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15:33 You're 100% correct about that misconception around supposedly "Sephardic surnames". Most of those names, as you said, are not actually Jewish, they are just Portuguese or Spanish names, and frequently they were adopted upon conversion to Catholicism by just taking their godparents family names. So, they were - and still are - well established Catholic names. (Authentic Sephardic surnames do exist, though, but they do not look or sound Portuguese or Spanish: Abravanel, Abecassis, Benveniste, Bensaúde, Ruah...) Her family name, "DaVega", looks *a hybrid of Portuguese and Spanish.* If it were a standard Portuguese name, it would be *"Veiga"* (or *"da Veiga",* if we consider the genitive particle, but that is not officially considered part of the actual surname). If it were a standard Spanish name, it would be *"Vega"* (or *"de la Vega",* considering the genitive particle). So, her name has a "da", like in Portuguese (not a "de la", like in Spanish), but the main part is "Vega", like in Spanish (the Portuguese version has a diphthong). That is probably explained by the fact that her family lived so many centuries among non-Spanish/non-Portuguese speaking majorities, so the spelling/pronunciation of their surname evolved independently from Spanish and Portuguese. But my bet would be that they were originally Portuguese (thus the "Da" instead of "DeLa") and later lost the diphthong, specially because southern Portuguese accents (Alentejo, Algarve) do not pronounce the diphthong (i.e. they write standard Portuguese, with the "-ei-", but they pronounce it more like the Spaniards, with no diphthong). BTW, Veiga/Vega is a toponymic surname, but the original toponym ("veiga"/"vega") is so common, we cannot even guarantee two people with that same surname have distant ancestors originating from the same place, much less that they have actual family ties. Because the word is just a common word that describes a type of terrain: a fertile piece of land along a river. So, basically, any river, big or small, with fertile, somewhat flat banks, has a "vega/veiga", and any family living close to and off that land could adopt the surname "(de la) Vega"/"(da) Veiga". 20:02 That's Ladino (i.e. Judeo-Spanish), right?
I believe that song is a Ladino song as I understand it, although I am no expert in Ladino and am not 100% sure. I remember learning it in my early days of discovering my Sephardi ancestry and I became obsessed with this Sephardi rock band called De Leon, who had a version of the song.
Understand the Spanish Portuguese Jewish fusion. There is a fascinating connection between the expulsion of the Jews of Spain and the influx of Spanish Jews to Portugal that is somehow typically omitted in retelling the history. The Jews had a long history in Spain with many up and downs. There had been a number of forced conversions of Jews in Spain to Christianity in certain locations over the years. The Alhambra Decree of 1492 was devastating in that it applied to all the Spain (the United Kingdom of Castille and Aragon). Jews would have to convert or leave. For some Jews, leaving Spain was seen as the only acceptable option. A huge number of Spanish Jews fled into Portugal which had a very small Jewish community. At first this was seen by the Portuguese rulers as something very beneficial. These Jews, some highly educated and cultured, some with business skills greatly enhanced the Portuguese economy. Promises were made to the Jewish refugees which were later broken and Portugal became a nightmare. worse than Spain. Spain pressured Portugal to expel the Jews. Portugal decided that the Jews were now too vital to expel so all Jews in Portugal were forcibly converted to Christianity. This was ironic since these were mostly Spanish Jews who had fled Spain in order not to convert. The rulers of Portugal promised it would not have an Inquisition but this promise too was broken. The result is a community in Portugal of blended Spanish, Portuguese and Jewish language and/or culture of former Jews and their descendants who were forced to be Christian. When some of these forced Jews had the opportunity, they left Portugal. These Jews who fled to New Amsterdam or to the New World were often called by themselves or others as Spanish-Portuguese Jews for good reason. Congregation Shearith Israel (also known as the Spanish-Portuguese Synagogue) America's first Jewish congregation was founded in 1654 by 23 Jews of Spanish and Portuguese descent. Kahal Kadosh Beth Elohim Synagogue was established in colonial Charleston in 1749 also by Spanish-Portuguese Jews.
Wow - this video was amazing. I'm so happy to have found a channel that discussed sefardic judaism related stuff! (I'm technically western sefardi so finding others is always fun)
Im curious if all sephardic jews initially spoke Ladino or Judaeo-Portuguese, but after leaving Iberia, the eastern communities retained their original language while other communities in North Africa, Western/Northern Europe and the Americas dropped it in favour of the language of their new home countries?
