Positive Reinforcement - The Big Bang Theory
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2009
- This is from The Big Bang Theory. This clip was meant to show positive reinforcement. All credit goes to them. If you would like to see the whole episode, it's the third episode of season 3, entitled "The Gothowitz Deviation".
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I feel like every psychology teacher made their student come here lol
trueeeeeeeeeeeeee
University of Sydney checking in
Texas A&M San Antonio, Texas checking also lol
lol exactly and here i am
My teacher just showed me yesterday, lmfao
"Very good.. Chocolate..?"
I died laughing 😂😂😂
Penny is so damn unmeasurably dumb that she couldn't figure out wthell was Sheldon doing!!!
😂😂😂😂
physiologically unlikely
1:22
Well chocolate isn't really positive snack.
Very good chocolate i died laughing
That silent ‘chocolate ‘ omg 😂😂😂
I noticed that.
*Laughing hopeless*
🤣🤣🤣
That silent chocolate omg
Why are you here?
1- College Level Psych (Psych 101?)
2- AP Psychology
3- Other Psychology class/mentoring/tutoring
4- You’re a teacher
5- You didn’t realize everyone used this video to explain positive punishment, and just like the show.
number 5 but it's cool learning all this.
5
IB Psychology
5. But I do have a degree in social sciences.
4!!
My psychology teacher used this as an example when we were learning about operant conditioning xD
same haha
Same here XD
+Molly Levy same here at Indiana University
At my university the professor showed it too! XD
+Molly Levy Mine too...
"Bad Leonard" got me dying on the floor
Leonard's face of deep concern just makes this sequence perfect
I wanted Leonard to tell Penny that Sheldon was trying to train her, and for her to say that she had actually trained Sheldon to give her chocolate.
Consideriding that she became herself again after he stopped giving chocolate, that seems to be the case.
@@MeushellNot really , Sheldon was actually gonna achieve his goal , not the pool and dolphin , but yeah , Leonard would have stopped it sooner
Organizational Behavior brought me here. I just realized my wife has been using these methods on me for years. Well played, spouse, well played.
lol
she bazinga'd you
Let me share in 4 simple examples what my psych tutor has told me.
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+Ve reinforcement: giving something for good behavior (eg. chocolate if homework is done)
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-ve reinforcement: taking something away for absence of good behavior (eg. Take bicycle away if homework not done)
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+Ve punishment: if you do something I don't like, I'll also do something you don't like (eg. mild shock for talking in high pitch)
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-ve punishment: cutting secondary gain that someone takes for granted (eg. If child lies on the floor crying for chocolate, and the parent ignores and walks away, eventually child will stop crying)
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Have a great day everyone!
I like the -ve ones personally.
@Amartya Chaudhuri I've heard an alternative to -ve reinforcement in the form of rewarding good behavior by absolving someone of doing something either boring or demanding (eg. doing homework instead of taking out the trash). Would this be accurate?
Joe Pavlik yes she got the negative reinforcement wrong what she described is actually negative punishment. you got negative reinforcement right (not having to take out the trash if you do your homework)
Amartya Chaudhuri thank you !!
@@ineskhalfi3492 like to prefer any good books for somebody whose not a psychological student and doesn't have to give exams on psychology...
I was reading body keeps the score earlier a little bit
in psychology now, would sheldon spraying lenny count as positive punishment?
+Tamirra Glover yes, it is.
negative reinforcement*
@@JCcrackle It's positive punishment. Negative reinforcement would be taking away something undesired, for example taking out Penny's trash everytime Penny display a good behavior. And yes I am taking a psychology class now and our professor linked us here.
No that would be negative punishment. Positive punishment would be rewarding a negative behavior. Like how Leonard and Penny does what Sheldon wants all the time to avoid him from complaining or resorting to childish tactics to get what he wants.
Illkid1200 doesn’t hurt to google it.
*Bad Leonard* 😂
4:10 that was seriously unbelievable
I just came here to study for my psychology class.
Never thought I'd ever find an appropriate use for UA-cam that didn't entail music videos or spirit science documentaries
wow… this comment aged interestingly
Spirit science… why do I not like the sound of that?
No matter how many times I see this episode and others I still laugh. Love this show
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Anyone else ever noticed that they are watching Bleach? Y can hear Ichigos japanese voice in hollow form in the Backround (arround 0:42 and 1:07-1:10)
I thought it was Lelouch from Code Geass? Oh well, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who noticed something different; I thought I was going crazy!!! xD
***** I can definitely say its not Code Geass, because coincidentally that is and will for ever be my faviorite nr. 1 anime;) i have watched it countless times in Japenese, German and English!
