Shure SM4: Amazing Sound, But Is It Worth the Price?

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  • Опубліковано 4 лис 2024

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  • @REAPERMania
    @REAPERMania 2 місяці тому +67

    Just to add to Tom's conclusion, as someone who has been a pro audio engineer for 30+ years, not only will any of these mics work well for you and you should just choose what you like, but it's also important that you just pick one and go with it. In a world where many of us are a one man/woman show, it's important to eliminate variables. Pick your tools and go create content. All the best. XOXO

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +5

      Absolutely fantastic advice 👏

    • @TheBreakFastProjectYT
      @TheBreakFastProjectYT 2 місяці тому +2

      @@REAPERMania God bless you. Your words inspire you have no idea

    • @REAPERMania
      @REAPERMania 2 місяці тому +2

      @@TheBreakFastProjectYT Thank you.

    • @Mike3nigma
      @Mike3nigma 3 дні тому

      I just don't have money an don't want to pay for a microphone that doesnt work

  • @soramittenpaw2127
    @soramittenpaw2127 Місяць тому +6

    I was just watching Bandrew's review and came to recall that SM4 has a dual-diaphragm mic design (even for a single-pattern mic) to control proximity effect. From that standpoint, SM4 is competing against Sony C-80, which is also a large-diaphragm, externally-biased condenser mic that employs a dual-diaphragm design for the same reason. That could possibly be one of the reasons behind Shure's pricing of SM4 because C-80 is priced at $500 (with a carrying case and shock mount but no pop filter). C-80 has -10dB pad and high-pass filter circuitry, which SM4 does not, and is made in Japan, but $270 for the kit is very competitive when compared against $500 C-80 kit.

  • @Johnwick-07
    @Johnwick-07 2 місяці тому +4

    I love the earthworks mic! I want one in the future.

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +2

      It's a great mic from a great group of people!

  • @fofopho
    @fofopho 2 місяці тому +3

    The Ethos is still GOATed. Sounds sooooo good.

  • @markexploringnewstuff
    @markexploringnewstuff 2 місяці тому +1

    Informative and entertaining as always. Thanks, Tom.

  • @trendyboymx
    @trendyboymx 2 місяці тому +2

    Hi Tom! Great video as always! I appreciate the detailed microphone comparisons, but I find myself pondering a few points: 1) Sound Quality: All the mics sound excellent, which is fantastic but makes differentiation challenging. I'm curious how much of this is due to your sound-treated room and the RODECaster Duo's processing.
    2) Average UA-camr Scenario: It would be incredibly helpful to see a comparison in a more typical setting - perhaps with minimal sound treatment and without a professional mixer. This could give aspiring content creators a more realistic expectation.
    3) RODECaster Duo Impact: Your video has actually reinforced my interest in the Duo. The quality it seems to bring out in various mics is impressive.
    4) Future-proofing: Given it's late 2024, do you think the Duo is still a worthy investment for the coming months? Are there any newer alternatives you'd recommend over it now?
    Thanks for consistently providing such valuable insights for the creator community!

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for the kind words!
      1. My room is really not super sound treated overall, so while it's not awful, I don't think it was a huge difference maker.
      2. Even though they were running through the RCP, there were no effects or processing (unless I specifically mentioned at certain points), so it's the same sound you would get from pretty much any relatively modern-ish XLR interface.
      3. The Duo kicks butt! But as mentioned, there were no effects or processing. If you DO want to dive in there, the Duo opens up a really fun world of options!
      4. Yes, yes, and yes! I do like the Mackie DLZ Creator XS quite a bit and have a comparison video between the two, but tend to prefer the Duo for usability and the VESA mount on the back. It's barely been out for a year and mixers aren't typically something updated annually, so it should be "current" for at least a few more years (and it'll still be awesome even when/if a new thing comes out. They also have a white option too, which is pretty cool 😁

