Schubert: Große C-Dur-Sinfonie ∙ hr-Sinfonieorchester ∙ Manfred Honeck
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- Franz Schubert:
Große C-Dur-Sinfonie D 944 ∙
I. Andante - Allegro ma non troppo 00:00 ∙
II. Andante con moto 12:04 ∙
III. Scherzo. Allegro vivace - Trio - Scherzo 24:39 ∙
IV. Allegro vivace 34:29 ∙
hr-Sinfonieorchester - Frankfurt Radio Symphony ∙
Manfred Honeck, Dirigent ∙
Konzert ohne Publikum ∙
hr-Sendesaal Frankfurt, 20. Mai 2021 ∙
Website: www.hr-sinfonieorchester.de ∙
Facebook: / hrsinfonieorchester ∙
ARD-Mediathek: www.ardmediathek.de/hr/sendun... ∙
#4K
© 2021
Hessischer Rundfunk (hr)
When Maestro Honeck is on the podium he is never whimsical. So I trust him to present a well considered view of the music. What has he uncovered in the Schubert 9 with his brisk tempi, broad dynamic expanse, and well defined phrasing? Never before had I recognized that the work is built on fanfare rhythms just waiting to be heard. Melodies were now vocal instead of lugubrious. The interplay of the woodwinds was now playful, not studied.The finale's repetitive string motive became a light ornament. The whole became a joyous expression by a composer who as a child had lived through and survived Napoleon's investiture of Wien. To my ears Maestro Honeck has produced a victory symphony!
I shan't throw out the slower versions, but my goodness! Was this performance intentionally bracing and challenging. Honeck at his best - asking us to try something, asking us to think!
Nailed it! Thank you, I was struggling to describe how this is different than most interpretations we get. Since you like this, may I recommend Harnoncourt leading the COE.
@@MegaVicar Could only find Harnoncourt and the Wiener Philharmoniker. He finds nice motifs to bring out in the accompaniments. And the final chord diminuendo, Schubert's wish, is quite effective. Honeck and many others ignore it. Dvorak's New World also has a dying away final chord, but it is so famous that no one would dare to change it.
Absolut bravourös gespielt!! Diese Einspielung verleiht dem gigantischen Werk Schuberts höchste Majestät und Grazie!!
Was für eine Gestaltung im 3. Satz !. Für mich die bisher beste Aufnahme, die bei UA-cam verfügbar ist.
Andante - Allegro ma non troppo 00:08
Andante con moto 12:02
Scherzo. Allegro vivace - Trio - Scherzo 24:38
Allegro vivace 34:27
Woah, it’s Schubert on a caffeine high (too much Einspanner at the Viennese coffee house). I’m really enjoying the energetic interpretation though. It’s like an entirely different composition. This is a marvelous UA-cam channel and I appreciate the amount of work that goes into producing so many great performances.
Agree with you, the other recordings play it slower. Wow; this is lie hearing for the first time. Great👍
Das hr-Sinfonieorchester ist schon echt genial, wie auch die Ton- und Aufnahme-Techniker ;-)
This rendition makes me feel cheerful and happy. Cannot resist hearing it till the end. A new and welcome experience listening to this symphony. The comments not pleased with the tempo are missing the point. Bravo Honeck and Frankfurt Radio Symphony!
All the greatness of this extraordinary symphony is achieved by maestro Honeck and hr sinfonie orchester. Bravo, Bravo maestro...
I love this symphony.
Herr Schubert's great music is always excellent company on Saturday Mornings!
This conductor respects the Allá Breve in the first movement, which generally extends much longer because it is counted in 4 instead of 2 as Schubert intended.
I do not go a day without the enjoyment of listening to this orchestra, Have seen a lot of conductors and appreciated them all. Thank you.
Schubert's tempi - not a slog. Bravo
Forgot to mention those added timpani notes in the famous unison C's in the coda of IV. They even get their own camera shot. Hmm.
Manfred Honeck and Frankfurt do a marvelous job of bringing forth details and nuances I’ve never heard before in this work! If I had one nit-pick, the pacing is a bit brisk for my taste.
