The QN506 Is Terrible
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- Опубліковано 8 кві 2023
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The Chinese QN506 is the latest crafting event reward from Gaijin, and boy oh boy, is it not worth the grind at all. Compared to other IFVs like the BMP-2M, it is worse in every metric while having a higher battle rating. I don't even think it'll sell well on the marketplace, so don't bother with it. Spend some time with your family instead of playing War Thunder nonstop for something that will ultimately disappoint you.
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More videos on less insanity-inducing vehicles soon :)
Also happy Easter
Then you should play the swing fire
How about one of your favorite vehicles but with a controller
The M24 chaffe, but only with AP.
@@britishspy4791 He should play the Striker its way better
Black prince finaly?-
Props to Spookston for having sanity to deal with the state of QN506 just for the video
I just had to cut out the bonafide mental breakdowns. Most of them anyway.
Seeing you comment everywhere lately
@@Spookston props to you having to put up with that day
WHY ARE YOU EVERYWHERE
@@canadianbaconeer3857 eh it's just your regular comment spamming guy like the mustache one. They see video thumbnail -> comment something that is generally true -> get attention
This is one of the times “playing X IFV, but I only use the cannon” would be less of a challenge than more with how doodoo the missiles are
"Playing QN506, but I only use the fire-and-forget missiles"
@@Hookens no
NO
They seem to be quite effective against choppers though. Maybe just spare them for those.
But I already use only the cannon most of the time on the Type 89
@@Notmyname1593 ye, at that ppint, it's just a discount LAV-AD but much worse
The fire and forget is from the PoV of the missile. It fires and then forgets what it was supposed to do.
At 2:12 the missile just remembered after forgetting.
Hahaggaga best summary
The missile forgor💀
the missile does not know where it is. it has alzheimers
the missile knows where it is by knowing where it isnt but this missile doesnt even know where it isnt
the missile knows where it is, by taking where it wants to be subtracted by where it was.
however, this missile forgot where it wanted to be.
To be fair, it feels like Gaijin made this tank to be as unique as possible, but were scared that it would be OP and nerfed it into oblivion.
If they really tried to make it as unique as possible then that's a step in the right direction with event vehicles, rather than soviet heavies and merkavas
The probmel is not with the QZ.
Remember the German Tiger with its Fnf Missles and how insane it was when it came out. Well Gaijin nerved them into the ground and because of that this Chinese boy has to suffer from those changes too
Yeah looks kinda like a case of:
Forums group 1: give us ff missiles
Forums group 2: no they will be op
Gaijin: for once we agree with your points
Watch as they add the Russian Terminator and it has none of these problems and can fire on the move
@@LtAlguien Because gaijin seems to think the Kornet is the absolute peak of ATGM development
@@ivanvukadin3194 i don't. I played 10 hours of war thunder and never played it again. I only watch videos
the worst part about the LAV killing you was that it was the he round overpressuring you by hitting the ERA, at least I think that's what those panels are
They are ERA.
You see, the chinese installed plastic explosives on the front to completely annihilate the vehicle upon taking a hit. This way the crew is more motivated to not get hit and the enemy can't steal the advanced technologies in the vehicle via capture.
@@HYPER-FREEZER brilliant
@@HYPER-FREEZER All praise the genius of the Glorious Chinese State
@@HYPER-FREEZER " advanced"
Spookston I think you should do a gameplay video on the cm11, it’s truly a hidden gem, it has the m1 abrams firing system, and an m48 turret mounted on a m60 body. This gives it a faster reload than the m60, it also makes up for most of the armor loss on the m48 turret by suiting it up in ERA
I'll make a video on it sometime soon, I had to request it as I didn't have it researched
@@Spookston thanks
Long live the Republic!
I agree I asked before too. Would love to see it.
@Zubulor it's shit, the only good M60 around that BR is the turkish 9.7 one, otherwise you are too painfully slow to do anything
This is a prime example of what happens when the missile doesn't know where it is, nor where it isn't.
10:50 - Because it knows where it isn't. Duh...
