Honest Government Ad | Nuclear
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2025
- The Liberal Party of Australia has made an ad about its nuclear plan, and it’s surprisingly honest and informative!
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👉 SOURCES:
🔹 CSIRO, GENCOST 2023-24 Report: www.csiro.au/e...
🔹 IEEFA Report on how nuclear will impact electricity bills: ieefa.org/site...
🔹 Australian Academy of Technology and Engineering on SMRs: www.atse.org.a...
🔹 Senator Canavan, “nuclear ain’t the cheapest form of power”, NatConAustralia: • Interview with Senator...
🔹 Coalition details for location and timeframe of nuclear reactors: www.liberal.or...
🔹 Construction timeframes for Flamanville 3, Hinkley Point C and Vogtle 3&4 nuclear reactors: docs.google.co...
🔹 AEMO, ISP 2022 (p. 46), on projected renewable generation in the National Electricity Market (NEM): aemo.com.au/-/...
🔹 Stats for Australia building the equivalent of 6x (1GW) nuclear reactors worth of wind and solar in the last 6 years: x.com/simonaha...
🔹 Climate Council, “Ageing Coal and Summer Blackouts” Report: www.climatecou...
🔹 Emissions under the Coalition’s nuclear plan: www.theguardia...
🔹 “Coal Mine Tracker”, the Australia Institute: australiainsti...
🔹 Gina portrait by Vincent Namatjira: www.theguardia...
👉 FURTHER READING:
🔹 Great explainer by Rosie (make sure to subscribe!): • Four Reasons Why Nucle...
🔹 Great podcast interview with Simon Holmes à Court (highly recommend this): podcasts.apple...
🔹 Great explainer of SMRs by Dave Borlace (make sure to subscribe!): • Small Modular Nuclear ...
🔹 Also this by Sabine Hossenfelder: • Small Nuclear Reactors...
🔹 Guardian, “CSIRO chief warns against ‘disparaging science’ after Peter Dutton criticises nuclear energy costings” www.theguardia...
🔹 Financial Review, “Renewables are cheapest, even with poles, wires and batteries added in” www.afr.com/po...
🔹 Climate Council, “Why Nuclear Energy is Not Worth the Risk for Australia” www.climatecou...
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Welcome to our first HGA of 2025. It's not about nuclear energy, which makes sense in some countries, but about the Coalition's plan for nuclear in Australia which, incidentally, is also not a plan about nuclear energy, but a plan to prop up the coal and gas industry for another 2 decades. 👉Sources and further reading in the video description. And if you can, support us on Patreon and help us keep voters informed ahead of election day 👉 www.patreon.com/c/TheJuiceMedia
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@@zvenlin But will the Greens support Labors' levy on on 3 million $$$ in Super today... Or will they vote with the LNP to block it for a second time?
Welcome back!!!!
This is the first and only video you guys have made that I can remember that I actually disagree with.
tiger only thing we're going to get in a hurry is NUCLEAR WASTE !!!
Every time she pulls out the calculator my brain immediately goes *”FUCK ALL”* 😂
Same here
The second I saw the calculator I said "Fuck all" :)
I literally said it out loud at my desk
I've started to mentally say it when I open a calculator app on the phone or computer no matter what I'm adding up.
They need to start selling those calculators
It's weird how some people pick their political party like it's a sports team. No matter how bad they are they stick with them to the bitter end, cheering for own-goals.
Best analogy!
It's caused by the same thing as Sunken Cost fallacy. "If I change my mind, then I was wrong to vote for this party previously and I refuse to be wrong therefore I must continue to stand by my decision to vote for this party and be right"
Nah, I have been a swing voter, but I often feel alone in the world when the discussion is Albo vs Dutton, rather than social and economic policy. That said, the LNP grift for the decade prior to the current mob will require some fresh faces and positive ideas before I vote for them again...
It's even more weird how we've been on this merry go round for decades upon decades and no one has noticed that democracy is the greatest illusion to mankind.. "choice".. lol
😂😂😂
I think my bank manager has that same calculator when he calls me in to talk about what's in my account.
if your bank manager calls you to talk about what's in your account, your account has too many zeroes... and possibly a negative sign in at the front
"You have no money in your account? There's a fee for that"
Math is so bad xd googled the true outputs of comparable nations
You know how we have an inner voice when we think? Mine says "fuck all" just like justice media while all the other words in another voice.
My boss has the same calculator when we are talking about my salary raise
The party that told us they could give us a cheaper, better NBN. The party behind Snowy 2.0. The party that couldn’t build a carpark. And now they’re trying to sell us this nuclear plan? Yeah, right.
@@miniveedub Don't forget, they also destroyed the Australian car manufacturing industry.
And they did the screw up that is the 3G network shut down, Labour just inherited the train wreck already in motion.
They couldn't even roll out a plan for carparks.
and don't forget the duds er, sorry subs.
And if they did get one built, imagine the (lack of) safety standards after all the cutting of "green tape" that Dutton & co would be doing to get it done at all.
@@markchapman6800 Chernobyl 2.0
as an australian, we take fucking forever to build anything
as an ex painter i can tell you it's not worth being a tradey right now.
everybody just complains to you about the cost and nobody wants to pay,
there are much easier jobs now for better money.
and you don't hear one word about other people's problems.
Yeah but its caused by bureaucrats, tax and red tape. They love wasting tax dollars over a longer time. Plus they prefer a crisis to anything successful so if we get a meltdown halfway through,... they will need more tax dollerydoos.
Because everyone rorts the system.
@@fuzzjunky What jobs?
except coal mines
Where can I buy a calculator that only ever displays “FUCK ALL”?
That should be on their web portal for purchase, they'd sell a million of them
At the Lib/Nat merchandise shop
from any of our politicians. They sell them for a lot of money though.
That’s what I was going to say!! 😂😂
Im nominating that calculator for a Logie next year.
I am an engineer, that worked in both the French and "Australian" nuclear industry.
Yes, Australia has a "nuclear industry". But I had to put quotations marks because it's nowhere near ready to take on the task of civil nuclear.
