Reacting to Epic the Musical (Underworld & Thunder Saga)
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- That you all for all the support and comments in the last to reactions for Epic the Musical! I can't wait to react to the new songs that come out later! This section of the reaction stream was heavy but an amazing story so yes I do get a little emotional but hopefully y'all are ok with my Immersion in this Story. If you enjoyed this video please hit the Like & Subscribe button below! Hit the bell button because I don't have a set schedule on when I upload videos! Go and support the original creators of both the Animatics and Singers (Jorge Rivera-Herrans) who created an amazing videos and stories! I hope you enjoy and i'll see y'all in the next video!
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Crying when you have a strong emotion is positive - you're allowed to have emotions ❤
@@aquakittykat ❤
Jorge’s imagining of sirens is that when someone hears their song, they can tap into the person’s memories and thoughts. But since Odysseus’ hearing is blocked by the beeswax, she got information incorrect, such as him having a daughter instead of a son.
I think the problem is that more of them *might* have died if they chose to fight Scylla... But Odysseus made the conscious choice to - without their knowledge or consent - consign six of his men to their guaranteed deaths.
Honestly better to be sacrificed unknowingly than to know that you were picked either by lady luck or by arbitrary decision of the ones you considered brothers.
@@Schinak that's debatable I feel some would prefer to know so they can prepare emotionaly and say their final goodbyes
@@Schinaksoldiers probably prefer to go out fighting. ESPECIALLY Greek soldiers, there's honor in dying on the battle field, but not in being sacrificed or left to die of your wounds
@@soulbound2 How would you emotionally prepare someone to learn that "hey, ill sacrifice you to scylla" and an even better question is the final goodbyes, to who exactly? Their fellow brethren? sure but these soldiers are prepared for their comrades to die, goodbyes arent exactly a norm nor a requirement. From a moral standpoint ody was wrong but life isnt purely morality.
@@konvex69 by actually telling them about what Scylla is, what her cost is, and what would happen if they don't comply, that being Poseidon appearing and slattering them all.
With a cold head, things probably wouldn't have resulted in a mutiny since they would likely understand their options are. Lives of 43 men or only 6. The Crew might not want to choose or die, but some do have to comply eventually. Probably those who don't have a family would have to die, but the ending result of Scylla wouldn't have resorted to Mutiny, Thunder Bringer or Odysseus being trapped in the island for 7 years or the death of the other 36 men.
The most fucked up thing about Scylla is that Ody was the only one who knew. Cuz he was the only one who "heard" the siren say anything about her.
One of Ody's big character flaws is that he has poor communication skills when it counts. He gives orders and doesn't elaborate until it's too late and everything has already blown up in his face. We see it here in Mutiny, and we see it in Keep Your Friends Close. It was Ody's failure to communicate what the deal with the bag was that lead to it being opened, and arguably his failure to inform the crew or at least Eury of Scylla that led to things blowing up in their faces.
Eury has proven himself more than willing to sacrifice men before at Circe's island. He was adamant, even. That blatant lack of trust from Ody to tell him these important things has only led to more and more guilt on Eury's conscience, until he couldn't take it and made a stupid mistake like killing the cow.
Oddyseus literally told the crew "Its dangerouus, Don't open the bag, it has the storm inside"
@@sofialu226 Yeah, but from what we can tell, he only told two men that. Not Eury, and not the full 600. We only know for sure that he told the 2 who spoke to him when he first came down. Even then, he said they can't allow the treasure rumor to fly. Which more or less just means "shut up don't talk about it" or something along those lines.
The point is, he should have been more direct and clear. He wasn't. Just because the bag has the storm inside doesn't mean opening it will bring back the storm. It's a safe assumption to make, but there's no guarantee that's the case other than his word.
For all they know, "the storm is trapped inside" and "it's treasure" can go hand in hand. The storm, in the bag, is being turned or has been turned into treasure. In both those interpretations, the storm is a non issue. Therefore, it'd be fine to open.
Even then, even if they assume that Ody is telling the truth, and even if they assume the storm will come back, they have no reason to know or assume that opening it would have such disastrous effects such as LITERALLY tossing their ENTIRE FLEET through the air WHO KNOWS HOW FAR from home.
Not to mention, Eury is the one who opened the bag, and it's safe to assume he knew NOTHING. Meaning that Ody told him nothing.
