill
sombra just shouldnt be able to invis AND hack AND do extreme burst damage. She needs to lose 1 of the 3. literally only skill u need for sombra is knowing her health breakpoint. thats IT.
unpopular opinion, id love a sombra support. hacking tanks for brawl comps and being able to provide overhealth or something like that. sounds refreshing for a support. that and she becomes the thing she swore to destroy
I’d leave sombra’s abilities how they are, but she takes 80% more damage when not invisible
I'm glad you're not a dev that is crazy
@tyshonruffin1053 I'm glad no one in this comment section is a Dev. Sombra was always annoying since day 1. People just suck at countering her cause they don't pay attention.
Even now, after a hard nerf, people still complain.
3:52 sadly that's not how it is most of the time when playing her cuz people don't uknow emote during an actual match? and the comparison to dynamite is meh at best since dynamite has splash damage,is more powerfull and doesn't require direct los of the enemy to work
As a Sombra main, hating Sombra was truly a skill issue UNTIL the virus rework. That rework removed 80% of her skill expression while leaning into all the most frustrating aspects to play against.
I also really miss being solo ulted when using TP
I just miss finding a Sombra knowing she' can't escape
my favorite moments as old sombra, was noticing the 76 or mcree had found my TP, and jumping them while they were waiting to jump me.
it’s always been a skill issue 👹 just stay with your team?….its so simple 😭
This might be kind of a hot take, but I don’t think Sombra is too hard to deal with. But she is still annoying, so I think Sombra is kind of supposed to be annoying I think about it. She’s literally a hacker she’s supposed to make you mad at her the game her entire role in the game is a nuisance but she’s not impossible to deal with. I don’t think she’s necessarily overpowered. She’s just has abilities that are incredibly annoying. You know what I mean?
As true as this is, nobody wants to admit it. As someone on both giving and receiving ends of Sombra's terror, she's not overpowered or unbalanced like everyone makes her out to be, just annoying. But like you said, she's supposed to be, being a hacker, her kit is oriented to cause disruption. She's easy to deal with but people just can't deal with her because they can't act like a team, they always: split up, run off on their own, only look out for themselves, ignore teammates, etc. But since Sombra's kit punishes that kind of playstyle, well, they loose it.
The real reason everybody hates Sombra is due to the type of person that chooses to pick a character who is so OP. A truly toxic and low skilled individual typically.
Well, this video aged incredibly poorly. Now her rework took away the whole identity of the character, made her incredibly bad to play as, while not really nerfing her and instead just making her into a worse Soldier 76.
No more going for flanks, no more backlining, no more opportunism and watching from the shadows waiting for the perfect moment to strike, now you just stick to your team, still dealing ridiculous amounts of damage, sometimes do a slightly more daring dive to kill the enemy supports before throwing the translocator to run away.
Her main problems, mainly the insane damage from Virus and the annoyance of her negating your abilities, that's all still there, she's still awful to play against, but now she's also awful to play as. And even worse, now that she's gone there's no one to keep the Widowmakers in check, they just removed her natural predator and hoped she wouldn't completely destroy the ecosystem. Guess what, now we have a Widowmaker meta and a good Widow has the power to simply decide who gets to play or not. She's much worse than Sombra yet is treated as ok because she's slightly more difficult to play. Because here's the deal: Sombra's only dominant in low ranks where nobody knows how to deal with her, in high levels of play you need really good coordination with your team to really make use of all her potential.
I wasn't a Sombra main, but I fell in love with her character ever since her cinematic, she was really fun to play even if I was terrible at it. To see her butchered like this because Blizzard misinterpreted what people didn't like about her... feels like I'm straight back to League of Legends and I hate it.
Honestly, I am surprised no one really talks about this, but I think changing the effect of hack would be great to reducing the frustration she gives. I think that hack should world like a reversed Kitsune Rush; in that it reduces damage per shot, reduces healing per shot (or per second depending on healing source and reduces movement speed by a little bit.
This allows the enemy to still fight back or use escape abilities, reduce frustration of hack just being a big middle finger to half the roster, AND actually be easier to balance than current hack effect. All the devs can really do with current hack is cooldowns, how long it takes to hack and hack duration. With my idea, it would be all of that, but now you can also change how strong the effects are (for example it could be change easily from 20% to 40% reduced dps).
Fun fact back when OW2 came out when Sombra had that rework on launch hacking a health pack lasted for 60 seconds meaning that basically if you know all the health packs on the map and hack them all the enemy team can barely do anything especially if their supports die and its just them and the tank so around the time there they reduced it to 45sec now in the current present
i personally think that sombra's hack ability should be removed entirely because being able to disable anyones abilities on a 7 sec cooldown seems too overpowered. Of course you should keep her ult, because that takes some level of planning
Bro hacking is her whole thing. Also it’s one second. I main sombra and she is annoying, but I think her play style is fun.
