I am not convinced about Manie Libbok, but what I do like is the support and strength in Boks management to back a player who’s down, hope he gets a good start and shows his magic, if not Pollock is there as backup. Glad Moerat is out of match day 23, no energy, good on Fassie getting backed too. Now we can win this by 20 points, Argentina great side played their final last week, Go springboks Thanks for the content and update
That's not Manie fault that's Rassie fault thy knw. MANIE hv fobie to kick under the eyes of the supporters if thy are supporters thy are critics supporters
My hope for Mannie is that he’s a “Jessie Kriel success story”. I was one of the major doubters of Kriel and could not understand his selection over and over again, and now Rassies trust in backing him is very clear. Similarly, I am hugely frustrated by Mannie, but hopefully, by the next World Cup, this is what happens with Mannie - because of backing him he flourishes as an over-all flyhalf. Doesn’t hurt to have 3 excellent flyhalves available to choose from. Might as well give him time to grow now rather than resorting to him in 2027 when we find ourselves in an unfortunate injury situation.
Rassie has once again shown his coaching class and character… to back Manie after last weekends mistakes is such a mature and positive position to take. Manie has an opportunity to grow and I’ve no doubt he’ll grab it with both hands (and feet)! Come on Bokke!
People please don’t give Manie hate. I don’t understand it but at least Pollard can come on and finish the game. The way it should have been in Argentina.
Remember, Manie was top scorer when the Stormers won the URC and his kicking troubles started when the brought in the timer for kicking for posts. He is a great playmaker and i am sure he will get his confidence back with the placekicks.
This is not so much about Manie but about Rassie, Tony and the other management team saying Pollard cannot deliver the goods and they will rather take Manie and cushion his faults and shortcomings by adding extra kickers in the team, ( Jaden and Cheslin) . It's disappointing how you can be great one day and then kicked to the bottom of the pecking order the next🤷♀️. Keep your head up Handre. You won us world cups and will surely rise in the midst of this never ending drama. Nothing against Manie. But I don't see how you can't stick to the 10 you already have.
Good report on the team selection, as always Brenden. I think that Rassie's selection of Manie in the number 10 jersey is an excellent selection. Manie will be a key playmaker for the Boks this coming Saturday.
Well done to Rassie, right move. Gotta back his players, much prefer Manie starting and Polly on the bench to close out. Lets get behind and support him.
how many more times will the "manie will bounce back" excuse satisfy you? 5? are you willing to lose 5 more games because manie couldnt slot a sitter over? 10? what if it happens 15 more times? at what number would you personally go, "ok that's enough"?
On Saturday I was all for chucking him out. On reflection, keeping a cool head means that there is merit in what Rassie is doing. Another thing, a lot of players over the ages had difficult patches and eventually overcame them. Hopefully, Mannie does the same. I'm looking forward to this Test on Saturday.
Brenden I agree with you on Jordan Hendrikse. His kick to win the CC showed his class. His running game also fits in with the Tony Brown style of play. With him at 15 and Kolbe at 14 we would have a world class backline to match our pack. Lots of exciting talent coming through the Sharks youngsters eg.Venter, Hooker and Keyter.
@CraigMinnie Not yet because at this stage his play is a bit one dimensional. You know he's going to run it nine times out of ten. But I think in the future he will make a great kicking fullback. To my mind it doesn't hurt to have two goal kickers on the field. On Saturday we are forced into a 5/3 split to have Handre on the bench, whereas I think Rassie would like to have a tighter game and have an extra forward on the bench.
@@CraigMinnie Two more kicks from the Sharks half last night that left the commentators flabbergasted. Haven't seen kicking like that since Frans Steyn played.
@conradmatyszak2761 Agree with you that he kicks well .But come on did you see Fassi play brilliantly ,2 tries and a hand in some others .Can't compare
@CraigMinnie Fassi had a brilliant game. All our backs had a field day playing behind a forward pack like that. The only aspects of that game worthy of criticism was some missed tries and our goal kicking. How do think we should approach Life After Pollard? Manie definitely plays better without goal kicking duties.
It’s a calculated gamble by Rassie. If he was to drop Mannie now, that’s him over for good. He’s backed him. He needs to in order to prepare the ground for the next few years. He needs Mannie to come good and be a core part of the squad, knowing Pollard won’t see it through to another World Cup . V smart by Rassie. Greetings and best wishes to the Boks at the weekend from this England fan.
Let’s not forget Mannies contribution at the World Cup, he did a lot of good stuff in Santiago and has to be part of the longer term plan for 2027 Let’s back Mannie
Manie is extremely resilient and tough, so i doubt he will have any psychological problems. He is strong-minded and able to put negative experiences behind him very quickly.
A very smart chap once said "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different result". However, as @calvin-gregoryhoward1649says: we "hope for Mannie is ... a Jessie Kriel success story". Bok fans are ruthless (I showed him the finger when he missed - embarrassed!); win now, for tomorrow is a promise, yesterday history, but today the gift of the present. Having a backup for a pivotal and essential role makes no sense though. 9 & 10 should always be mainstays; but there again, Rassie's thinking is beyond ours. Look forward to watching the evolution of the survival of the fittest. Thank you Mr Nel for your insight; I've ignored Daan's obnoxious reply: "tapes been replaced by HD" LOL
can i just ask (genuine questions): 1. should an entire team be basing the way they play, around one player struggling with kicking (5/3 split as opposed to the usual 6/2) and; 2. how many more clutch/important missed kicks will it take for people to finally go, "its time to move on from manie?" 3, 5, 6? are you willing to let it go to 10? (feel free to provide a number or a reason) oh and, additional context for question 2: keep in mind that the difference between the top 3 or so teams can be negligible most times, ie. the teams are so close to one another these days, that more often than not it *IS* only just a kick (or a bad ref decision) that separates them. so please, stop with the "the boks should never have been in that situation, so dont blame the kicker" bs. a kick mostly *IS* what separates teams. (case in point: without pollard we would *NOT* have won the world cup.) edit: lets be honest for a sec and ask ourselves this: would the 2011-2015 all blacks (which we so much want to compare ourselves to), have accepted manie's consistent inconsistency in their team? if your answer is "no"...why do we (the proposed / supposed "best bok team / best team of all time")? 🤔
And - yes Rassie and his team won two world cups. But allow me to point out they won them with Pollard as goal kicking. A specialist that gets the huge ones over. Last year as well as in 2019 against Wales in the semi.