Again, lack of trust and failure to communicate. They damned them to a longer journey, and they damned Ody to mutiny and the tragic loss of all the rest of his crew.
@@colt1903 The Chorus/Echo after "Don't let the rumor Fly" was of more than two men.
I'm pretty sure he told at least to most, and even if Eurylichus wasn't one (which would be weird, he is the second in command and Oddyseus best friend, it would be weird not telling him to ask for his help controling the crew), he should have ask Oddyseus what was it. But even if he asked and Oddyseus didn't respond. Why did Oddyseus, second in command took the bag from his sleeping king and captain??
I still think most did hear Oddyseus, so the thing is, none of them who heard stand for two seconds and realize how they had this crazy storm for days stopping them from advancing until Oddyseus got to talk to the wind God and casually the storm desapeared right after, and their Captain and King told them "The storm is in the Bag, Don't Open it, is Dangerous, don't let the tressure rumor fly", and how they had 9 of the most calm and perfect weather getting closer and closer to home??
And EVEN with the rumor, Eurylichus, second in command, didn't control the crew and was actually the one who opened it desobeying their King and Captain's orders? They were so close to home, yet they chose to Sneak to their sleeping Leader and Open the Bag instead of maybe waiting to reach home to ask again about it or something
@@sofialu226 Your comment is kinda confusing. You make it sound like you don't know Eury opened the bag, but looking back at what video this is, that should be impossible.
@@colt1903 I know he opened it, I'n criticizing him for it. Maybe I explained myself bad since English is not my first language.
I was talking about you saying maybe Eurylichus didn't know what Oddyseus says about the bag, but knowing or not, he still sneak on his King and Captain opening the bag
The current theory of the choir (As Jorge isn't saying what it is) at least the phrases here (17:30) is this:
Siren Song
Scylla Throat
Mutiny
Lightning Bolt
Which lines up with the 4 threats of the Thunder Saga, which are Sirens, Scylla, the Mutiny and Zeus.
he did say what it was before act 2 came out, someone guessed and they said only one of their guesses were right. and by elimination we can be sure the last phrase says “kill all the suiters for love”
In Jorge’s UA-cam shorts he did confirm the lyrics for the choir
He also shared that in the livestream at the end before he signed out
That's not the theory, that's the confirmed lyrics by jorge. The theory one's were different. I have seen NO one guess it right, except someone on reddit gueesed lightning bolt.
Jorge telling the lyrics:
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@malenejensen02 Ah. Couldn't find the source so I thought it was just the best guess
Fully expect someone already said this but I'm blind so ...
Oh he chose ONE of the six... he told him to light the torches in the first place.
@@leadingblind1629 😦😨 Oh.
"Eurylochus, light up six torches"
Then he has the GALL to say "Don't make me fight you, brother" bro??? You tried to get him EATEN
@@anaflores1960 Well being Eaten by a monster is different from Fighting the King who trained pretty much every on the ship 😂
@@anaflores1960 If we were to try and objectify morality then Eurylochus's actions got 500+ men to the underworld. From what ive seen Eury has no remarkable qualities even in his position as second in command in the context of jorge's epic.
@anaflores1960 by that logic you think he intended eurylochus to hold all 6 torches himself. No he asked someone to light up torches. He didn't ask him to hold a torch
Behind the scenes of ‘Suffering’- sirens in Epic can reach your memories, but they can only get full stories if their songs stay there long enough. “Penelope” didn’t, so she only got fractions of Odysseus’ memories- he has a kid with a wife named Penelope who he missed very much. However, the viola, Penelope’s instrument is missing, replaced with the voices of the sirens, and an instrument she found from someone else he loved
A mallet.
Polites’ instrument
OdyPol nation stays winning, lol
Technically he made Eurylochus choose who was sacrificed.
@@rhianbeam1766 But Eury didn't know what was going to happen to those who held a torch so it doesn't have that same effect as someone pointing at a friend and going, "Throw him overboard."
@@ThatOneGuyPlays to be fair in cases where survival is the only thing that matters, humans have time and time shown that ruthlessness is the key. The biggest evidence of this is ancient humans. We werent as strong as bears or lions, not as fast as cheetas, not as small as insects or rabbits, not as lethal as snakes, and our fragile bodies were a target for diseases. The only reason we were able to survive was the ability to have no remorse when it came to actions. In fact humans became more like animals because animals were extremely territorial. The reason we are so strong is because we are weak. While lions sharpened their claws, we sharpened our minds, as it was the only weapon we had. And now we are the true apex predator.