The Jews who left Spain took their language with them and it changed over time and was influenced by the languages of the countries to which they fled. I do not know to what extent it differed from the language spoken by the Christians but I do not think it was so different to be considered a separate language. Eventually it developed into what is now often called Ladino, especially as spoken throughout the Ottoman Empire. The United States did have Ladino speakers and newspapers. However, immigrants were encouraged to be and act American so it did not continue with newer generations. The Holocaust wiped out Ladino speakers, so new Ladino speakers did not come to the United States after the war. Haketia is a variety of Spanish that borrows heavily from Judeo-Moroccan Arabic and is called Ladino Occidental. Icountries Haketia is a variety of Spanish that borrows heavily from Judeo-Moroccan Arabic and is called Ladino Occidental.
I have 2% Sephardic and 2% Ashkenazi, which is very tiny. My largest, though, is 22% with 16 ethnicities total and all but 4 are single digits, so I'm not sure if that's still insignificant. I'm Puerto Rican and Dominican, and all my relatives and friends with similar backgrounds have some amount of Sephardic or Ashkenazi tho took Ancestry test.
Just know that these tests have a difficult time deciphering Sephardi and Ashkenazi DNA because there is so much similarity. So, even though you are getting readings of both Sephardi and Ashkenazi, you may discover you only have one type of Jewish ancestry. Of course, you may also find you are a descendant of both Ashkenazi and Sephardi! Just no way to tell from just using these tests, it'll require doing the genealogy.
I know some came from Amsterdam because I remember seeing Gibraltar in the Despachos records but after reading up a bit about it after seeing Elysse's video, it seems these communities were somewhat of a hodgepodge of various Jews. Of course, it makes sense it would be a large amount coming from Morocco.
In terms of the choices given to Jews in 1492, the situation for most was also that in order to leave they had to leave all or most of their possessions. Knowing they had very little choice in the matter meant that it was difficult for Jews of that time and place to sell their assets, including land, for anything close to their actual value. For Jews without means, the price of travel to leave was also prohibitive (again, as the providers knew they had very little real choice in the matter). It is hard for us to imagine the stresses they were under unless we compare it to more recent calamities.
I read about 2,000 pages in the last year on Sephardic Jews (in Spain) and the Dutch Republic (Dutch and Jewish history there) and I’m kind of idolizing you because you’re a descendant of my favorite Jews which is Amsterdam Sephardic Jews. Basically they changed the world for Jewish people in the Protestant countries (Netherlands, England, America, British Empire countries) by taking the totally unjust situation they were forced into and actually capitalizing on it, literally. Just read about the Dutch Golden Age, this is just a comment I can’t do it justice. Steven Spielberg really should make a movie about a “Portuguese Merchant” who finds himself on one of those famous Dutch navy vessels in the East or West Indies being like “man this is cool.”
Interesting info. I'm Igbo Jewish and have genetic connections to Cochin, Mizrachi, Romanyote, and Bukharan Jews. I also connect with Ancient Egypt, Nabateaens and Mesopatamia.
I’m part Sephardic and part Ashkenazi, with Sephardic lineage from Morocco. So many people always ask me what my background is and I’m not sure what to tell them anymore, my features aren’t very Ashkenazi , so must people assume I’m Arab, or Mediterranean, and I don’t know what to tell them anymore, I don’t want to explain what Sephardic Jews are to every person I meet, but I also don’t want to tell people I’m Moroccan when I feel like my ethnicity isn’t exactly that. Anyone else in the same boat? I usually just end up saying I’m from “all over the place” or choose a country I could pass for and run with that? Idk what to say anymore😭
I found her tree and it looks like she is about 1/16th Sephardi from her mothers father and the rest a European American mix. Her maternal grandmother doesn’t have much info though so maybe more there but the surname doesn’t indicate so
I saw that as well. It looks like the patriarch of her Davega line is Moses Davega (c.1760-1833). The American Jewish Archives has an old family tree for them online - sites.americanjewisharchives.org/publications/fajf/pdfs/stern_p045.pdf
I use the word delve its because I love reading and it's word that comes up in books a lot I have read for over several years. So Abraham Senior's family was Perez Coronel and the Coronel was a very extensive family and left descendants all over the world especially Mexico. But there was a lot of new christians that hid their jewish roots, this is why the jewish synongogue of oporto was founded because the founder found descendants of Jewish people who secretely were still practicing for centuries despite being cut off from the rest of the sephardic groups and this was the case of boarding spanish towns along between spain and portugal. If you have never read "my 15 grandmothers" by Genie Milgrom I highly recommend it. So if she and her family hid their practicing of judaism in secret and then went to gibralter the inquisition couldn't touch them. It makes sense but they also had a large community that was already in England around that time also. So either they were already living in what it sounds like Spanish territory and then just went to gibralter after the fact.