Spookston and community before QN506: Fire and forget missiles would be a terriable edition
After QN506: 0_o missile does forget
They certainly weren't wrong. These misiles are a terrible addition to the game XD
I mean you can't really blame people. Maybe gaijin made this shit so they can just add it without the backlash then magically "fix" it later. Like what they are gonna do with the damage model of su25 since they already sold enough.
Just a note; the F&F missiles are thick and quite heavy and they take a few seconds to be airworthy under their own power, meaning that you should angle them upwards by 15-20 degrees elevation to consistently get kills with them. Angling your launchers level or sometimes downwards is going to result in them just falling to the ground, since they don't have the clearance in that case to be used properly.
I'm assuming that's why the javelin is built with an angle upwards from the scope and interface of it.
@@jeremeymcdude sorta yeah, javs are cold launched to protect the firer and optics from getting blasted with motor, they get shot out maybe a meter or two in front of the launcher before it's motor actually ignites. So theey sorta go up and drop down before the motor fires
@@schuylerhayes9283 still sort of the same concept I would guess considering they have a launch angle from the shooter albeit to give it time ti let the rocket kick on before it hits the ground and completely fails and or goes whatever direction it wants to go.
@@jeremeymcdude Sounds like building the vehicle with the big missiles pointing forward was a pretty stupid idea then.
This tank looks like one of those dumb vehicles on chinese arms fairs, where the just throw together a bunch of mostly soviet garbage together and hope someone cares.
I guess Gaijin feel for it.
@@termitreter6545 If you look it up it is a real thing but afaik it's not a vehicle they ever put into service
"The missile doesnt know where it is, because it knows nothing"
10:45 i think the missile saw the other missile and veered off for a moment, how can gaijin make a missile that's simultaneously so sensitive to heat that it can catch a rocket engine outside its view but can't lock a tank unless the entire thing is exposed
I'm not a scientist but, i think a literal fire trail is way hotter than the engine block of a hull down tank.
@@Clement9892 that’s not the point, the point is that it can veer off to an unintended target but it can’t lock something being directly targeted despite a clear thermal signature
@@dakotahondalock5621 a hull down tank has NO clear thermal signature (especially from the front) unless its turret is extremely heated by the sun while its surroundings are somehow not. The hottest parts of the tank (engine/exhaust) are hidden while hull down. And at shorter distances the atgm would have to be fired straight up, to get a clear view of the tanks hot parts. But when flying straight up, the seeker of the atgm faces away from ground, so no signature from the tank.
There's a reason why laser/radar guided atgms like the hellfire exist.
Irl it has electro optical locking but gaijin says no
@@gavinlightfoot5521 that makes it even worse
This distinguished gentleman has a spectacular ability to endure such hardship, and to add to such hardship I am formally submitting my 26th request for Spoopy to play the Conqueror
The goofy appearance and guided rockets + cannon just remind me of something youd see in an RTS made around 1999-2002
Yeah I thought the same like an RTS Tank with a stereotypical name from asia 'cause it's inspired from this thing lmao
"Flame Dragoon Tank unit's moving out sir"
9:45 is the exact moment where we can see Spookston loses his sanity after his missile missed.
"If even Spookston struggles with a vehicle, you know it is awful."
-Sun Tzu, Art of Gaijin'd
spookston: this tank is extra bad
also spookston: casually gets twice as many kills with it as me on my best run
A rule of thumb is to divide the amount of kills he gets by 2 and expect that for what you get on your best round.
Twice as many kills he compiled from like.. 20 videos, he said it himself lol don't be fooled by the edit, you are doing just as well 👍
yeah, spookston doesn't really hide the fact that he records like a ton of battles and picks out the most entertaining stuff
Always has been
@@hellohelloington9442 like an hours worth of battles
It was also 9.3 before release, I wouldn't be surprised if they saw people saying it was gonna be OP when it was announced and brought it up a bit before hand
Absolutely in awe that gaijin actually made fire and forget top attack missiles bad
theyre seething about the current main killer of russian tanks irl so they had to make them bad
We have terminator at home
Terminator at home:
Apparently, IFV/ATGM Carrier being able to fire atgm on the move is a "Russian Vehicles exclusive" mechanic for some reason. Even the ZT3A2, which has 2 plane stab and is a beam riding missile. Cannot fire on the move, even DENEL THEMSELVES says that it can fire on the move yet gaijin goes noo.. russian exclusive mechanic
the japanese ifv could fire on the move before and had more missiles but they removed both and added HE missiles that cant pen anything
m551 sheridan, m60a2 starship,. raketenjadgpanzer 2, raketen HOT, amx13 HOT all can fire on the move. but nooo russian bias am i right???