Having seen the good and the bad of nuclear, I'm a firm believer in the tech. But it just ain't right for Australia... Or at least it was like 30-40 years ago.
(Good luck with the nuclear submarines as well, if you ever receive them...)
We could’ve bought the French tech for cheaper and built our own submarines in Adelaide creating heaps of jobs. But we will forever cave to America’s bullying it seems.
Who needs enemies when we have friends like the US of Ass
"The cooked bit isn't the 'nuclear' bit, it's the 'our [...] plan' bit"
Beautiful, absolutely sums it up in one glorious sentence!
I love that calculator.
They could make a lot just selling that calculator as merch
@@jianpanglam570 I need one for my work.
Same one as my boss, offers the same answer when we ask what pay rise he can afford.
@@nathankelly1708 😅
Spectacular. As an engineer who knows rather a lot about this subject, it is so lovely to see a funny video full of facts and accuracy. This is 100% correct. Love it. Please keep it up
as a student studying nuclear engineering. this is just the sad truth. atleast i'll continue my studies and become an academician instead of a tool of the liberals
Why does Dick Smith say we need nuclear (as well as renewables)?
@@martinjones5965 He has been captured by the hard right. Like Elon, even if he was financially successful in a specific industry does not mean he is super smart more widely.
Yes, Education with Humour!
And hopefully if we all share the video and our sentiments around, it may just filter through all the current distracting crap that we're being bombarded with daily from the USA.
I've shared it to my home page and a couple of groups.
The trouble is that the people I interact with are mostly like minded & fairly intelligent people who already feel as I do.
It's "100% correct" to effectively claim physics is different in other countries?
It's "100% correct" to neglect to mention the average time to build a nuclear plant is actually between five to eight years?
It's "100% correct" to think an UNCONTROLLED and UNRELIABLE source of power is better than a 24/7 RELIABLE one that requires probably less than 0.1% of the same land footprint for equal nameplate power and significantly less transmission lines?
Yeah, if you're an engineer, I wouldn't cross any bridge you've had a major part in designing or building.
Love that you've put the sources in the comments!
OK. I admit, I didn't even see the connection between nuclear and fossil (keep everything running until the new and shiny reactors are here). Thank you for pointing that out. Makes a lotta sense to me.
And then at the other end of the spectrum there's the German example where the grid has become much more polluting since they closed down their nukes and burned far more coal when their renewables failed to meet demand and they lost access to Russian gas.
This may be the Australian Liberal's motivation but don't make the mistake of applying it to nuclear across the board.
It's almost like there isn't big nameless corporations that own BOTH fossil and 'green' power and have convinced patsies like you to pay more per unit of power while also giving up reliability - and additionally being sanctimonious about it.
They are laughing at you.
@@simontaylor2143 You know what? Don't tell me what is right for my homecountry. Feel free to sell your neigbbours and kids into slavery. I stand with Ukraine and therefore temporarily higher gas prices are OK. I don't like doing business with thugs.
BTW: the grid is cleaner in Germany now than it was in 2020. Inform yourself before you post fake news, you russian fossil troll.
@@simontaylor2143 You are making up facts as you go along. Brilliant!
@@stoepsi I can't share links but just google: "germany restarting coal power plant" or "germany to demolish village for coal mine". This stuff is hardly obscure news
Even though I'm not Australian or have ever been to Australia, I just wanted to tell you: This is brilliant content! Right now, when democracy is under attack everywhere, it just feels really good to see people standing up for what's right. Thank you so much for everything you do and please continue doing it!
Here in Germany we still have the highest rise in PV of all sources. It's just so cheap and batteries are also very affordable these days. Down Under you should start thinking about what to do with all this cheap PV energy...maybe produce hydrogen
Just a heads up, democracy under capitalism is a myth, you don't get to vote for your boss, you don't get to vote for your working hours, you don't get to vote for your hourly rate, you don't get to vote for how much the company sells its products for. Democracy under capitalism is impossible.
World class. All class. No mercy for the political class.
@@johgude5045A waste of energy, and vastly increases safety concerns. Also, hydrogen is very expensive and challenging to transport and contain.
Far better to build an almost completely automated manufacturing sector. Overcomes Australia’s relatively small population, and makes it a real player on the world stage.
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 In Australia there is almost no Dunkelflaute so producing other things instead of hydrogen with this massive energy is also an option
“The party that couldn’t build car parks” haha hilarious
But true as a sheep and cattle farmer in barnyard Joyce's seat.. no I don't and won't vote for him.
Do not forget the manufacturing under John Howard exacerbated by Covid-19. But it was for the good of Australia ... oligarchy
@@cybernatwa Plus johnny selling all our west shelf gas, cheaply to china in lock in contracts till 2037
I worked in US commercial nuclear power my entire adult life. They're amazingly safe and amazingly expensive. One thing the HGA left out is the cost of regulation, because you'll need a government agency to oversee construction and operation.
May I ask you what do you think about Moltex SSR-W (wasteburner) design? 🙂
To any government a new agency is a bonus. You can make some idiot back bench MP who is always moaning the Minister For Nuclear Energy and get him off your back at a stroke - then a bunch of hangers on can be appointed to do "fuck all" while a small team actually does inspection and regulatory work. Plus they'll all need support staff - plenty of jobs for the boys.
Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima.
They’re safe till they’re not.
@@SourGravity are you slow? how many nuclear reactors have melt down in France? they have the most reactors in the world, not one meltdown, they are completely safe, it's the people who arent
@@SourGravityScrap Three Mile Island from there
Thanks for not demonising the technology itself, and focusing on the real issue!
1:05 important to note, those are the plants that were actually completed. Quite a few, even in the UK, were half built, for billions and then abandoned, because the cost overruns were too big.
Can you name the plants, not including the ones being decommissioned do to age or maintenance issues
@@neilfelthouse6831It would have been quicker to just Google that question. I did.
If you won't help yourself, why should others bother?
@@neilfelthouse6831don’t wait for us to convince you 😉 go do the research to ‘convince’ yourself 😅
Virgil C Summer 2 and 3 in South Carolina are multi billion dollar holes in the ground that were abandoned in 2017 or so. I'm not going to bother with researching it for you though. That's just what I know off of the top of my head. That and the Vogtle debacle bankrupted Westinghouse.