    • @trendyboymx
      @trendyboymx 2 місяці тому

      ​@@tombuck Thanks Tom! I'm looking forward to acquiring the RCD soon. On that note, I'm curious about your thoughts on the upcoming Zoom H1 XLR. Given your apparent affinity for Zoom products, do you plan to review it? It seems quite promising from what I've seen so far.
      Also, I'd love to see a video showcasing how you integrate your extensive microphone collection into various workflows and content formats. As someone with a more modest setup (I use a Rode VideoMic NTG and Rode Lavalier II), I'm always juggling between devices for video calls, podcasts, UA-cam videos, and on-the-go recording. Your expertise on optimizing mic usage across different scenarios would be incredibly helpful.

  • @kylemckenna
    @kylemckenna 2 місяці тому +1

    Thanks for sharing, Tom!

  • @luke_1234
    @luke_1234 2 місяці тому +3

    The hope the Sennheiser makes the profile a dynamic mic in the future

    • @noth606
      @noth606 Місяць тому

      'the Sennheiser' and 'the profile' ? words, I see, Yoda speak even, decipher does not.

  • @7171jay
    @7171jay Місяць тому +2

    With a self noise of 15dBa the SM4 is a bit high noise for a modern mic.
    This could be an issue for super critical recordings like audio books but is certainly good in many other situations but it is something to be aware of as Shure kind of hides this somewhat.
    Websites selling the mic don't list this and amazingly it's not even on in the description of the mic on Shure's website. The downloadable PDF spec sheet that is on Shure's site omits it too and the only place I found it was on the PDF titled "User Guide" (not the Quick Start Guide).
    That said the SM4 is a bright mic but not harsh, although in the untreated room in the video here it's not exactly sounding it's best.
    Definitely a bit of an upgrade sonically from something like the Audio Technica AT2020 (but at double or more the price it certainly should be) and the self noise although a bit high is 5dBa better than the AT2020.

    • @LACROSSECXL
      @LACROSSECXL 26 днів тому

      @@7171jay this is great information, thank you for the research you done to bring this to the light! 🤘🏾

    • @7171jay
      @7171jay 25 днів тому

      @LACROSSECXL BTW at about 5 min into the video you say adding more gain increases the amount of background room noise in relation to the voice. It just doesn't work like that.
      The difference between mics being "good" at rejecting background sounds has nothing to do with where you set your preamp gain, that ratio is determined by the mics directional pattern and to lesser extent that condensers tend to be a bit brighter sounding and generally better transient response than dynamic mics.
      The things that actually affect background sound level vs the voice are how close you are to the mic and how loudly you speak or sing.
      Because dynamic mics tend to be smoother and a bit less detailed they can be better at very close up use than a condenser which tends to pick up more weird mouth noises (lip smacks and tongue and even breathing). Getting right up on the mic is what will get you a better signal to background noise level and dynamic mics handle this better than condensers do.

  • @GamerTigerBonsu
    @GamerTigerBonsu 2 місяці тому +4

    Thinking of getting a Røde NT1 5th Gen, would this mic be a good alternative as well?
    (Mainly for like commentary and voice acting)
    Loving these videos btw

    • @christbilly286
      @christbilly286 2 місяці тому

      for me the nt1 is still the best

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +1

      The 5th gen is great if you need the USB functionality! Sound-wise there's no difference between it and the Signature Series, so if you're only using it via XLR, then the Signature can save you a bit of money.

    • @GamerTigerBonsu
      @GamerTigerBonsu 2 місяці тому

      @@tombuck interesting, thanks for the insight sir

  • @ElijahPark
    @ElijahPark 2 місяці тому +2

    sounds like a real competitor. solid 👏

  • @GS-uk3ml
    @GS-uk3ml 16 днів тому

    More low end and warmer sound in the NT1 right?

  • @randyrektor
    @randyrektor 2 місяці тому +1

    Love the vid man. Totally subjective here, but I'm really not nuts about the sound of this mic -for your voice at least. I found the NT1 to sound wayyyy better. Shure seemed to have an abrasive upper mid-range.