But after comparing it I am not so sure anymore myself if it really is ichigo hollows voice... Well but at least i am certain it is Japanese and probably an anime:P
I thought the same thing. Sounds like Ichigo with his hallow mask on
Hollow Ichigo sounds slightly different. Ain't him. Really seems to be Lelouch then according to other comments
It was the fight between Ichigo and his zanpakto (inner hallow)
I like when Sheldon is overpowering them all and the last chocolate throw was hilarious 😂
Isn't this how we train.... I mean "teach" 😏 our kids to be functional humans
Kala Bell yeah and they will follow in your footsteps and to become functional sociopaths/ narcissists 😉
@@saifulismail641 So giving my toddler stickers for going on the potty or using gummy bears to learn math with my 1st grader or sharing a chocolate with my teenager when we have girl talk is sociopathic/narcissistic behavior? I hope they follow in my footsteps
Kala Bell 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My college psych professor showed us this clip about 6 years ago. I always remembered it and meant to watch the show but just recently got into it (I know, I'm SO late) and came across this scene..brought back memories 😂
Bad Leonard 😂😂
It’s even more funny when you actually know psychology
By the way not lab rat, it was usually dogs and pigeons
The ideas of positive and negative punishment/reinforcement are sometimes confused.
Negative reinforcement means taking away a negative stimulus. An example would be a chore.
Positive Reinforcement means you’re giving the person a positive stimulus. In this example it was a chocolate.
Positive punishment is when you add a negative stimulus. So giving someone an extra chore is a form of positive punishment.
Negative punishment is taking away a positive stimulus. An example would be taking away video games from a child.
When they say positive they don’t mean it as something that’s good, they mean it adds something. When they say negative that doesn’t mean it’s bad it means they are taking away something.
Sheldon in this case used positive reinforcement to reinforce certain behaviors in Penny. Sheldons saying that mild electric shocks which btw is unethical is not negative reinforcement. That would be positive punishment because he is adding a negative stimulus not taking away a positive stimulus.
The writers of the show should not be using punishment and reinforcement interchangeably. They are both distinct in method but strive for the same result.
Thanks a lot. Have exams tomorrow. Never really understood the framework before this.
you seem to be confused yourself? you've just mentioned chore for both negative reinforcement and positive punishment.
@@alireza5218 You seem confused. The Negative Reinforcement is taking away a chore. The Positive Punishment is adding a chore. It's not that complicated.
Leonard's face figuring this out was so funny
I swear to God I hear the scrambled voice of Jun Fukuyama as Lelouch from Code Geass as Penny takes her phone call outside. o.o It's not English, at the very least. xD
+Anna Mae F (ShadowJackal35) It might be watch they are watching because I agree with that statement.
Nope it's bleach
I like how you can see how penny is trying not to laugh as she repeats the word freaky
1:25 I was waiting for that 😂
2:32 But wasn’t expecting that 😂
Positive reinforcement sheldon cooper edition anyone?
When you start wondering who this would work on...
Great clip. Love the enthusiastic discussion on reinforcers and punishers. It’s not inherent to the stimulus whether it works as a punisher or a reinforcer. The only thing that determines the function of a stimulus is its effect on the studied behaviour in the context in which the behaviour occurs. I.e. chocolate can serve as both reinforcer and punisher for the same person, in different contexts.
Though it was used incorrectly in this case, negative reinforcement is an actual behavioral modification technique: "The removal of an unpleasant reinforcer can also strengthen behavior. This is known as Negative Reinforcement because it is the removal of an adverse stimulus which is ‘rewarding’ to the animal. Negative reinforcement strengthens behavior because it stops or removes an unpleasant experience."
Straight from Skinner himself.
And that's the basics of how torture works
In a later episode, they explained that it's positive punishment which is often confused with negative reinforcement.
Error, Big Bang! The getting squirted in the face with a water bottle or receiving electric shocks for "bad" behavior is actually positive punishment, not negative reinforcement. Positive punishment is when you recieve something unpleasant for a behavior, e.g., the water bottle/shock examples. Negative reinforcement is when you lose something pleasant for a behavior, e.g., a child lies and therefore is grounded from playing with friends for the week.
Sorry....nerding out here, as I'm a MSW student ;)
Isn't your last example actually negative punishment?
No, because punishment would be receiving something. So, a child likes and they receive a spanking. Grounding is taking something away...in this case, friend time.
Kristina French
Pretty sure "positive" is used for receiving something and "negative" means taking something away. When you're using punishment, be it negative or positive, you try to decrease the behaviour; with reinforcement you're trying to reinforce the behaviour.
Ah yes, Master :) You are RIGHT!
- negative = something taken away (in this case, the opportunity to play with friends)
- punishment = decreases behavior (in this case, lying)
I got all discombobulated.
Wrong! Negative reinforcement is when the occurrence of a behaviour is followed by the removal of an aversive stimulus which increases the likelihood of the behaviour reoccurring in the future.