Schubert Grobe C-Dur Sinfonie - hr Sinfonieorcherster - Manfred Honeck
I’ll admit to not having heard this delightful piece of music before.
I will put it to play again.
Both Conductor and the Orchestral Musicians are demonstrating such a wonderful performance.
It’s a pleasure to listen to such talented musicians.
They look 👀 as though they’re thoroughly enjoying what they’re doing.
It’s “große” (great), not “grobe” (coarse/rough). 😉 The Beta looking thing “ß” is actually like a double s sound used when the preceding vowel is long. On an Apple device you can get it by holding down the s key.
I'm obsessed with the last movement (4th 34:27). Specially at 36:06. So beautiful
Es ist immer eine große Freude die " Große Symphony " von Franz Schubert mit solchen Weltklassigen Orchester wie Orchester der Hessischen Rundfunk unter der Leitung Manfred Honeck zu hören !
Ich möchte mich mit einigen vielleicht interessanteren Gedanken über diese 9 Symphony umtauschen. 1.Satz .Die Takten 518 -530.So natürlich, nicht künstlich verwendeten DES-MOLL (!) gibt es kaum noch in der Symphonysche Musik bei anderen Meisterwerken zu finden. Die Posaunen Solo klingt in diesem DES-MOLL wie "der Ruf " aus anderer Welt. Mysteriös. Es wehre eine gute Frage an einen Dirigent, hört er diese Musik Episode tatsächlich im DES-MOLL? 2. Die letzten 4 Takten in der Finale.(4Satz )
Bei vielen Interpreten werden diese 4Takte ohne Deminuendo gespielt. Interessant, in einigen Dirigirpartituren steht Fortissimo mit Deminuendo! Gute Frage ,was in früheren Ausgaben dieses Werkes kann man sehen? Diese Deminuendo macht den Charakter des Finales anders! Es klingt dann nicht nur die "himmlische Freude " sondern auch der Wille der Welt noch nicht verlassen.
Zu dieser Zeit wusste schon Schubert
das er nicht so lange leben wird. Dieser musikalischen Asdruk der genialen Komponisten können wir dann in der Harmonie, in der wiederholten Unisono " Schläge" bei Streichen Instrumenten in der Koda
vollkommen zu begreifen.
Es war wunderbar, einfach nur sehen zu können
Love the fast tempo! Clear conducting, all instrumental voices coming through clearly! Perhaps the 'real Schubert' is more classical, less romantic, as this performance exemplifies.
Energie-Spannung-Entladung: tolle Interpretation 🌹🌹🌹drei Rosen für jede Musikerin und Musiker; ebenso für den dynamischen Maestro
Ok
@@antonietaalvarado8024 where are you from? I‘m from Berne Switzerland
This piece healed a broken-hearted 15-year-old me, when I was a fragile young man.
That is truly a great interpretation. First I thought, probably little bit to fast, but far from it, he managed to emphasize parts of the score, that never really came to my attention:
e.g. 22:07 the arpeggio in the violins first staccato then pizz. Beautiful!
or 16:16 the line in the Celli with trill. So enlightening!
Nice performance. I like the brisk pace, especially the second movement.
ESPECTACULAR interpretación de la Novena Sinfonia "La Grande" compuesta por F. Schubert por esta prestigiosa orquesta con sede en Frankfurt dirigida magistralmente por el austriaco Manfred Honeck. BRAVO !!! Saludos desde España.
Such an energetic rendition! Thank you
Wonderful this piece by Schubert.
I like very much Orozco Estrada version but this one, a little faster, is also stunning! I wonder which one would be the best for Schubert. Once more thanks for this wonderful upload I am getting addicted to this channel
Beautiful. I love Honeck's engagement with the orchestra and clearly gets a 'wonderful response from the players. Have always felt this symphony is like flowing river carrying us along like life itself. Every time I hear it though there is sadness for me that the great Schubert never heard it played
Weiter unten wieder die immerwiederkehrenden Bemerkungen "zu schnell" oder "Tempo falsch".. Das ist doch vollkommen egal, solange die Tempowahl über das Werk stimmig ist. Wir leben in einer anderen Zeit wie die Komponisten,habwn andere Ohren, haben daher ein ganz anderes Gefühl für Tempo. Wenn etwas schnell gespielt wird, und daher die Exaktheit minimal verfehlt wird, ist das nicht schlimm, es kann im Interesse des Ganzen notwendig sein. Dann ist Energie wichtiger als Präzision.
