An outstanding presentation instead of a lot of the misinformation provided by many so called experts. It appears to me that you have an engineering background and sharing this information is more beneficial than talking about the color on the top of the lure which is meaningless drivel. I have also purchased some of the new larger diameter reels. It seems to me that the reason the spools were so small, in the past, was to sell line since most of the line was wasted.
Looking at the old Abu Garcias made in the 60s-70s...man, that inner diameter is close to zero on some of them "fresh water" C4500 models. The line capacity was for inshore jigging lol
Yes I'm willing to dig a little bit. This is the factual information that a lot of people neglected. I once thought the IPT on my spinning has to do with the rotar diameter but after thinking more, it's just the same as how IPT works on a bait caster, has everything to do with the inner diameter of the line filled spool. Keep it up man!
That doesn't really surprise me. I've always known there were discrepancies between the claim and the performance, but never bothered to math it out. I was surprised at how big the differences were. Well done!
I wish i could subscribe to this channel 100 times. I am really looking forward to further tackle tech breakdowns! This is a niche in the youtube bass fishing ecosystem that is unfilled and you are clearly qualified to fulfill! It is also something i believe there will be a lot of interest in, so please continue with it and dont worry about going to "nerdy" many fisherman are educated and appreciate the in-depth explanations.
So many factors to consider. Another one would be how changing diameter of line changes depth lure runs or how changing material of line changes depth etc. buzzbaits require faster handle turning at beginning of retrieve for another reason as well, to get them to rise to surface,, the longer you wait, the deeper it falls.
Yes there are many things worthy digging a little in fishing. On the line diameter matter, for deep diving crank baits, the thin line first ensures distance, at the same time ensures the bait will reach max depth given thin diameter and the distance. Chatterbait and buzz bait and some spinnerbait like you said will benefit on longer IPT at end of cast. Many interesting things for thought for sure.
Yes after spooling Steez went to the soccer field pulled all line out and checked with measuring wheel, error between the two was 2 meters over ~75 meters, roughly 3%.
So… I tried sharing this information a while ago in that IPT to calculate distance is waaaaay overstated… especially if you don’t fill your spool to the max outer diameter. Good stuff! I now use an average of inner diameter and outer diameter to give a better incorrect answer lol.
Exactly, for that Steez example, that "91m casting" was in fact 68m by my wheel measurement, a 33% boost from reality lol and that amount of line out does not equal to effective distance of casting, and that accurate effective distance of casting should only be measured on ground.
@@BassniperEng yep you are correct. I always disliked seeing UA-camrs “measure” their casting distance using the manufacturer stated IPT values as they are basically the maximum IPT value a reel could ever experience. I think the video I put out on this subject was something very similar to yours haha “are manufactured lying to us” or something along those lines. I think IPT is stated in the specs to give an idea of a rate of retrieval and really shouldn’t be used to calculate distances. However, if you can get a closer approximation it can still be a useful tool to give you a better approximation of the distance. That’s why I just average the inner and outer diameter of the spool now and call it a day. In bfs applications we only tend to use around 50m of line to fill our spools and so this approximation is usually underreporting the actual distance cast but I’d rather under report a distance value than over report. I’ve also started using the spool of lines diameter to measure out how much line i am spooling. The diameter on a spool of line changes much less than a reels spool diameter so it’s easier to use. The downside is no gear ratio so for 50m of line I’m often stuck counting out around 220-240 rotations of the spool of line lol 😆. Anyways, awesome to see that I am not the only one who picked up on this. Cheers my friend!
Counting line spool is a clever way. In the vid I posted on my other channel couple years ago on this subject, I built a table for easy conversion of line weight to length for FC and mono with different lb test. Shimano has something similar on their Japanese website. The line packing rate (%volume on spool) was the key. For distance estimation on the water, the thing that can throw a wrench in the accuracy is the water depth. I can cast into a 30 ft hole unknowingly with a 1/2 oz dropshot weight, and while I am tightening the slack, the weight is sinking to the bottom aka tightening from the other end, the measurement thus will be biased, usually over reported. But hey, fishing is for fun lol I think I am being too nerdy here. Tight lines buddy 🐟
@@BassniperEng hey haha I don’t see anything wrong with nerding out 😆 especially when it helps to understand what is actually going on. Your method of using volume to calculate distance is a good idea and I had thought about that for braid as well but I think as you mentioned there are too many variables that can’t be accounted for such as moisture content adding weight/volume, air gaps(and tightening to remove them etc), as well as inconsistencies in manufacture reported diameters for line. At the end of the day, I just get lazy and use the best wrong answer to fit the need lol. 😅 ps I sent you a message on Instagram! Cheers my friend!