I wish my family use positive reinforcement to me. I work hard to them but my family scold me and embarassing me in front of everyone everytime i made mistake and they make things worse
I have tried positive reinforcement with one of my kids and it only works to a certain degree. What psychologists fail to tell you is that the child will begin to ask for a reward for every single thing they do. " mom, look i tied my shoes. Where is my star?" "mom, look i flushed the toilet. Where is my star?" etc. Etc. Then you need to buy more star packs, more prizes, and the child learns to manipulate. Smh some kids are too darn smart. Lol
I cam here for my psychology class xD Yassss
saaaaaameeee
Sameeeeeee only its physiological perspectives on children's behaviour
yeah on how to become a full time sociopath/ npd XD
very mild electric shocks
That's why I love big bang theory
No tissue damage... lol
@Amira Djiar Do you know how weird it is to get 2 responses in less than a week on a 3 year old comment? It's really interesting. This video been making its rounds again?
why my teacher did not use this example this would be so easy to understand omg this was funnyXD
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UA-cam 2019: LET'S PUT THIS IN EVERYONE'S RECOMMENDATIONS
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lukySalt9000 Lok want a chocolate?
Unoriginal
Negative reinforcement only creates resentment and apprehension of trust
No if it's follower by a much higher value positive reinforcer
After the second time I was like , oh my gosh hes going pavlov
Sheldon used unoptimal variation of this technique.
The problem with giving rewards like that is that the learniing person will almost immidietly abandon new behaviours the moment rewards stop coming.
The trick to making it stay, even after rewards are gone at least for a while, is to reward a fracion of positive behaviours, not all of them. It takes longer for a permament change of bahaviour to occur, but it also becomes somewhat resistent to lack of rewards coming after it does.
Do what you want with that knowledge.
Silent evidence - for all you know Gasai Sheldon is doing that just off screen?
As usual, sheldon doesn't have a clue.
66 days for a new behaviour to become a habit.
That's a butt load of chocolates.😊
So we all came here from psychology?
Yes
Nope
In a later episode involving procrastination, Sheldon points out to the group the incorrect use of "negative reinforcement" that he himself uses incorrectly in this episode.
Sheldon would be getting a punch in the face if he sprayed me with water lmao.
the ending scene with Sheldon is so funny lol
"Bad Leanord" LOL
Leonard*
Bad Jamie
I used to do this with one of my bosses. She was perfectly aware of what I was doing, but it made the office day a little more fun.
Here because my psych professor told us to watch this for operant conditioning
Victoria uni of wellington lolol
This was an example of POSITIVE PUNISHMENT. The target behavior was that the girl speaking in a high annoying voice reg. Sheldon wanted to "lower the voice to a more pleasing register." They DECREASED the high register behavior when they added the stimuli of chocolate.
You're on the right track but process-wise, this was most likely a case of positive reinforcement (with prompting). Because the chocolate followed the low-pitched talking, it is likely that this will increase in the future and because low-pitched talking is incompatible with high-pitched talking, if low-pitched talking increases high-pitched talking must decrease.
joeclemm15 it would be a positive consequence, not a positive punishment. That's an oxymoron.
@@beckysmisery.9769 It's not an oxymoron lol. It may sound like one, but it's actually what it's called.
we watched this in our psych class today while we were talking about operate conditioning : )
This Foreshadowed the pigeon ping pong with the mention of BF skinner.
If I ever found out someone was trying to do that to me, I’d tear them a new one. NO EXCEPTIONS. 👿
Yeah, it should be called, MANIPULATION, not positive anything, lol
Watching this in 2020!!! Happy new year everyone from a malaysian.
My Health & Social Care teacher showed us this earlier on for the psychology unit we're doing and I was laughing so much! This is brilliant :D
yeh they corrected this in season 8 where Sheldon confirms the incorrect use of Negative Reinforcement. let it go already
Just having a good discussion of the subtleties of behaviorism. I appreciate the input... as others obviously do as well.
4:41 In my opinion... Well, I don't know if that help with the behaving. I only know that people do that just for have fun.
OMG I REMEMBER THIS EPISODE probs cause I watched it last week pahaha but so weird to be learning it for psycho this week 😂😂😂
HE'S PAVLOVING PENNY!!!
2:31 lol 😂
3:12 Penny's laugh!😆
Good series I Loved It!!!!
One of the best, love it.
Without reading anymore of the comments, I’m just going to say it.
There’s not a thing about Penny that isn’t pleasing.
My psychology prof sent me here. Anyone else?
I'm an ABA tech and I can't stop laughing
This is a clear example of Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA), formerly known as Behavior Modification which was developed by B.F. Skinner.
Lol this was so hilarious and awesome
Spraying on the face and giving electric shock are not negative reinforcement. Those are positive punishment.
