RTX 3080 FE vs. ITX Cases - Fight!
Вставка
- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Check prices on Amazon below
Noctua High Performance 120mm: geni.us/Lsbbncb
Noctua High Performance Slim 120mm: geni.us/yBIfwu
Nvidia RTX 3080: geni.us/Dk9g3
Nvidia RTX 3090: geni.us/FUOFV
Corsair SF750: geni.us/YKskC8
Video gear
Camera: geni.us/cN16f
Primary Lens: geni.us/Mfv0kQO
/ optimumtechyt
/ alisayed3
/ optimum_tech
As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.
Video gear
Camera: geni.us/cN16f
Primary Lens: geni.us/Mfv0kQO
/ optimumtechyt
/ alisayed3
/ optimum_tech
As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.
Removing the side panel at the beginning sounded like a sword being unsheathed and showing its greatness... and I like it
"The Lannister send their regards"
(Stab and Slash)
@@abdulmuhaimin5274 I was gonna say gilateen!!
@@jonathanellis6097 you mean "guillotine"
CNCed Al😍
same
That metal sound at the beginning is incredibly satisfying.
*_(Insert ASMR open side panel effect)_*
Shiiiiiinnnnng🔥😂😂
Felt like fingers on a chalkboard for me...
taking out a sword.
It's the sound of a guillotine, cutting off our 3080 FE ITX sandwich dreams.
keep in mind that the ambient temp on his room is 20 degrees celcius. People who live in a tropical climate beware.
Yeah, that is a cold room. I know my house is 5-6c warmer on average.
Lol, well people living in tropical areas usually have really decent air conditioning systems in their homes already. (I live overseas. Its hot out but I live in a freezer)
42c ambient here I come!
Hell even subtropical
We have AC's don't worry
I'm not gonna lie, the sound of that case side panel lifting off at the start of the video gets my pants REAL tight. ☺️
Yes...the sound of you not being able to put a 3080 in there.
This is a PERFECT sound effect of the sword pulling out by GHOST OF TSUSHIMA
yeah, i have something against metal clanking.
Creepy.
ultimate soy face
confirmation that the FE card works well in the NCase is all I've been hoping for! Thanks so much, Ali. Your videos are so great for the SFFPC community. Now to see if I can ever manage to purchase a 3080 FE....
You can also see another person using the 3080 in the NCase M1 on pcpartpicker here.
pcpartpicker.com/b/Nxx6Mp
Why wouldnt it? I dont understand why people think a card directly exhausting hot air would be worse than a card that leaves all of its heat in the case.
@@jepulis6674 because the second fan exhausts hot air INTO the case....
@@3xplosiv0 So a less is more approach to thermodynamics? :)
@@chasboyo pcpartpicker says the 3080 FE is too long for the Ncase M1, does the case need to be modified or are they just wrong?
I would really like to see a video with the NR200P chassi and 3080, with all possible mountings and thermals for those.
CAGS same for me
Same here
he has done a lot of ncase videos which is a smaller nr200 so maybe?
Interesting results. This changes a lot of things. Can't wait for the T1 video. Hope to see some A4 testing as well. Dan said the EVGA XC3 fits in the A4, hope you can get arund to testing that configuration as well as with other sandwich cases.
Someone on reddit posted their evga 3080 + dan a4 build and it does kinda fit. However, they had to stick little pads, like felt bumper pads, on the front of the gpu, because the fans would just barely hit the side panel. Easy fix though, if you're alright with the side panel slightly buldging.
@@Witch1412 Yeah I saw that, on SFF network. I hope the thermals and acoustics of that config are better than the FE.
@@Witch1412 Didn't he end up taking off the backplate too?
I was really interested in the Dan Case A4 with the flipped PSU and removed plastic separator as recommended by Dan himself.
Wanted to see results in a Dan a4 with a flipped psu to the gpu can exhaust into the psu. Also the lowest end evga 3080 can fit in the Dan a4
Are you sure? It looks to me like the 2.2 slot cards wouldn't fit.
I was also hoping the rear fan on the FE card would be reversible.
@@MXF5700 I thought you could, think I saw a post about 2.2 slot cards just barely fiting
@@MXF5700 Dan himself said the evga XC3 would fit
@@ItsVincentVu No, has already been done, search forums. The only way XC3 fits if you use pads as spacers or else the fans rub against the side panel.