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +1

      I like the Shure for that compress-y sound, but it's definitely personal preference. In this specific comparison, it was actually the Lewitt 440 that surprised me the most!

  • @IvanSergio1984
    @IvanSergio1984 Місяць тому

    Sounds great!

  • @soramittenpaw2127
    @soramittenpaw2127 2 місяці тому +4

    LCT-240 is on sale now on Alto Music and is $80 for the mic and the shock mount (+10% bonus credit).
    Another cool thing about NT-1 is that it's made in Australia! Can't think of anything made in Australia that are sold in the US other than Rode mics and honey lol

    • @REAPERMania
      @REAPERMania 2 місяці тому

      The LCT-240 is still my favorite and I've tried almost all of these.

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +1

      That is a VERY good deal!

    • @djtoman6875
      @djtoman6875 2 місяці тому

      Blundstone and Ugg boots are made in Australia. Great products!

  • @videotours5277
    @videotours5277 Місяць тому

    Thanks so much for this video Tom! Top-quality information. How do you switch between cameras if you are shooting in 4K?

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  Місяць тому +1

      I record internally and do it in editing 👍

    • @videotours5277
      @videotours5277 Місяць тому

      @@tombuck Really nice quality. Do you ever still use your Atem?

  • @wellwishesmusic
    @wellwishesmusic 2 місяці тому +2

    I missed everything you said while the green cable was sliding away. 🙃
    JK. Great review. It seems like a nice affordable option if there's something you don't like about the NT1.

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому

      Haha, that timing just happened to work out 😅

  • @DeseanAWeeb
    @DeseanAWeeb Місяць тому

    ,for recording just audio, talking low,normal and loudly in say a car at night with no outside noise, would a dynamic or condenser be better?

  • @nicktayloriv310
    @nicktayloriv310 2 місяці тому +2

    Be Shure you're speaking into the right part of the 🎙😁

    • @nicktayloriv310
      @nicktayloriv310 2 місяці тому

      The Yeti mic has more bass than the Shure.

  • @ItsRyukin
    @ItsRyukin 2 місяці тому +1

    I still have a so called “BM800” condenser mic but it’s left unused for 3-4 years now and I’m still considering a new one tho, Maybe. 🤔

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +1

      If it works, it works! But it doesn't sound like an upgrade would be too unreasonable either.

  • @cyngarcia1097
    @cyngarcia1097 Місяць тому

    Hi which mic would you recommend for belter singers? Thank you! 🙏🫶😊

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  Місяць тому +1

      Anything can work! Condensers like this are quite an excellent choice, but so is a classic like the Shure SM58 👍

    • @cyngarcia1097
      @cyngarcia1097 Місяць тому

      @@tombuck Thank you so much for your respond really appreciate it! 🙏🏼🫶🏼😊

  • @fallinmor
    @fallinmor 2 місяці тому +3

    The Shure sounds great but I feel like on paper it gets clobbered by the NT1. The 5th gen gives you the kit, usb c and 32 bit float for $20 cheaper than the SM4 with the kit. Tough choice.

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +2

      Yeah, it's a tough sell in some ways with the NT1 in the mix

    • @fallinmor
      @fallinmor 2 місяці тому

      It’s nice to have choices. You can get the NT1 and if you don’t like it, move to the Shure without too much heartache.

  • @agambhasin
    @agambhasin 2 місяці тому +1

    Initially I was interested in this but then I got the Cad e100sx for less than 200 and it just throws most mics in this price range out of the park, so I will save my money this time

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +1

      Yeah, that's an awesome deal!

    • @mikoajczeski1272
      @mikoajczeski1272 Місяць тому

      isn't too dark?