@@SSoodaPoP i'm not saying get rid of the entire hacking theme in general, keep her ult for that exact reason.
look at KAY/O from VALORANT, his ult disables your abilities instead of having a buyable ability that does the same thing, even if it has a shorter duration. (not saying that OW2 and VALORANT have the same balancing though)
1 second of being hacked basically immobilizes the said target (for non mobility heroes) and add the fact that you take more damage while hacked makes a perfect scenario of hella annoying mayhem that you just have to live with or just don't play the game. i play tank occassionally, and have had many scenarios of going from 700 hp, to 0 hp in 2 seconds, all cuz of being hacked :/
Sombra might be annoying but at least she keeps widow in check. I would rather fight her than get domed as soon as I get back to point because widow is in fuck off nowhere and I cant get to her.
Sombra is one of my mains, since her introduction in OW1. I do enjoy playing her but her latest change is honestly the worst thing that they've done. If there is a Sombra on the enemy team, I switch to her myself and focus the ever living crap out of the enemy Sombra. I keep hacking her until she switches. It's the only thing that seems to work as of right now.
Also a Sombra main, the latest rework sucks and I absolutely agree with many of the complaints players have SINCE THE VIRUS REWORK.
Previously, she was a genuinely skillful hero, now she's a noob stomper
@@zc8673 It's really frustrating because I'm a Widow main, but I can't play her if there's a Sombra. She literally stops you from playing.
@@zc8673 Genuinely skillful lmao, she could still teleport away in the blink of an eye and her hack was just as bad as it is now, worse even because of the ability lockout duration
@@Aesy_Ford I was a top 500 Sombra main on console and she is not skillful even before the rework 🤣🤣🤣
Now she's not as strong I just play tracer but Sombra is so fun if you're low Elo. The skill in playing Sombra is if you can still main her in masters. That shit is HARD after the recent nerf or even before the 225 HP change
@@plumpydayzif you're a widow main you can still play her lol, position with your team more, they should know enemy is running som so if u stick around them she's less of an issue, use your mine, tag her when she tps, grapple, headshot her, you have options
Most good sombras will virus then hack or just virus and shoot, if any hacks first, they're pretty stupid and literally tells you where they are and if you're really good, just snipe them in the face there
Not saying she isn't strong, but she can definitely be dealt with even as a widow, just have a good team comp, tag her before she hacks and it cancels it
One time as sombra i accidentally didnt let the sigma ult all game but he was so pissed that he'd try to solo ult me so he let himself open to it by the end
You know how a tank sees a tank that counters them and switches off? That’s me on support when I see a Sombra. The instant o see sombra I swap to Kiriko, I’M GETTING THAT KILL
She’s not broken but dear gawd is she annoying
I hope you don't think counter picking is only for tanks...
That's good an emergency teleport just in case too unlike Moira which I've seen called the Sombra counter even tho one that's only really in a group which means that any other support can probably do better and two has hackable ult. I mean I can see why they would say that but I've seen more people throw a antinade and hit someone without any kind of telling than a Moira actually counter a Sombra with a higher chance than any other hero
@@theycallmeklutchkid if it were I wouldn’t have swapped.
Banger vid dude, as always. Youre a voice for my hatrids so thank you for that.
Its also the fact that the hack can disable abilities mid use like deadeye or a queen AXE SWING SOMEHOW and as a cass main i hate that
Many abilities can shut down both of those. Deadeye is literally easy af to counter in every elo (hence why it’s one of the worst últs, if not the worst) and axe hardly ever gets hacked on purpose. If ur mad about these things that’s honestly funny af. Skill issue
@davidperezvazquez7856 personally yeah alot of abilities can stop them and death also can but being "hacked" stopping an axe mid swing is crazy deadeye really isn't a physical object so I can't say much about that and deadeye kind of needs a buff also assuming I'm raging typing that and saying skill issue is cringe especially in a youtube comment section
@@starcast1 the mass of crybabies assembling in a comments section who refuse to get better and instead blame a balanced character is more cringe lmao
@davidperezvazquez7856 she's kinda balanced but I'm mostly here because it was on my recommended
@@davidperezvazquez7856 sombra stans are something else :0 nobody has fun playing against a sombra, there is a reason your in the minority of people who actually like sombra
Here is my idea. What if hack was the virus ability and you had to skill shoot it. You still have to leave cloak to fire it off so that forces Sombra to show herself. And maybe have translocator only start its cooldown if she isn't actively cloaked. Have it only start its cooldown when she is visible.