It's true that Sephardic Converso descendants moved into Cuba but what proof does Genie Milgrom actually have of her direct maternal line coming from a Sephardic Jewish woman? On JewishGen, she wrote: "My family in 1405 still had Catholic Spanish names and I wanted more than anything to know the original Jewish family name before 1405 and back I went, researching and uploading to excel to see what other dots I could connect. [...] I created elaborate pivot tables with all the data and still no Family Jewish name! I finally realized that it was becoming a search with no end and I let it rest knowing that I would have to respect my grandmothers from over 500 years ago who had tried to hide to protect themselves and had done so successfully." Genie Milgrom told Facebook that she tested with Family Tree DNA and belongs to mtDNA I5a1. Although one branch of I5a1 is found among Jews, carrying I5a1 doesn't necessarily prove Jewish ancestry. So she has neither solid documentary nor genetic evidence.
I worked a case where the biological father is 100% Ethiopian Jewish (both at ANC and MH). Conception time frame in Boston raised the possibility of someone involved in the Boston Marathon or at University in Boston as many Ethiopian Jewish people were sent to the US for school. Only 62 paternal matches at ANC.
I suspect the reason she put eithiopian there is that it's one of the four most well known groups (it might also be fourth largest? Idk the numbers on Indian Jews, who's community name i also forgot)
Google: According to a 2020 study by Agranat-Tamir et al., the DNA of the Ethiopian Jews is mostly of East African origin, but about 20% of their genetic makeup is of Middle Eastern semitic people origin and shows similarity to modern Jewish and Arab populations and Bronze Age Canaanites.
your serfadi part of the family May be linked with one of the most influential show men in Brazil. His was :Senor Abravanel. In Brazil he' was known as "Silvio Santos" he' descended from Don Issac Abravanel. Isaac was the man who fixed the Spanish finance back then.
I found this very interesting. I knew little about the history of Spain even though I am of Hispanic decent. One thing I was told was that all the Jews in Spain that converted picked last names that end with z. This person also believed that anyone with a Spanish last name ending with z had Jewish ancestry. Which is funny considering how many Hernandez, Fenandez, Gomez, Martinez, etc... there are. Misinformation is not only limited to the computer age, it's just spread more and faster.
Frustrated with AncestryDNA because a clear match to my Dutch Ashkenazi through a rare name on her paternal line Miells matching my Miles as a Dutch variation was told we match on her maternal grandfather's name not on my tree.
I just learned, that my Portuguese last name (which means "rescued") would (most likely) indicate, that my fathers side was one of those converted sephardic jews and that the place he is from would indicate this as well... That is all very fascinating, I must say...
I discovered that I have a whole line of Sephardic Jewish ancestors in my paternal lineage. Wow….and while watching your reaction video today made me very curious about this line. Long story but short version. Checking my Ancestry matches and would have a Hispanic name come up. I attributed it to someone must of married into a Mexican family. But no, not the case. I came across a family that married into my Whisenant line. Curiel surname from Portugal came up, but then they had an alias too! Someone put a picture depicting Jewish people being Crypto Jews. Of course I had never heard of this term for Jewish people back in history. So I asked the question to the whole group of people who saved the picture. Hersh responded! He schooled me on the meaning of the term. He then told me Shalom. I do have DNA matches with the Spanish, Portuguese and Jewish surnames. Dr. Abraham Jeronimo Curiel/ (Nunes da Costa) Vitoria (alias Fernao Lourenco Ramires) 1545-1609 11th great-grandfather David Abraham Jeronimo Curiel (alias David Lopo Ramirez) 1594-1666 10th great-grandfather I’m on Ancestry and have been researching my family tree since the 1980’s. Thanks again for the great video 🎉
I last year discovered to my great surprise that my gt grandmother Abigail Rodrigues was a sephardic jew. My paternal Jewish line is Ashkenazic. The surnames of my Sephardic 2nd gt parents, leading back several generations further, are "Rodrigues" and "Costa/da Costa". A couple of other key surnames in my Sephardic ancestry include D' Aguilar and Levy, And so, Hi to any cousin's who might possibly be reading this.