I was also hoping to see this. I'm planning an A4 build and for now it's going to get my old Strix 970, but once I get my hands on a 3080 I'll likely demote my 3070 to the A4 PC. Since it too has a flow through cooler, I was considering flipping the PSU, since it's 80+ gold and won't generate too much of it's own heat, and using it to help exhaust the hot air from the 3070.
Ncase m1 That thing needs to get an itx of the decade award .. :)
I have one, and love it. When I got it and did my first build inside, it kinda blew me away as to how flexible it is.
“Can you realistically fit the 3080 in an SFF” ... spoiler, no, cause no one can get one XD
Facts :(
The sound of removing the side panel is still satisfyting 0:00
Is like a sword lol
*Shiiingg*
Great testing. Would love to see how it fares with a flipped PSU and exhaust flowing into the PSU fan.
Not an option in the ghost s1 there is a plate separating the two sections.
Wirbelfeld Might be possible in some other sandwich cases
@@wirbelfeld4033 Sounds like a job for a dremel :D
Wirbelfeld it’s possible in the Velka 7 as well
I'd love to see how the Sliger SM560 performs with ist 3 Slot design. If it is possible to use the outer two PCI slots there, then Performance might be a little bit better due to the clearance behind the card added.
Also my Sliger has an open space between the two sides of the 'sandwhich' not solid like in the Ghost. If you put the power supply air intake inwards facing I wonder how well the 3080 exhaust could escape through the PSU and perhaps under/over it as it's not quite as tight as the ghost but still has room for fans above/below.
Linus Tech Tips just uploaded a video, but with the SM580: ua-cam.com/video/Z2s-q34FX7c/v-deo.html
This is close to perfection imho
Sliger did some in-house testing - they posted it to r/sliger on reddit: www.reddit.com/r/sliger/comments/iyklqm/sliger_thermal_testing_results_pt_1_rtx_3080_fe/
great video, what about NR200 and non founder edition cards , do you plan to test them?
I'm really excited for your second FormD T1 to arrive and see your verdict on the results. When are you expecting the case to arrive? Thank you for the 11/10 content, as always! :)
I am really excited for the second T1 too ! 3080 FE, TUF 3080 or even 3090 in T1 would be a dream come true !
@@chnienhuis8984 a 3090 Founders in the T1 would be so beautiful with it's dimensions being almost perfect to completely fill up the T1, unfortunately it doesn't allow room for the PSU offset, which could pose a problem for thermals... The larger heatsink could make up for this though, so who knows!
@@JustLorenzo custom loop time!
@@lincolnm267 You could go that route, but I love the look of the 30xx Founders cards, and to deshroud them would be painful to see IMO.
@@JustLorenzo just make the PSU pull air from the GPU and use a SF750 with preferable a Noctua fan swap. T1 + 3090 might still be very viable.
Would love to see EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 with the Ghost S1, it´s supposed to be doable.
only deshrouded
That would also be my go to solution
Images of XC3 deshrouded and fitting photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPVeN5KdV4hFSocdvOYyfzha5ogqO-tnoth51MVnad7dd9OST1e6oa9jyKUIq5oUg?key=MENRc3BjTjNvWXZBaXladkZIOV9LWVZZMVZfQmp3
@@jonathans6557 www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/ixt4sb/completed_evga_rtx_3080_xc3_ultra_in_dan_case_a4/
or remove the backplate, which the 3080 XC3 Black seems to already come without.
Jeff Taylor I came here to make sure the community saw the link! Seems to be hope for those of us willing to wait for a specific card. Would love to hear how their temps are.
Here’s another example:
www.reddit.com/r/Louqe/comments/j23vho/evga_3080_xc3_ghost_s1_fits_very_tight/?
"Consider subscribing?" People are potatoes if they aren't subbed to this channel. Quality EVERY single time!
great video!
Suggestion: I would love to see a simple 'nr200+aio' build focused on low noise.
Thank you! Honestly looking forward to seeing performance with the 3080 ASUS TUFF and the 3080 FE in the FormD T1 Case XD Thanks again as usual optimumtech.