You can use Translocator to get your quick invisibility disengage, but if you use it to engage a target and uncloak to hack or shoot your smg you have to commit to that fight and wait for the cooldown before you can use it again. This way you have at least a guaranteed duration of time to punish her engagement if your or your team reacts. Either that or force translocator to share a cooldown with going uncloaked. A bit scummy of a rework, but it would at least be fair to counter her.
So is this going to be a new series?
Would you like it to be?
@@tdobarron1yes
@@tdobarron1 Can't speak for everyone, but I say yeah.
Remember ashes dynamite affects multiple people i think its balanced
I despise Widowmaker, the only other character that can just make the one-sided decision to not let you play the game, but at least I can respect the skill it takes to land shots. She still doesn't belong in this game, but a WM potg is at least somewhat entertaining to watch.
Sombra guarantees you won't have fun. A good Sombra will solo carry, but a bad one will still be an absolute pain in the ass.
It's like Teemo in League, a character that trades the fun of an entire team for the fun of a single player. Objectively toxic game design.
*a bad sombra is a minor inconvenience, dodge the virus, shoot her in the face, I can even do it with kiriko without cleansing myself*
This. I can't be mad at a Widowmaker because she LANDED the shot to my SKULL. If she was one shotting body shots then it'd be an issue. Even if I run up there's a chance I'll be sniped but not every Widow is that skilled.
Sombra didn't that level of skill and that's the main complaint. They fixed it yesterday though. Gave her invis a timer was a BIG step in the right direction and her being revealed is a constant thing now.
5:25 the golden freddy pose🤣
LOL
Great editing, Sombra should have to complete the daily wordle to hack people
as a sombra player i get the hate but i never spawn camp or focus on one player only
Hot take:
Every time I play Sombra, regardless of whom I target, the enemy turns around *the second a hack is done,* a healer immediately switches their target and the kill no longer happens.
The combo may be easy to do, but finishing the kill isnt nearly as easy when the target isn't alone *in a game that endorses sticking together*
You're right, it's almost like it's *a team game*
One of my big reasons for never having touched ow2 is because they changed Sombra's beacon to a throwable. It removes strategy and thoughtfulness. With the beacon I have to place it in a safe place that isn't too far from the action, and if I forget to place it when I recall I'm fucked. But the throwable seems dumb, you just ender pearl out. No strategy, no safety, just kinda dumb.
I absolutely adore the unadulterated rage directed at sombra you express in this video
what I think that overwatch players are being spoilt brats, I also play tf2. and there is spy in that game disguises, invis, high damage single shot revolver, and an INSTANTLY KILLING BACKSTAB with his melee. and let me tell you sombra is way easier to deal with then spy is because she can't disguise and its a smaller team size so she's easier to just gun down then walk away from all you need to do is WATCH FOR HER! be proactive and actually try to get the jump on sombra, before she's able to hack you like turning around to check if she's hacking you semi-reliably so she has less time to just walk by and steal your info, lead her into your team if she's coming after you she can't do anything against a tank if your already hacked, try to fight her head on without your cooldowns if your able to. she isn't a hard character to fight you just don't actually think about strategizing against her
How dare you! Telling the players to use their heads and common sense? Atrocious!
(I'm being sarcastic, I totally agree with you. Also spy sounds like a nightmare and infinitely worse by comparison)
how did i get here so early
I honestly miss the Old Sombra, she had that "If 2 trains leaves the station at 4:20pm, which one makes a sandwich by the time the 3rd train gets to the station"
The "joke" is, I miss it when you actually had to know maps/information/temp comp because the Camo and TL had a timer so you couldn't just afk 100% like she came these days.
As a sombra main, I can see all the complains you guys have here in the comments and I just gotta say; Sounds like a skill issue. Boop.
You're not alone in here. Boop.
More like issue with not making the same mistake as characters in horror movies.Boop.
I find it funny that mates ideas for balancing Sombra is just... OW 1 Sombra
Sombra main here. We also wish that invis wasn't permanent. Really hoping they change it up next season.
Also, what about giving Sombra the Moira right-click treatment and make it so you have to track with hack for it to go off? It would put a little more skill into her kit.
13:16 this. Watching from a distance while the enemy team spychecks is funny to us, and is literally what we want you to be doing. Cuz then you're not shooting our team or paying attention to them.
That's all she needs is more skill, her entire kit feels automated for what it is, like normally to achieve her level of flanking power you gotta learn genji or tracer who both take crazy mechanical skill and genji isnt even near as good as sombra, yet sombra just auto aims your abilities away, lands a giant projectile the size of tracers hitbox, and than spams a more tight version of tracers guns with better range.... if shes gonna give players that kinda power to be a one man army inna backline, while always having the advantage in 1v1s, than she needs compared skill to tracer or genji.