@@Magz-101Eish ,Ireland is the new number 1...Kind of fair if you consider we've lost 4 of the last 5 against them..We're still back to back World Champs though..But the stats don't lie,they win more thn we do..Hence they are nr 1
@Magz-101 Both things can be true ,we got to the final and won it. Ireland is a more consistent team and deserving of their ranking.We don't need to be condescending towards them.Just my view...
@@sancojoseph4939 Agreed. But also remember that Ireland competes with top 10 teams hence their wins move them up the ranks. Australian wins didn’t mean much rankings wise. Had those been against England we would still be number one. Beating Argentina this weekend won’t give us any points. So the rankings are not really about who wins most games, but about the rankings of the opposition. Winning against us away from home pushed their points up significantly. So my point it that these rankings are not necessarily a true reflection of success because of they were, Ireland would not have been knocked out in the quarterfinals of the last world, performing on par with Argentina who were ranked 10th or so
Brendon I think that Manie will be under big pressure from the local fans. Could even end up being booed. A great person to mentor Manie through this and possibly coming weeks would be Percy Montgomery. He has experienced the wrath of the fickle fan, went away from SA rugby and came back with ice in his veins. All Manie needs, is ice in his veins. He can kick but just not when he needs to.
There were no "fickle fans" booing Percy! Half the Country wanted him out of the Bok team, and with good reason. Jokes were rampant all over SA. Manie had better step up a notch on Saturday or probably face the same fate. Unless you forgot, the Springboks lost last Sat due to him. We could have won that game! So there are no fickle fans!!
Poor Manie... he might call in sick on Saturday 😟I do it all the time - it helps avoiding bad situations. Anyway, I think Rassie has included Manie to proof everyone wrong - hope it works out 😁
Surely, it's not the public/supporters' fault that Manie missed the easy kick (again). It is expected of the supporters to be at the games purchase kit/merchandise and support the team. So surely the supporter's base can be pissed when easy kicks get missed and repeated team selection mistakes like Moerat is made. So don't blame the support base.....
In the 1st 4 rounds of TRC, SFM & Pollard played the overwhelming majority of the time. Libbok had like 10min in the 2nd game against Aus. Our kick percentage was
Who blamed the support base? Rassie certainly didn’t. Brendan just voiced his concern that some supporters might make it a long day for Manie if he isn’t kicking well. I’d really hope, regardless of what is happening on the field the team is not booed. Real fans don’t do that. As fans it was disappointing that we didn’t win and we can vocalise that. The problem is when you blame it all on 1 missed kick. Yes it was an easy kick that could have won the game, but it also didn’t lose the game. There is a difference. Manie is a sublime footballer - we just need a different goal kicker. Also, it is the level of vitriol Manie has received that has been crazy. Let’s be disappointed as a fan base when we lose but let’s not attack our own. I just imagine Manie as my son and how it would feel to read this stuff. How quick people are to forget the good things he’s done.
NO! Manie was the only option to start. He needs more game time and we learnt last week and many times before that you can’t have him finish important games. He can only start if Pollard is there on the bench. Think people, why is everyone making a narrative of Rassie doubling down putting faith in manie
In my opinion the kicking duties will be kolbe and hendrikse long kicks fassi. Manie will be allowed to do what he does best creating playes, breaking lines, tey assist and high king. Basically being Willie le roux at flyhalf. Manie have got talent of reading the game unlike others. Yes his post kicking is shitty but in my opinion after my tantrum he will make up for that 1 kick
Manie should have started on Saturday....or joined Pollard on the field in the 2nd half..Maybe the latter was the plan but Pollard then ran out of puff? So Rassie made a mistake last week or wanted to put him into the fire? I am sure it will go well this week. Manie is a class player.
You make a good point. But Manie is an unreliable goal kicker. A great playmaker but an unreliable goal kicker. I am celebrating him as a playmaker but point out that he loses games with goal kicking. Games that is there for the taking in one good kick to posts. Like the WC final. That means - like Butch James had in Percy in the previous wc final in Paris - a team with Manie in must have another player as the goal kicker. And Kolbe has been tried. Faf too. They are not specialists goal kickers either. I hope Rassie is not planning on the Boks playing without a top level goal kicker and planning to run in lots of tries so they don't have to take points from kicking. Because then a very nasty awakening may wait.
Mannie cannot be the appointed kicker for the day. I'm sure Rassie has a plan while Mannie is on the field. If he doesn't, it would be senseless and shamefull to abuse Mannie the fans the players and common sense itself.