I think the asus Tuf doesn't fit, at least with the measurements that wahaha gives. The biggest card that i found to fit is the Pny Xlr8.
@@Matpermad thanks for that XD
@@Cascadence87 also wahaha says that the nvidia founders cooler on the 3080 should work perfectly with the psu standoffs, but i would hold myself that option until optimum tests it
That first sound from pulling the side panel off was so nice.
I have been waiting for this exact video since the day the 3080 was announced!
I’m loving the bit of blue and purple light bouncing off the edges, but also well lit, fantastic.
Can you test the FE vs the evga xc3? That one should fit many of the cases if not all of them
@Optimum Tech loved the metal sound at the begining. Sliger SM580 Plan a 3080 build good enough water cooled with AIO and AIR COOLING options too.
The Sliger Console cases should be perfect for the 3080/90 FE
Sadly the Sentry 1.0 and 2.0 are completely out without modding because they aren't pass-through for the GPU compartment. I'm still holding out hope on finding a 3080 that will fit. Maybe the EVGA model
Very excited to put a 3080 in my sliger sm580. I have both vented panels and look forward to seeing it’s potential as an airflow case.
The Salvo s402 would be a good option here too. 3 slot support, so more fans available, bigger CPU cooler, and a lot less chunky than conswole.
Drilling that plate in the middle of the case with a 100mm hole saw could help it exhaust that hot air into the PSU compartment
Putting the heat into the PSU might make that run hotter and get noisier too.
I was thinking along the same lines but leaving the PSU orientation as is, cutting two vertical lines down the wall in the PSU area and then bending the plate in might create a scoop of sorts to help the air be directed up towards the two fans he puts on the top to go straight out of the case.
Have either of you tried cutting the center plate to try this?
The sound of removing the side panels of the ghost tho...
The EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 (with backplate) does fit in the Dan A4 sfx. But you have to stick little pads, like bumper felt pads, on the front of the gpu because the fans just barely hit the side panel.
Someone on reddit posted this solution.
i was hoping for a DAN A4 test with removed plastic and flipped power supply :(
That way you just cook the psu, not good.
@@riba2233 Apparently it's what Dan has recommended for this card/case combo tho.
@@davidcane7211 yeah, before someone axtually tested that. He also said that xc3 will fit but it kind of doesn't.
@@riba2233 You are not going to Cook the PSU. PSUs are designed to run hot. Think about it in a conventional case usually PSU intake is all the warm air circulated by both GPU and CPU at the same time.
I was hoping this would be tested too.
What are your thoughts on whether the 3070 FE works well? The fan layout is different compared to 3080 FE.
I'd be super curious to get some numbers on the NR200, especially with a vertical GPU layout considering how popular that case is these days
Damn this card is looks like design for Ncase M1 😄
nice video as usual :-) Any plan to make the NR200/NR200p join the battle?
Looking forward to the Formd T1 review! Seems like the smaller Ghost s1 and Dan case have questionable compatibility with the FE at best - hoping the T1 is better with those standoffs as you mentioned.
Hi, could you please let us know if the 3090FE fits in the FormD T1? If it fits I hope the lower temps of the 3090 and bigger fans could work with the sandwich layout compared to the 3080. Thanks
he already stated he thinks it will fit, but he can't test it until he gets his second T1 case, because his current personal PC is built in his T1 case :(
Maybe they can build an /a pair of external power supplies like that on Area 51m or Clevo x170 for ITX (Eurocom actually provides 780W laptop power supply): 30% of space saved in the chassis.
"RTX 3080 FE vs. ITX Cases - Fight!"
*Ding ding ding!!!* 🤜🤛
I hope the lads at Louqe consider a refresh of the case to accomodate for this kind of design considering how effective it cools the card.
Pushing the card up and the PSU down a bit via modular screw holes and mounting mechanisms while removing part of the middle wall should do the trick.
The sound at the beginning brought a tear to my eye
I have a thorzone mjolnir coming and I bought an evga rtx 3080 xc3 ultra specifically because of this! Currently my 3080 is in my inwin a1 and thermals under full load are: 65c gpu and 40c cpu!