Wobei bei dieser Aufführung beides auf hohem Niveau ist. Hinreißend wieder, mein Lieblingsorchester :-). Kompliment an Herrn Honeck. Hoffentlich auf bald im Sendesaal.
Excelente! Amo Schubert. Regência sempre ímpar de Honeck.
Bravo!👏👏👏👏👏 Wonderful performance! Fantastic interpretation! This makes me think that what Maestro Harnoncourt once said of himself, may also be true of Maestro Honeck; “Schubert is closest to my heart.”
An enormously enjoyable piece beautifully played.
Thanks
Wspaniały koncert. Dziękuję bardzo.
Bravissimi orchestra ottima direttore.... bravo
Viel, viel Dank! Bravo!
Si bien me gustan algunos grupos o canciones de determinados géneros musicales.... es sólo con la música instrumental de los grandes clásicos la única que puedo escuchar cuando me siento saturado por acciones o pensamientos cotidianos; en verdad esta música es una gran bocanada de "oxígeno": me libero en ella mientras siento como siente y viajo mientras viaja por todo lo que he y hemos sido... es como permitir que alguien viva mi vida y ejecute sus acciones mientras puedo sumergirme y relajarme en la corriente del pensamiento... del sentir por existir: LA AMO.
I'm struck by the difference between an empty hall and a full one, but I can't find words to describe the difference. I guess one is that the sound is not absorbed in an empty hall. It's a more stark sound. Very clear and it seems even more precise.
I love the nyancing and phrasing, especially in the Scherzo! Lively and exciting performance - and both the audio and video quality are as well phanomenal! One of the greatest symphonies ever written without a doubt, thanks a lot!
Magnífica versión de esta sinfonía .Gran fuerza , excelente ejecución y dirección de la orquesta❤️
SUPERBE , SANS PAROLES , MAGNIFIQUE SCHUBERT , A GENIE MERCI PER DU PARTAGE
Bravissimo!! 👏👏 Thank you so much for sharing it! 🤗
PERTINENT COMENTAIRE , BAISSER
Thanks for the performance!
Superb Schubert. Bravi
Listening in 2022, these pandemic performances are so emotional. But they are beautiful. Thank you FSO for carrying on!
great performance! thank you. greetings from Brazil.
Magnífico, melhor som do meu início de tarde
Many thanks!
28:28 meu trecho preferido. Consegue-se perfeitamente ouvir o solo das madeiras muitas vezes encoberto pelas cordas em outras tantas gravações. Boa iniciativa do maestro de tentar uma performance tão diferente da de Furtwängler, que ainda permanece como um marco mesmo quase 70 depois. Honeck conseguiu um bom resultado. A orquestra mostrou que é capaz de tocar mesmo nesse andamento super rápido. BRAVO!!!
Splendida!!!
Manfred Honeck is a great conductor, at last. After listening him for a couple of years with the Swedish RSO etc, I was not so convinced. Keep on your good work with the Frankfurters, who are now on a significately better level than they were.
최고의 연주!
Super !!
After such a fantastic, beautiful, expressive performance, it is really amazing that the audience was not moved in any way. No applause. It is the first time in my 60 years of going to concerts and now enjoy them through the web that the audience is either missing or cold as ice. I don't understand.
The hall was empty due to coronavirus.
Unfortunately COVID has truly destroyed many cherished things of culture. The elites have planned this for a long time, and now they get their wish. Don’t believe me? Then why don’t the arts have more government funding or private funding by rich individuals?
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Primorosa execução, com a imponência, precisa e ousada; foi de tirar o fôlego rsrs
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best for reading time
Endlich 'mal das richtige Tempo in der Einleitung.