t. least brain damaged russian bias believer
Update: QN506 can fire missile on the move now :)
@@anantopuradi7187 ZT3A2 still can't. And the FNF is the only atgm that u can fire on the move, the smaller ones still can't
@@errornamenotfound2513 ehh doesnt change the fact that mechanic is not exclusive to russian only. I just hope that gaijin will fix their vehicles stats and mechanics one by one soon
"Should I keep tally of how many times I've died to CAS?" - Spookston
I did it for him. I may have missed a death or two, but I've counted 283 total deaths from enemy players, with 69 (nice) of those being from CAS, or 24.4%. I expected a higher number, but there were a lot more videos where Spooks only died to tanks when compared to only CAS. Yes, I am a mad man and sat through hours of Spooks content :)
I'll probably keep grinding it. It looks really cool and is unique. We got an event vehicle that isnt an obscure russian heavy tank or american light tank
True even when It sucks I still want it cuz why not
I got it and I like it. Just hide behind hills and make sure to aim up 20-30 degrees before firing the big missiles at tanks. Gives them the perfect angle to come down right on top.
Good Chinese AAs often comes without an AA label
Yes, I am taking to you, Z-19/19E and QN506
I think the missiles will be fixed soon after the event. The lock on stuff however...
Gaijin struggles with ANY kind of lock-on system. (Specially radar and laser.)
You have no idea.... the Tiger UHT, Has also F&F ATGM'S, they are also the same pain as on the QN
Why does it need to stop before firing???
@@LOL-zu1zr apparently, according to lots of Chinese commenters it can fire on the move so its just an artificial nerf
@@gavinlightfoot5521 That's absolutely what it is. There is no missile in existence that can't be fired on the move. Gaijin is just retarded and uses that "feature" for "balance."
In the first days after the lock-on missiles were implemented, Air-to-Air missiles caused server crashes. The only ones using them were griefers. The rest begged each other not to use them. On, across and between both sides.
Some players on Chinese social media had a theory on why the FOF missiles didn't work as intended. Apparently, for FOF missiles, like the QN and PARS, Gaijin placed a "beacon" near the center mass of each vehicle that these missiles would lock as a target instead of the entire vehicle. Thus unless the "beacon" is exposed, there is no way FOF missiles would lock on a target.
9.7 while at release the BMP-2M was 8.7, makes a lot of sense
I've heard that adjusting angle of fire on the missile (the big one) helps with its tracking of tanks, especially at close range. I've also heard that the smaller ones are in fact guided rockets which explains their power and size. Could be wrong but maybe this info will help the QN not seem as bad.
wat
how does this help
The small ones are missiles. You can lock planes and hit them with the small missiles from about 3.5km out, radar guided
@@squillz8310 hes saying guided rockets in the way they do hardly as much damage as usual missiles, and have to be spammed to reliably do anything
@@PrivateMemo exactly. They're best used for very light vehicles, or planes.
The small ones are guided, but not much pen
Spent 2 days, 5 hours each day grinding for it. 3000-3500 score on average per game, top 3 in almost every game. Thought I was golden. Checked my progress after 10 hours. 1/3 of the way towards the FIRST certificate. I value my time higher than that.
feed the snail
Bro how?? I allready got i certificate and maybe 2 mechs worh of mats
Actual skill issue im almost finishing my second one right now
Hey Spookston, you should play the SU-85M the armor against 88s and 76s is actually insane at 5.0, an actual hidden gem.