Can you name one? Hinckley C is currently under construction and almost complete, but it's cost a lot more than expected and took bloody ages.
LNP gave us the 82nd fastest internet in the world, do we really want the 82nd best Nuclear power system?
And what did Labor do to fix our internet, bl**dy nothing. We still have a quote for FTTH for $1m. They are both useless.
And it still ain't finished yet apparently.
Let’s keep this at 82 likes
@@gardengnome3249 Was it on budget? Is starlink cheaper?
@@donnairn3419 "was it on budget?" LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheaper and faster - where have I heard this before, that's right, the Liberal version of the NBN - we are still fixing that FU.
that was labor.
@@blackIce504 Labor had a good plan for the NBN, the Liberals scrapped that to buy an ageing copper network from Foxtel because they love the taste of Rupert Murdoch's dick.
@blackIce504 no it was liberal and ruddy tried to fix it with optic fibre but it was too little too late
@@blackIce504 It was the Liberals. The initial NBN that Labor set up was majority fibre... And then the LNP decided to go the "cheaper and faster" method, which ended up costing a truckload more and took longer. And now we're overbuilding a lot of the LNP nbn with fibre.. which is what Labor wanted to do all along. So it cost us tonnes more, took us way longer to get there, and many people have had to put up with crap internet for all that time.
@@blackIce504you're not burdened with an overabundance of brains, are you? The "cheaper and faster" motto was actually bandied about by Abbott and Turnbull during the 2013 election, to promote FTTN over FTTH. It ended up being slower and more expensive.
Thanks!
Thank YOU for the support! 🙏💛
New Zealand is already at 87% renewable but the conservative government felt sorry for the fossil fuel industry and cancelled a pumped hydro project so the fossilers can supply some coal and gas.
Oh , and they overturned a ban on new mines and gas drilling
Mmmmm and how is all that work going to benefit you when china emits 30% of all emmisions....
Were both of these a result of the new government in NZ though?
😢
@@PaulG.x not quite. The new conservative government allowed more fossil fuel electricity production BECAUSE renewables and hydro were unable to keep up with the demand and their energy prices were skyrocketing all due to a net zero boner from the previous progressive government.
Boot the bastards out
Our senator for saying the quiet part out loud is great! ❤
It is out of context, a lie to promote this garbage. Go watch the full view.
@@greghowe1967 by "this garbage" do you mean dutto's nuclear plan?
You mean that cosplayer from Queensland?
I call him Matt coal canavan- even his brothers coal business went broke a few years ago.
@@daff42 Nah this video is a rare gigantic L from this channel, nuclear is the best option available for baseload power generation.
China pops them up on the regular because they're not ran by capitalists that stand to lose money by doing it.
inb4 I get the same tired old propaganda spiel about Chyna bad because Western media lied to you
Im at one if the sites they're forcing this on.
They had a "discussion" community wasnt allowed to ask questions.
Like the fact that loyang, we're on a fault line in the valley.
Gee that’s not authoritarian or anything.
If we harnessed wind power from all the politicians hot air we'd be out of this crisis in no time.
all those pollies produce a lot of methane.
😂
To sum up... Consumers will continue to pay high prices as our major parties seem to care more about their donors than agreeing on what is right...
Gas would be available if we has a compulsory reserve on LNG exports, oh and bigger royalties.
In '67 I was in 6th grade in San Francisco. Pacific Gas & Electric (the power monopoly) gave us cute little comic books featuring their mascot, Reddy Kilowatt, with his lightbulb head and lightening bolt torso and appendages. The comics explained how soon all the power would be generated by nuclear plants and we'd have "power too cheap to meter." They've been raising rates ever since, and now they're trying to tell us it's nothing to do with putting lines underground, or maintaining lines near trees, or reimbursing communities for fires they started.
I'm 57 and I was marching against nuclear reactors being built in my area in the 80s. We won... but it was not by peaceful means.
@@LuisAldamizyou won? How do you define winning, because if this is winning, something's wrong with the damn scoreboard. 😂😂😂😢😢😢
@@bassandtrebleclef - Israel's goals were not achieved, Hamas' goals were.
I'll grant you that it's a mixed bag because of the US-Turkish operations in Lebanon (fake truce) and Syria (HTS takeover) but as for the Gaza-Yemen front, it's a very clear Arab win.
Yes, Gaza is destroyed... but can be rebuilt at least in the essentials within a year (Palestinian communitarian solidarity and amazing ingenuity is also part of the victory). Yes, some 200,000 people have been murdered but more than 2 million remain alive. Yes, the damage that Israel inflicted was massive, but the same can be said of the damage inflicted by Nazi Germany on the USSR 80 years ago and yet the latter came victorious.
@@bassandtrebleclef well, we won on jabiluka and roxby downs. I was a member of the ALP and I remember having a weird debate with the deputy premier in 1987 or 1988 (David Parker - who later went to prison for perjury) about nuclear power, which the Burke state government was considering greenlighting. Parker spent the whole meeting looking at the ceiling, even when he was speaking, and lost the motion.
The juicy media shop lacking a "fuck all" calculator is a huge oversight.
Libs pushing for nuclear power reminds me of when they gutted the nbn plan for fibre to the premises in favour of fibre to the node.
Promised it was cheaper to build, people didn't need 100mbps and FTTN was "better" than ADSL.
10 years later... FTTN is being replaced cos its: more costly to (constantly) maintain, slower than ADSL past 1km, less cost effective in build and did I mention slower...?
And we all foot the bill again for the restructure!
Also the copper network takes a whole heap more power to run, just not forward thinking and caught and captured by Murdoch. Tony Abbott literally met with Murdoch the day before the announcement and it was meant to protect his Foxtel business so people would not be able to stream as much.
Their costing didn't factor in buying back all the copper either, did it? What a colossal disaster that thing was.
“No one would ever need more than 12mbps” Malcom.