It is a bit confusing. Just now learning about my Sephardi. From what l am understanding. My people went Portugal France Holland an the to the America's? So they are an odd mix. Have you heard of stories like this?
Yes, I had multiple lines that went this route, largely living in Bayonne and Bordeaux before making their way to Amsterdam. In fact, many of the Sephardic Jews who ended up in the Netherlands (not just the Holland provinces) went through other cities before arriving in the Netherlands. Amsterdam honestly became the hub of the Western Sephardic World and a major hub in the larger Jewish World.
Pentacostalism only started in the mid to late 1800's. I have family that was originally Ashkenazi and some that was originally Catholic that converted to it. There was a large movement in the southeast US for it and that's where the largest numbers are.
@ it’s similar to independent fundamental baptists and can’t out of that but changed in what’s called the Holiness movement. There was the big faith healing and power of faith belief that swept through. They see being able to speak in tongues as having the Holy Spirit in them. That differentiates them from other charismatic Christian sects. In the deep Deep South they’re one of the main sects. Anything saying apostolic, holiness, Assemblies of God.. these are different variants of Pentecostal.
I found a 1% of Sephardic on my DNA tests. 3 other people of my family obtained 3% and 4% My great-grandmother lastname was Coronel (Mexico) It seems it's an old Spanish last name used by Jews.
Idk if you’ll ever see this but my fam is from the DR since the colonial days no recent ancestry lol besides one line I think, but my fam still goes to Catholic Church but in home we’re taught that Jesus is not the messiah and we’re still waiting/ we only believe in the Hebrew bible(taught verbally lol) we don’t have a copy. Te Christian Old Testament we are taught isn’t the real Hebrew bible since it’s has some different things that are taught. We keep a huge cross in our house because it’ll protect us bc the star would would get us killed (lol RIP) and we try to do burials within the same day of death. Honestly my fam took 23andme and ancestry expecting some Jewish bc of our religious beliefs that we aren’t allowed to speak of outside our house. It’s funny because I was on the Judaism/Jewish subreddit and I asked them a while ago why would “Catholics” be aligned with Judaism so much and everyone though I had Jewish great grandparents lol they’re were surprised my fam kept a genuine connection to Judaism after so long that they told me they always here some bs from Latino”crypto Jews” about lighting a candle on fridays when that isn’t crypto Judaism lol I was wondering if you have any tips with genealogy? I was debating on getting a professional to help but I want to try some on my own
Because ethiopian jews have no diffrence genetically from other ethiopians Ashkenazi are a mix of levantine and european italic germanic and slavic closest populations being southern italians, greek islanders and maltese
Want to learn more about the Portuguese Jewish Community of Amsterdam? Be sure to check out my video all about the origins of this amazing community!
ua-cam.com/video/ypsIOgpYvT8/v-deo.htmlsi=N7XO03n2R6XSDwkz
15:33 You're 100% correct about that misconception around supposedly "Sephardic surnames". Most of those names, as you said, are not actually Jewish, they are just Portuguese or Spanish names, and frequently they were adopted upon conversion to Catholicism by just taking their godparents family names. So, they were - and still are - well established Catholic names.
(Authentic Sephardic surnames do exist, though, but they do not look or sound Portuguese or Spanish: Abravanel, Abecassis, Benveniste, Bensaúde, Ruah...)
Her family name, "DaVega", looks *a hybrid of Portuguese and Spanish.*
If it were a standard Portuguese name, it would be *"Veiga"* (or *"da Veiga",* if we consider the genitive particle, but that is not officially considered part of the actual surname).
If it were a standard Spanish name, it would be *"Vega"* (or *"de la Vega",* considering the genitive particle).