Based on what i've learned:
1. Positive reinforcement - yes, giving rewards to encourage good behaviour eg giving chocolate for doing homework
2. Negative reinforcement - removing sth unpleasant to encourage the good behaviour eg if you do your homework, you won't have to clean the house
3. Positive punishment - giving sth unpleasant for bad behaviour eg you don't do your homework, you will have to stand on the chair
4. Negative punishment - removing sth pleasant for bad behaviour eg you don't do your homework, you cannot watch the tv
Reinforcement is used to encourage good behaviour while punishment is to reduce bad behaviour.
Correct me if im wrong cause i learned this like 4 years ago
@92jcgb You're right in that, but I was referring to when Sheldon sprayed water at Penny and referred to it as negative reinforcement, when it's actually positive punishment.
I am with Sheldon on this one, It sounds like a brilliant idea and I am going to try it.
Was that Bleach I was hearing in the background? 😂
I'm a GCSE psychology student and I am using TBBT examples to reinforce my understanding of keywords and retain the information better. This is so great though! 😂
*bad Leaonard*
It’s gets me everytime! 🤣
My early childhood education teacher made us watch this haha
0:42 that is sooooo Sheldon 😅🤣🥰
“very good!”😂
i can't believe my principles of management class TEXTBOOK linked this dawg
01:07 Is that hollowfied ichigo in the background? Are they watching bleach?
The show uses the term 'negative reinforcement' wrong. Negative reinforcement is still REINFORCING a behavior (making it more common), but it's doing it through removal of an unwanted stimulus. So if Sheldon decided whenever Penny did something he liked, he decided to leave the room for 10 minutes and give her and Leonard some time alone, then that would be negative reinforcement.
Making an action occur less is called punishment, not reinforcement.
For everyone in my class, the term he uses incorrectly is "negative reinforcement". The proper term for using the spray bottle or electric shocks would be "positive punishment". Negative reinforcement is when you remove something unpleasant.
Actually, he mentioned the electric shocks, so what he could do is say, "I will remove these shocks if you do this..." That is negative reinforcement. However Leonard says, "you're not squirting her in the face with water" after Leonard says, "if you let me use negative reinforcement I can get it done before bed." That is the fail. Unless Leonard just sprays her until she does what he wants her to do. There is a very fine line in conditioning.
1:23: SHELDON ALWAYS CRACKS ME UP!!!
Lab rat? Actually I was thinking of a golden retriever.
I wish they did this more on the show, using science on unsuspecting friends.
2019 here for my psychology class lol
AP Psychology brought me here
I saw this at class, but my teacher didn't play the last part
That is a Godiva Box. Nice chocolates to be using to get Penny trained.
Interesting how Penny unknowingly used positive reinforcement on Leonard at the end to get him to build her bed for her.
@ps3gamerful Reinforcement is something “occurring in conjunction
with an act, tends to increase the probability that the act will occur again.” Positive means that "something the subject wants" is added (quotes from page 1 of Karen Pryor's book "Don't Shoot The Dog").
my psych prof asked the whole class to watch this haha.
"Peter Frampton" ring tone . pin ball wizard
@MrMasterful13
Although the evidence suggests that negative reinforcement is highly effective (markedly more so than negative or positive punishments), the ethical implications of any or all of these (along with what is known about the emotional effects of these techniques) are pretty clear: any punishment is a poor educational tool, and negative reinforcement is likely to be problematic (depending on the form of the noxious stimulus to be used as the reinforcer). They're not all that good.
I can imagine those chocolates are minstrels
Omg my entire childhood
Here for my Applied Behavior Analysis class!
In the dubbed version I watched they made her voice really low pitched and it was amazing.
“bad lenard” LMAOOO
Same thing happened..and it's awesome xD
Negative reinforcement occurs when an UNWANTED outcome is removed following a behaviour.. So wouldn't applying mild electric shocks be punishment?
+YonathanFit No because if she did the wanted behavior she would not receive the shock, in term removing the possibility of the negative consequent. Also, punishment is used to get rid of an undesired behavior. It is not a viable method for establishing a desired behavior but only to stop one that is undesirable
+Ryan Lonnie The show made a parallel between previously squirting Leonard and possibly shocking Penny. Leonard was only squirted when he did something that Sheldon disapproved of which makes it a positive punishment. Negative reinforcement is when something is already there and being taken away. Penny is not being shocked so to do so would be a positive punishment as opposed to the positive reinforcement she's getting for good behavior. Getting rid of an undesired behavior IS establishing a desired behavior and vice versa; that is the point.
You are actually correct. Electric shock would be considered a positive punishment because he is speaking of decreasing a behavior (which is always referred to in behavioral terms as punishment) and adding a stimulus (in behavioral terms it is referred to as positive).
Negative reinforcement is like applying ointment to remove itchiness (removing unpleasant stimulus the itch, increases the behavior, applying ointment)