@@Shunter86 Not to mention how they bought the Telstra and Optus HFC network unsighted. The Optus HFC network was in such poor condition that they just scrapped it entirely. What an absolute waste of $800m. Where was the media outrage for that? Oh yes, because it was the LNP that did it, Murdoch buried the bad press.
And as soon as the Libs get back in office after Labor gets it working as originally intended they'll sell the NBN off to Gina and friends for cents in the dollar.
It's a pity that Australia doesn't have plenty of land to build solar panels, wind turbines, and back up batteries.
Oh, wait. They do!
Edit: to clarify a few points.
1. I am not saying that all of Australia's energy sources should be solar panels and wind turbines. Back up batteries, hydroelectric dams, geothermal power plants, and nuclear power stations can be used too.
2. The main advantage of solar panels, wind turbines, and back up batteries is they can be integrated into existing buildings and land use.
we dont even need land for the panels (well, residential, i do believe the power draw of industry etc is enough to need them)
we get around what, 1.4kwh per square meter per hour from the sun? the average aussie house has a lot size of 432m^2 lets assume the usable solar area takes up a quarter and give us a nice even 100m^2 of usable solar area, so thats 140kwh of power, but we have account for the sun setting, so lets assume its only producing power for 1/4 of the day, which gives us 35kwh
thats 35kwh per home, double the average of 18kwh for household power consumption. wheres the land use buddy.
(and if you dont trust my numbers, a average 15 panel array gives 30kwh, citation: solarreviews)
@wizziamthegreat by land, I meant space rather than land vs rooftops. Most of Australia gets a good amount of sunlight. I'm not sure what wind patterns are like.
So, I think Australia could easily transition to renewables. Also, geothermal and hydroelectric dams.
Edit, I am sure your figures are accurate. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Just love your comment.
I calculated that Australia needs to cover 15 to 20% of all its surface with solar panels and wind farms to generate enough green electrons to power all manufacturing, travel, home and food production etc not including air travel and AI energy consumption. That's a lot of ecosystem transformation.
@@larazembekis2793 dude, show your calculations, how did you get 1.6 million square kilometeres?
Lost my bladder at Project Gina 2025....so good. Brilliant, factual, succinct, plus graphs 👍
Need surgery? At least we got basic emergency healthcare here 🤗🙋♀️🇦🇺
nuclear power is actually really good, without any real downsides aside from cost. It's expensive to put up, and you have to get it recertified every 10 years (i think) but then it's essentially nonstop free and reliable energy for decades. Im kind of surprised that Australia doesn't have nuclear.
Kinda sad that it's being used like this, by a totally not corrupt party with surely no ties to massive coal and oil companies.
It has its uses but it's not as good as you say. Nuclear reactors require annual, or even twice-annual, maintenance and checking, with additional unscheduled maintenance. This is true even of the tiny 10MW reactor that Australia has now, and is far more true of big reactors like those in France. Due to those sudden outages, you need that much extra power capacity at hand, which really ramps up costs. Nowadays, there's a potentially worse downside: you can't ramp the output of these plants up and down quickly, let alone turn them on and off quickly. That was always a downside, creating a big gap between supply and demand, but super-expensive (but quicker) gas could fill the gap. Now, it's much more complicated, with far more variable solar and wind supply, and batteries much better at regulating (super-quickly) than gas. There's just no room for nuclear in Australia's already solar-saturated grid. Among other downsides is the political cost, the waste issues, the dirty uranium mining, and the inevitable high cost of uranium... just like gas, uranium will be exported semi-cheaply while sold massively expensively to the captive and unprotected-by-regulation domestic market.
DEFINITELY HAS TO BE BUILT IN CANBERRA. IF IT IS SO SAFE .
Nah, in Dutton's seat of Dickson.
The safety of nuclear plants isnt the issue.
Modern plants are alot safer then people assume.
@@grahambaker6664came here to say “ nah, in their electorates. Along with the Awks waste
needs to be near a lot of water. lake curley flanders doesn't have enough
@@MabbiRidth If they are safe then the person promoting nuclear power plants should have no issues with siting the plants in his own backyard. Instead he is promoting siting them in other people's backyards.
Between watching the shenanigans in the US, with a little side bar on how Dutton wants to follow Trump down the anti rabbit hole, that whole thing about vigilance takes on more meaning.
Don't follow our lead, our mad king is making a huge mess
Washington governs Australia , the Bi - Partisan illusion of Democracy will continue our demise , just more bread and circuses again .
Cry more, and then have a look at the corruption in USAID that got exposed. Do better.
is it really a hole at that point, more like a rabbit mountain the way Trump and Dutton is gonna do stuff
Dutton was praising Trump's anti-trans people measures on Sky News today, talking about how he wants to ban trans women (didn't mention trans men or non-binary people) from playing sports "especially at the elite level". He's apparently unaware that there are currently a grand total of zero (0) trans women playing elite-level sport in Aus.
Wishing everyone the best of life , from New Orleans Louisiana
Wishing you the best for the Trump sh!tshow ...
Thanks, we need all the moral support we can muster. We get SFA from our pollies!
@@gregbailey45you mean apart from energy rebates, expanded parental leave (now with super), increased bulk billing incentives, Medicare urgent care clinics, and tax cuts? That's just off the top of my head.
hopefully the election goes well and we dont get temu trump
@Greaterglider2 do you volunteer for any party or candidate? We need more than just hope
dang, i genuinely had no idea about the numbers behind all of this. it's immensely useful to see all of this. thank you for doing all of this.
Apparently Dutto is now referred to as “Temu Trump”.
@@sp762au * insert witty comment about Temu's logo being the same colour as Trump here *
why i dont get it, does it mean a cheap trump i guess
Cheap and low quality, I think
he is pretty much
He should called Peter Trumpton
Another excellent Honest Government Ad. Especially the kicker at the end ...
Dutton is the best asset the Labor party has.
Ditto in reverse me thinks.
@@gardengnome3249 Wrong neither, both side are just pandering to their base while pissing off the opposition.
Dutton is the only asset the Labor party has, and Albo is the only asset the Liberal party has. Voting for either party is a joke at this point, I'm not sure they care which side of the duopoly we vote for.
trumps antics are what will win albo the election funnily enough
Umm no. You gonna lose..just like kamala lost ...keep dreaming
Well done! Another great Honest Government Ad!