A glaring tactical error was made last week; playing Pollard first and being replaced by Libbok. Thankfully; this has been rectified by Rassie by reversing the sequence. I think most agree that Manie is a credible and accomplished Fly-Half; a reliable / consistent kicker he has never been ( As borne out by long-term stats ). Let's be straight-up honest : Comparatively; THAT Championship-winning penalty was a sitter for any recognised designated-kicker .... And Manie blew it by a WIDE margin ! With the Argies certainly up to it and in being given yet another opportunity; I trust / hope Manie validates / vindicates Rassie's support in being selected to play in this weekends critical game ..... BOKKE ! 🤙✊️👊💫💥🏉🇿🇦
Brenden : Significantly; you made specific mentions of both Manie + Jaden. JH spends more time flapping his arms; whilst looking at and remonstrating with the Ref; this instead of watching the ball and / or reading the game as it presents itself. More often than not; he is then forced into a late; predictable; repetitive 50/50 box-kick / chase-kick that allows the opposition all the time to gratefully accept the gift and ball possession is lost .... Again ! Please have someone make formal; written request of him as a Scrummy to actually PASS the ball to his capable and FORMIDABLE back-line ! BOKKE ! 🏉🇿🇦
Rassie is the boss and Lord God Almighty or He is overwhelmed by Tony Brown who needs to give the AB'S all the chance they can get to beat the Springboks.
I hear people say he missed the one kick.but I have seen far more than just one kick he missed, that cost us. It is not in his DNA to be a kicker . Rassie can back him as much as he wants to but Manie is NOT A KICKER
If Manie does not get the kicking duties why dont Rassie select a better defending and attacking player like Am,Mapimpi or Esterhuizen in the 10 Jersey?..Fassi would also be good at playing attacking rugby on 10 with Pollard on 15..
Lets be honest and ask this 2 questions. No.1...would ml still be in the team if he was white. No.2...would moerat been selected and captain(previous),if was white????
Jip,he would..Cast ur mind back to how Willie le Roux absolutely struggled, he couldn't catch a high ball to safe his life..Rassie persisted with him...Malcolm Marx and Nortje are struggling as a hooker-lineout captain ,but Rassie will persist with them too...As for the Moerat question.We had hookers like Bismarck ,and Van Biljon that were more explosive thn John Smit..But they made John hooker and captain ,because of his ability to stay relaxed under pressure..So yes,if a coach sees something in you,he'll stick it out with you,even if you are white..I don't think it has anything to do with skin colour mate...Ps..In my opinion they should try Ruan Venter at 4..He has that mongrel, that Salmaan lacks...I don't see a captain that can take-over from Siya as of yet...
You didn't mention WLR/Fassi selection? I'm a big Am fan, but I'd think I'd rather have WLR at 15/23. Manie wouldn't be playing if Sasha was fit. And on any day, I'd rather have Manie than Elton.
They want to get more caps into Fassi..Willie is on his way out..At most he'll get 10 more caps,thn retire...The only way Willie makes the 2027 WC squad is if Fassi,Willemse, Sacha and Horn are injured when they announce the team August of 2027..That is why Willie is playing less,and less..There is no future with Willie in it ,we're better off investing in Fassi..
The only Argie player I can recognize is the captain front row chap with the Mimecraft head, the 'I represent my country, you don't insult my country' chap. And yet, they play as a team on fire so if they bring it whilst the bokke do their normal spiel of looking surprised they are supposed to be playing a rugby game, I can easily see the Saffa's loosing it, and not only loosing it by throwing in an easy bonus point for the Argies to win the championship. It just feels right to me, Bokke winning back to back RWC then ending up a laughing stock a few months later.
This is the proof that springboks fans are the New England. He missed one kick and is world class. Do not punt him for missing one kick? How insane is that! Big ups Rassie for believing in your team and players.
Manie hasn't improved or fixed his flaws in over a year now. He has no BMT & worse, he chokes when the pressure is on. He plays okay when there's no pressure, but even in the URC he averaged one decent game out of three played ... that's just no Bok quality. And for some reason, people only remember those 1/3 matches. His general play isn't as great as everyone is spinning either. Last weekend wasn't the first time he's missed a corner kick by kicking it dead ... and he throws WAAAAY too many hospital passes. I'm so tired of hearing about he passes flat on the gain line ... what we never hear about the guy who catch those passes being flattened by defenders. Stop the damn excused for Manie. He's not one of the top 4 in his position in the country. Hendrickse showed huge BMT in the Currie Cup final, and Masuku rescued the Sharks season after he was parachuted in ... that's what we need in the Boks, not guys who are unreliable, choke under pressure, and whop can't fix their flaws.
Pollard on the bench ,thats a compliment 2 his character..He will be on the field when the game is on the line...Our most influential players actually play from the bench..Kitshoff and Francois Louw in 2019..RG,Kwagga and Pollard in 2023...In my opinion it's actually smart from Rassie..I recall Beauden Barrett, a two time World player of the year coming off the bench in June against England, and winning it for NZ..So I don't think it's a personal attack on Polly..Lots of coaches put elite players on the bench to make an impact..Cast ur mind back to 2011,Sonny Bill came off the bench..In conclusion, Polly is not a victim..Take care mate
Rassie is arrogant showing the SA public that the Springboks are nothing without his say so. It is now the responsibility of the rest of the team to provide a soft platform for the "golden boot, rugby genius and tactical masterclass of a once in a generation player" so that he has enough time to perform his magical trickery without feeling any pressure... because that is unfair to expect him to be world class under those conditions.
How is he the no.1 Please explain I detail. He ok at best. At the moment is Pollard and the Sasha bar the injury. Then I would like to see new blood in. Libbok would be my last choice
I get what you're saying about Manie being resilient but a person can only withstand so much abuse and hes had so many disgusting social media abuse hurled at him attacking his character attacking him racially etc. He definitely missed that penalty because of the abuse his received and it affected him at the Stormers as well. Every time he makes a small mistake the hateful whispers gets louder and louder. I hope he has a good one to quiet the haters and for him mentally.