Odysseus did choose one of the men for scilla to kill. Eurilicus (sorry cant spell tonight)
In the official annimatic (when jorge releases the sagas he does a live stream and commissions small animatics so not the whole song just bits. ) Odysseus tell euri to lught six torches. Meaning that euri will be holding them. In the animatic he realises that men are being sacrificed but not how, gives his torch to some crew member to help others. By number 5 the torch beong the target clicks he runs back to save the man he gave his torch to. Only to watch that man get taken. In the myth she has the body of a normal woman but her legs are 6 heads on tenticles with a dogs head between each tentacle at where it joins with yhe body
Next saga, Wisdom Saga (only audio) comes out on August 30!
@@alexeysimushov4971 I'm still debating whether to wait for animatics or try and listen to the songs and peice them together myself 🤔
@@ThatOneGuyPlays No pressure, I am just reminding you
@@ThatOneGuyPlaysthe creator does livestreams, this one is at 10 pm on august 29th, but you could watch that livestream, it has lyrics videos and important parts get animatics, so you would get the full story
0:05 Not for long! The next Saga releases on the 30th!
Fun little fact since all the crew build their ears with beeswax none of them know that that's the only way to get home the only person that knows is Odysseus
Also the reason why she didn't know all these little facts is because the siren song couldn't completely penetrate his ears and into his mind due to filling his ears with beeswax so she didn't have all the information she knew that he had a wife and that he had a kid she didn't know what gender the kid was
Also at the very end of different beasts if you haven't noticed they change words the crew is singing from "WE are different Beast now" to the words "HE is a different Beast now" the change from weed to heat after he said something about cutting off the sirens tail is a really good feature on Jorge's part when he was riding the song
I believe one of the lines from the OG Odyssey is about how drowning is the worst way to die when you're at sea, cuz that means you can't go to the afterlife.
That, or it was starvation, which makes the whole killing the cow thing make more sense, even if it is in a "if we're gonna die regardless, I'd choose to die from not starvation" type way. Which was more or less the way it was portrayed in the OG, but still.
It's heavily implied in the Odyssesy that killing the cow was an act of suicide as well, so that would make sense.
The way I see it Odysseus sees the Cyclops as a monster because he killed his friends while the Cyclops sees Odysseus as the monster because he killed his friends which were the Sheep so either side is always going to see the either side as the monster so regardless there's monster in everyone that's what I think
Someone will always see someone else as the monster and see them selves as the person rightfully taking action against the monster
@@briannapadilla7622 it is by nature selfishness. And thats good, i hate how everyone thinks selfishness is negative. Although generally it is wrong, in the context of survival its key. Rightousness doesnt get you food. stealing and killing does. Its an unfortunate truth that is born because we humans can only see what our eyes and ears gives us. If we were to see through other people's eyes then this sad truth wouldnt be real.
Eurylachus imo had the most reason to open the wind bag. For 9 days Odysseus didn’t trust anyone with that bag. If he should’ve trusted anyone, it was Eurylachus.
@@stiletteleray1326 HE TOLD EVERYONE WHAT IT WAS!!!😤😤😤
(Not mad at you Just Stating Facts 😂)
@@ThatOneGuyPlaysOdysseus is not a hero. He is a prideful man puppeted by the gods. He clearly treated that bag like it was treasure. Greece was heavily influenced by Democracy and they all should’ve been a lot more involved than Odysseus let them be. I do not want a leader who chooses the sacrifice without being honest about the situation. That leads to tyranny and is why the crews doubt is justified.
@@stiletteleray1326 Never said Ody WAS a hero. Quite literally, HE'S JUST A MAN. One who got his soldiers through the war of troy, but recently failed against a monster. (This is info I got from Epic the Musical. I have not read the Odyssey) My point being Odysseous has already proven that he is a smart leader, His 2nd in command just let his curiosity kill not just the cat but also 557 men. (Also Ody's fault for giving his name away)
@@stiletteleray1326 You have the stupidest take lmao.
1. The reason Odysseus has all the rights to decide is because although you are right that greece liked democracy, they also liked a military-like hierarchy for soldiers meaning loyalty and obedience to people who outrank you. In this context they are SOLDIERS not citizens of a nation so its more than fair to say that it is more relevant than democracy.