Would be interesting to know the output on the NZXT h210i case, given how close the card is to bottom of the case
On top of the T1 how about the Sligers? They have an open spine and while you can't move the PSU you can also install the PSU backwards and have the air come from the flow-through section of the FE card and into the the PSU's intake. It will get warmer air but likely not all that warm, and help exhaust that air, on top of a radiator on the top of the 570 and 580.
Also it's not just the flow-through design that might be a problem but the sealed sides. The 3070 FE seems to have the same sealed sides, so even with the fan on the normal side, one only has the reverse side for the air to go to.
2:22 I wonder if cutting the PCI slot divider off the case would help in any meaningful way.
I've been torn on getting a super compact sandwich case, or an SFF case with a more conventional layout like the NCase M1 or the NR200, but with the founders edition design for the 3080, I am pretty convinced I'll be very pleased with an NR200 with some top exhaust fans. It is definitely on the bigger side of SFF, but I think having the GPU design fit so perfectly with how I want the airflow to work within the case is worth the extra space.
Climbing into bed to find a new Optimum Tech video before I fall asleep. Win.
You can't compare the A4-SFX with the Ghost. The Ghost has a solid plate between GPU and PSU, the A4 not. Just flip the PSU and use it as exhaust tunnel. If you have a SFX-L the temps will be even better. With this trick the RTX 3080 FE temps will be very good.
Does this also happen with a 3070? Was planning a build with the 3070 and the nzxt h1
This is what I'm waiting for.
yes, we are fucked
3070 runs fine
Would love to see you do some different 3090 and fan configuration air cooled builds in the NR200 and test what is the best and most efficient thermal and noise performance 🙏🏻.
Why are you using bottom fan as intake? I thought you established that exhaust orientation was best previously.
Curious what the fan setup was as well for the NCASE
the "Noctua High Performance" link in your description directs to Amazon listings for the RTX 3090
true :D
Thoughts on the PSU getting in the way of airflow in the NR200? Seems to be right above the end fan?
There is a good chunk of space not blocked off by the PSU (based experiance on the similarly laidout QBX case).
The latest LTT video has the sliger 580 with the 3080FE installed and it seems to handle the card really well as it has 3 slots for the GPU compared to the T1 and Ghost S1.
Great video though, had been patiently waiting to see how the temps would go in your inventory, I bet its going to take a bit to get through most of your cases :)
Would love to see a test with flipped PSU (GPU blowing into PSU intake) in Dan A4. It doesn't have that metal separator as Ghost
Exactly my thoughts, except I suggested cutting a hole in the S1. This would definetly work, as it is exactly what Raijintek does with all of their cases besides the Ophion.
RIP PSU!
@@dakalla why? Do you know exact PSU thermal limits?
@@promaty seasonic for example says for its sgx psus: Operating Temperature 0 - 50 °C (derating from 100 % to 80 % from 40 °C to 50 °C)
Means you should only put 80% load on it in 50° ambient temperature (520w instead of 650w). No matter what other manufacturers say, its definately not smart to put hot air through a psu. Theres a reason why its cooled activly ;)
@@dakalla raijintek: Styx, metis, cyberus all do this with the CPU
My 3080 FE for my Ncase M1 is arriving today, so this pretty much came just in time. I'm glad to know my theory that the "chimney" airflow pattern behaves like I expect it to, and I'll definitely be messing with an undervolt here.
Great video man!
Thanks for this video. Disappointed, but not surprised to see the performance. The only thing I felt was missing, was showing how the Ghost S1 performed undervolted & custom fan curve - but without the tophats. Adding the custom curve and undervolt gave you -6 C when using tophat, so would that have given you 79 C without it? And potentially more quiet? Since adding the tophat itself was only -4C.but also added more noise.
I have a Phanteks Shift Air, and it seems to me the flow-through cooler might be ideal for this case, as long as the card is long enough that the second fan sits below the motherboard. Do you have any thoughts on this?
I was thinkin the same, i've got an evolv shift where the bottom fan is set as exhaust and it could exit all the hot air from the FE better than other custom gpus...
The main guess is if it fits...
I'm in the exact same situation! I think it would fit great haha.
@@Seraph984 I've got a 2.3 slot card in mine.. had to unscrew the PCIe PCB from the mounting bracket and attach the card only to the top of the mounting bracket, but it worked out fine. So in principle it's probably possible.
