This Toyota Beat My Lamborghini in a Race...
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I put my Lamborghini Huracan in a head to head touge battle with this Toyota GT86 to see if twisty touges are actually the great equalizer of cars, as shows such as Initial D, Fast & Furious and MF Ghost would have you believe.
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I don't think the 86 would destroy any supercar soon but im curious to see you in a lambo against someone who is competent in tuning and using the GT86 in Akina.
YEESSSS
The 86 in my ghost makes 350 horsepower and has better suspensions
@@huyra8019 that's the current specs. The opening race spec makes it 200+ hp
Imagine trb 03
I used to fly down akina in gt86, and was getting some good time for an 86 standard, i think there is a misconception about the whole "slow car faster than fast car in corners", even in Initial D, you didn't see stock 86 competing with a Diablo or Murcielago, it competed with max 400hp cars and even then AE86 had pretty healthy 240HP by that time. When it had stock 4AGE Takumi would and did loose with that black EVO.
I think comparing 600+HP car with a semi automatic box to a barely 200hp manual 86 is like comparing nokia 3310 to newest greatest smartphone.
I mean, to be completely fair, it was made clear in Initial D that the 86 was indeed weak on straights, even when running down the mountains, and only really had overtaking opportunities at curves rather than straights. The only thing running down gave it was momentum to gain some extra speed in the straights, but honestly the real reason it only ran going down was really because it struggled going at high speeds going up.
If this is about MF Ghost, though... Well, that one is honestly a mess.
Mf ghost's rules aren't even bad. The only thing is that they don't account for aero
@@nade5557 They are... they really are bad
@@zx921 grip to weight level is the same so all cars could corner at the same speed. the heavier cars would handle worse. Cars with more power would stress the tyres more and wouldnt be able to put the power down well, that matters because in mf ghost they go round the course several times. On twisty roads like those near hakone the rules are passable
@@nade5557 Yeah but there are a lot of plot holes and stuff that the rules don't compensate for. For example, what's stopping the contestants from weight reduction, giving their cars a ton of hp or ,as you mentioned, aero upgrades? Also "grip to weight" doesn't make sense. Tyres are only a part of the equation when it comes to handling. Suspension, differentials and electronic assists would put supercars on domination level. MF ghost has potential but the author doesn't know a thing about motorsport...
As far as MF Ghost goes, it seems that it's more-so a driver issue. The majority of the pilots are braking quite hard in corners, while Kanata is stated to pretty much throw himself into a corner at almost full speed, similar to what Takumi did. So I can fathom him getting ahead, especially after adding a turbo to his car.
But I'm failing to understand how he manages to catch up to Michael, since he's in a better car + on par with Kanata in technique. As far as the lower ranks go, it makes...some sense. But with the top 3 drivers who all boast superior cars, it's really confusing.
It might be a dig at MF Ghost, but it's still incredibly fun! The GT86 may have been smoked, but man would it be fun to try and race it againts the Huracan!
in mfghost I think they have a ruleset of powerful cars having to use thin tyres, so they cant actually put down all that power
@@CrowJam I think it's still very flawed, because I don't think there are any rules against a properly tuned AWD system, good TCS, good stability control, etc
@@InitiateDee I think there are penalties for 4WD systems. TCS and stability don't actually matter much at the pro level. In fact it may make you slower because you have less control over the car. The only problem in MF Ghost is that they don't account for aero. All the other rules would even the playing field reasonably
@@CrowJam It's also not quite stock, and it usually places midfield until it gets a supercharger.
with literally 0 drift. the opportuninty to drift to 86 is why this race had to happen
2:50 *COOL VIBRATIONS*
The last race was straight out of an initial d episode lmao
Ah yes Third Stage the movie.
And then Shingo showed up for the pit maneuver
Ryosuke said "Sometimes, to be faster, you need to lower te power of engine.