2. They also had no reason to doubt ody as before the cyclops NONE of them died.
3. He also has more information than them regarding the wind bag. Are the crew so stupid that theyd believe the winions rather than their own captain? if so how would you go about justifying that?
4. Ody is "prideful?" What a shallow characterization. He is cunning and deceptive. The closest thing ody said to prideful is at the end of "my goodbye" and even then it was to honor his dead comrades and teaching the cyclops a lesson so to call it prideful is insane since it wasnt even entirely selfish.
5. "He clearly treated that bag like it was treasure" How was it supposed to treat it? just let it sit on a table? or have a friendly discussion on whether or not he should let his comrades open the bag when the evidence leans towards on it being a bad idea?
6. Its only tyranny when the result only benefits the person in question and exploitative of the lesser members. What was so tyranical about keeping the crew safe? To remind you the nature of the crews actions were greed and curiosity while ody's was security.
7. The crews doubt is not justified but understandble
The sheer hypocrisy of Mutiny is so infuriating. They kill the cows and then they expect Odyseus to sacrifice himself for their worthless lemming lives. Who was it who said that if they want all the power they should take all the blame just MINUTES before they make the most wanted list for Helios and Zeus?
@@Schinak That I Absolutely Agree With...It still hurts that in the end Ody didn't want to do it even when his Brother's turned on him 😭
@@ThatOneGuyPlays Because Ody was never a monster to his backstabbing pack of hyenas. Even the scylla situation was a necessity rather than something he enjoyed doing.
i think you're forgetting these characters are extremely human... it's pretty obvious to me eurylochus didn't *really* think odysseus was gonna choose them cause caring about penelope more than his men was literally his reason for going ahead with the mutiny in the first place. but of course it's still gonna hurt if your friend (and possibly brother-in-law) agrees to have you killed, no matter the circumstances. by the time eurylochus killed the cow they were starving, exhausted and had already accepted they were never gonna make it back home so they saw a god's punishment as a better death than anything else, though obviously when they're faced with the consequences they realize they don't actually want to die. that's why they attack him and why they plead their case at all.
eurylochus does take all the blame in a sense by dying with the crew for his mistakes. i think the problem here is that you were expecting him to just go down quietly while apologizing for his mistakes which would never happen.
also it doesn't matter if scylla was a necessity, if you look at it from the crews' point of view you'll realize why it's an unbearable situation for them. odysseus will sacrifice any of them for his goal, men who also have families and homes to get back to, so they just can't trust their captain anymore. in eurylochus' case, odysseus literally intended to have him killed right there. it's very understandable if you put yourself in their shoes for like five minutes. the whole point of this conflict and what makes it so compelling is that both sides have their reasons for acting the ways they do and you can understand them while recognizing where they mess up.
@@lellenny They are just a man, they went full speed with open arms along side a warrior of the mind which led them to survive a storm waiting for their luck to run out and find themselves in the teachings of ruthlessness, in which case they were done for until they get to the Underworld to find out they are no longer themselves but instead monsters, different beasts, and in the face of Scylla they realize that a mutiny is worth facing, THE THUNDER BRINGER!!!
(Yes I missed some but I didn't know where to put them 😂)
So the chorus in no longer you isn't meant to show lyrics bc Jay wanted it to be a secret. The chorus chants "siren song, scylla's throat, mutiny, lightning bolt" Jay confirmed that in the thunderbringer live stream
From what I remember, the ship was within sight of Ithica when the bag was opened, and Odysseus' mother had been waiting for him on shore. She saw the storm and assumed Odysseus died, so she waded into the water to drown herself.
Damn, the silence during the confession was loud, I feel like you went through all the stages of grief in that time. To make it worse? Eurylochus is not just his friend, who he knew since childhood, but also his brother-in-law. They're family.