    • @agambhasin
      @agambhasin Місяць тому +1

      @@mikoajczeski1272 The CAD? Yes it is but it is how I like my mics to be

  • @HomesickMac
    @HomesickMac Місяць тому

    Giving it to the new Shure SM4 to be good sounding, reliable and fine but overpriced imho, Ethoooooos all the way haha! Ratio between quality and value for the money is just the best in my another humble opinion. The only reason I didn't get the Ethos is that it's bigger bro Earthworks SR314 has better proximity, meaning I can have it as overhead mic. Of course, everything depends on people's needs. I'm a musician and I always have more use cases in mind when buying a microphone. If I "only" did talking head videos for a podcast (video or/and audio) I might even consider the Shure, but I'm also thinking overhead, recording my guitars, putting the mic in front of an amplifier, using it as a live vocal mic etc... OK, this mindset could also be applied to situation where different people would use the same microphone, and already there it's important to get a decent "allrounder" to start with. In this case and if the budget is tight, getting two SM4's instead of one SM7B would be a great solution to a smaller podcast studio. Combine that with the RodeCaster Duo and it's a winner. Although, I'd always go for Lewitt duo in that case though haha. OK, OK, I'll leave it there....

  • @antoniobaronio9029
    @antoniobaronio9029 Місяць тому

    Thanks for the video, but a condenser microphone is supposed to be used singing in front of the capsule and not aside. Why did you record your voice standing aside of the capsule?

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  Місяць тому +1

      Some condensers are end address and some are side. This is a side address microphone.

  • @richardwilliams2916
    @richardwilliams2916 Місяць тому

    Opened my studio in Milwaukee and would like to join your podcast group

  • @techmed-rainer
    @techmed-rainer Місяць тому +1

    Danke! ☕️🎤

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  Місяць тому +1

      Thank you sir! 💙

    • @techmed-rainer
      @techmed-rainer Місяць тому

      @@tombuck It's my pleasure 🙏

  • @yinYangMountain
    @yinYangMountain 2 місяці тому

    For me, and for those I work with, I always start with asking:
    How does it work / sound for Content Creation / Voice Over?
    What is the open mic noise level - after the audio is normalized to -6dB and -3dB?

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +1

      According to Shure, the sensitivity is -38 dBV and the signal to noise ratio is 77dB. In regular day to day use, I've found it to be a very quiet mic, which you should expect for the price and from the brand.

    • @yinYangMountain
      @yinYangMountain 2 місяці тому

      @@tombuck Thanks for the info.

  • @Doc-ki5dl
    @Doc-ki5dl Місяць тому

    Hey, have you ever looked at some Thomann T.Bone Microphones? They have Condenser and Dynamic microphones. Especially the BC500 which is a Sm7b contender for just 80euros.

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  Місяць тому

      I haven't, but that sounds pretty nifty!

    • @Doc-ki5dl
      @Doc-ki5dl Місяць тому

      @@tombuck You definetly should, its more known in the german space, but they definetly have some nice options. I would like too see you reviewing one.

  • @wstks-fmworldwide5390
    @wstks-fmworldwide5390 2 місяці тому

    How does the SM4 compare to the various iterations of the MV7?

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +1

      They're pretty different since those are dynamic mics. The comparison is pretty similar to the SM7B here.

  • @seru715
    @seru715 2 місяці тому

    Would these types of microphone (condenser) be better for people with softer/quieter voices?

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +1

      I don't know if that's a rule to go by, but in general, it's easier to get a higher output from a condenser, which could be very helpful for someone with a quieter voice.

    • @seru715
      @seru715 2 місяці тому

      @@tombuck thank you for your reply. I really enjoy watching your videos!

    • @REAPERMania
      @REAPERMania 2 місяці тому

      @@seru715 Not only will they bring out your quieter voice but a condenser also brings out more detail.