In a technical course
Mountain roads are not the Great Equalizer of cars, but of drivers. The narrow streets and twisty corners means you cant simply rely on the setup of your car, whether for power or handling. You have to be skilled enough to navigate the route, while remembering any imperfections or weird mountain road things like single lane bridges. All the while fighting the pressure of beating the other car, and trying not to focus on the fact that (realistically) one mistake could send you flying off into the trees for your trip down the river Styx.
last corner gave me tak vs sudo vibes
fr
Well that same corner is where sudo lost
I had someone tell me that a "heavy boat of a car" like a C5 Z06 (3050 lb) could never compete with a lightweight car like a R32 GTR (3150 lb)
They need a reality check, preferably humiliation by C5 Corvette in a stock for stock race down a reasonably fast touge road
@@callumroper7251 Not like the person I was talking to could ever get their hands on a GTR
@@MilesPrower1992
Too right, they all cost more than cheap R35s now and at that point, you may as well buy a Cayman, A110 or 4C if you want low weight. That's none of my business though, I drive an 86 and it would probably be more effective to put a Sprintex SC and some Goodyears on it and call it a day
R32 (V Spec) could probably give C5 Z06 a good run for it's money a on twisty/technical track, mostly with low speed corners. But yeah, it's definitely not a faster car.
The famously lightweight GT-R. Also might add the C5 was probably the Corvette generation where the car actually started to corner well (and even then, I think even the prior generation Corvettes usually were a cut above their contemporaries, save for maybe the 70s-early 80s C3s, though pretty much every American car in that period sucked ass).
I think the reason why lambo was left because of the wheel base. Short wheelbase can turn/manuver easier. For example a car like honda beat can be parked or can do U turn faster/easier than a gtr same principle can be applied here when doing hairpins in irohazaha. 2nd factor is in low speeds Aero/downforce doesn't really matter and huracan was definitely built to turn using its aero/downforce advantage. So in this case i think you should redo this with a different car. How about a lotus exige vs a gt86. I think the exige is the superior supercar in twisty turns.
0:12 that alto getting murdered cracked me up
I love these story/challenge style videos
It's all about the driver's skill when unlocking a cars true potential.
The concept started when keiichi tsuchiya started gapping r34's on tight mountain roads with an ae86. Obviously there was a massive skill difference so it is doable if you're good enough or your opponent is slow enough
Were you going against AI? The 86 driver was overly cautious and didn't take the corners as aggressively as the car would have allowed.
GT86 : KANATA KATAGIRI
LAMBO HURRACAN : DAIGO OISHI
What happen to you whatsapp number man
MF Ghost Moment
MF Ghost myth confirmed.
Because Kanata used Takumi's driving style
@@SBSL-bf8cqit's awesome but even with his style IRL wouldn't beat the 488,GT3 Porsche,or AMG, let's be honest
@@fqeagles21 ofc
its just the drivers of the hypercars in the anime were bad drivers lol
just did a mf ghost reference
I was thinking you'd make a move around those iroha bridges lol, like sudo. If you really wanted to gt86 to win, you should've picked shomaru pass 💀
i dont think the huracan's massive ass would even fit through there
The fact that he was trying too basically recreate MFGhost before it was a anime is pretty cool.
But, 1 thing about this is that... Kanata would drift and grip constantly. Instead of gripping contantly.
hey bloke, quick question, when u just wanna be comfortable do you race in first person, hood view, roof cam, or third person? great vid btw ur editing is top notch
in VR lmao, and thanks!
@@TSRB I am guessing that's a first person
@@volk2774 yes
on Top View
Hood view is my favorite if you’re just playing on one monitor
I wonder how a 200 horsepower 86 will compete with supercars with 500 and over horsepower in mf ghost
Kanata's 86 was turbocharged
Idk jewish magic or something
as a gt86 owner i can say that this 86 was not using even half of its potential , i have driven my 86 in many twisty roads at 110 kmph and even 132 kmph (if u know how to minimise the acceleration loss in the turns to keep the speed uniform )...
This driver was practically stopping to look both ways at every corner xD Might have been a better race on Irohazaka with the 86 chasing so that it didn't have to worry about blocking the Lambo. Kept hugging the inside going into the corner, cutting its speed dramatically.