At time interval 01:12 there's a reference to France's FLAMANVILLE-3 reactor unit. Following the links, there's a reference to a World Nuclear News archived article originally published 04 Dec 2007, which refers to: "𝘌𝘥𝘍'𝘴 𝘣𝘰𝘢𝘳𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘥𝘪𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯 𝘖𝘤𝘵𝘰𝘣𝘦𝘳 2004 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘍𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦'𝘴 𝘧𝘪𝘳𝘴𝘵 𝘌𝘗𝘙 𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘍𝘭𝘢𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘷𝘪𝘭𝘭𝘦 𝘴𝘪𝘵𝘦." Thanks for that information. I'd suggest there were most likely preliminary investigations (i.e. due diligence) underway well before the EdF's board made their announcement in Oct 2004. Generally, these activities are kept hidden behind closed doors.
The pre-implementation phase prior to the commencement of "construction" (i.e. day of first pour of concrete for the base of the reactor unit) is typically 5-years duration, and FLAMANVILLE-3 still hasn't yet fully completed commissioning.
Per the IAEA's Power Reactor Information System (PRIS), for FLAMANVILLE-3 (Last update on 2025-02-05):
Construction Start Date: _ _ _ 03 Dec 2007
First Criticality Date: _ _ _ _ _ _03 Sep 2024
First Grid Connection: _ _ _ _ _21 Dec 2024
Commercial Operation Date: _ _ N/A (i.e. in other words commercial ops are still pending)
I'd suggest FLAMANVILLE-3 will take 20+ years to get up-and-running to full commercial ops from scratch.
There are now multiple examples around the world that have DEMONSTRATED that the Westinghouse AP1000, KEPCO APR-1400 and Framatome / EDF EPR design reactor projects take 15-20+ years to get up-and-running from scratch.
SMRs are currently 'vapourware', and won't be commercially available until the 2030s at the earliest, if ever.
Australia won't be any quicker, and because of inexperience with POWER reactors, more likely will be slower - I’d suggest it would take 20+ years!
See my Submission (#066), Attachment 1, Supplementary Submissions (#066.1 & #066.2) and witness testimony on 11 Dec 2024, to the Australian Parliament House of Representatives Select Committee on Nuclear Energy re their Inquiry into nuclear power generation in Australia.
You know there are already 450 nuclear power plants operational in the world, right?
It's almost like we could email one of those companies that has built them and get them to build another using THEIR expertise in the average timespan - about 5 to 8 years.
Sorry to knock you off your misinformed narrative.
The thought of Voldemort being prime minister terrifies me
I am terrified at the one we have.
They both work in unison for the same overlords
Temu Voldemort
Thank Trump and in particular Israel
@randomchannel7672 mark my words he has Michael Jackson vibe’s radiating out of his skin. He gives me the creeps
2:07 "Where will we store the waste?"
mumbles "I-don-kno".
That was hilarious!!!
Same place we store all the other waste, parliament house
Nuclear waste problem was solved decades ago. Most of the nuclear waste decontaminates in a week at most. The actually hazardous material is so low in volume that you can store decades worth of it in the area the size of a apartment complex. It is stored in Cement and Steel caskets made to withstand direct missile impacts much less any natural disasters.
The spent fuel can be 'reburnt' in next gen reactors. That is what you do with it.
@@Agent-57 - That's all kinds of false.
@@LuisAldamiz The low volume is definitely true. We could grind up all the nuclear waste and put it in our food and it would be so spread out that it would be basically harmless, and I am certain it would cause less irradiation than the coal we still burn.
Keep them coming! Thank you for the work you are doing bringing the facts to Australians. 👏
If they will listen
Reminds me of the old gag, "how can you tell when a Politician is lying? When you see their lips move".
Given that big sunny desert, you'd think there may be a better idea
The LNP crazies come up with the same talking points as overseas that solar and wind take up space, its Australia we've got space. Then they say it needs to be built far away and poles and wires thats why Dutton is proposing the old coal plant sites which dont need as much infrastructure while we have the desert where we could put Nuclear plants but because his plan relies on not having to spend on poles and wires to score his political point.
His plan is cooked just like his hairless brain dome.
In our towns and cities there is a *huge* amount of roof space. Ordinary people ( ok a lot richer than me) are already using that roof space to put solar panels. Two major plusses with this.
1 - can just add more and more easily.
2 - less wiring / poles / etc needed. The deserts are vast, and can be a long way from where people want power.
@wombat.6652 I mean, fossil fuels are ancient sunshine.
@@wombat.6652transmission loss is not something renewables are good with....
@@_nebulousthoughts IDK, Singapore is building a huge solar farm in the NT, Aussie putting in a 4,300km undersea cable back home... If Singapore can do it, surely aussies can find a way for local cities, which are way closer.
I was being sceptic until 02:50, now I get it all. Is not about Nuclear
Stop the Uniparty, always vote Independent first.
@@iseedumbpeople-AUS yeah cos the teals are absolutely going to improve your power bills…
@@pokinacha NOT!
Amen!
Check out the Citizens Party
@@pokinacha Sorry did the teals sell of power companies to Greedy Corporations?
It's amazing the lengths people will go to for corporate greed.
Please add the “Fuck All” calculators to your merch 😎
This video is spot on... the coalition are a bunch of pricks. I'm no fan of the current Labor government either, but this policy is next level stupid.
@@fairgo4156 Vote for the Greens and independants, then! 😁
You keep enjoying the cost of living 👍 This Labor government is the worst in Australia’s history.
@@peternut358 Not the worst but they do nothing substantive, I'm also not a fan of Labor. To be fair the coalition are just as bad, stupid policies like these designed to get them elected and then they will do f-all.
@ I'm not mad, definitely not the Greens, A good independent most likely. Fuck Labor and the Coalition.
@@fairgo4156 Name a worst government 🤔 I’m waiting.
I'm so glad that the governments are honest during their adverts!