  • @ROBOTRIX_eu
    @ROBOTRIX_eu 2 місяці тому +2

    I had a Marantz mic, that costs 51€, (Marantz Professional Pod Pack 1 fully adjustable stand ) ,that was lost during renovations a while ago.. I liked it a lot.. I am thinking on buying 2 new Marantz mics, just don't know if same or a MPM 1000 (47€), or MPM 2000 Marantz (60€).. Would be great if you one day, sooner than later, test some.. I think they beat all of same price, and tier up categories, that cost double or triple more..Their clean signal comes from experience on pre-amps, and amps.. Just wish they launched some more variety of mics, with esthetics similar to Lewitt.. ..this was just an idea, in case oportunity strikes..I'm divided between Marantz or Lewitt..

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +1

      Definitely seems like an interesting choice, especially for the price! But dang, I love the Lewitt so much 😁

    • @ROBOTRIX_eu
      @ROBOTRIX_eu 2 місяці тому +1

      @@tombuck Yeah..the Lewitt may be the chosen as well for me..but price/quality of Marantz, i don't know..specialy USB versions..

  • @keeppushin
    @keeppushin Місяць тому

    where did you get the blue pop foam for the sm7b i need that lol

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  Місяць тому +1

      Mine is from reporterstore.com 👍

  • @KaneTreble
    @KaneTreble 2 місяці тому +3

    Bahahaha I ugly snorted at the Neewer fade - well played!

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому

      Haha glad you caught that 😁

  • @noth606
    @noth606 Місяць тому

    I hate to be a pitched party pooper here but the difference is minute listening to this on sort of meh speakers built into my monitor. Like, not non-existant, but to my ears with some background noise etc on my side and not using headphones, they all sounded close enough that I'd probably pick the Röde out of habitosis, if I for some reason needed an extra mic for table top use and couldn't use what I have for some reason. I'm going to stop consuming mic videos for a while I think. On the bright side I guess my current ones are good enough heh, Röde M5 pair.

  • @andrewshaida5152
    @andrewshaida5152 Місяць тому

    Do you have planned to review the Maono pd400x?

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  Місяць тому

      Currently I don't, but it seems like a neat competitor to the PodMic USB and MV7+

    • @andrewshaida5152
      @andrewshaida5152 Місяць тому

      @@tombuck I saw a lots of reviews where it could compete with the sm7b.

  • @kyngb24
    @kyngb24 Місяць тому

    What kind of headphones do you have⁉️⁉️😊

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  Місяць тому

      I use the Rode NTH-100's 👍

    • @kyngb24
      @kyngb24 Місяць тому

      Awesome buddy thanks awesome mic review keep up the great work I have Shure mv7​@@tombuck

  • @GadesChannel
    @GadesChannel 2 місяці тому +1

    Tom, thank you for this review! I very like all comparisons and agree with your conclusion. Personally, I think the SM4 sounds a bit "thinner" than other competitors (maybe LCT240 is the closest)

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +1

      It's definitely not a bossy mic, but I do like it (at least for my voice) because I can basically use it with no processing. Might not be everyone's cup-o-tea though!

  • @RodrigoBezares
    @RodrigoBezares 2 місяці тому +1

    I'm having some struggle finding a good USB-C Mike for vocals since i have a deep jazzy voice and I don't want to mess with mixers and configs with an XLR one. Can somebody help me or guide me into the correct direction? I just got a Sennheiser profile but it will struggle with catching my voice so i need something better, maybe an MV7+? Any help will be really appreciated.

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому

      I'm interested in what you mean about the Profile not catching? As a condenser, it should be picking things up quite well!
      As far as the USB route goes, the MV7+ has a lot to offer, and the software does make it easy to dial things in pretty well.

    • @RodrigoBezares
      @RodrigoBezares Місяць тому

      @@tombuck Thanks to your reply, I went to the music store where I bought it and I asked them to let me compare my unit with another new one and it turns out that my unit was defective somehow. I got it replaced right away!. Thank you so much Sir. I really appreciate your help.

  • @fofopho
    @fofopho 2 місяці тому +4

    I would take the Lewitt 440 Pure personally. But can’t go wrong these days. Pick a mic and get after it.

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому

      Yep! 100% correct, but both mics you mentioned (the 440 and the Ethos) really impressed me here. I always love them, but sometimes you need to hear them against others to really appreciate what they can do!