So, her name has a "da", like in Portuguese (not a "de la", like in Spanish), but the main part is "Vega", like in Spanish (the Portuguese version has a diphthong).
That is probably explained by the fact that her family lived so many centuries among non-Spanish/non-Portuguese speaking majorities, so the spelling/pronunciation of their surname evolved independently from Spanish and Portuguese.
But my bet would be that they were originally Portuguese (thus the "Da" instead of "DeLa") and later lost the diphthong, specially because southern Portuguese accents (Alentejo, Algarve) do not pronounce the diphthong (i.e. they write standard Portuguese, with the "-ei-", but they pronounce it more like the Spaniards, with no diphthong).
BTW, Veiga/Vega is a toponymic surname, but the original toponym ("veiga"/"vega") is so common, we cannot even guarantee two people with that same surname have distant ancestors originating from the same place, much less that they have actual family ties. Because the word is just a common word that describes a type of terrain: a fertile piece of land along a river. So, basically, any river, big or small, with fertile, somewhat flat banks, has a "vega/veiga", and any family living close to and off that land could adopt the surname "(de la) Vega"/"(da) Veiga".
20:02 That's Ladino (i.e. Judeo-Spanish), right?
I believe that song is a Ladino song as I understand it, although I am no expert in Ladino and am not 100% sure. I remember learning it in my early days of discovering my Sephardi ancestry and I became obsessed with this Sephardi rock band called De Leon, who had a version of the song.
Understand the Spanish Portuguese Jewish fusion.
There is a fascinating connection between the expulsion of the Jews of Spain and the influx of Spanish Jews to Portugal that is somehow typically omitted in retelling the history.
The Jews had a long history in Spain with many up and downs. There had been a number of forced conversions of Jews in Spain to Christianity in certain locations over the years. The Alhambra Decree of 1492 was devastating in that it applied to all the Spain (the United Kingdom of Castille and Aragon). Jews would have to convert or leave. For some Jews, leaving Spain was seen as the only acceptable option. A huge number of Spanish Jews fled into Portugal which had a very small Jewish community. At first this was seen by the Portuguese rulers as something very beneficial. These Jews, some highly educated and cultured, some with business skills greatly enhanced the Portuguese economy. Promises were made to the Jewish refugees which were later broken and Portugal became a nightmare. worse than Spain. Spain pressured Portugal to expel the Jews. Portugal decided that the Jews were now too vital to expel so all Jews in Portugal were forcibly converted to Christianity. This was ironic since these were mostly Spanish Jews who had fled Spain in order not to convert. The rulers of Portugal promised it would not have an Inquisition but this promise too was broken.
The result is a community in Portugal of blended Spanish, Portuguese and Jewish language and/or culture of former Jews and their descendants who were forced to be Christian.
When some of these forced Jews had the opportunity, they left Portugal. These Jews who fled to New Amsterdam or to the New World were often called by themselves or others as Spanish-Portuguese Jews for good reason.
Congregation Shearith Israel (also known as the Spanish-Portuguese Synagogue) America's first Jewish congregation was founded in 1654 by 23 Jews of Spanish and Portuguese descent. Kahal Kadosh Beth Elohim Synagogue was established in colonial Charleston in 1749 also by Spanish-Portuguese Jews.
Wow - this video was amazing. I'm so happy to have found a channel that discussed sefardic judaism related stuff! (I'm technically western sefardi so finding others is always fun)
Glad you made it available in time for Chanukah
Thank you, I really enjoy your channel. I'm always learning something new and getting inspired when I watch. 😊
Im curious if all sephardic jews initially spoke Ladino or Judaeo-Portuguese, but after leaving Iberia, the eastern communities retained their original language while other communities in North Africa, Western/Northern Europe and the Americas dropped it in favour of the language of their new home countries?
Ladino developed in the Ottoman Empire communities, which is why it is only tied to Eastern Sephardim.
The Jews who left Spain took their language with them and it changed over time and was influenced by the languages of the countries to which they fled. I do not know to what extent it differed from the language spoken by the Christians but I do not think it was so different to be considered a separate language. Eventually it developed into what is now often called Ladino, especially as spoken throughout the Ottoman Empire.