I know we're talking about the song itself but can we just sit him for a second and appreciate how good gigi's animatic is when he smacks the hand of the so-called monster and he absorbs the monster and like it flows through his whole body and now his like Shadow is the monster and now he has half over the monster space and then when he's laying his head on Penelope she grabs the headband that was polities because you can't be the monster and still greet the world with open arms
If someone hasn't told you already the woman that sings the part of Odysseus Mother is actually Jorge's mother and when they were recording this she had to do many takes because she had never thought about it till now but she was imagining not being there and being able to support him when she passes or vice versa and she kept on ending up bawling while trying to sing a song so they had to redo it over and over again because she couldn't stop herself from crying about the thought that one day she won't be here for him to support him that's a huge gut punch to add on to the gut punch of it being his mother in the Underworld anyways but to cast his own mother as Odysseus's mother is like a whole another level
About the choir singing in the backround in no longer you: we dont FULLY KNOW what it is singing. The first time it says "Sirens song" then something else i forgot, then "mutiny" and "will you be nothing more". I believe the last time it chants ODDYSSEUS however thats just what i hear- Jorge has kept it a secret 😆
The ones you forgot are "scylla throat" and "lightning bolt" ^^
@@acequeenofthedeck8431 That's Interesting! 😲
Siren Song, Scylla Throat, Mutiny, Lightning Bolt is what Jorge has confirmed of the choir so far
Kill All The Suitors For Love
The other interesting thing is jorge played us the music at the end if thinder bringer and said it was his if epic was a computer game menu music. For april fool one yr he said monster was too dark and had changed it and played i am a monster rawr rawr rawt with cute music lol
He is a musical genius
If you want another layer of heartbreak to The Underworld song, falperio05 made one a few weeks ago. And it hits during Polites and his mom’s moments. Riley G also has a good Mutiny animatic.
I also highly recommend DuvetBox’s version of Thunder Binger. It’s my favorite out of them all
@@icemagiciangh I will add it to the list to watch on Monday! 😄
@@ThatOneGuyPlaysI also added DuvetBox’s version after u replied 😂 Their Thunder Bringer is great… it’s also far less sexual
@@icemagiciangh You mean it';s less Zeusy. Since he was all about the sex especially the non consensual kind
@@Schinakbasically, yeah. Trust me, I know my Greek mythology 😅
@@icemagiciangh Honestly Duvet's design does NOT fit that booming voice at all imo.
I love how no longer you shows the past and future plainly; we just don't know that yet
It's ALL the future. ALL of it. The song of past romance wasn't about Penelope... if that's your insinuation. Not positive on that tho.
Also, what he could have done, is had every man hold a torch. 6 would die, but it would be truly random and agreed upon. Odysseus no longer views his men as people, they are resources to spend to get what he wants above all else, i.e. his -and only his- good ending
@@legitimatemedicine That would be an interesting take.
No, he couldn't have done that as then there would be no one to row the ship out of Scylla's domain. As it was probably the biggest ship of the fleet, it would have been build for 50 men to row. As they were already 'understaffed' there is no way they could just give everyone or even the majority torches as they would then be sitting ducks for Scylla to eat one after the other. The reason why Scylla would only ask for six men is because she can't eat more than that at the same time due to her limited number of heads. However, if the ship waited for her by having everyone hold a torch as suggested she would have eaten more.
I highly recommend you check out the “different beast” animatic by theearteest. It’s heartbreaking.
@@ShyyGaladriel I will react to it this Monday with the other list people have sent. It will be live on twitch.tv/togplay 😁
But yeah, Odysseus swung from “open arms” to “monster” as if there isn’t a third option available. A warrior of the mind.
@@ShyyGaladriel True but That was Athena's teaching. If this man was stup- Stubborn enough to give a Cyclops his Home address (and Social Security Number) then I could see him refusing to FULLY go back to being the Design Athena created him to be.
Great react, thanks for doing the last saga on the same stream
@@Frostoad Thanks for encouraging me to finish it! It was a heavy but amazing story so far!