Rassie is just deliberately selecting Manie and in doing so he shows disrespect for all the SA supporters..... Manie has had umpteen chances to show he is worthy of being a springbok but he falls short everything when he needs to shine. Rassie should also give the younger players like Wessels and Grobbie opportunities. We all wonder why a Star like Nohamba is not in the squad as he can easily cover 8 and 10.
Rassie would support loser Libbok - if he didn’t, he would be admitting his blatant mistake in naming Libbok. Rassie must remember - the fans are the ones paying his salary - no fans no money! No Springboks. The fans are King - and he must listen to them. Fans and supporters are not normally wrong. He fucked up badly in Argentina - do we want another loss? Drop Libbok! There is nothing to talk about. Libbok does not have big game temperament.
Rassie has already delivered 2 world cups and a British and Irish lions series. He has taken the springboks from number 7 ranking to number 1 for the last 44 weeks .The only reason we won the world cup is because we had depth in all positions. Easy with your aggressive comments, the boks are well supported and at present are a winning brand .The last thing a coach must do is listen to the fans.And what has he messed up .We have lost 2 games in our last 13 and both by one point .So don't know what your problem is .
First of SARU is Rassie's employer not the fans., Secondly he doesn't answer to the fans, Thirdly the ticket sales garnered goes to the union staging the game.SARU have extremely rich investors and sponsors who is actually responsible for Rassie's salary. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about, You have a serious heart issue ,May the Lord soften your heart
The support for Manie, by coach , ex Bok players and fans w any knowledge of the game, is very inspiring
I am not convinced about Manie Libbok, but what I do like is the support and strength in Boks management to back a player who’s down, hope he gets a good start and shows his magic, if not Pollock is there as backup. Glad Moerat is out of match day 23, no energy, good on Fassie getting backed too. Now we can win this by 20 points, Argentina great side played their final last week, Go springboks
Thanks for the content and update
I hope he can find the mentle fortitude. To prove me wrong about him. But I doubt it
I really hope the home crowd gets behind Manie...booing him will just add even more pressure to what he will be feeling before he takes a kick..
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That's not Manie fault that's Rassie fault thy knw. MANIE hv fobie to kick under the eyes of the supporters if thy are supporters thy are critics supporters
Maybe we must remember that the focus is winning the championship
My hope for Mannie is that he’s a “Jessie Kriel success story”. I was one of the major doubters of Kriel and could not understand his selection over and over again, and now Rassies trust in backing him is very clear. Similarly, I am hugely frustrated by Mannie, but hopefully, by the next World Cup, this is what happens with Mannie - because of backing him he flourishes as an over-all flyhalf. Doesn’t hurt to have 3 excellent flyhalves available to choose from. Might as well give him time to grow now rather than resorting to him in 2027 when we find ourselves in an unfortunate injury situation.
Ag plse
@@izakcelliers7307 that’s such a non-comment? Why wouldn’t you hope that a player improves for the overall success of the Boks at the next World Cup ?
Rassie has once again shown his coaching class and character… to back Manie after last weekends mistakes is such a mature and positive position to take. Manie has an opportunity to grow and I’ve no doubt he’ll grab it with both hands (and feet)! Come on Bokke!
Back the boy! He will do the job
@@danielson9841 😁 I hope that machina magica aka rugby boot radar component has undergone some crucial calibration 🤔
Manie,Moerat en Mapimpi moet F@kof.
Manie cant kick. He had so much time to sort out his kicking.
Slim vang sy baas.... Dis nou 3 verlore toetse... Fokmk julle oe oop!!!! En jy Rassie
People please don’t give Manie hate. I don’t understand it but at least Pollard can come on and finish the game. The way it should have been in Argentina.
Remember, Manie was top scorer when the Stormers won the URC and his kicking troubles started when the brought in the timer for kicking for posts. He is a great playmaker and i am sure he will get his confidence back with the placekicks.
😂😂😂3 jaar terug. 'jannie'
Manie great pn tackticle kicking, yes he missed one last week, but overall he has been pretty good, reckon he will keep tactile kicking duties..
This is not so much about Manie but about Rassie, Tony and the other management team saying Pollard cannot deliver the goods and they will rather take Manie and cushion his faults and shortcomings by adding extra kickers in the team, ( Jaden and Cheslin) . It's disappointing how you can be great one day and then kicked to the bottom of the pecking order the next🤷♀️. Keep your head up Handre. You won us world cups and will surely rise in the midst of this never ending drama. Nothing against Manie. But I don't see how you can't stick to the 10 you already have.
Good report on the team selection, as always Brenden.
I think that Rassie's selection of Manie in the number 10 jersey is an excellent selection.
Manie will be a key playmaker for the Boks this coming Saturday.
Well done to Rassie, right move. Gotta back his players, much prefer Manie starting and Polly on the bench to close out. Lets get behind and support him.
Manie will bounce back- watch this space.
how many more times will the "manie will bounce back" excuse satisfy you? 5? are you willing to lose 5 more games because manie couldnt slot a sitter over? 10? what if it happens 15 more times? at what number would you personally go, "ok that's enough"?
On Saturday I was all for chucking him out.
On reflection, keeping a cool head means that there is merit in what Rassie is doing.
Another thing, a lot of players over the ages had difficult patches and eventually overcame them. Hopefully, Mannie does the same.
I'm looking forward to this Test on Saturday.
Thing to remember is there is no law that says the flyhalf has to be the kicker, his fieldcraft is right up there so he deserves his spot on the team.