The United States did have Ladino speakers and newspapers. However, immigrants were encouraged to be and act American so it did not continue with newer generations. The Holocaust wiped out Ladino speakers, so new Ladino speakers did not come to the United States after the war.
Haketia is a variety of Spanish that borrows heavily from Judeo-Moroccan Arabic and is called
Ladino Occidental.
Icountries
Haketia is a variety of Spanish that borrows heavily from Judeo-Moroccan Arabic and is called
Ladino Occidental.
I have 2% Sephardic and 2% Ashkenazi, which is very tiny. My largest, though, is 22% with 16 ethnicities total and all but 4 are single digits, so I'm not sure if that's still insignificant. I'm Puerto Rican and Dominican, and all my relatives and friends with similar backgrounds have some amount of Sephardic or Ashkenazi tho took Ancestry test.
Just know that these tests have a difficult time deciphering Sephardi and Ashkenazi DNA because there is so much similarity. So, even though you are getting readings of both Sephardi and Ashkenazi, you may discover you only have one type of Jewish ancestry. Of course, you may also find you are a descendant of both Ashkenazi and Sephardi! Just no way to tell from just using these tests, it'll require doing the genealogy.
This was interesting to watch with your additional thoughts to her story. Happy New Year!
Regarding Gibraltarian Jews, they migrated there after the British took the territory from Spain. Most came from Morocco.
I know some came from Amsterdam because I remember seeing Gibraltar in the Despachos records but after reading up a bit about it after seeing Elysse's video, it seems these communities were somewhat of a hodgepodge of various Jews. Of course, it makes sense it would be a large amount coming from Morocco.
In terms of the choices given to Jews in 1492, the situation for most was also that in order to leave they had to leave all or most of their possessions. Knowing they had very little choice in the matter meant that it was difficult for Jews of that time and place to sell their assets, including land, for anything close to their actual value. For Jews without means, the price of travel to leave was also prohibitive (again, as the providers knew they had very little real choice in the matter). It is hard for us to imagine the stresses they were under unless we compare it to more recent calamities.
I read about 2,000 pages in the last year on Sephardic Jews (in Spain) and the Dutch Republic (Dutch and Jewish history there) and I’m kind of idolizing you because you’re a descendant of my favorite Jews which is Amsterdam Sephardic Jews. Basically they changed the world for Jewish people in the Protestant countries (Netherlands, England, America, British Empire countries) by taking the totally unjust situation they were forced into and actually capitalizing on it, literally. Just read about the Dutch Golden Age, this is just a comment I can’t do it justice. Steven Spielberg really should make a movie about a “Portuguese Merchant” who finds himself on one of those famous Dutch navy vessels in the East or West Indies being like “man this is cool.”
Interesting info. I'm Igbo Jewish and have genetic connections to Cochin, Mizrachi, Romanyote, and Bukharan Jews. I also connect with Ancient Egypt, Nabateaens and Mesopatamia.
I’m part Sephardic and part Ashkenazi, with Sephardic lineage from Morocco. So many people always ask me what my background is and I’m not sure what to tell them anymore, my features aren’t very Ashkenazi , so must people assume I’m Arab, or Mediterranean, and I don’t know what to tell them anymore, I don’t want to explain what Sephardic Jews are to every person I meet, but I also don’t want to tell people I’m Moroccan when I feel like my ethnicity isn’t exactly that. Anyone else in the same boat? I usually just end up saying I’m from “all over the place” or choose a country I could pass for and run with that? Idk what to say anymore😭
Do you speak Haketia?
I found her tree and it looks like she is about 1/16th Sephardi from her mothers father and the rest a European American mix. Her maternal grandmother doesn’t have much info though so maybe more there but the surname doesn’t indicate so
I saw that as well. It looks like the patriarch of her Davega line is Moses Davega (c.1760-1833). The American Jewish Archives has an old family tree for them online - sites.americanjewisharchives.org/publications/fajf/pdfs/stern_p045.pdf
New Mexico/Spanish Sephardic community ancestry here. Wish I knew more.