It's been a long while since you have played the LAV-AD. Seeing as you brought that vehicle up it would be an interesting follow-up.
You should totally play the AMX-13 DCA 40. It’s super good and the best AMX-13. So fun to gun down panzer 4s with 94mm pen auto cannon rounds at 4.3.
Day 7
That vehicles is the only reason I migrated to RB from AB cause how expensive the repair cost in AB, its even more expensive then most high tier vehicles in any nation
Nooo plz you can be sure it will get UpBred to death if spookston play it 😢😢
Another cool video, made me chuckle a fair bit.
Can you make a video on IT-1? I heard it was OP years ago, would be interested to know how it performs nowdays.
Pretty sure it's still really good.
The thing is still fantastic, fire on the move, able to fire with pretty much your whole vehicle hidden behind cover (allowing enough room for the atgm to launch), armor protects against gun runs (unlike other ATGM carriers for the most part) and can allow you to survive perhaps a hit or two or some bombs. I've got a 2.0 KD with it, sitting at 196 kills and 94 deaths (counting air as it can be an effective heli killer). Just gotta deal with pretty meh teams, but worst case, it's still a good brawler for CQC.
That moment when your own ERA kills you because of the overpressure. Looks like this ERA was made in Taiwan
This vehicle embodies the phrase “sounds good, doesn’t work”….
I’d be interested to see you play the QF 3.7 Ram. I’ve really been enjoying grinding Britain with it, it’s surprisingly survivable given what it is. And of course 200mm of pen at 5.3 is a plus!
I'm so glad I've chosen to want the A-7K, it's mostly so I have another topish tier jet(I also grinded the IDS event), though I thought on paper this should've slayed
the a7k is dogshit, its not even that good at being a strike aircraft
dont bother grinding it honestly
I feel so bad for you because the A7k is even worse LOL
Honestly idk why i even grind this event
I don't play France, i don't really care for Air RB since i found it even more annoying to fight in than Ground so QN was frankly my only real choice given i also play China
A7K is way worse lmao
Terrible which means it will be super good later because Gaijin will be like "Alright, let's put it at 8.3"
I can see them fixing the fire and forget missiles later on as well, It honestly seems like a good vehicle as a backup. My opinion tbh.
I was so pumped getting this then we'll you made a video about it I'm thinking should I get the jet or this?
I just have a question for ya spook, can you tell me how to use commander fire control on pt76b. I have my controls set up and it works for vehicles with computer fire controls in test drive. In battle I can't seem to fire the gun with the commander? Is there a trick is it different somehow? Besides loving to play Wt what am I doing wrong?
Hey, spookston, can you play the mbt 70, the 152 mm missles and apfsds, and the 20 mm secondary i think it would be a fun vehicle to play after this video tbh
Not gonna lie, im always sad when an event comes around, i know i've got too many commitments to add playing warthunder more than 3 times a week to the list. but seeing the way this one turned out? well, it brings a smile to my face
Edit: I lied i love these goofy ah vehicles so i am sad
Someone on bilibili made a video on how the guidance of fire and forget missiles work in war thunder, apparently there is only a single spot that missiles (tv, radar, IR) will aim for on a tank every single time, and it is generally in between the upper front plate and the turret base, where, you know, the armor is the thickest.
Also, if this one single point is not in the line of sight, it will not be locked no matter how obvious it is to you.
except it can pen all of the tanks there but the abrahms.
One of the best vids you've done, had me lolling
Spookston, you should play the Semovente 75/46 M43, it's a heavily overshadowed italian tank destroyer but when it comes to busting vehicles, it's not just a pizza oven, but much more!
(Day 21)
If you want a higher chance of him seeing this try commenting stupidly early i notice he usually replies to thoes kind of comments
Great Effort
Well as long as it isn't broken overpowered I'm usually content with the additions. One vehicle less to research is so preferable to one vehicle to rule them all.
When I saw this was coming to the game I figured it would be a 8.3-8.7 vehicle.
But hey at least with YTs saying it's bad it will mess with the market place a bit. Grreat success.