Brenden I agree with you on Jordan Hendrikse. His kick to win the CC showed his class. His running game also fits in with the Tony Brown style of play. With him at 15 and Kolbe at 14 we would have a world class backline to match our pack. Lots of exciting talent coming through the Sharks youngsters eg.Venter, Hooker and Keyter.
@@conradmatyszak2761 My word Conrad are you gonna tell me you want hendikse to play ahead of Damien Willemse or Fassi .
@CraigMinnie
Not yet because at this stage his play is a bit one dimensional. You know he's going to run it nine times out of ten. But I think in the future he will make a great kicking fullback. To my mind it doesn't hurt to have two goal kickers on the field. On Saturday we are forced into a 5/3 split to have Handre on the bench, whereas I think Rassie would like to have a tighter game and have an extra forward on the bench.
@@CraigMinnie Two more kicks from the Sharks half last night that left the commentators flabbergasted. Haven't seen kicking like that since Frans Steyn played.
@conradmatyszak2761 Agree with you that he kicks well .But come on did you see Fassi play brilliantly ,2 tries and a hand in some others .Can't compare
@CraigMinnie Fassi had a brilliant game. All our backs had a field day playing behind a forward pack like that. The only aspects of that game worthy of criticism was some missed tries and our goal kicking. How do think we should approach Life After Pollard? Manie definitely plays better without goal kicking duties.
I’ll be there on Saturday. Go Bokke!!!
It’s a calculated gamble by Rassie. If he was to drop Mannie now, that’s him over for good. He’s backed him. He needs to in order to prepare the ground for the next few years. He needs Mannie to come good and be a core part of the squad, knowing Pollard won’t see it through to another World Cup . V smart by Rassie. Greetings and best wishes to the Boks at the weekend from this England fan.
Pollard will be 33 at the next RWC. If managed well and uninjured, there's no reason why he couldn't still play at the RWC '27.
And if still up to scratch, of course.
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Let’s not forget Mannies contribution at the World Cup, he did a lot of good stuff in Santiago and has to be part of the longer term plan for 2027 Let’s back Mannie
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@@izakcelliers7307 lag vir jou gat
He also got pulled from the England game and was effectively dropped.
Rassie did not double down. Some fans complained. Rassie immediately defended him.
An question to ask, why Salmaan Moerat is not getting another change????😂😂😂😂😂, as he is the main reason why the game was lost???
The question is, is Mannie in the right mind? Psychologically that guy is gutted.
Manie is extremely resilient and tough, so i doubt he will have any psychological problems.
He is strong-minded and able to put negative experiences behind him very quickly.
Is that your professional opinion, Dr? 🤔
@@jaygeeist Then to go on and create more negativity...... Quota Bok
A very smart chap once said "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different result". However, as @calvin-gregoryhoward1649says: we "hope for Mannie is ... a Jessie Kriel success story". Bok fans are ruthless (I showed him the finger when he missed - embarrassed!); win now, for tomorrow is a promise, yesterday history, but today the gift of the present. Having a backup for a pivotal and essential role makes no sense though. 9 & 10 should always be mainstays; but there again, Rassie's thinking is beyond ours. Look forward to watching the evolution of the survival of the fittest. Thank you Mr Nel for your insight; I've ignored Daan's obnoxious reply: "tapes been replaced by HD" LOL
In our head in our heads Rassie!
So no kicks to the uprights until Pollard comes onto the field then?
So back to 10 man rugby when Pollard comes on then?
Maybe Kolbe will take over the kicking duty
can i just ask (genuine questions):
1. should an entire team be basing the way they play, around one player struggling with kicking (5/3 split as opposed to the usual 6/2) and;
2. how many more clutch/important missed kicks will it take for people to finally go, "its time to move on from manie?" 3, 5, 6? are you willing to let it go to 10? (feel free to provide a number or a reason)
oh and, additional context for question 2:
keep in mind that the difference between the top 3 or so teams can be negligible most times, ie. the teams are so close to one another these days, that more often than not it *IS* only just a kick (or a bad ref decision) that separates them. so please, stop with the "the boks should never have been in that situation, so dont blame the kicker" bs. a kick mostly *IS* what separates teams. (case in point: without pollard we would *NOT* have won the world cup.)
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lets be honest for a sec and ask ourselves this: would the 2011-2015 all blacks (which we so much want to compare ourselves to), have accepted manie's consistent inconsistency in their team? if your answer is "no"...why do we (the proposed / supposed "best bok team / best team of all time")? 🤔
Manie Jy Kan!
And - yes Rassie and his team won two world cups. But allow me to point out they won them with Pollard as goal kicking. A specialist that gets the huge ones over. Last year as well as in 2019 against Wales in the semi.
Springboks need To Pull their Socks up
What socks? That’s the best team in world rugby as we speak
@@Magz-101Eish ,Ireland is the new number 1...Kind of fair if you consider we've lost 4 of the last 5 against them..We're still back to back World Champs though..But the stats don't lie,they win more thn we do..Hence they are nr 1
@@sancojoseph4939 And that no.1 ranking does what for a team besides bragging rights? Besides the 6 nations, what other major trophy have they won?
@Magz-101 Both things can be true ,we got to the final and won it. Ireland is a more consistent team and deserving of their ranking.We don't need to be condescending towards them.Just my view...
@@sancojoseph4939 Agreed. But also remember that Ireland competes with top 10 teams hence their wins move them up the ranks. Australian wins didn’t mean much rankings wise. Had those been against England we would still be number one. Beating Argentina this weekend won’t give us any points. So the rankings are not really about who wins most games, but about the rankings of the opposition. Winning against us away from home pushed their points up significantly. So my point it that these rankings are not necessarily a true reflection of success because of they were, Ireland would not have been knocked out in the quarterfinals of the last world, performing on par with Argentina who were ranked 10th or so
Any TRAINING FOOTAGE?