~edit~ because I just remembered the PIT maneuver. Even when the dude was chasing he chose the wrong lines. Oh well.
Awesome. Bought mine last Christmas as it was my dream car for ten years. Had to progress into a 6figure income first, which took a decade. The GT86 teaches you so many things, it's crazy. Love every minute driving it. As usual, only practice in safe environments.
This video could have been 10 min longer and I would have watched every second
3:11 Bro think Keisuke Takahashi battling against God Foot ☠
Nice vid personally think its amazing
yo man so as a first personal car does a hyundai veloster 2012 inspire manual sound good?
that pit maneuver was real good
Hello,could you possibly make a video on your Assetto Corsa graphic settings(which PP filter,what mods and settings you have)
that attempt of overtaking in happoghara before he overtaked him gave me disappearing line vibes
[Manifold love intensifies]
Of course, its the successor of the 86
In this video.. British Keisuke will give a react on a MF Ghost tribute race.
This is what makes winding mountain roads great, skill being more important than just power, a mistake can seriously make you lose the race
Plot armor, plot armor everywhere.
The red 86 reminds me of the up coming sequel of initial d thats named “MF Ghost” looking forward to it next year
There is white Lambo too in the Manga
@@yorukitsune6193 yes, in short he based the whole thing from MF Ghost
That 86 forgot to turn on eurobeat music
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Use lemehost. Its free!
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Awesome and realy intresting video
Is there such thing as a GT85?
the mario kart music :D love it
Bros racing Kanata rivington 💀💀
was just thinkin about this after watching the mf ghost trailer, i was mad bewildered at the thought of a supercar like a lambo on the touge.
Bro predicted mf ghost
Great video🙌🙌🙌
how do you make a private multiplayer server with your friend??
Calling it a great equalizer is pretty accurate, it brought the lambo way down, but needed a headscarf, but head to head it was a lot closer than it would be on a track, now just put the 86 up against a car that's got half of what the lambo does and it will be even closer
this straight up giving me MF Ghost vibes with the thumbnail
mf ghost spoiler fr
this feels like a mf ghost battle
i love ur edition
SRB is put simply an Amateur, he really can't get the best of the Lamborghini because... he really needs to understand Midships don't behave like 4WDs with front engines. In the first corner of Akina you entered too narrow, apexed too early and panic braked causing understeer, which only increased the gap for the 86. In the end it was the horsepower that saved the day as soon you got into the longest straight (I'm sure that without any mistakes you would've been able to overtake around the skate park straight) You need some more practice on Akina to be honest... trailing sessions can do wonders to learn tracks and do wonders to improve someone's understanding of the track.
Irohazaka however... I can forgive that one, specially when the Lamborghini's 600hp really aren't useful there, the 86 pretty much was leading all the time and could effectively close the door whenever it wanted. So the most fair race would be cat and mouse style, specially considering the Lamborghini was way too big for the track compared to the 86. If you want a more fair comparison use the Tsukuba fruits line (last initial d stage) it has a good mixture of straights, turns and is balanced for both vehicles.
As a matter of fact... I've been able to ride the ass of a F430 in a 2007 STI, no sweat.
bro predicted mfgost lol
That pit maneuver was dirty, the 86 driver should have seen you go to towards the blind spot and brake. They must be a Shoji fan
someone made MFGHOST 86 Race real
2:51 remind me old initial d arcade stage irohazaka ai move 💀
2:31 come on, take the invisible line!
If an 86 beats you in corners thats just purely skill issue
What if you tried a GR86 vs the Lambo?
Same result. There isn't enough performance difference between GT86 and GR86 to defeat the lamborghini.
3:25 bro tried pulling a third stage
These roads are just proof that top speed means nothing if you can’t get there fast enough to utilise any sort of “top speed”
my brother in christ he closed a 30 second gap in half of a 6 minute course
and this is why mf ghost relies on power to weight being the same
It's actually grip to weight, but yes.