Everyone I watch that reacts to this song I was always so confused until they get to the next song and it all makes complete sense why the song played out prior to the second song
⚠️ Spoilers in the reply to my comment ⚠️
The only thing I hope is that if Odysseus makes it home, he will see Penelope and his love for her will bring the real Ody back 🥹
@@gasaiyuno9608 Me too! His son will be 13yrs old minimum as well 😭
@@ThatOneGuyPlays yeah 👍🏻
@@ThatOneGuyPlaysat the teaser for Wisdom Saga it says “7 years later”
I think it’s been more than that 😂
@@icemagiciangh ITS BEEN 7 MORE YEARS AFTER THUNDER SAGA 😱😱😱
@@ThatOneGuyPlaysIt appears so😭it said 7 years then showed a lil clip of a song which is the first song to come out in the next saga
When they were on the island Odysseus realized that the second and command is about to make the same exact mistake but this is made with Cyclops and is trying to tell him not to do it because if they're talking and the god of the sun in Roman mythology being Apollo he the son of Zeus if we're talking about Helios the God of the Sun and Greek mythology which is one of the brothers of Zeus and is almost if not as powerful as Zeus is so either way they're both coming to him being like I want you to take action on this Mortal for what he did
So regardless on which Sun God they're basing this song off of either Roman or Greek mythology Zeus was going to handle it at the end of the day because either he handles it for his son or he handles it for his brother also his brother threatened to go down into the underworld and never come out and everything in the whole planet world the universe would die without the sun coming up every day he threatened to take away the Sun for everything and pretty much Wipe Out the world because without the sun things can't be grow people can't eat and so on and so forth
Your reaction to the start of Different Beast got me 😂 I was laughing along with you, you're so right
zues spends the first minute of the song just showing how completely thirsty and consent-agnostic he is.
First time I heard this song was only a few weeks after my brother died. and when I heard his mother start singing.. still hits me hard.. because my brother died when I was just 20 minutes away from visiting him. We visited every two weeks while he was in physio. He never told us he had congestive heart failure,
@@MCCaradon I'm sorry to hear that 😔 The song means more to you now ❤
"Portrayals of betrayals" can actually refer to both Odysseus & Eurylochus.
Eury betrayed Odysseus by opening the windbag. Odysseus betrayed his men by keeping the information about Scylla from them!
There's always a choice, they could try their luck somewhere else, they could accept they're never getting home & settle on some other island.
They could choose to die fighting.
Odysseus _took their choice_ by refusing to tell them about Scylla. He _chose_ to murder 6 men.
Eurylochus did not know opening the windbag would lead them to Poseidon.
Odysseus _DID_ know 6 men would get eaten
Also, quick correction, Polites was Odysseus' best friend!
Technically Odysseus just told the second command to light of six torches and the second in command gave them to six people so technically he chose the people that held the Torches Odysseus just told him to light six torches so he probably has a deeper feeling of guilt that he is the one that chose the people to hold them
I binged all of your EPIC reactions yesterday/today and I enjoyed them very much :))
The next saga is out already btw! If you need a playlist that has animatics for that one, I have a playlist that I made for the whole musical! Unless you've already streamed it and I missed it which would be sad but in that case I'll wait for the video :)
@@RinSolo First, Power to ya and thanks for Binging my reaction 🥰!
Second, If you have Good animatics to the New saga, "Then I beg you solo, Send the video, And Let ThatOneGuy Reaaaacct!" *in the tune to Other Ways to Persuasion*
@@ThatOneGuyPlays Edit: Okay, it seems that I can't send you the link since youtube seems to be deleting my replies... This is the 4rd time i've tried linking the playlist. But it's the first playlist on my account, called "EPIC: The Musical [In Order | Recommended Animatics]" - the new saga is at the very bottom (starting with Legendary). Please enjoy!!
And thank you so much for replying! That was a perfect way to ask :))
@@RinSolo Thank you! I'll probably react to it on the 1st Monday of October!
@@ThatOneGuyPlays AWESOME!! I can't wait!
Oh and ... if I may make another recommendation ... I recommend rewatching My Goodbye (final song of the cyclops saga) before the new saga (maybe on the stream if you want ...) You could use a different animatic than the one you watched first (the one saved in my playlist is one you havent seen)
It will enrich the experience :)
Since I saw you’re doing some extra animatics, may I reccomend some of Gwendy/NS2D Studios Epic animatics? Her No Longer You and Suffering animatics are great! Also reccomend Riley G’s Mutiny animatic, the details in it and the use of colour are fantastic.
Also Jorge has confirmed some of the chorus’ lyrics in the background of No Longer You -> “Siren’s song, Scylla throat, Mutiny, Lightning Bolt”
We don’t know for sure what they remaining lines are but people have their own theories on that which are a bit spoilery, so I won’t say them.