How many new nuclear power plants went online last year across the globe? TWO. In the U.S., one was cancelled after they burned billions. Here in Australia we can't even keep a radioactive capsule from falling off a ute. We would be really crazy to build anything remotely resembling a nuclear power plant without any expertise to speak of when we've got so much clean energy here.
Too funny, ‘she’ll be right mate.’
Actual number was 5 ... FANGCHENGGANG-4, KAKRAPAR-4, SHIN-HANUL-2, BARAKAH-4, VOGTLE-4 ... Shin-hanul-2 and Barakah are 1400 MW reactors. A single 1400 MW reactor will produce about as much electricity in a year as about 20 Bungala solar farms ... (covering 15,000 hectares). They match about 8 GW of solar ... that's about 400,000 thousand tonnes of panels. In contrast a 1400 MW reactor pressure vessel is just 600 tonnes of steel. Most of the rest of the reactor is just concrete and more steel. If you care about the impacts of mining, then you will be very much pro-nuclear, because it has the least amount of mining. The reactor also doesn't need batteries and works at night. The Chinese have 29 reactors under construction. They are aiming for about 350 GW of nuclear to stabilise their grid. If you have 15-30% nuclear in a grid, a whole bunch of really tough problems vanish. These are problems nobody knows how to solve. You will find them described in various AEMO reports ... along with all the new software systems which we need but which don't exist anywhere on the planet. Wind and solar are incredibly cheap ways of producing very expensive and complex electricity.
56 being built in china currently
@@poimon5607 The number of nuclear power plants online in China is 57, with 28 under construction, according to International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) data.
Exactly! How much time, energy & money was spent on finding that 1 tiny little capsule because of **Faaaark** how dangerous it was.
But Spud is all "Let me build about a doz pack of reactors. And...... Trust me I'm a Politician, I work for Gi (oops) You!"
Yeah NAH! Nuclear Reactors, if you don't know.... Fucking find out (like for example Sellafield UK).
Dutton.......Gina's Handbag..!
swinefart's ballbag.
I like that image!
Hey.... Gina gets out there, gets the minerals for sale. Does some actual work. Even if she's abit of a bush pig.... She isn't the government that just takes money of people. Gina is the biggest Business man in Australia.
She isn't a politician. They try and play her just as much as they play the public
I’m voting for all the small parties … I wish more people would do that. Renewable, please.
🙏 thank you again your media for your honesty delivered with brilliant sarcasm
100% correct.
Source: I work in the industry.
❤molto bello Grazie.
Grazie mille! 🙏💛
Your work is amazing mates!
No way, something we haven't been spending money on for the past like 60 years will cost more money than stuff that's already been built? That's crazy
Yes; it is pretty crazy! Nuclear power plants expertise improved slightly, but safety regulation improved even more. It's different with solar, wind and batteries: they just keep dropping in price (well, wind has flattened out) due to economy of scale and many competitive lessons learned.
Where can I grab one of those calculators? Just curious so I can play along at home.
This was so much better than expected.
Back on crack alright. Hooefuly Australian's don't have that short of a memory - Admin
Unfortunately, our memory retention seems to be as long as the next news cycle.
Good to see you here Michael!
I came to reply, but I already forgot what you wrote.... 🙈
Unfortunately that's why the have the news on every 30min........ Breaking news! An electric car broke down. Fears it could have spontaneous combusted. It caused traffic jams of up to 5min!! (Meanwhile, please ignore the thousands of ICE cars that catch fire every week, & break down & cause traffic jams all the time🙈
Sorry, I've already lost faith in humanity
Lachy's working real hard on that att. spn thngy
Liebor is once again in the red and out of cred, this shit writes itself
You can't ever believe a word that comes from the Liberal, National coalition.
Or labor or greens or any politician for that matter
use their rhetoric as reminded by michaelia in the vid, if you don't know, vote no
I'd expand that to... pretty much all politicians.
But yeah, LNP is a touch worse than average.
It's a uniparty
@@jimidkfaneeds to go on a shirt with a cartoon picture of an atom
I like science lady. She's probably a superhero when she takes off the glasses.
The calculator is my favorite running gag. Also, genuinely surprised Nuclear is so relatively expensive. Personally, I don't mind nuclear power on principle (it's nowhere near as dangerous as most people imagine). However, if it's more expensive, then why are we exposing ourselves to the additional-- oh, never mind. Just remembered that partially spent fuel from reactors is a prerequisite for building nuclear weapons. Thanks for being informative as always, and giving me something to research and understand more deeply for this week. Much love from Zimbabwe.
Great to see the gang back on the airwaves! One thing some people forget is that nuclear power plants are incredibly thirsty for water, and Australia is still one of the driest continents on earth. And currently Oz has 1 power plant at Lucas Heights and even after all these decades, no govt has been able to figure out what to do with the waste from this single reactor! The choice is clear....
1) If the power plant was built in Loy Yang, it could use water from the Wonthaggi desalination plant which is currently just sitting there doing absolutely nothing.
2) Oh, getting rid of nuclear waste for should be as simple as dumping it in a hole in the middle of the outback. You can blame all the red tape that successive governments have put up for making it harder than that. Besides, have we got a plan for what we're going to do with all the electronic and plastic waste that we're going to get every three decades from retired solar panels, batteries, and wind turbines?
yea the waste problem has been solve, you burn it in liquid fuel reactors not current crap solid fuel nuclear reactors that burn up over 90% of the fuel instead of about 1% and the waste takes about 300 years to get back to background levels of radiation instead of 10,000 years in the case of solid fueled reactors, its why this video is shit and the libs plan is probably shit as well cuz they aren't considering next gen nuclear or liquid fueled reactors...
Also you don't have to use water for cooling there is super critical CO2 and other coolants that can be used instead
I hope no-one takes this video as a total anti-nuclear thing when obviously besides the point about it being a distraction, there's the point that starting nuclear out of almost nothing is an inefficient and expensive idea. Shutting down already extant nuclear (GERMANY, LOOKING AT YOU) is a garbage idea for example. But for Australia there's better options.
I see nobody talking about WHY nuclear is so expensive and slow.
It should be possible to build it way cheaper and faster, i believe.