Brendon I think that Manie will be under big pressure from the local fans. Could even end up being booed. A great person to mentor Manie through this and possibly coming weeks would be Percy Montgomery. He has experienced the wrath of the fickle fan, went away from SA rugby and came back with ice in his veins. All Manie needs, is ice in his veins. He can kick but just not when he needs to.
There were no "fickle fans" booing Percy! Half the Country wanted him out of the Bok team, and with good reason. Jokes were rampant all over SA. Manie had better step up a notch on Saturday or probably face the same fate. Unless you forgot, the Springboks lost last Sat due to him. We could have won that game! So there are no fickle fans!!
Poor Manie... he might call in sick on Saturday 😟I do it all the time - it helps avoiding bad situations. Anyway, I think Rassie has included Manie to proof everyone wrong - hope it works out 😁
Surely, it's not the public/supporters' fault that Manie missed the easy kick (again). It is expected of the supporters to be at the games purchase kit/merchandise and support the team. So surely the supporter's base can be pissed when easy kicks get missed and repeated team selection mistakes like Moerat is made. So don't blame the support base.....
True 👍
Polly gave away 14 points, with missed tackles, crap on him
@ajayc641 Sad how blind people can be towards other players mistakes
In the 1st 4 rounds of TRC, SFM & Pollard played the overwhelming majority of the time. Libbok had like 10min in the 2nd game against Aus. Our kick percentage was
Who blamed the support base? Rassie certainly didn’t. Brendan just voiced his concern that some supporters might make it a long day for Manie if he isn’t kicking well. I’d really hope, regardless of what is happening on the field the team is not booed. Real fans don’t do that. As fans it was disappointing that we didn’t win and we can vocalise that. The problem is when you blame it all on 1 missed kick. Yes it was an easy kick that could have won the game, but it also didn’t lose the game. There is a difference. Manie is a sublime footballer - we just need a different goal kicker. Also, it is the level of vitriol Manie has received that has been crazy. Let’s be disappointed as a fan base when we lose but let’s not attack our own. I just imagine Manie as my son and how it would feel to read this stuff. How quick people are to forget the good things he’s done.
NO! Manie was the only option to start. He needs more game time and we learnt last week and many times before that you can’t have him finish important games. He can only start if Pollard is there on the bench. Think people, why is everyone making a narrative of Rassie doubling down putting faith in manie
Gfys....
Manie will be ok he will do the thing 👍😜
Looking forward to fair weather Springbok supports party Saturday night.
In my opinion the kicking duties will be kolbe and hendrikse long kicks fassi. Manie will be allowed to do what he does best creating playes, breaking lines, tey assist and high king. Basically being Willie le roux at flyhalf. Manie have got talent of reading the game unlike others. Yes his post kicking is shitty but in my opinion after my tantrum he will make up for that 1 kick
Manie is currently the nr 3 flyhalf and with Shasha injured he's the obvious choice anyway. So GO MANIE!!!
Hopefully Cheslin or Jayden will take the first shot at poles (even if its sitter). Manie MUST be freed from the pressure of goalkicking
Manie should have started on Saturday....or joined Pollard on the field in the 2nd half..Maybe the latter was the plan but Pollard then ran out of puff?
So Rassie made a mistake last week or wanted to put him into the fire?
I am sure it will go well this week. Manie is a class player.
Gyz i'm not happy our legend Salman Moerat has been left out, it's a huge blow for Springboks, we need him 😅😅😅
Kak...he is a Currie cup level player
We dont need BEE players. We have enough talent.
Argentine got nothing to lose this game is going to be a storm 🇿🇦❤🏉
You make a good point. But Manie is an unreliable goal kicker. A great playmaker but an unreliable goal kicker.
I am celebrating him as a playmaker but point out that he loses games with goal kicking. Games that is there for the taking in one good kick to posts. Like the WC final.
That means - like Butch James had in Percy in the previous wc final in Paris - a team with Manie in must have another player as the goal kicker.
And Kolbe has been tried. Faf too. They are not specialists goal kickers either.
I hope Rassie is not planning on the Boks playing without a top level goal kicker and planning to run in lots of tries so they don't have to take points from kicking. Because then a very nasty awakening may wait.
I love you bro , harder werrk pays off
I did not think my respect for Rassie could get higher, good man,defiantly a national treasure
😂😂😂😂😂Tosser
Brendan you are just stirring. Why would local fans boo their own player? You need to be more responsible as a reporter.
Nee wat I back Brandon mannie needs a foot massage 💆♀️
Ag please stop being a snowflake. Brendan had lots of praise of Manie on this video.
I'm definitely going to boo him. Even if he gets the kick over.
Lots Boo Manie
You’re the one who’s stirring. Brenden said nothing wrong
Manie Must Proof in First 10 min
Rassie has a plan... Chessie will take the 80th minute preasure kick. 🇿🇦👌
"Rassie doubles down and backs Manie!" oh ffs 🤦♂
Stronger together ...why would the homecrowd be hostile?
Have you not seen some of the unbelievable vitriol spewed on sm? 😢
No way that will happen. Real Bok fans behind our men
@@ZimGal-dj6wpVery unfortunate really
Mannie cannot be the appointed kicker for the day. I'm sure Rassie has a plan while Mannie is on the field. If he doesn't, it would be senseless and shamefull to abuse Mannie the fans the players and common sense itself.
Full headboy responses... The cost us atleast 4 tests... RASSIE... SLIM VANG SY BAAS!!!!!!!!