I am casting beyond the Horizon everytime on my local lake.😎👌 A 12ft/3.5 lbs rod with a 4oz torpedolead for every carpangler, in Camo colors ofcourse or else the fish will be spooked 😅🎣. Great info, good reminder. 😊 This is really useful 🎉
Reminds me of the type of fishing back in home, we use what we call "bomb rig", a big metal spring in the middle and 6 hooks around it, flour/corn based bait ball around the spring and cast with 12 ft gigantic rods lol Tight lines!
Here is the filed test of the 24 Steez: ua-cam.com/video/y7pf91Tolwg/v-deo.htmlsi=CM0lUr6mWmupzrBv This one is oriented at practical test, and is not a serious distance test. I did the on-land casting/measurements and compared against 21 Zillion, 20 Tatula and 24 Tatula, hasn't got a chance to edit. Overall there is some noticeable improvement as far as effortless goes. I was able to cast 1/8 oz jighead no problem with a rod that does not even load too well.
Make sense really...that what i always think about gear ratios also...but were very detailed my friend...thanks very informative...you just like reading an authors book about the real thing 👍🏻👍🏻
Interesting and well produced video. You ever fish saltwater in San Diego? My Lexa hd 300 and 400tw come with me almost every trip out. Pretty neat reels.
Yes! You from there? When I was there I did a lot of jetty fishing using Japanese ISO style (floater + 17 ft long rod) for the zebra perch, opaleyes, Sargo halfmoon and calicos, and yellow fin tuna trips too. Love the place. Freshwater was so pressured though.
@@BassniperEng yes I am and yes the freshwater is insane. The crappie are getting hammered right now. I've never tried iso fishing but would use my surf gear for the same species off the jetty's or the beach. Bay fishing is very fun with 200sized bait casters but more people are getting into the micro style of fishing. Toying with the idea of getting a bfs reel.
You say, if you fill the reel full, you get a faster retrieve with any given gear ratio. However, in your last vid on spool inertia, it was pointed out that a full spool increases initial inertia. What is a person to think?
Full spool increases inertia, but enables the bait to pull the spool with better torque, plus filling the spool with "lighter line" can achieve less inertia while maintaining the torque. Overall, if using fluorocarbon line, we need to use "lighter line" such as mono or braided as backing to reduce inertia, and fill it to full using fluorocarbon. In reality the torque and inertia are not the only factors affect casting. Friction (from brake, from guide, from air) is a huge factor. To illustrate this impact, I will demonstrate with casting experiments in future videos. For the retrieve part, it impacts lure presentation and fish fighting more. There needs to be a balance point to strike, one needs to decide based on actual fishing scenario, casting is not everything. Sometimes to fighting the fish will override casting (i.e. throwing a frog in lily pads I will always fill the spool full with 40-65lb braid to achieve the highest IPT to pull fish out of pads).
Under filling a spool reduces the rotational inertia, but at the same time it reduces the amount of line-out per turn because of the lower diameter. Would this hurt or help with casting lighter lures?
If friction did not ever exist in the real world, it would all be easily explained. But...ah friction (line, brake, air), hence so much for the math equation and paper physics. I will explain this in future videos by testing. Stay tuned.
Need some advice please 'Guru". I have the following Shimano Conquest reels. Conquest BSF-HG/ 23 MD30 Shallow spool/ 24 Conquest BFX XG 8.9 SE30HG. I want the deeper spools for more and stronger (20/25lb Braid)...can you advise spool identification?. Can you assist?😁
Are you saying you are looking for a deeper spool to match the Conquest BFS? Or to match the 24 Conquest SE? How much of 20-25lb braided line are you looking to put on? I'd check Hedgehog Studio (Japanese upgrade parts specialty store), they usually have whatever you could imagine. Let me know if you want me to take a look at specific models.