@@blinking_dodoIncredibly strict safety guidelines , infrastructure and standards drag out the planning and construction of nuclear powerplants. Part of the reason they have such an expensive and long upfront cost but long term will best overall.
@@blinking_dodo better to be agnostic in these matters.
Agreed. Countries like Germany, Japan, and France; which have a strong history with nuclear, should be doing better with it. But thats a separate discussion. Australia, with zero nuclear power experience, has no chance.
But it IS anti nuclear, why would you build nuclear plants when you are 100% relying on renewables? (As they suggest would be feasible here, or did I miss something)
I bet they were lazy in doing research about what those batteries are for example, there simply is not enough available lithium in the world for energy storage to be feasible. What I mean by that statement is that IF you wanted to build so many lithium batteries then the price of lithium would skyrocket and you would simply run over budget and time limitations.. much as nuclear does.
I renew the call for the Juice Party in Parliament Oz and NZ it would be epic and badass
if we could only have some honest press releases and announcments like this .... holy shit that could be a game changer
It’s not quite fair to say that “all these countries with nuclear experience take decades to build new plants”, because we lost the expertise to build them efficiently a long time ago. New plant construction virtually stopped after the Three Mile Island PR disaster, and any remaining momentum died with Fukushima. These long construction times exist because we are redeveloping the industrial base. You’d expect Australia to build them only somewhat slower than the US in this case. The benchmark for experienced, quick construction would be a country like China, which typically takes 5-7 years to build a new reactor.
Not that it changes the outcome that much in this case, but I didn’t sit through a seminar series about nuclear economics for nothing!
Ok, but we also don't have the people trained to build, or operate a nuclear power plant. We don't have the people for "experienced, quick construction", and using China as an example when the quality of most mainland construction is iffy at best ain't the smartest plan around. Hell, we don't even have the education pathways to train the people set up. So before we can even think about building one bloody reactor, we've gotta get those other things up and running, and that'll take what.. a good decade or close enough to realistically. Nuclear is simply too expensive, requires too much and will take too long to be relevant, so continually carrying on as though it's feasible is just giving fossil fuels more lifespan.
@@RayneOfSaltchina's construction is not iffy the paper bridges thing is fake read up on it
@@Sadnessiuseless I wasn't referring to any bridges, I was referring to the numerous skyscrapers and apartment buildings that are crumbling from the inside before even being finished.
@@RayneOfSalt I wasn’t arguing that a nuclear buildup in Australia would be fast, especially not as fast as China. I literally said it would be slower than in the US. I just wanted to give some context for the statistics used in the video, since I thought they were misleading.
Even if it was quick and the price was accurate, it's still not worth it in a country that has nearly infinite sunlight and wind and space.
Just brilliant!! Thank you Juice Media!!
I ticked you because I agreed , but also you are a Metcalf. My maiden name was the same with an -E at the end. Unusual name. Yorkshire name.
“Our hearts go out”, oh shit 😂
Seriously though, us in America need to do something. 😔
It ain't gonna happen.☹
as much as i love nuclear, i think you're right. building new plants are a long-term benefit, and we've waited too long for long-term solutions to save us. if we started 20 years ago, it would be great.
We're always so behind on technology because the LNP love to play conservative. The nbn is a classic example. We'd all have fibre internet by now if it wasn't for the LNP.
Better to start now than keep delaying
@@angusladyman-palmer397 No. It already doesn't stack up financially compared to renewables. In 20 years, it will be an even worse disparity. We are blessed in Australia to be able to rely on renewables so heavily - the only reason it's not more popular is because it's harder for the rich to make money out of it.
@@Lokki_1984 If it doesn't supposedly stack up then why not remove the ban and actually prove that it doesn't stack up?
@@angusladyman-palmer397 Don't need to remove a ban to conduct feasibility analysis etc.
If our road workers are anything to go by, it will take 5x longer than other countries
No surprise. Five guys standing there, chatting, and one lightly dangles a shovel...
With another handful traffic controllers on the payroll 😂
that dig at Labor at the end was brilliant
Gold as usual!
You could also mention that half of sites where reactors are "planned" have earthquakes...
@@qbas81 champ, do you even understand what an earthquake is? Or why they happen? Let me learn you some. Australia is a continent which means it is part of a tectonic plate. We are smack bang in the middle of the Indo-Australia Plate.
Earthquakes occur when tectonic plates move and grind against each other.
Being as Australia is in the middle of a plate the chances of having earthquakes in the magnitude capable of causing damage to a reactor is very low. Now there have been earthquakes in Australia, the most deadly I believe was the 1989 Newcastle earthquake which was 5.6. Fukushima was 7.3.
I’ve felt earthquake in Australia, most notably in Darwin but the point is, with modern construction methods, having an earthquake is less dangerous than muppets like you moving your mouth before you engage your brain.
@pokinacha "Muppet"?
How charming, I like Muppets!
So you must be aware that building in places with earthquake risks requires special considerations and construction making the whole operation more expensive?
But it doesn't really matter - these power stations are not going to happen.
@@qbas81 nuclear reactors are built to higher standards than your standard house. Just like coal and hydro. The cost won’t be any different.
If you've ever watched the Muppets, you'll find that they're very loveable. Please don't use them as an insult. That'd be like having a conservative party called the liberal party and wouldn't make sense except as an ironic lie that only hypocrites or idiots could believe in.
@@qbas81 Thank God for it! I don't want a potential dirty b0mb in my backyard! 😮
Nuclear power can be nice if you already have the infrastructure and the expertise and trained professionals for it. But Oceania doesn't have any of that. The generation from renewables can fluctuate so nuclear is good for like stabilising the grid or something, but you can usually have the same effect with hydroelec unless your in a drought. Can;t wait until nuclear fusion drops and becomes commercially viable.
Thing is, basically no one has the infrastructure / expertise anymore for it - for decades everyone had their nuclear industry lapse, so everyone world-wide is pretty much rebuilding their nuclear industry from near-scratch. That, and extensive regulations, are why worldwide nuclear projects have as much issues as they do in terms of time delays and budget overruns.
@@SCComega China, South Korea can build new plants in 5 years. Russia is probably third best right know.