They have now updated the lyrics to her animatic and it tells you exactly what they say after the lightning bolt that's how I knew what the next two chance were it and the very final chance is them saying Odysseus
All of the predictions the profit prophesizes are all events that have not happened yet even though the animatics show passed and future things that might happen it's all events that haven't happened yet also at the end of no longer you there is spirits that pop up and they chance certain things and the Chance are these
"Siren song"
"Scylla throat"
"Mutiny"
"Lightning bolt"
Whirlpool, Poseidon"
"Kill all the suitors for love"
The first four chants are confirmed by Jorge that's what they say the last two or what I believe that they're saying because of the fact that on a different animatic the captions are the actual lyrics verified from the actual song so it's probably safe to say that that's actually what they say
If youre open to doing alternative animatics, i reccomend
Falperio05's "Underworld"
Riley G's "Mutiny"
Duvetbox's "Thunder Bringer"
Also i cannot recommend Mircsy's "My Goodbye" and "Keep Your Friends Close" enough! They are soooooo good!
Epic: the story of a man who overcorrects
@@ellies741 Waaiit Odysseous, Poseidon or Me 🤔🤣
The choir in No Longer You are singing foreshadowing for the Thunder saga:
Siren Song
Scylla Throat
Mutiny
Lightning Bolt
This is followed by future act spoilers, so BEWARE SPOILERS FOR CURRENTLY UNRELEASED SAGAS if you care about that sort of thing
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Kill All The Suitors For Love
So I commented on the last video about your execution comment to whoever opened the bag and I put this emoji “👀”
I was thinking about Scylla 😅 because Ody made sure Eury had a torch before Scylla appeared. So you technically weren’t far off on your comment 😂
There’s also theories that at the beginning of Scylla, Odysseus was having second thoughts but when Eury confesses to opening the wind bag that seals their fate.
@@alexispincock7409 That's hilarious that I didn't catch that first part! 😂
And if I'm being honest it was a toss up of whether Ody was going to fight Scylla or pay the COST, but when Eury said that I KNEW IMMEDIATELY. the cost will be paid. 😔
While I don't completely disagree with you, I feel like where the argument fails is that Odysseus made that decision himself, alone. He decided that 6 lives were to be given. Random, yes. But he was never considered in that pool. While it would've been somewhat unlikely, if Odysseus had let them in on the situation, there may have been 6 or more soldiers that would have volunteered their lives so their friends could go on. And also, Odysseus could have prepared a better plan. In the original, or at least the version I can remember, Odysseus grabbed 6 goats (maybe more) to occupy Scylla while they sail through her lair. The plan didn't work flawlessly, some men were still grabbed, but it wasn't Odysseus' plan to sacrifice his own men.
@@idrc1415 Oh! 😲 6 goats means they just needed to distract her. Interesting. On the subject of Ody being part of the sacrifices I do have 1 rebuttal. A General would never sacrifice himself for a Platoon of soldiers. We shouldn't expect a King to do so for 42 men. Morally you are right, Ody should not have made this decision without talking to his soldiers. But we are at a point in the journey where Odysseous, (King of Ithika) is willing to sacrifice 6 to save 36. From our standpoint of reacting to the story and not being a part of in during those stressful days we have time and a calm mentality to come up with different plans to save everyone. Time and more importantly, HOPE that Odysseous just didn't have. 😔
@@ThatOneGuyPlays true, it's not best for the general to choose to sacrifice himself. But that's not his reasoning for not including himself in the pick. He's going to do whatever it takes to get back to his wife. Not saying I don't understand where Odysseus is coming from, and that it wasn't still a difficult choice for him to make, but he's operating differently now than he would have earlier on in his journey. And again, he could have prepared before going to Scylla rather than go straight to her lair. But he wants to get back to his wife as quickly as possible now. And yeah, Eurylochus made same very huge mistakes that has put them in danger, but so has Odysseus. Not so much in letting the Cyclops live, but in giving his name out of rage and pettiness. That led Posiedon to go after Odysseus and his crew. If he hadn't done that, they never would've dealt with the treacherous storm and the wind god, and then the killing of the vast majority of his crew. Both share an immense amount of blame.
@@idrc1415 That we can agree on
Your live stream chat is trying to get you just to play the movie because it will all make sense in the second song but you keep on asking questions and they're like just play it you'll get it later it's funny but that's usually the reaction I've seen on every reaction video that does both of the videos as a reaction
The sarcasm is so real and the oh no🤣🤣🤣🤣
No wonder Athena wanted him as a warrior because he is really a warrior of the Mind
WOOOOOOOOOO
Sabes que es lo peor? De 600... solo volvió 1
Odiseo en la canción 1 lo dijo claramente, sigan mis órdenes y volverán a casa. No obedecieron, no volvió ninguno.