@@Rahhvin my b, thx for the correction
mf ghost be like
the safest driver in the 86
theres a reason why you drive like cat and mouse over 2-3 rounds on touge...no overtaking: objective for leader is to stretch out the lead, objective of follower is simply to stay behind. if first round is close, 2nd round will show if the follower, who was able to stay close, is able to increase the gap from the follower. so as follower: stay close, as leader: drive away
Give the lambo, sv tires, and the gt86 slicks and the gt86 would destroy the lambo. idk
MF Ghost uses grip to weight ratio, whatever that is.
can you do this but with ae86 and r32 or fd
i wish in mf ghost theyd at least do some crazy shit like have him engine swap it and swap out the suspension and wheels to the point where it potentially could be competative with a lambo
Kanata 86GT will get the upgrades, but not as extreme as engine swap. More like Bolt-On Turbo upgrade & of course suspension/brakes as well.
I heard they boost the 86 to like 300hp if that’s good for anything
video idea : same test but every drivetrain against each other
i know there's previous video on this topic but the previous video only compare them by paper not actual battle
The monster isn't under the hood but behind the wheel
I just check it Im wondering how well GT 86 hold up against E30 M3 though
OMG REAL TAKUMI!!!1!11!1!
Pov: the upcoming mf ghost anime
Came here after watched the newest MV Ghost anime PV trailer.
1:11 that gutter run tho 🤤
you kidding right haven't you seen the miata getting into those gutters 💀
Imagine driving a Bugatti Chiron Vision GT and getting beaten by a 1980s Toyota AE86 with just upgraded brakes and rally suspensions.
I know Toyota 86 can't beat Lamborghini but if in MF Ghost then Kanata can beat Lamborghini with his 86
It would have been golden if ya overtook the 86 with a Irohazaka jump
well, it's kinda hard to do the irohazaka jump with that Lambo that big,since the body is huge and AWD,so the lambo can't gain control and crashed.But if you catch up in the end of irohazaka like kyoichi does before the third bridge, it's possible.
The 86 will do it better
1:54 sailed by but hit them o.O
Should have done a Trojan jump to win
the best ad for toyota
if only i had their marketing budget, i could remake this irl
Well in initial d the power gap wasn’t so enormous
tbf it already was in the unlogical side of things, a 150hp AE86 vs a 380HP R32 whose driver can keep up with one of the fastest racers (Ryosuke) and nearly (probally 0.01 time difference) beat the one who would go on to enter Project D and dominate touge areas with them, and then would go on to beat Shingo later on in a S13 while drifting, which he wasnt at all used to do, yet lost for Takumi anyways, who was on his second race and won because apparently tires worn out in the R32, even though he was using grip instead of drift, unlike Takumi
PLEASE, DO THIS AGAIN IN A LONGER FORMAT.
I realized half way through the video that this wasn't real life
In intial d the gap between horsepower wasn't as big as that of a gt86 and a huracan.
No!!! I wanted to see the nanamagari race!
that is still an impressive show for a smol car 1/8 of the price of a lambo
gt86 is a mod?
The cartoon wasnt lying to me?! Its true!??
You forgot the Eurobeat music. GT86 would've get free win easily
Why does this look like some sort of episode that’s going to be in mf ghost
I read the manga, & it will be eventually being animated next year. Can't wait for 2023.
Probably hard to make a conclusion but not sure if this would be a valid real world reference but the civic type r (300hp) destroys some super cars with 500hp or more at the Nur in terms of lap times. So I guess superb handling and a good power to weight ratio can pull it off.
Center of gravity.
A stock rx8 will run the same lap times as an ls swap on a track. Lower center of gravity, less weight, less body movement = consecutive speeds through out
The short answer is: no, the civic doesn't destroy 500hp supercars on the Nurburging.
Long answer: The supercar laps were done with older and slower tyres. There is also a possibility that many of those laps weren't done officially with professional drivers and with intent to push the cars to their full potential. So with these factors considered, it's no wonder the civic (and other modern laps of 300hp cars) can do "faster" times.
@@Aspen-nf3td short reply : could be true but the posts were marketed as versus official lap times.