I use the word delve its because I love reading and it's word that comes up in books a lot I have read for over several years. So Abraham Senior's family was Perez Coronel and the Coronel was a very extensive family and left descendants all over the world especially Mexico. But there was a lot of new christians that hid their jewish roots, this is why the jewish synongogue of oporto was founded because the founder found descendants of Jewish people who secretely were still practicing for centuries despite being cut off from the rest of the sephardic groups and this was the case of boarding spanish towns along between spain and portugal. If you have never read "my 15 grandmothers" by Genie Milgrom I highly recommend it. So if she and her family hid their practicing of judaism in secret and then went to gibralter the inquisition couldn't touch them. It makes sense but they also had a large community that was already in England around that time also. So either they were already living in what it sounds like Spanish territory and then just went to gibralter after the fact.
It's true that Sephardic Converso descendants moved into Cuba but what proof does Genie Milgrom actually have of her direct maternal line coming from a Sephardic Jewish woman? On JewishGen, she wrote: "My family in 1405 still had Catholic Spanish names and I wanted more than anything to know the original Jewish family name before 1405 and back I went, researching and uploading to excel to see what other dots I could connect. [...] I created elaborate pivot tables with all the data and still no Family Jewish name! I finally realized that it was becoming a search with no end and I let it rest knowing that I would have to respect my grandmothers from over 500 years ago who had tried to hide to protect themselves and had done so successfully." Genie Milgrom told Facebook that she tested with Family Tree DNA and belongs to mtDNA I5a1. Although one branch of I5a1 is found among Jews, carrying I5a1 doesn't necessarily prove Jewish ancestry. So she has neither solid documentary nor genetic evidence.
I delved into watching this video...
🤣🤣🤣
I worked a case where the biological father is 100% Ethiopian Jewish (both at ANC and MH). Conception time frame in Boston raised the possibility of someone involved in the Boston Marathon or at University in Boston as many Ethiopian Jewish people were sent to the US for school. Only 62 paternal matches at ANC.
I suspect the reason she put eithiopian there is that it's one of the four most well known groups (it might also be fourth largest? Idk the numbers on Indian Jews, who's community name i also forgot)
Interesting information. Thanks 👍🏽
Google:
According to a 2020 study by Agranat-Tamir et al., the DNA of the Ethiopian Jews is mostly of East African origin, but about 20% of their genetic makeup is of Middle Eastern semitic people origin and shows similarity to modern Jewish and Arab populations and Bronze Age Canaanites.
your serfadi part of the family May be linked with one of the most influential show men in Brazil. His was :Senor Abravanel. In Brazil he' was known as "Silvio Santos" he' descended from Don Issac Abravanel. Isaac was the man who fixed the Spanish finance back then.
I found this very interesting. I knew little about the history of Spain even though I am of Hispanic decent. One thing I was told was that all the Jews in Spain that converted picked last names that end with z. This person also believed that anyone with a Spanish last name ending with z had Jewish ancestry. Which is funny considering how many Hernandez, Fenandez, Gomez, Martinez, etc... there are. Misinformation is not only limited to the computer age, it's just spread more and faster.
Frustrated with AncestryDNA because a clear match to my Dutch Ashkenazi through a rare name on her paternal line Miells matching my Miles as a Dutch variation was told we match on her maternal grandfather's name not on my tree.
I just learned, that my Portuguese last name (which means "rescued") would (most likely) indicate, that my fathers side was one of those converted sephardic jews and that the place he is from would indicate this as well...
That is all very fascinating, I must say...
I see the Sephardic family resemblance ;)
I discovered that I have a whole line of Sephardic Jewish ancestors in my paternal lineage. Wow….and while watching your reaction video today made me very curious about this line. Long story but short version. Checking my Ancestry matches and would have a Hispanic name come up. I attributed it to someone must of married into a Mexican family. But no, not the case. I came across a family that married into my Whisenant line. Curiel surname from Portugal came up, but then they had an alias too! Someone put a picture depicting Jewish people being Crypto Jews. Of course I had never heard of this term for Jewish people back in history. So I asked the question to the whole group of people who saved the picture. Hersh responded! He schooled me on the meaning of the term. He then told me Shalom.
I do have DNA matches with the Spanish, Portuguese and Jewish surnames.
Dr. Abraham Jeronimo Curiel/ (Nunes da Costa) Vitoria (alias Fernao Lourenco Ramires)
1545-1609
11th great-grandfather
David Abraham Jeronimo Curiel (alias David Lopo Ramirez)
1594-1666
10th great-grandfather
I’m on Ancestry and have been researching my family tree since the 1980’s.