I'm in Georgia, near the mentioned nuclear power plant, Plant Vougle, and yes, it's true. It took forever to get even partially built, it costed way more than initially expected and it has been ridden with rumors of money laundering and other scandals for years.
The electorates that vote for it, should definitely get them
I think if the world is a civilisation game and we pick australia, we should have an inherent bonus to sun and solar energy as a factional perk.
We do!
It's too late America already won a cultural victory already
Love you Australia.
I wish we in India had this kind of satire....
Love these videos. The elephant in the room regarding nuclear power is the radiation degrades everything it comes into contact with. This includes the steel and concrete causing a physical breakdown in structure leaving the materials radioactive for tens of thousands of years and the reactors only last about 25 years before they fail.
@thejuicemedia - you forgot to mention "The NBN" at 1:37 😔
I come for the ad, stay for the calculator…
There's actually at least one place where a nuclear power plant has been successful: Springfield, where Burns and Homer run the show. Perhaps the Liberals will be using this as an example?
We have the equivalent Scomo and Dutton
So you believe the Simpson's is real...maybe you caught a 3 eyed fish too😅
@@darrenferme1407 What?? It's not real??! Gee, I'm sure glad somebody finally let me know!
@Avianthro how was the fish...did you share it with Smithers
@@darrenferme1407 It was so good that I felt all glowing inside after I ate it, and Smithers has never looked better to me.
"Approximately F**k All"
Never gets old.
Haha. The same in Poland. In addition, electricity companies switching off fotovoltaics when its producing too much energy, as they have no powerbanks to store it.
Got any dams for pumped hydro, or plans for using the excess to make green hydrocarbons?
I want a calculator that says "Fuck All" everytime I push the "=" key.
I think Dutton is going to order a Modular Nuclear Reactor off Ebay and assemble it in his own backyard !! 🤣
with a 3D printer. Will take ages and overheat.
You could put glasses on a pig and it would look more capable of building a Nuclear plant than Duddon!
bold of you to assume the pig needs glasses
I live in Newcastle New South Wales. The Hunter does not want a nuclear power station. We do not want it. We do not want it. We do not want it. We do not want it. We would prefer it was built in Canberra. The first one. Let’s see how that goes.
Not Canberra - Dutton's electorate.
Yep build it next to parliament house then disposal is right next door with all the other waste
Aye, If it is so safe, let them build it in the wealthiest suburb in each state.
Coal is king.
Hey Peter Dutton what lies are you going to tell us next.
That he's growing hair
Just 1 page and no treaty ...ha ha yer 🤣
Labor are proven liars. You just assume Dutton is in your head. 😆
It would be easier to list the times he tells the truth...
@@gerardhogan3 pppppft, when hell freezes over......
According to the report, renewables are cheaper than coal. Why are we charged a premium if you pick a “renewables” electricity plan then?
Cause the grid is unreliable
Because power companies can charge you what they want. Very little of your bill is actual electricity cost. You can see this a lot more clearly if you buy your own solar panels, for instance: those panels are cheap and paid off in only a couple of years. Large-scale solar arrays are of course much cheaper still. My guess is that those premiums serve a triple purpose: 1) to begin with, they scared most people away from buying green power, letting power companies greenwash while protecting their coal plants and super-expensive gas; 2) they could earn a tidy sum from ethic customers who were willing to pay the premiums; 3) they could blame the long-overdue grid upgrades on renewables.
It sounds like Australia is just as fucked as the U.S.
Happy times! 😪
Not yet, but if the Labor Party (our allegedly progressive party) doesn't get it's finger out and start supporting the ordinary person, they're going to get voted out and the Liberal (our conservatives) and National (mining and land barons) party coalition will regain power. THEN we'll be right royally fucked.
Not even close, mate! The s***show in the USA is unparalleled.
Lol no one is as fucked as america currently. I really have never been more glad to not be from the us. Yall are cooked and sitting watching it happen while no one lifts a finger is mad
@blima-1963 Don't be so sure, mate. The oligarchs are calling the shots in both places. It will get bad Down Under as well, when they finally make their move.
@@dan_hitchman007 hes right though, no one is as bad as america currently in the west. You are totally cooked
... to say, we are screwed, is an understatement ...
if the libs get elected then yes we are, a Dutton government is just about the worst thing that could happen to this country. but you can always vote against them
Brilliant - those EU countries blow out costs were reasonable compared to the 6 times(so far) just for snowy 2.0 I cant even begin to comprehend the cost blowout for nuclear in Au! And don't get me going about the time blowout. Cheers
Why would we go nuclear when we have the biggest green energy options in the world. Out with the lobbyists
Nuclear weapons. It's the first reason that they're built & the propaganda is that it is for electrical power for the grid.
Nuclear power plants can be built much faster though, the issues tend to be due to decades of anti-nuclear energy laws and regulations, at least in most western democracies. As an example, when we started building nuclear power plants in Sweden, the quickest one took 4 years, the second runner up took 5 and the rest took under 10 years. When the government was for nuclear energy that is. Now they are saying it will take 20 years here as well. Partly because the land we can use for it is owned by german companies (!) and laws and regulations are a quagmire after decades of "green" parties having a say here.
I love y’all!!! And I wish you could make some American ads … god knows we have enough shitfuckery to keep y’all working for years lol💙
The sheer tonnage of shitfuckery in the US could power 50 nuclear reactors for 4 years, ya poor buggers.
You do realise these guys and girls have families, and want some time away from making these videos!!!
They’d need to take on all of your (required) illegal immigrant labour force to keep up with the copious content!
@ ahh but we Americans can dream 😂
Accurate!
Agree - but don't you have anything similar? I mean - it's a tradition - going back a long time -to lampoon and hold to account those who need to be exposed as fools?
I actually think that nuclear power here is a good idea, but I’m not voting Liberal to get it. Every time that party gets voted in terrible things happen.
Dudd-on is a cop. Once a cop, always a cop...
Police 🚨 State incoming!... 😱🫣
BABE WAKE UP NEW HONEST GOVERNMENT AD JUST DROPPED
the juice must flow
Nice. Well done. 👏 👏 👏 😂