And I don't think moira beam will work, it needs to be a skill shot, it can have some forgiveness where if it misses it refunds half the cd back but its cc at the end of the day and on a dps as well, which they said theyd remove all cc from the dps role only to leave the automated dps cc ability 😂
sombra main as well, i hate the auto invis combine hack and virus again, increase hack duration
Maybe they also just added that. People can move out of the hack pretty easily...though those targets tend to already be in motion. Maybe just increase time needed to hack. Today she feels balanced.
Hot take for sombra: You could keep the ability to activate her teleport in the air but keep it on a timer. In Team Fortress 2, The Demoman has these sticky bombs that when launched (without side grades) takes a couple of seconds to activate, maybe could be done for sombras teleport. Maybe ya could add a little purple effect to let the sombra know she's able to teleport
15:17 800 ms is perfect for me to react and put a bullet through sombra’s head with Widowmaker without getting hacked even if I already can done that
Love the videos fam~ Glad to see you're knocking it out!
Thank you!
I mostly play support and when going against a Sombra I will usually go Lucio for spy checking (and hes my main) I can also sorta speed boost my teammates away from the sombra, Brigette as well I like to go for if she is just constantly in the backline, and Baptiste for the same reason Soldier and Torbjorn that you said in your video, when u realize u/ur teammate is being hacked drop the lamp then mow down Sombra.
Also I think making stealth similar to Spy from Tf2 would feel more fair I just find Spy so much less infuriating to play against then sombra because he has risk. (Tho I play Pyro mostly in that so I just constantly spy check too)
Depends about the Sombra players. Not everyone does same thing all over again.
As a Zen/Doom main, I wholeheartedly agree with all this, have my like and sub 🙏
I too miss the old translocator simply bc I loved camping it and waiting to solo ult her😭
As a top500 Zen and Doom, it‘s just cope from bad players. Sombra isn’t OP in the high elos where people actually know how to play the game
@@AntivenomOW Ah yes, let me play this trash game until I get to high Elos just to get sweated on. I miss Overwatch 1😢
@@TheMotivatedOneN64 skill issue and cope harder
personally i don’t think she’s that great, i play her a lot actually she’s probably my main, there’s too many counters to even make her viable she’s only good at getting flankers and low hp targets, sombra doesn’t do enough damage like kassidy, ashe, or solider to even get the same value and it shows in her stats, she usually has lower dmg on the board….cleanse removes all her abilities/value, she has to hack pylon before engaging, turret from sym or torb make it hard to engage….i don’t think she deserves the hate tbh….not being able to 1v1 her is kinda sad and it gives you are hard stuck bronze
Fact is, you're right. People hate her because she's more of a Disruptor than a Damage and this role (or subrole in this case) forces people to use their heads. OW2 player have a reputation for not acting like a team in a team game, always doing things like: running off on their own, ignoring teammates, trying to duel, protagonist syndrome, y'know single player mentality. (Ik this isn't everyone but it's a lot of players and they make a lot of noise)
And since Sombra's kit is perfect for punishing single player mentality then said players really hate it, and they scream and rage and spit hate at sombra in the chat. (The threats i've gotten jfc, sombra players are known for laughing them off and not letting it get to them but it's still beyond messed up)
as a sombra main torb is actually really tough to go against mostly because of his turret, because like you mentioned in the video the average human reaction speed isn't fast enough to hit sombra before she gets off hack, the turret does not have this issue. even if I decided to engage without hack the turret would still be an extra source of damage making winning duels harder, so it forces me to deal with turret first which could make me miss out on opportunities that could've been capitalized on had it not been there
I'm also a sliver player so maybe I'm just bad idk
sombra is goofy and just a gimic, a 9000h widow main is insufferable
nice vid grandpa
I liked the OG Sombra lol... It ain't the same...
I started playing overwatch a couple days ago. First, and only, character i developed some hate.
I understand right now im an walking skill issue, but it also feels like there isnt much counter play
Sadly the people in this comment section crying about sombra are also walking skill issues. They have refused to get better and actually use sombra counterplay, instead choosing to cry and blame their losses on the character and not their shit mechanics/game sense.
@@davidperezvazquez7856 Someone doesn't like people hating on their main.
@@iliveintrash5233 someone doesn’t like getting called out for being so bad they can’t turn around and group up 😭
@@davidperezvazquez7856 bro it's not even a skill issue. I can swap to brig & just by existing I counter one, MAYBE two dive characters. It's boring af though!!
I don't wanna babysit my fkn Ana all game & throw packs in the backline. That's boring af. Explain that.