Can you take a look at ST-A 3 ? Not many people did video about it, sadge
Odd request but I would love to see your play the m26 T99, or maybe even the M42 SPAA, just for you to suffer a little bit
Yea cause he never suffers for his buffoon audience
Seems like the IR missiles are bugged. The seeker, despite shooting straight up and getting a top-down picture of the target, breaks lock and detonates (unless by some chance it's slaved to the vehicle IRL?). So...bug (I hope)? Hoping same for the commander's sight.
As I told my son, it's kinda like they wanted to make sure it wasn't broken OP on release. But if it had been a Premium? They would have made sure it was broken OP.
Edit: Whenever I play Premium tier I swear most of my team just follows me around spamming their laser rangefinder until they die and then leave. And I WISH that was hyperbole, altogether too much truth in it.
Happy Easter Spookston. If you’d like to play an enjoyable tank I’d recommend the KV-220! It’s hard to not have a good time in that!
Best part: this thing didn't even get out of the showroom back in 2018
But yeah imo the fire and forget are just delegated to helis at best, and the other atgms for tanks, best in short bursts
As a china main, I seriously recommend the AFT09. Very good
I really dont care that its bad. Its neat and has some unique aspects that'll probably be interesting to play with.
Amen
sounds like coping from either spending way too much time and or money on something bad in the pursuit of meta chasing.
@@brochodoce5006 or it’s just fun 🤷♂️ and it’s a video game
@@grim0882 personally I would do anything else with my time and money than grind this goofy alibaba BMPT.
@@stunningandbased5516 well I already got it, sure it ain’t as good as I thought it would be but it’s not really that bad tbh. Just situational like a lot of the other tanks in the game.
I've been playing Air AB for a while and have decided to camp at BR 5.3 . Is there a similar BR for Ground and Naval AB ?. I want to do it so I can master the basics. Thanks
The "Fire and Forget" seems more like a "You fire and it forgets where its going" Missile.
What about a video on the ARL 44? You don't really see it too much, and for good reason, especially since it just has this look of being perpetually disappointed
Funny enough: the Tiger UHT´s PARS behave similar to the QN502CDD .. maybe a video on the UHT next?
funny (no) that BMP-2M and KA-50/52 players still say that they have a weakest tank/ heli in game, and (you finally get a kill with F&F missile) "you have F&F missiles, it's too OP".
@@Ivan_sukhomlyn true
Your videos of single-handedly got me back into war thunder after a 7-year hiatus
the F&F Missiles loft for a top down attack, but due to how it works ingame, they loft upwards to hit helos
Gaijin really pulling their strings with testing new mechanics. Even Spike in Mobile infantry doesnt as this bad.
Except when hitting the roof of the t80 :c
it is as bad, 99% of the time it locks on and either doesnt fire or the lock goes through the ground and under the map
This vehicle is basically "the missile knows where it is at all times' meme.
except the opposite
I'll be honest, when I test drived it, those weird missles worked better when they had a second to launch compared to launching it of the bat I don't know if the system in the game has a second delay to have better targeting system when it takes a second to launch after locking but I have had it with air to air missles where they'll lock then switch immediately to some random airspace where I don't know where there is an ir signature and it made no sense so yeah but I had better hope for this vehicle
I would like to see your take on the stb1 and type 74 c I think they are at the wrong br 8.0 is to high for them and them being the only tanks you can use besides the sta’s hurts so much.
How about the type 89? It's still a pretty fun tank. If you wanted to suffer you could take the he atgms
the missles do forget when you fire them, i dont see whats the issue?
can you play the american T-26 next? or any US 6.3-6.7 for that matter, i'm really suffering trying to grind through those and could use some pointers
M60A3 TTS suffer bus? Also love your content man stay strong bro!
I think on maps like Maginot or the long range version of Eastern Europe and Poland it would be plausible to use.
(also day 2 of asking for the challenger 2 series video)
I think the desert as well, just that he took the left flank when he should of went up the hills. I had better success with elevation sight lines
I know it's not as powerful as some of us expected, but I still want to get it. I'm thinking at this point though, I may just wait and buy it rather than grind. Odds are, prices are going to be pretty low, given how weak it's turned out to be (I'm also hoping they change some of it's fire control systems later on and allow you to fire on the move).