１番好きな交響曲で、私にとって生きる希望そのものです。
12:04 2nd movement | 24:40 3rd movement | 28:29 elegance section begins | 30:09 elegance climax
34:29 4th movement | 37:34 magical | 39:57 ta da da | 41:25 dance | 42:52 magical |
Honeck zählt 2 statt 4 im ersten Satz, wie Schubert es komponierte. Das macht den Satz viel Agiler als sonst.
Ottima esecuzione. Grazie
The second part seems to me far faster than usual. But the fist, though “alegro non troppo” is in right tempo.
In Schubert's time or van Beethoven and other contemporaries were all the movements faster played. The romantic approach of today were not the same in those times, I'm pretty sure of it and the instruments were not exact the same like the actual ones.
Remember Schubert's Symphony was rejected by both the wiener's and the English.....it was Schumann and specially Mendelssohn's achievement to rescue it.
I have no problem with the tempo, but I think a faster tempo calls for closer and less reverberant miking, and a slower tempo works fine with the reverberant miking. The clarity gets a little lost with the fast decay of the notes.
The last movement sounds more like a train bowling along than anything specially composed - and it was written by someone who never saw a train!
Berlioz took that even one step further. Just listen to Tuba mirum from his Requiem alongside to the launch of Saturn V. It sounds almost the same. 🙂
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I really like most of Manfred Honeck's renditions...his recording of the Dvorak 8 with the same orchestra is one of my faves! But this is too fast! In the last movement, you cannot hear the violins properly with their crazy short notes. But as the slow movement is so 'con moto' and so less 'andante' that the last movement has to be that fast in order to prevent the symphony from being too bottom-heavy. Sorry, for me it is back to Wand and Abbado for the Schubert 9
This is definately not too fast. These are HIP tempi, everything else is too slow.
I just heard excerpts and the tempi are not the issue. What I take issue with is looking at the length of the video it tells me that he ignores ALL the repeats.
If you observe them all, at that speed the symphony should take an hour.
@@Quotenwagnerianer That is not true; a HIP performance does not mean it has to be taken at speeds where the grandeur of the piece is lost (IMO). I measured the time taken by Honeck in the exposition of the outer movements (2:40 and 3:33) and the parts of the scherzo that are repeated (3:50), which together add to a lil bit more than 10 mins. The whole performance lasted 45 minutes. So even if he had taken all repeats, the performance would have lasted around 55 minutes.
I consider Mackerras' performance of the same piece with the Philharmonia as the benchmark of HIP performances of this symphony. Mackerras clocks at 59 minutes. Norrington, I think, goes a bit faster and finishes it in 58 something minutes. This performance is a good 3 something minutes faster than some of the renowned HIP recordings of this symphony. So this performance is too fast! Period!
As for the lack of repeats in this performance, not taking repeats in the finale is common. He should have taken repeats in the first movement, at least. However, he was smart IMO not to take the repeats in the scherzo after such a fleeting second movement. The scherzo would have become the longest movement in the symphony, and the whole balance between the movements would have gone out of the window.
am also a huge fan of Honeck but yes it seems rushed to me. even the first movement.
If you cant hear the "crazy short notes" (you probably mean the eighth-triols and tremolos), then listen more carefully. I agree, that the take on that is quite fast, but it's so crisp that the effect is amazing and nothing of the composer's intention is dismissed. In fact the speed of the last movement enables to even better understand connections within the instruments and motivs, imho.
Strange that you only focus on technicalities like the time-measures of the movements. C'mon try to listen and understand the music Schubert has given us.
@@brahmsianer5899 As you have been so supportive of this interpretation, by this previous text as well as multiple others in the text, I actually tried listening to it several times over the last few weeks. I donno man, as of yet it hasn't grown to me...you are right that you hear sections here (especially in the accompanying musical lines) that you don't in other performances and the sound quality is pretty amazing. However, the overall trajectory of the second movement (especially) gets lost. Every musical moment becomes kinda equalized, if it makes any sense. For example, in the section just before that scary disonant climax there is a sudden key change which leads to the climax. In other performances, the sense of alarm and approaching doom seems more palpable which i feel arises from the leisurely tempo. Here the climax came and went. It sounded great, was perfectly executed but didn't do anything emotionally for me.