@@shaheedroylance explain what? The inability for you to understand that OW is a team game? And that certain comps COUNTER other comps? That’s the reality of the game. If you decide to play 1 or 2 heroes exclusively and refuse to swap to help your team, you better be good enough with game sense and mechanics to make up for it. If not, keep whining and stay hardstuck. Also brig doesn’t just counter 2 dive heroes. She counters nearly every single one. That’s why she’s the anti dive support???
This guy gets shit on by Sombra so hard he had to make a 20 min video. I dont have a problem against sombra.
as a sombra main, i can confidently say that ALL of you are to blame for the way sombra is now. We WARNED you that she would feel 10x worse to play against after her rework, but yall just had to keep complaining about hack. Now instead of being locked out of your abilities for 1.5 seconds, youre locked out of your abilities for 10 seconds and have to walk back from spawn
So… complaining about hack led it to getting buffed? How’s that logic working for you?
@@FenekkuKitsune the point of the rework was to de-incentivize sombra from hacking by:
1. nerfing the cooldown from 4 to 6
2. making it so that she’s pulled out of stealth when she uses it
3. removing the damage buff it gave to sombra
4. adding virus as an offensive ability for engaging when coming out of stealth
People cried because of hack’s “oppressiveness” which led to it getting nerfed except the only reason you play sombra is FOR hack so they added virus to compensate for weaker hack, making her more lethal. So instead of being the mosquito thats constantly cancelling your abilities like she was before, shes the hornet that just appears and straight up murders you.
Do you get it now or do i have to dumb it down even further for you?
@@Flaco5609 Except nobody wanted the rework or any buffs like that. They wanted a straight nerf. They wanted hack to stop feeling like shit, and they barely changed it in that respect.
You're making it sound like the complaints are at fault, when Blizzard simply completely misinterpreted what people wanted. Even the Sombra mains hate the rework!
@@FenekkuKitsune You cant nerf hack without giving compensation buffs. Hack was already a lackluster ability and if you nerf it without compensation buffs, you completely gut sombra as a character. Its one of those abilities like cass nade and hog hook where you just have to accept it exists and deal with it. It only feels bad because most people are too shit at the game to know how to play around it and would rather cry to blizz because they cant handle learning different approaches towards different characters.
And guess what, they did exactly that and now we’re stuck with a sombra nobody likes ESPECIALLY us sombra mains.
Im all for dogging on blizz because fuck corporate america, but in this specific case it really was the community’s fault that sombra is the way she is now especially considering she was only reworked BECAUSE of community outcries.
So yea….. it fills me with joy when people hate message me for sweeping them off their feet with sombra. Yall made this bed so SLEEP IN IT.
@@Flaco5609 Hack is just a downright shit ability, I'm sorry, but Sombra can exist without it. Hell, remove Hack from the current iteration of Sombra and very little changes about her!
Honestly this argument is similar to the one about Widowmaker, she's so one-dimensional and so reliant on one mechanic that it's so fucking stupid!
I think a good way to balance cloaks in video games is to have it only work on players that are kinda near your crosshair. That way you have to aim, and there’s more strategy involved in having to know who you can and can’t be seen by
Sombra is necessary Evil in season 13 they Nerf her to the ground and look who is dominating widow. you can’t go a second without getting headshot. Is Worse then having a Sombra run around because at least you could kill the Sombra you can’t with widow because
she just sits in the back and one shots u and when you do get to the widow, her whole team looks for her and peels for her and heels her back to full.
To counter Sombra you simply need to play with your team or stop being isolated and when she comes to hack you. move away or shoot her. It that simple if you can’t do that it’s a skill issue.
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Spray and pray is the best solution against Sombra.
I think changing virus to be like previous hack where the target takes additional damage when shot, removing/reducing its damage, and slightly nerfing her primary fire to account for the new damage would make it take more skill and make her more balanced between high and low ranks.
I'm a Sombra main at low masters, I have to make no mistakes to make here work or not deleted instantly. Top Sombras almost never hack people because it takes too long to make it worth it.