Y Zeus también lo advirtió en la primer canción, "la sangre en tus manos no se irá, solo puedes elegir a quien pertenece"
NO MY RANT! I HAD A COMMENT READY FOR IT AND EVERYTHING!
@@poley5 Sorry, there was 5minutes of changing the video and silence that I cut the scene, 🎶"Forgive Me!"🎶
@@ThatOneGuyPlays NEVER!!!
@@poley5 🤣
Yeh, Ody goes dark.
Hahahaha "Thunder Daddy"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 i cant omfg😂😂😂😂
Also the choice of the voice of Zeus is the thunder Daddy comment is totally accurate
In my opinion this animatic portrays Zeus extremely well he is an arrogant prideful womanizer that loves to play with and terrorize the humans and gets enjoyment out of it he is the definition of an arrogant narcissist
The animatic shows how smug he truly is
Not Zeus making Odysseus choose an impossible Choice again just like the very first song the horse in the infant
I believe Zeus was making that illusion and the reason why all the crew members are pissed but the second command doesn't look pissed at all is cuz the crew members can't see that illusion but the only other person besides Odysseus that can see the illusion is his second in command which is why his facial expression is different why he's not getting angry and why he's not setting up to attack
Right I had the same face when I heard that from his second in command and the audacity and how hypocritical it is when the next song comes up because technically he's the reason why 558 men were killed because they were so close to their home to the point where Odysseus's mother saw them get blown away by the storm yes the reason why Poseidon had them even in his radar was because of Odysseus was arrogant and had too much pride and wanted the Cyclops to know that he was the one that blinded him and it also has a little hint of Revenge in it as well he didn't want the Cyclops to not know who blinded him because the Cyclops killed his best friend so the arrogance and pride and the hint of Revenge made him to make the stupid decision to give him his name and in the grand scheme of things the second in command is considerably the most assault they were about to be on land and I don't think Poseidon can technically stand on the land he has to stay in the ocean but I'm not sure about him not being able to go on land that's just my assumption because he didn't follow him when they open the window bag which is why he didn't chase after them when they open the wind bag but for a second in command to be upset they had to sacrifice six men is ridiculous because what was his other option go into open water and fall right into Poseidon's hands The Logical choice is to pick the way Odysseus chose to go to have more of a chance on being able to get home cuz that's the only way home and then they all would be dead. Also the second in command, I'm not even going to try to stop his name that's why I'm calling him that, is actually considered family by marriage, he is married to a Odysseus sister according to Homer version of The Odyssey that's also a reason why he didn't go into Circe's palace and wasnt tempted by a beautiful woman. So the second command is is a complete hypocrite and the most horrible part is Odysseus has been blaming himself and saying that he was the reason and at fault to why they were all killed Poseidon and he had so much guilt to now find out that it wasn't actually really his fault to an extent, yes it was still his fault to an extent but most of the fault was the other guy fault that's so crazy and that the fact that they have been friends since childhood to me makes what he did the biggest betrayal I think I would ever feel if that was me in that situation
@@briannapadilla7622 I was so conflicted when I heard the truth 😭
@@ThatOneGuyPlays same here I kind of had a suspicion though because in the Circe Saga the very first song Puppeteer he was trying to tell him that he had a secret he needed to tell him he needed to get it off his chest and Odysseus blew him off and told him he had to wait I think that's what he was trying to tell him
The difference between Odysseus & Eurylochus is that Eurylochus never meant for anyone to die + he didn't kill anyone, _Poseidon_ did
Meanwhile, Odysseus DID mean for 6 men to die, he put _spotlights_ on them to lure Scylla's heads directly to them.
Besides, they don't _have_ to go home. The men could simply choose to give up & live in some other kingdom/island
But Odysseus can't have that. He can't row the boat by himself. He _needs_ his men
And so he doesn't give them a choice. Or any information.
Leaving them feeling betrayed & breaking the bonds that they've made
23:24 i would argue that even if their reasons are understandable or almost even justifiable, its still wrong. Thats what makes villains like thanos so compelling, but he is was and will always be still a villain. Nomatter how you slice that cake