Great going Brenden‼️
we shall see…💫
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A glaring tactical error was made last week; playing Pollard first and being replaced by Libbok. Thankfully; this has been rectified by Rassie by reversing the sequence. I think most agree that Manie is a credible and accomplished Fly-Half; a reliable / consistent kicker he has never been ( As borne out by long-term stats ). Let's be straight-up honest : Comparatively; THAT Championship-winning penalty was a sitter for any recognised designated-kicker .... And Manie blew it by a WIDE margin ! With the Argies certainly up to it and in being given yet another opportunity; I trust / hope Manie validates / vindicates Rassie's support in being selected to play in this weekends critical game ..... BOKKE ! 🤙✊️👊💫💥🏉🇿🇦
Brenden : Significantly; you made specific mentions of both Manie + Jaden. JH spends more time flapping his arms; whilst looking at and remonstrating with the Ref; this instead of watching the ball and / or reading the game as it presents itself. More often than not; he is then forced into a late; predictable; repetitive 50/50 box-kick / chase-kick that allows the opposition all the time to gratefully accept the gift and ball possession is lost .... Again ! Please have someone make formal; written request of him as a Scrummy to actually PASS the ball to his capable and FORMIDABLE back-line ! BOKKE ! 🏉🇿🇦
Was before a big fan of Ben Jason. Fare dissapointed in him than Manny. Something erong there
No Mess No Waste of Points
Manie Misbok 🙈🙈🙈🤡🤡🤡
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Any kicker can miss... Its about Faith... If its meant to be... So will it be done!!! +++
Rassie is the boss and Lord God Almighty or He is overwhelmed by Tony Brown who needs to give the AB'S all the chance they can get to beat the Springboks.
The latter.
What a ridiculous comment!!!
I back rassie and manie👌
I hear people say he missed the one kick.but I have seen far more than just one kick he missed, that cost us. It is not in his DNA to be a kicker . Rassie can back him as much as he wants to but Manie is NOT A KICKER
If that same kick was missed in a world cup final it would have been absolute bedlam?
Gamble? They did the same in the WC SF last year
Manie is still a Wonderful and brilliant Rugby Player
If Manie does not get the kicking duties why dont Rassie select a better defending and attacking player like Am,Mapimpi or Esterhuizen in the 10 Jersey?..Fassi would also be good at playing attacking rugby on 10 with Pollard on 15..
Manie kan nie, dis wat ek dink.
You missed the most important point Rassie made about Mannie!? Surprisingly...no need to apologize for the Naysayers.
Lets be honest and ask this 2 questions.
No.1...would ml still be in the team if he was white.
No.2...would moerat been selected and captain(previous),if was white????
Jip,he would..Cast ur mind back to how Willie le Roux absolutely struggled, he couldn't catch a high ball to safe his life..Rassie persisted with him...Malcolm Marx and Nortje are struggling as a hooker-lineout captain ,but Rassie will persist with them too...As for the Moerat question.We had hookers like Bismarck ,and Van Biljon that were more explosive thn John Smit..But they made John hooker and captain ,because of his ability to stay relaxed under pressure..So yes,if a coach sees something in you,he'll stick it out with you,even if you are white..I don't think it has anything to do with skin colour mate...Ps..In my opinion they should try Ruan Venter at 4..He has that mongrel, that Salmaan lacks...I don't see a captain that can take-over from Siya as of yet...
Yes it was proven many times look at Willie how many chances he got leave the race card.
Manie's kicking was no worse than Handre's tackling.
Why is Salman Moerat not playing????😂
He's too good
Currie cup potentially
Looks like you don't know what doubles down mean,Rassie doubled up and backed Manie
You didn't mention WLR/Fassi selection? I'm a big Am fan, but I'd think I'd rather have WLR at 15/23. Manie wouldn't be playing if Sasha was fit. And on any day, I'd rather have Manie than Elton.
They want to get more caps into Fassi..Willie is on his way out..At most he'll get 10 more caps,thn retire...The only way Willie makes the 2027 WC squad is if Fassi,Willemse, Sacha and Horn are injured when they announce the team August of 2027..That is why Willie is playing less,and less..There is no future with Willie in it ,we're better off investing in Fassi..
I think Manie is not going to kick.
Manny isby far the most creative flyhalf in SA.wish hedid not have to kick to poles
That thing is a Quota Bok.....thsts all.
The only Argie player I can recognize is the captain front row chap with the Mimecraft head, the 'I represent my country, you don't insult my country' chap.
And yet, they play as a team on fire so if they bring it whilst the bokke do their normal spiel of looking surprised they are supposed to be playing a rugby game, I can easily see the Saffa's loosing it, and not only loosing it by throwing in an easy bonus point for the Argies to win the championship.
It just feels right to me, Bokke winning back to back RWC then ending up a laughing stock a few months later.
Manie is far better starting ..... my opinion he control far better the defense of the team and his kicking for contest in air.
I would seriously get Manie to do some coaching with jonhy Wilkinson
Why not go Braam van Straaten
Naas Botha BETTER
Rassie for President!!
In Rassie we trust ♥️
He had to back him , wtf else could he do??
And the lock / captain . Hardly saw him.
This is the proof that springboks fans are the New England. He missed one kick and is world class. Do not punt him for missing one kick? How insane is that! Big ups Rassie for believing in your team and players.
I back Erasmus & Co selections.
Rassie whey do you cover Libbok so much due to your bad selection and you don't admit it pls Rassie open your eyes
Manie hasn't improved or fixed his flaws in over a year now. He has no BMT & worse, he chokes when the pressure is on.
He plays okay when there's no pressure, but even in the URC he averaged one decent game out of three played ... that's just no Bok quality. And for some reason, people only remember those 1/3 matches.