Literally, you should see how she is in GM lmao
These low rank players how no clue what they’re talking about lmao
@@AntivenomOWYes we are low ranks, sorry about that crime
But it's not about being OP or strong, it's about being infuriating to play against
@@AntivenomOWYes we are low ranks, sorry about that crime
But it's not about being OP or strong, it's about being infuriating to play against
@@christhiantrevisan8084 If you‘re any good it‘s not infuriating
4:50 soldeirs helix rockets are a closer comparison than ashes dynamite tbh
I just play sombra cus she's hot :(
The only acceptable reason
Get yo head at yo ass
Slay star🤤🤤🤤
Based, she is the best girl
kinda valid, but Ashe, Widow, Tracer, and Pharah are RIGHT there. hotter AND less annoying
Btw as someone who plays ashe, ashes dynamite has a neat thing where if you toss it forward and hold the fire you will automatically shoot it as soon as you are able to shoot. the only downside is that its not as far as you would probably like dynamite to be but if someone is attempting to mow you down its a good tool to abuse
Sombra main here (+600hs between OW1 and OW2). The main thing that keeps me playing the hero is that the game is just played differently. You are not playing a hitscan or regular flanker who just shoots the enemy, but have to play actual chess ingame looking for oportunities and open windows for your team. In that sense, both versions of OW2 Sombra feel WAY worse to play (both as and, I believe, against) because she's pushed away from that dinamic. OW1 Sombra was not only the most fun imo, but also the most "fair" I believe. Her utility and longer silence duration in hack came at cost of her dmg and 1v1 capacity. If you hacked the wrong person or at the wrong time, most your value was gone. The 6v6 game also was healthier to deal with a Sombra, especially with 2 tanks which could peel for each other when one was hacked. She just acomplished the fantasy her character brought to the table. The first OW2 rework just took everything away to focus only on dmg, making her a more "Tracery" hero. Second rework gave her back some of that chess playstyle, but still not as good as 1v1. If I have to say it, I don't think (nor believe) Sombra should stop being hated in that sense, she's annoying, looking for oportunities, that's just the point of her character. Back in OW1 (and even at this moment with second OW2 rework) she was not the strongest hero at all. Heck, she used to be called a troll pick in OW1 (and sometimes in OW2 too). It's pretty similar to what happened to Mei, Orisa, Cassady or Doomfist when transicioning to OW2, comunity persepcion on "annoying" or "unfair" abilities took away some of the most creative ways to play the game, which differ from the classic GPS "just shoot the enemy" playstyle. I truly hope that, if we go back to 6v6, with 2 tanks and new supports with strong disengage as Kiriko or Lifeweaver, Sombra could go back to her last version in OW1, which I believe was both the more fun and more fair version she had since then. (And Mei too, truly miss her old playstyle, now she's just a Zarya with slow attached to her beam)
Btw you forgot to mention Sombra's secret passive taunt, where, if you dare play Sombra, the entire enemy team will priorize chasing you, killing you, teabagging you and shit talk in all chat, even if that costs then the game
All of that but in the end still unfun to fight
@@BrinySpy yeah, but that is kind of the point of what she means as a character, personality wise too! Kind of like how Yordles are annoying to play against in League, which fits their fantasy
@@Nicolas72617making excuses to play the game on easy mode
@Nicolas72617 I don't think that creating a character with the sole point of being unfun to fight against is a good design choice
I agree with the last part. You pick Sombra then its my mission to hunt you for the rest of the game
The new patch notes just dropped, and they did EVERYTHING you suggested in this video! You are a wizard my friend.
UNLESS you're bronze, silver and MAYBE plat, of course sombra is gonna sound OP... but in any other rank, sombra is so fucking weak. Yeah infinite invis sounds insane but, aside being able to get the "upper hand" what is sombra gonna do exactly while invis? she literally cant do anything while invis, and as soon as she steps out of invis, she has a voiceline that alerts the entire enemy team, and all shes got is a skill shot ability (virus) and petty damage to defend her self with. even translocator isnt a good "getaway" ability, hell it isnt even the best one in the game, and you wanna know why? because translocator has a trail effect that lets you know where sombra is gonna teleport to AND it doesnt make sombra invincible. Moria, reaper and kiriko have THE best getaway abilities in the game simply for just being able to be invincible and/or without any trail effects leading to where you are going.
also dont get me wrong about infinite invis, i think its stupid that blizzard even made it infinite in the first place, its op in lower ranks and so useless in upper ranks
He literally said in the video that the hatred from the character doesn’t come from her being OP, it comes from her being annoying
She can't do anything while invis? *Bruh she's invisible*
Not to mention the increased movement speed. Translocator is far from bad since it has a short cooldown and *she turns invisible again*
Maybe not OP but is easily the most annoying hero. (Also Reaper literally has to face the direction he's going and stand still for a few seconds)
Did you actually watch the video bruv. He specifically said she isn't OP, she's unfun to play against. If you enjoy being annoying that's fine but you don't need to write an essay to defend it lol.
It's not about being OP it's about being extremely annoying to play against, even when shes having 0 impact
Yapyapyapyapyap all you do is yap and yet miss the point.