Thank you for this vid, amazing and helpful information for my Ncase M1! Can't wait for it to arrive!
Waiting for the dual 240 rad ncase m1 with 3090 :D
According to Dan, the EVGA 3080 XC3 fits in the A4-SFX. It's 2.2 slot, which barely fits in the A4-SFX and would also fit in the Ghost S1. If it doesn't fit somehow, you can remove the shroud (but not the fans) and it should definitely fit then.
Imagine a 3090 FE in a Coolermaster NR200. :O
The NZXT H1 case can be modified by adding 2 external 140mm fans on the backside. Use M2.5 30mm bolts and you will see the ventilation holes exactly line up to accomodate 2 fans. This drops the temps so much that even at stock without undervolting, the GPU temps are around 75c at stock settings.
That intro was boss lol
Don’t forget the Sliger CL520. That over-under layout with nothing behind the card except vents would be perfect! Now I only need a card...
Me: “Oh sh*t babe! Ali is sticking the 3080 in the Ghost S1!”
GF: “No fuc*ing way lol”
made my day hahahahaha ^^'
Nice video. I have a Nouvolo Steck and it is possible to install also the "EVGA RTX 3080 XC3" (the version without backplate). It's the same with the Ghost?
Finally! Was so looking forward to this.
My new Dan A4 started sweating visibly when it saw I was looking at RTX 3080 FE on the Nvidia site. Luckily aluminium won't rust.
As a ghost s1 owner, looks like I’ll be going AMD this round.
The 3070 FE doesn't have this same style of cooling if you look at pics, not to assume you'd take the sacrifice in power but just a suggestion. pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/6429/6429442_sd.jpg;maxHeight=640;maxWidth=550.
@@NN-sp9tu it's still a push trough style of cooling. The fan is just blowing instead of sucking air trough the back fins.
@@gismo3564 I thought the 3080 was blowing hot air pulled in from its front fan onto the divider of the case. Are you saying the 3070 would still have that problem?
Just ordered the NCase M1 thanks to your excellent coverage of it. Thanks for your amazing content! Love the videography, scripting, and general straightforwardness. You have become, by far, my favorite PC content creator and single hand-idly converted me to small minimal PC's.
I would like to pair the case with a FE 3080 and Ryzen 7 5800X (Whenever I can get hold of those parts). Can I get by on the Corsair SF600? Or do you think the SF750 is needed? The 750 is double the price and NewEgg's power supply calculator is claiming I need only ~500 watts.
Thanks
Disappointed but not surprised.
Well, guess it a 3070 for me. Thank you
Wait to see what amd brings
@@Matpermad unless AMD compete heavily with NVENC, DLSS, Broadcast etc it doesn't matter what they have imo
@@runadumb they have a pretty good h265 encoder. too bad no one supports h265 :(
they made the wrong investment choice and it cost them a lot.
Great video! Could you tell me if the dual rad setup in the ncase m1 is still possible with the 3080 FE? Maybe you didnt get a waterblock yet but my only concern is with the vertical 12 pin power connector interfering with the fans.
what happens if you remove that metal shroud on the side of the fe gpu. (I don't know if that's even possible)
Probably not for the FE but board partners maybe 😂
@@vincent7603 Gamers Nexus did a teardown on the FE! You can remove the shroud, but they never did any testing without it.
Well the only way I see this working on the Ghost S1 (theoretically) is if:
- First, the case spine were the PSU mounts have some cuts made (being holes or lines or even a pattern as on the bottom of the case) and;
- Second, turning the PSU fan to face the spine, creating a path for the air to go through the rear FE card fan to the PSU fan and out in the top.
Of course that would increase temperatures inside the PSU by some degrees but it would create an almost unrestricted path for the air to flow.
Last time I was this early, Nvidia had cards in stock.
Never
Hi, do you expect the same problem for the 3070 FE? I'm hoping that since the fan is further away from the spine, the spine will effectively function as a backplate for the GPU. What are your thoughts? Thank you!
Was looking forward to your channel reviewing 3080s in ITX builds. However I think it might be more practical to use Asus, Gigabyte AIB's as virtually no one watching will ever have a chance to get a FE card.
Still I appreciate your channel and your work look forward to seeing an aftermarket board tested in the NR200 wink wink nudge nudge.