  • @RingTalks
    @RingTalks Місяць тому

    Apparently this mic replaced the Sm27 as it is now discontinued..

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  Місяць тому

      Oh wow, I had no idea!

  • @Daxverse
    @Daxverse 2 місяці тому

    hey tom, do you think its better than podmic usb and signature series,thanks in advance

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому

      That's a lot of personal preference really, they're all great mics! Of those 3, I probably prefer the sound of the NT1 the most, but I like the build quality of the Shure more. The PodMic is also built like a tank, but takes the most work to EQ.

    • @Daxverse
      @Daxverse 2 місяці тому

      @@tombuck Tom you are in with love NT1 signature series for sure🤣. I wanted to buy the signature series too but given that my room is untreated, unfortunately I have to go with the podmic usb, anyways Thanks a lot, Tom❤️.

    • @REAPERMania
      @REAPERMania 2 місяці тому

      @@tombuck Yeah. The pod mic is very weak on the low end. But it does take well to EQ if you don't mind digging in. The PodMic would be my go to if I had buy 3-4 for a podcast. I like my Lewitt LCT-240 if I was just buying one.

    • @Daxverse
      @Daxverse Місяць тому

      @@REAPERMania would you recommend any dynamic mic for talking head kinda videos for covering news on pc gaming and console gaming . Thanks in advance 🫡

  • @ВиталийБойко-з5й
    @ВиталийБойко-з5й 2 місяці тому +3

    Worthy competitor to Rode NT1?

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому

      Definitely! Although the NT1 is still such a phenomenal mic.

  • @DeadliestEvil
    @DeadliestEvil Місяць тому +1

    It’s cheaper than the 7b and you don’t need a clean boost, I’m about to get rid of my sm7b and get one.

  • @thesprucelodgechannel
    @thesprucelodgechannel 2 місяці тому +2

    You did Neewer so wrong lol 😂

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +2

      I think Neewer did themselves wrong 😉

  • @AerialEmber
    @AerialEmber 2 місяці тому

    The biggest thing you didn't account for in all the comparisons is proximity effect. When you talk into the SM4 you sit back. When handling the other mics you are much closer. Proximity effect kicks in. It's really obvious when you go back and forth between the Shure and Earthworks. You pull the Earthworks right up, as you should. Then sit back to talk into the Shure.

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  2 місяці тому +1

      I just used the mics how I use them "in real life" to give a general comparison, far from any sort of scientific test.

  • @PierreBaudinat
    @PierreBaudinat Місяць тому

    For pretty the same price, definitely not a mic that can compete with MXL 2003A, Austrian Audio OC16 or Lewitt 440.

  • @demestin
    @demestin Місяць тому

    How does it sound in an untreated room

    • @tombuck
      @tombuck  Місяць тому +2

      My room is really not very well treated, so pretty much like this for the most part.

  • @matahari1576
    @matahari1576 Місяць тому +1

    The SM4 sounds much more neutral than the bassy and dull sounding SM7b, the most overrated mic. on planet earth.

    • @theperiidot
      @theperiidot Місяць тому +2

      The SM7b is actually more neutral, modern audio production standards just have a lot of high end excitement
      edit: you're not wrong tho, it is very overrated

  • @nathangothan601
    @nathangothan601 Місяць тому

    Maybe it’s just me, but the SM4 sounds terrible in my opinion. It’s way too treble forward, and has this distorted electronic chatter in it.

    • @Rossdink
      @Rossdink 23 дні тому

      Distorted electronic chatter?

    • @Rossdink
      @Rossdink 23 дні тому

      Oh I see what you’re saying. I think that’s the crispness

    • @nathangothan601
      @nathangothan601 23 дні тому

      @@Rossdink yeah idk how else to explain it. It sounds like it’s being compressed artificially. I understand UA-cam compresses their audio but in the multiple review videos I’ve watched it’s got this odd sound.