I remember the first time I fought against a Sombra was me being confused about her abilities and power and me as Tracer blinking to cover to avoid her and hiding and me being surprised when Sombra found me and every time I got her down to low hp she disappeared or teleport away before ambushing me when I go find somewhere to hide again
TRUE I HATE SOMBRA every time I play support she just targets me and now every time I hear a sombra I act get PTSD and immediately turn around expecting to be hacked even when it's my own teamate sometimes
As a ball player, it is a MIRACLE if the first DPS death results in a sombra swap who stays invis all game.
as a support main
I play sombra when i get dps, and these changes you suggested have been the first i hear that i can mostly agree on (not sure about invis but i can see where it comes from)
I'm a Sombra one-trick, and I love the tears of other players. Their hatred only makes me stronger. BOOP
As a sombra player I think you need some context as to how I got here. It dosent matter what charecter I pick I learned some one always hates me.
When I started it was my first fps and people hated me cause I was bad. Then I got decent at mercy in OW1 and people said I had no skill and hated me. Then I got decent at Dva and people hated me cause of defense matrix. And then I got decent at brigette during goats and people hated me cause she was OP. And then I continued playing brig cause I love the paladin fantasy. When she was nerfed into the ground and people hated me for picking a trash charecter. When I got good at Symmetra or Mei people hated me. In the end I determined it dosent mater what charecter you play if you are doing well or doing badly people will hate you regardless.
So that brings us to today and I will gladly feast on your hacked tears for the years of pain you all caused me just for learning the game. You will suffer every tick of my virus as I have taken every ounce of your undeserved hatred. Your rage in match chat will fuel me further as I spawn camp you for daring to complain about me or your own team mate. I am a white hat hacker, if you spew hatred or rage at your team mate expect me for I will be there the silent hero that lives in the shadows of your worst nightmares. Also GGWP with
Ok you literally picked every hated character and then are complaining people hated you???
Is someone always hating on you too? :) Well, I have a similar story. I want to share my experience and opinion about this game. I don't think it will be about Sombra, but I hope you enjoy my story!
I’ve played many games like Warface, War Thunder, Apex Legends, Minecraft, and other less popular online games, but I have never encountered a community as dumb and toxic as the one in Overwatch 2. Of course, I don't mean all players. I started playing in the middle of Season 4 and almost immediately faced aggression from my team when I picked Mercy and started supporting them. Instead of just being a healbot, I boosted damage for my teammates, and once, a teammate told me to delete the game...
It’s not uncommon for people to curse or even wish death upon someone just because they think their teammate is playing poorly. Sometimes, they write in the general chat, asking both enemies and allies to report a player to get them banned, instead of calmly and kindly pointing out mistakes, giving advice, and helping someone improve.
Now, about the stupidity. I remember playing Ramattra, and a friendly Pharah kept complaining about me, even though I was matching the enemy Mauga step-by-step: we had almost identical stats in terms of damage, kills, deaths, and damage blocked. Both my team and the enemy team praised me for my play, but something about it still annoyed Pharah. I tried asking her what I was doing wrong, but she didn’t provide any arguments and just kept complaining.
When I played as Moira, I was doing my best to support my team. Once, my entire team got wiped out, and I was the only one left alive (I always try to survive instead of making reckless moves). Suddenly, our Genji called me an idiot just because I didn’t stall the payload. He wanted me to jump in alone against the entire enemy team to delay them so my team could get to the payload and contest it... Sure, I could have delayed them-for about 3 seconds-because I wouldn’t have lasted any longer against five enemies.
On the Oasis map, I was playing Ana, and everything was fine until the middle of the first round when a friendly Mei started complaining about our tank, saying he was playing badly. I checked the stats and saw that our Moira had dealt three times more damage than she had healed. I asked, “So you’re more concerned about the tank than Moira?” Mei answered, “Yes.” I didn’t continue the conversation. Rhetorical question: how could the tank feel confident if he wasn’t being properly healed and had minimal support? I couldn’t just heal the tank because I had two other teammates to take care of (I deliberately didn’t heal Moira, as I despise players who deal two or even three times more damage than they heal, except for Zenyatta). Sometimes, players complain that the support isn’t healing them but ignore how they’re playing. For example, Reinhardt charges deep into the enemy team and then complains that he wasn’t healed... And it happens repeatedly. Or DPS heroes, just like tanks, engage in fights they can’t win and then blame the supports.
Most of what I wrote happened in Quick Play. I can’t even imagine what goes on in ranked matches. In the end, I turned off all chats, and it was a great decision. :)
Play games for your own enjoyment and don’t let people ruin your mood. Games are meant to be fun!
P.S. This is my “short” opinion on this game and its... inhabitants. It’s a fun game, but most of the people are extremely aggressive. All the best! ;)
@@FenekkuKitsune Instead of learning how to play against annoying characters or using their counter picks, it's easier to keep complaining. I also hate Sombra, but what's stopping people from picking her counters like Reaper, Symmetra, D.Va, Winston, Moira, or Kiriko? I’m not going to list all the abilities of each character - people can learn it themselves.