Event vehicles are allways broken at launch, Tornado IDS had for some reason CCRP removed for 5 weeks after the event.
@@alphana7055 tornado is still broken as it’s “anti-ship” missiles can’t even propely target ships!
@@Error_-xn7po Seems like unique missles from events just don't work, lol.
@@Error_-xn7po It works oddly well on frigates and anything smaller. But I swear as soon as I target a battleship it hits the funnels or sails over.
yo man i'd like to see you play the concept 3 for the british tech tree, ive been quite successful with it!
5:20 apparently, no, the small ones arent even beam-riding, but SACLOS with no ECCM. you not only cant fire it on the move, its also jammed by IRCM
Personally I like to think the downsides balance the vehicle
Only for those playing in its br range.
I don't care for these event vehicles and I'm just going to save myself from unnecessary pain.
Probably should join my brother back down below 3.0 br.
You should try the AMX-10RC, currently grinding for it, would love to see your take !
A video on some of the new Italian meme trucks might be a good pallet cleanser after this nightmare. Happy easter!
Hi, I just watched your recent QNA and u mentioned stuff about having health problems. How's everything going now and are u 100% ?😊
The S570 loitering bomb is not added. It’s basically a drone with HE warhead. The launcher is the two rectangle boxes next to the cooling fan in the back of the turret base.
The QN502 missile has the manual mode in real life.
Tbh I can see it working decently as a spaa, the fire and forget are good to deal with helis at long range and the smaller missiles being easy to lead against closer planes and helis.
This this is a really good aa as the tracking for your 20 small atgms work well and the fire and forget ones are great for low flying aircraft but it’s just not a good vehicle
You should play the T-54 1949, absolutely amazing tank that gets downtierd constantly!! Love your vids btw
So what would u say about the plane? Is it worth it or just as bad in terms off playability as this abismal tank?
Can you attempt the strf 9040B? It has been buffed since last patch with a better reload for the autoloader
from watching the video, I think the big missiles are better used in AA capacity (they hit helis but a lot later), small ones are good for spaming anything on the ground together with the gun
Despite the fire & forget missiles are named ATGM's, you should use them only against Choppers, planes & attack drones cuz if you havent noticed they lock on the engine exhaust & don't track if any thing is in the way.
I would be happy to see a video about the M15 CGMC.
I appreciate that you are not afraid to speak about broken things in WT.
Spookston: "this thing sucks"
also spookston: destroys half the enemy team.
oh dang data loss sucks, do you have any sort of BDR or other backup system?
11:25, yeah i get that sometimes too. Played the Amx 50 100 the other day and some light shot me from the back in my engine with a heat round. Crew got overpressured. And on the other hand, a solid 15Kg shell went right through a gunner -> turns yellow. Yeah seems logic to me.
Gaijin logic💀
Hey dude great video I've been watching all your vids I have gallstones and hoping to have surgery soon thanks for making me laugh in this bad time in my life
Speaking of the LWS, does it warn only against laser rangefinders or do you get a warning when someone's guiding a laser guided missile into you as well?
Play the new french tank from the crafting event ( love your vids btw)
How hard is the event? So far I’m tryinf to grind it the free way and it’s taking a while. I just wanna tank that’s rare bc my accounts decently new
can we all just take a second to appreciate the J35A and XP-50 at 1:30
Happy Easter Spookston
(can you play the AMX-40 yet)
I like you. You entertain me. Keep it up👍
r u ok
also what is your war thunder comfort vehical? and can you play it for us?
I was playing the swedish rank one (I'm new to it and trying to get a feel for their tanks) and the stock shell that the swedish 37mm gets is *ASS*
Anyway nice video man keep up the good work, but don't do it too much!
Hey spookston, have you ever reviewed the is6? By any chance could you maybe make a vídeo about the old bias Russian tank?
its hard to believe a vehicle with fire and forget targeting ground vehicles from the top will ever be useless