Using backing is mainly to reduce spool weight, in this sense braid and mono are similar in density (i.e. putting same volume, similar weight), so either is fine. However I prefer mono, since it's easier to put on spool and never slips like braid does on certain spools sometimes.
To me they are quite different from each other. I don't like the round reels for jigs Texas jerk baits etc aka the lures require a lot rod action. Low profile in my hand feels more versatile. For long casting purposes I have yet to test the Conquest SE but based on the performance of 21 Conquest 100, it would only be better.
20:54 Correct . If you're ever in the Northern Michigan Petoskey area let me know - I'll learn more physics , and if you want can talk Neuropsychiatry as well 😊.Now I await my Madness Balams😂!
@@BassniperEng I caught 4 , four small mouths Bass All around 20-21 inches in Crooked Lake in the past year . 2 were top water WPloppers 130 , 1 on MB Gorham and one on the Jackall gantia btw
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i love these type of videos , please continue making such videos, opened up a new dimension of thinking when buying tackle
JERRY!!! I've been so upset that you keep leaving the subtitles off your other videos.. Now I am so happy find your english channel!
LOL now you know how lazy I am as far as subtitle goes~tight lines!
lol, that's fine, I'm just grateful I'll get to watch your content from now on!@@BassniperEng
An outstanding presentation instead of a lot of the misinformation provided by many so called experts. It appears to me that you have an engineering background and sharing this information is more beneficial than talking about the color on the top of the lure which is meaningless drivel. I have also purchased some of the new larger diameter reels. It seems to me that the reason the spools were so small, in the past, was to sell line since most of the line was wasted.
Looking at the old Abu Garcias made in the 60s-70s...man, that inner diameter is close to zero on some of them "fresh water" C4500 models. The line capacity was for inshore jigging lol
You sir are the Bass SHOGUN!!!
LOL that's an over compliment. Weekend angler
Thank you for sharing this info now I can buy reels wisely
Yes I'm willing to dig a little bit. This is the factual information that a lot of people neglected. I once thought the IPT on my spinning has to do with the rotar diameter but after thinking more, it's just the same as how IPT works on a bait caster, has everything to do with the inner diameter of the line filled spool. Keep it up man!
That doesn't really surprise me. I've always known there were discrepancies between the claim and the performance, but never bothered to math it out.
I was surprised at how big the differences were. Well done!
I wish i could subscribe to this channel 100 times. I am really looking forward to further tackle tech breakdowns! This is a niche in the youtube bass fishing ecosystem that is unfilled and you are clearly qualified to fulfill! It is also something i believe there will be a lot of interest in, so please continue with it and dont worry about going to "nerdy" many fisherman are educated and appreciate the in-depth explanations.
So many factors to consider. Another one would be how changing diameter of line changes depth lure runs or how changing material of line changes depth etc. buzzbaits require faster handle turning at beginning of retrieve for another reason as well, to get them to rise to surface,, the longer you wait, the deeper it falls.
Yes there are many things worthy digging a little in fishing. On the line diameter matter, for deep diving crank baits, the thin line first ensures distance, at the same time ensures the bait will reach max depth given thin diameter and the distance. Chatterbait and buzz bait and some spinnerbait like you said will benefit on longer IPT at end of cast. Many interesting things for thought for sure.
Thank you for this information
Interesting and valuable info. It will help me in fishing.
Thank you for this very interesting facts and information.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Glad you have a English channel now. Usually watch your other channel with translated subtitles.
Hey thanks for the support! You are brave to read the subtitle on the other though~I almost never check them and was all done by UA-cam AI lol
Yes full spool much higher ratio than empty spool. Another variable: Is you line counter correct? Glad you checked it with spool diameter measurement.
Yes after spooling Steez went to the soccer field pulled all line out and checked with measuring wheel, error between the two was 2 meters over ~75 meters, roughly 3%.
So… I tried sharing this information a while ago in that IPT to calculate distance is waaaaay overstated… especially if you don’t fill your spool to the max outer diameter. Good stuff! I now use an average of inner diameter and outer diameter to give a better incorrect answer lol.
Exactly, for that Steez example, that "91m casting" was in fact 68m by my wheel measurement, a 33% boost from reality lol and that amount of line out does not equal to effective distance of casting, and that accurate effective distance of casting should only be measured on ground.