Great video. I’d love to see a breakdown of how the FE cooler affects N1 temperatures when using an air cooler vs an AIO water cooler for the CPU too.
"I do have a second T1 on the way, and I do plan to test this when that arrives" 7:00
Ali bro I'm still out here trying to get a pre-order in every Friday, you're already on your second one 😂
You srs ? They are still taking preorder and deliver in December
Yeah you can literally pre-order one right now lol
Hi, just a note that according to Dan (from dancase) there are other 3080s that fit in the Dan a4, such as the EVGA XC3 3080 cards.
The Raijintek Ophion might work well with its sandwich layout because it’s mid plane is perforated, it has a bunch of honeycomb cut outs in the mid plane and if you use an sfx power supply, it can be offset from the mid plane leaving room for airflow.
Great content as usual. Can you test on the SM550 ? I think it could do better since it has some space in between the card and the PSU
I've seen a Reddit post about the Formd T1 and the FE 3080, apparently if you use the PSU offset and two exhaust fans on top the temps stabilize at 75C. Not bad, and much better than the Ghost while being a smaller package overall.
I would be interested in the RTX 3090FE in a Sliger SM580.
I saw on some forum that Dan (from Dancases) said that the EVGA XC3 3080 should also fit the A4 case, so presumably the Ghost as well, and those cards have a more conventional cooler layout than the FE.
According to the Dan case forum, the fe 3080 works only if you flip the power supply, essentially using the power supply fan to exhaust the flow-through airflow. Dan also says evga xc3 3080 should fit it too. Might be nice of you to test these claims.
I'm surprised so little people know and review the Jonsbo A4. It's even smaller than the Ghost yet supports 4 fans natively and even a 240 mm aio. What's even more interesting is that the 3080 pass through fan would blow right into the PSU intake fan helping to move the airflow along. Will do a review when I manage to get a GPU for my case one day.
And yes the Jonsbo A4 is a sandwich layout with tempered glass on both sides (there are after market options to change them to mesh).
The Streacom DA2 V2 (yes, there is a V2 version now) specifically advertises good airflow for the 3000 series FE cards. However, it still only supports dual-slot cards so if you cannot get your hands on a FE 3080 you are pretty much screwed.
Great video, thanks for testing this for us! For the NCase M1 are you using the standard fan arrangement? Two bottom fans as intake, AIO as intake, one exhaust fan at the back? Cheers!
Have you considered testing the RTX3000 in the Sliger Console and Conswole cases? The perforated back panel should allow the flow-through design to breath very well.
Another thing you could do in the sandwich layout cases is turning the PSU around so that it takes in the air from the backside fan on the GPU out of the case.
I love your videos man, you serve a underappreciated segment of Enthusiast PC building. Very professional videos.
Amazing video as always!! Looking forward to your test results of RTX 3090 FE & 3080 FE on T1!!
Saw tests on 10+ 3080 cards, the cooling ability of 3080 FE is actually far behind the aftermarket cards, though it is much smaller in size.
Would be interested in ITX solutions for aftermarket cards, bigger chassis needed for sure, but you care less on how heat flows.
Did you get the Asus Z11? Also interested to see thermal results in cases like NZXT H210, nice video!
great video! was contemplating if I should get the FE or an aftermarket for my M1. Quick question, do you run 15mm or 25mm fans below the GPU in the M1?
Just saw that you're most likely running 25mm fans.
Thanks for the Video and all the testing
It's not much smaller than the Ncase M1, but it looks like a Sliger SM560 with the bracket for the bifurcated PCIe slot, but the non-bifurcated cable could put a 2-slot GPU up against the ventilated side panel with some space behind.
Yea my NR200 was a solid choice. Small enough to integrate well with my home theater. Large enough to maintain proper cooling and performance. Now to wait for Zen 3 and Super/TI variant. Its rough looking at a case just sitting there waiting to for parts.....
One more thing that should be tested: Blocking the top/pull fan tends to increase the gpu temps, as shown, but what about the bottom fan? Imagine, for example, this exact card on a NZXT H200/H210, where the top fan has loads of breathing space, in addition to a top exhaust fan on the case itself, AND the front-to-back airflow path. But, with the bottom fan being "choked" by the psu shroud