Long reply : Meaning there is also a high posibility that these 500hp supercars were driven by professional test drivers that to a significant extent capable of pushing these cars to the limit. Plus we are not talking about a faked top speed run thru gps or other means, I am pretty sure there are less facets to fake performance especially when we speak about lap times in the nur. Plus even for someone like me who has never raced in the nur, it is highly plausible for a more better handling 300hp car to outpace a 500hp supercar with less handling conaidering that mathematically speaking, if the type r can be faster by even just .5 seconds in every corner in the nur then by the time you reach the final straight, the time difference could be enough to compensate for top speed. And as commented by light gesture, the science of center of gravity on a track that is predominantly technical does make a difference.
@@jannzerochannel I'm not sure about all the times, but a Gallardo one for example is not official, because it was done by a motorsport magazine. You can check that. In-fact a lot of the lap times you see were done by magazines, not officially by manafacturers. A good example of such lap is the (in)famous R34 GT-R lap that you may be aware of.
It's 100% possible for a 300hp to out-pace a 500hp car on Nurburging, however it's not certain if the Civic has a lower center of gravity than a Gallardo and even if it had, that wouldn't be the only important factor. What we are certain of is that it's not incredibly light, it is FF and it probably doesn't pull off terribly high amouth of downforce.
Even if it was faster through corners than a Gallardo given that both cars would be using same tyres, it still wouldn't be a big enough difference due to not having the meanings to make a big enough difference.
ok slap a 2j on that 86 and rerun
1:33 its almost like were always stuck in 2ng geeeeaaaaar
you guys forgot one crucial plot of the MF Ghost...... Grip to weight ratio is equal .... I really dont know what it means just wanted to point it out hopefully someone will shed some light, or if that even matters.
Grip to weight ratio is in MFG: heavier cars to have wider tires. Lighter cars are required to have thinner tires.
Surely the tyre width is different between GT86 & Huracan since both car has different weights. GT86 about 1,2 ton more less while Huracan about 1,5 ton more less.
@@rady25 will it matter in terms of the circuit races? does it really make them equal in terms of grip vs drift in the corners? inn the anime one of the guys wished he had wider tires i think he was in a lambo.
@@rady25 More less?
i wonder if the 86 would win at maze pass or takigahara
if he starts in front, definitely
It is interesting reading the comments
I myself am an 86 lover at heart but being able to beat a lambo is just impossible for the little GT86
(Shocker, I know)
Even in this video the only reason it won was kind of just because it could block on the narrow road
Not really because it was faster
Don't get me wrong not giving your opponent a chance to overtake also takes skill and is an important part of racing, but that is not the idea here
Takumi also didn't block the road on straights
I would still choose to drive an 86 over a lambo though
1.The lambo is THICC at least compared to the 86 so the road seems thin and just difficult
2.It's power is kind of it's downfall You could never truly open up the throttle on the Touge
Obviously throttle control is also an important skill, but I am talking about pure fun and fooling around
3.While possible it is risky and difficult to drift a lamborghini while an 86 is probably the easiest choice
These do not apply to games but still might as well point them out
4.The Lambo's probably got a V12 (Not a lamborghini expert) while the 86 has a Boxer 4
While Subaru isn't exactly known for fuel economy the 8 more cylinders are gonna be very hungry
Something to consider with today's petrol prices
5.Reliability and cost
Lamorghini: an Italian supercar
Toyota: a Toyota
While Boxer engines add to maintanence costs it's still gonna be less than a lamborghini
And being Japanese after a while of constant use it is still gonna work
Also you won't have to worry about scratching it up as much
Those are the reasons why I like the 86 more
I'm sure the Lamborghini has it's upsides
For example
Girls wil instantly hop into a lamborghini, not the case with a Toyota
Also just pure performance
I just preffer the 86 because in my opinion on the twisty mountain or country roads it can provide just as much fun and excitement
(Please excuse any spelling mistakes made in this comment as English is not my First language)
God I have basiclly written up an essay here
I just love talking about and comparing cars
Anyways nice video
Also thanks for stopping with the weird looking cars movie inspired thumbnails
Maybe someone liked it
I didn't
straight lines are for fast cars corners are for fast drivers