Thanks again for the great video 🎉
I last year discovered to my great surprise that my gt grandmother Abigail Rodrigues was a sephardic jew. My paternal Jewish line is Ashkenazic. The surnames of my Sephardic 2nd gt parents, leading back several generations further, are "Rodrigues" and "Costa/da Costa". A couple of other key surnames in my Sephardic ancestry include D' Aguilar and Levy, And so, Hi to any cousin's who might possibly be reading this.
Happy New Year Vais Cousin!
I use delve. Didn't know AI likes to use it. Perhaps I'll have to extract it from my vernacular.
I’ve always wondered if I had Sephardic Jewish ancestry.
FYI, another "flavor" of Jews around the world are the Abayudaya Jews from Uganda.
It is a bit confusing. Just now learning about my Sephardi. From what l am understanding. My people went Portugal France Holland an the to the America's? So they are an odd mix. Have you heard of stories like this?
Not odd. Very typical.
Yes, I had multiple lines that went this route, largely living in Bayonne and Bordeaux before making their way to Amsterdam. In fact, many of the Sephardic Jews who ended up in the Netherlands (not just the Holland provinces) went through other cities before arriving in the Netherlands. Amsterdam honestly became the hub of the Western Sephardic World and a major hub in the larger Jewish World.
The north side of Atlanta, GA, still has a large Jewish population. Guess driving Miss Daisy was historically accurate. ❤😊❤
I’d just like to say I use delve all the time Chat GPT is copying me not the other way around
Pentacostalism only started in the mid to late 1800's. I have family that was originally Ashkenazi and some that was originally Catholic that converted to it. There was a large movement in the southeast US for it and that's where the largest numbers are.
Interesting! I know very little about Pentacostalism.
@ it’s similar to independent fundamental baptists and can’t out of that but changed in what’s called the Holiness movement. There was the big faith healing and power of faith belief that swept through. They see being able to speak in tongues as having the Holy Spirit in them. That differentiates them from other charismatic Christian sects. In the deep Deep South they’re one of the main sects. Anything saying apostolic, holiness, Assemblies of God.. these are different variants of Pentecostal.
I found a 1% of Sephardic on my DNA tests.
3 other people of my family obtained 3% and 4%
My great-grandmother lastname was Coronel (Mexico)
It seems it's an old Spanish last name used by Jews.
I'm just a pasty white guy.
Cochin in India.
Great video, my wife's myheritage dna test said she is 20% Sephardic Jew. She is Italian heritage so not sure where that 20% come from.
A lot of good history here.
Idk if you’ll ever see this but my fam is from the DR since the colonial days no recent ancestry lol besides one line I think, but my fam still goes to Catholic Church but in home we’re taught that Jesus is not the messiah and we’re still waiting/ we only believe in the Hebrew bible(taught verbally lol) we don’t have a copy. Te Christian Old Testament we are taught isn’t the real Hebrew bible since it’s has some different things that are taught. We keep a huge cross in our house because it’ll protect us bc the star would would get us killed (lol RIP) and we try to do burials within the same day of death. Honestly my fam took 23andme and ancestry expecting some Jewish bc of our religious beliefs that we aren’t allowed to speak of outside our house. It’s funny because I was on the Judaism/Jewish subreddit and I asked them a while ago why would “Catholics” be aligned with Judaism so much and everyone though I had Jewish great grandparents lol they’re were surprised my fam kept a genuine connection to Judaism after so long that they told me they always here some bs from Latino”crypto Jews” about lighting a candle on fridays when that isn’t crypto Judaism lol I was wondering if you have any tips with genealogy? I was debating on getting a professional to help but I want to try some on my own
THE TRUE JEWS COMING FROM ABRAHAM!!!
Why are you questioning the Ethiopian Jews and not the Ashkenazis? Biased much?
Because ethiopian jews have no diffrence genetically from other ethiopians
Ashkenazi are a mix of levantine and european italic germanic and slavic closest populations being southern italians, greek islanders and maltese
He explained in the video
They did not originate in the Levant!
All Jews originate in the Levant, that is where Abraham was from.
They did lololololol