His general play isn't as great as everyone is spinning either. Last weekend wasn't the first time he's missed a corner kick by kicking it dead ... and he throws WAAAAY too many hospital passes. I'm so tired of hearing about he passes flat on the gain line ... what we never hear about the guy who catch those passes being flattened by defenders.
Stop the damn excused for Manie. He's not one of the top 4 in his position in the country. Hendrickse showed huge BMT in the Currie Cup final, and Masuku rescued the Sharks season after he was parachuted in ... that's what we need in the Boks, not guys who are unreliable, choke under pressure, and whop can't fix their flaws.
Ja nee lyk my rassie wil nou di cup verloor met manie weer in di span dis ni proewe ni dis n toets 😮
Nelspriut.
We support Manie!
Manie will do great!
We believe in Manie starting 🙌🏾
Stop it
😂😂😂😂😂😂Wanker
Why will Polard (only 30)stand for this rate the third best fly half by the holy Rassie
X fan off Rassie
I wonder the same thing. Pollard should not have to take this nonsense. They used for the world cups wins but quick to chuck him to the side. 😢
Pollard on the bench ,thats a compliment 2 his character..He will be on the field when the game is on the line...Our most influential players actually play from the bench..Kitshoff and Francois Louw in 2019..RG,Kwagga and Pollard in 2023...In my opinion it's actually smart from Rassie..I recall Beauden Barrett, a two time World player of the year coming off the bench in June against England, and winning it for NZ..So I don't think it's a personal attack on Polly..Lots of coaches put elite players on the bench to make an impact..Cast ur mind back to 2011,Sonny Bill came off the bench..In conclusion, Polly is not a victim..Take care mate
Leave Manie alone. He is not the only issue in last weekend's loss.
100%
Rassie is arrogant showing the SA public that the Springboks are nothing without his say so. It is now the responsibility of the rest of the team to provide a soft platform for the "golden boot, rugby genius and tactical masterclass of a once in a generation player" so that he has enough time to perform his magical trickery without feeling any pressure... because that is unfair to expect him to be world class under those conditions.
i think hes the no 1 fly half just his kicking sucks
How is he the no.1
Please explain I detail.
He ok at best.
At the moment is Pollard and the Sasha bar the injury.
Then I would like to see new blood in.
Libbok would be my last choice
Argentina played their best game last week!!!
SA fans online just proved to the world that they are the worst rugby fans online...was disgusting
By far not!! You're a troll. Get your nose out of our Rugby business and clean up your own back yard, ie: NZ, Eng, France, Ireland etc..
💯Best comment here!
💯 agree.Sad really
Same Rassie what do Libbok own you to be in the team he is not GOOD PLS OPEN YOUR EYES
Manie for Man of the Match and his haters will go back to their cave
Will Manie be the end of Rassie
Salman Moerat will be !!!
Please stop talking crasp
@@AffectionateMountainRang-xv8gv 🤣
Its getting boring now@AffectionateMountainRang-xv8gv
no, braai meat will
I get what you're saying about Manie being resilient but a person can only withstand so much abuse and hes had so many disgusting social media abuse hurled at him attacking his character attacking him racially etc. He definitely missed that penalty because of the abuse his received and it affected him at the Stormers as well. Every time he makes a small mistake the hateful whispers gets louder and louder. I hope he has a good one to quiet the haters and for him mentally.
Rassie is just deliberately selecting Manie and in doing so he shows disrespect for all the SA supporters.....
Manie has had umpteen chances to show he is worthy of being a springbok but he falls short everything when he needs to shine.
Rassie should also give the younger players like Wessels and Grobbie opportunities.
We all wonder why a Star like Nohamba is not in the squad as he can easily cover 8 and 10.
Would love to see him at 8.
Agree 100% - to play at that level YOU HAVE TO BE AND PERFORM AT THAT LEVEL - no tinkering.
Manny is the most creative flyhalf in SA. If it was only flyhalf play andkickingto poles i would choose Mannyovey Polly everyday
He doesn't have a choice.
The most reliable predictor of a players future performance is his past performance.
This proof that the match in Argentinia was match fixing to make more money in Nelspruit.
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Huh?
@@anthonyafonso3599 If we did win in Argentinia, the game in Nelspruit will not be so important.
@@lourensswart1796 would still have filled the stadium. Regardless
This is a stupid comment to make.
Rassie would support loser Libbok - if he didn’t, he would be admitting his blatant mistake in naming Libbok. Rassie must remember - the fans are the ones paying his salary - no fans no money! No Springboks. The fans are King - and he must listen to them. Fans and supporters are not normally wrong. He fucked up badly in Argentina - do we want another loss? Drop Libbok! There is nothing to talk about. Libbok does not have big game temperament.
what an arrogant comment, why need coaches when we have "fans" who can call all the shots?
Rassie has already delivered 2 world cups and a British and Irish lions series. He has taken the springboks from number 7 ranking to number 1 for the last 44 weeks .The only reason we won the world cup is because we had depth in all positions. Easy with your aggressive comments, the boks are well supported and at present are a winning brand .The last thing a coach must do is listen to the fans.And what has he messed up .We have lost 2 games in our last 13 and both by one point .So don't know what your problem is .
First of SARU is Rassie's employer not the fans.,
Secondly he doesn't answer to the fans,
Thirdly the ticket sales garnered goes to the union staging the game.SARU have extremely rich investors and sponsors who is actually responsible for Rassie's salary.
You clearly have no clue what you are talking about,
You have a serious heart issue ,May the Lord soften your heart
Another brainless fan...
The best of the best missed kicks. It's not a crime. It's called being human.