@@Orcinusorca-l3g The issue is that a character shouldn't have to force a team to change to counter them. You HAVE to react to Sombra - and she gets value simply from being reacted to - and that's part of why she's so stupid and unfun to play against. A great example is Zen. People love playing Zen. But Zen is a very easy - stupidly easy - target for Sombra. So... How do you play Zen? You can't.
Now don't get me wrong, there are some situations in the game that do force changes. For example Pharah if she's good can force a DPS to change to a hitscan. But that's not ALWAYS the case, I've had many games where I've dominated a Pharah as Venture! And games where Doom's punched Pharah out of the sky!
Not Sombra though, in particular because even her supposed "counters" can very easily lose the fight just from a simple hack virus combo with a bit of aim.
@@FenekkuKitsune Yes, indeed. It will be difficult to deal with a random team, but if the team is assembled and plays like a true team or in a pre-prepared composition, then I don’t think there will be significant problems with Sombra
I agree with this video .cause i remember playing quick play with my friend and they didn't start out as sombra . Guess what went sombra cause they was getting curb stomped 😂😂😂 .
.......and lord behold they started spawn camping me and killed me twice 😡😡😡😡😡 i got fed up with her shit and went torb and finally got out of spawn chased her or him off me and they still lost why my team was pushing the robot and we won 😂😂😂😂😂 Thats a win for me fuck there kill count .
Why ppl say to not play her...if she's fun, her lore and stuff are great...being hated by enemies is actually nice cuz u get some ppl chasing u after u execute their support and this feels good even if they manage to kill u
Sombras hack is fundamentally broken BECAUSE SOME OF THE ABILITIES SHOULDNT EVEN GET HACKED
Also its predatory
hacking an old mans legs, a cowboys eyes, and a cowgirl from pulling out a shotgun is crazy
The golden freddy jumpscare at 5:25 made me chuckle
TL;DR: Thanks for finally going in depth about it and not just saying: "Ha Sombra sux."
Word Vomit: As a self proclaimed Sombra main since starting this game. (Back in 2017 - before shit fell off.) I wanted to say that I'd love to play this version of Sombra that you proposed and it could be satisfying to play her again. Believe me, I understand the hate. There are some nasty sombras out there who just target supports and squishies and call it a day when there was so much more value to her as a character back in 1. I remember when a well placed hack could turn a fight around, but the key was you had to be SMART about it. Nowadays finding those cheap 1v1s feels like the only way to have an impact.
I can promise that for as shit as she feels to be up against, it feels worse playing now more than ever. Especially with the slap in the face that IS virus, easy to hit but also easy to cleanse/combat with healing. Same goes for hacks.
As a more team based supporter Sombra, I get NO value because most of the time: healers and supports are right around the corner ready to undo whatever I try and pull (and yeah, sure skill issue. Whatever but hear me out.) Going ONLY after the supports is just mean- and I'd rather give them a chance to play the game. I want a CHALLENGE, hence why I like this version so much. It would finally be satisfying to play her in team fights again and give me less reasons to consider the "dark side" and go for those cheap easy wins.
Theres also counterpicking with brigitte for the supports, her primary as a melee attack has wide horizontal range and she gains health by doing dmg, so its a pretty consistent counter as a support
I love sombra but not as much as i want you ( i am madly in love with you)
I’m blushing
@@tdobarron1 🫶
I've always felt like Sombre could be really good in the support category, let me explain: you could have her damage reduced a bit, the translocator as it is (now with the invis bc of rework) but the biggest change being the hack, now being able to target allies, giving them a bit of health and maybe even a slight DMG boost, however the time to hack enemies would increase to something like 0.8 or 1s and EMP could do the same as hack just with reduced healing and boost to teammates
This made me want to play Sombra
Sometimes I do play her, but not in stealth mode with Cheaky Spawn Camp, I like to be aggressive with team, stand with them, give them support, and invisible get behind enemy teams to locate where they are. Is like a support more than a DPS.
I love sombra’s…. Character but absolutely hate her gameplay. I usually just stand afk when someone on the other team swaps to her.
This video is awesome man! Keep it up!!
Thanks!
She is as bad as counterwatch tbh
Specially bc she doesn't really have a counter and she counters everyone
@@cesar6447 genji, tracer, torb, soldier, brig, kiri, mei, cass, dva, zarya qnd etc...
@@ablepsia7136 how are any of those counters? You need one second to turn that tracer into a wet paper with 2 guns
imo most of the fun from this game is about thinking up strategies to overcome problems, I hate being hacked but I like the fact that it forces you to think out solutions and team up and actually pay atention to play the game effectively