I guess Schubert's ninth can be interpreted either as the first complete mature symphony by an young, ambitious musical genius or as the final grand symphonic testament of a person whose days are numbered. This performance seems more aligned to the former, which i have slowly come to understand ig (thanks to you). However, I still seem to prefer the latter approach. Just my subjective opinion. Cheers.
good SPEED!❣️
I like this perform very much
實在太美妙了！
Manfred’s interpretation is just great
Certainly a bracing performance! Does anyone know if Oswald Kabasta conducted this symphony and his timings? Reason I ask is because his Bruckner is faster than we are used to now. Perhaps Honeck is hearkening back to some earlier 20th Century concepts?
44:05 Did Honeck rewrite the timpani part?!
I love Manfred Honeck. The tempo here is a smidge too fast. Manfred, try the decaf. :-)
와씨 장난 아니네
Wow @28:88 sounded like Smetana's Moldau
44:04 Was sollen an der Stelle diese Paukenschläge (noch dazu offenbar mit Gummi-Schlägeln, die es zu Schuberts Zeit wohl noch gar nicht gab)? Das steht so nicht in der Partitur. Offenbar Honecks Eigenmächtigkeit, um kurz vor Schluss nochmal ordentlich Effekt zu machen.
Da bleibe ich dann doch lieber bei Günter Wand: ua-cam.com/video/bKbaO1PAi0Q/v-deo.html
Marlon Brando is alive!!!
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슈베르트 교향곡 9번
Lebhafte und wunderschöne Aufführung dieser romantischen und perfekt komponierten Sinfonie mit gut phrasierten doch perfekt vereinigten Tönen aller Instrumente. Der zweite Satz klingt besonders schön und echt lebhaft. Der intelligente und unvergleichliche Dirigent leitet das ausgezeichnete Orchester im relativ schnellen Tempo und mit künstlerisch kontrollierter Dynamik. Einfach wunderbar!
Even faster than Gardiner's. A bit hectic.
Für die richtige Kleiber-Ästhetik muss der Dirigent sehr groß erscheinen und ganz lange Arme haben. Die Musiker dagegen sehr klein. Wie auf dem Bild Madonna mit dem langen Hals von Parmigianino.
Orchestra looks small. Not enough strings.
ベームの旧版、新版、いずれも良かった。
Der zweite Satz ist viel zu schnell.
Not a favorite among many orchestra musicians. They sometimes refer to it as the Grate rather than Great. They say it’s way too long and repetitive. Have to admit, it’s not one of my favorites, either. This was a good rendition as it went by faster than usual.
It's too FASSSTTTTTT!
If there are no bows in the air on the video screen youtube deletes your video forever.
Hello fellow oboist and composer (although I am amateur at both).
Dejlig musik med et flot tema……
Is so beautiful.
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1:15 Really? Is someone really throat singing into the microphone? That's so stupid.
Tadellos!
The tempo does not suit at all the grandeur of the music. He makes this majestic symphony sound trivial.
Too fast!! What is the rush??Are we try8ing to "excite" the audience... to not 'bore' them?? The music has its own inherent tempo and rhythm
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The interpretation sounds like the conductor just wants to get it over with.
Most certainly not 😂
Poor violinists,, tendonitis for weeks to come
Must be a union job: everyone’s in such a rush to get it done with and get out of there.
It’s a shame - would have been so much more enjoyable to stick around a bit and listen to the music.
Das Notwendigste, das Härteste und die Hauptsache in der Musik ist das Tempo. W. A. Mozart
Dieser Maestro lässt das arme Orchester viel zu schnell spielen. Schade um die schöne Symphonie...
Mozart hätte es vermutlich gefallen. Diese Exaktheit war zu seiner Zeit wohl nicht möglich. Aber wer weiß das schon.
Etwas leichter heller und im Fluss bleiben …..