@@BassniperEng yep you are correct. I always disliked seeing UA-camrs “measure” their casting distance using the manufacturer stated IPT values as they are basically the maximum IPT value a reel could ever experience. I think the video I put out on this subject was something very similar to yours haha “are manufactured lying to us” or something along those lines. I think IPT is stated in the specs to give an idea of a rate of retrieval and really shouldn’t be used to calculate distances. However, if you can get a closer approximation it can still be a useful tool to give you a better approximation of the distance. That’s why I just average the inner and outer diameter of the spool now and call it a day. In bfs applications we only tend to use around 50m of line to fill our spools and so this approximation is usually underreporting the actual distance cast but I’d rather under report a distance value than over report. I’ve also started using the spool of lines diameter to measure out how much line i am spooling. The diameter on a spool of line changes much less than a reels spool diameter so it’s easier to use. The downside is no gear ratio so for 50m of line I’m often stuck counting out around 220-240 rotations of the spool of line lol 😆. Anyways, awesome to see that I am not the only one who picked up on this. Cheers my friend!
Counting line spool is a clever way. In the vid I posted on my other channel couple years ago on this subject, I built a table for easy conversion of line weight to length for FC and mono with different lb test. Shimano has something similar on their Japanese website. The line packing rate (%volume on spool) was the key. For distance estimation on the water, the thing that can throw a wrench in the accuracy is the water depth. I can cast into a 30 ft hole unknowingly with a 1/2 oz dropshot weight, and while I am tightening the slack, the weight is sinking to the bottom aka tightening from the other end, the measurement thus will be biased, usually over reported. But hey, fishing is for fun lol I think I am being too nerdy here. Tight lines buddy 🐟
@@BassniperEng hey haha I don’t see anything wrong with nerding out 😆 especially when it helps to understand what is actually going on. Your method of using volume to calculate distance is a good idea and I had thought about that for braid as well but I think as you mentioned there are too many variables that can’t be accounted for such as moisture content adding weight/volume, air gaps(and tightening to remove them etc), as well as inconsistencies in manufacture reported diameters for line. At the end of the day, I just get lazy and use the best wrong answer to fit the need lol. 😅 ps I sent you a message on Instagram! Cheers my friend!
Thanks for sharing !!!
I am casting beyond the Horizon everytime on my local lake.😎👌 A 12ft/3.5 lbs rod with a 4oz torpedolead for every carpangler, in Camo colors ofcourse or else the fish will be spooked 😅🎣.
Great info, good reminder. 😊 This is really useful 🎉
Reminds me of the type of fishing back in home, we use what we call "bomb rig", a big metal spring in the middle and 6 hooks around it, flour/corn based bait ball around the spring and cast with 12 ft gigantic rods lol Tight lines!
What is your other Channel?
Just ordered the 24 Steez and i am very interrested in your rewiev. Thank you for good content 👍
Here is the filed test of the 24 Steez: ua-cam.com/video/y7pf91Tolwg/v-deo.htmlsi=CM0lUr6mWmupzrBv This one is oriented at practical test, and is not a serious distance test. I did the on-land casting/measurements and compared against 21 Zillion, 20 Tatula and 24 Tatula, hasn't got a chance to edit. Overall there is some noticeable improvement as far as effortless goes. I was able to cast 1/8 oz jighead no problem with a rod that does not even load too well.
@@BassniperEng Great Thank you 🤩 I will subscribe 👍🤩
the biggest difference for me is that i could easily cast 1/8 and on the old steez i could not, without reducing the breaks to near backlash level
Make sense really...that what i always think about gear ratios also...but were very detailed my friend...thanks very informative...you just like reading an authors book about the real thing 👍🏻👍🏻
Great! Big thanx! 👌😍🙌
Interesting and well produced video. You ever fish saltwater in San Diego?
My Lexa hd 300 and 400tw come with me almost every trip out. Pretty neat reels.
Yes! You from there? When I was there I did a lot of jetty fishing using Japanese ISO style (floater + 17 ft long rod) for the zebra perch, opaleyes, Sargo halfmoon and calicos, and yellow fin tuna trips too. Love the place. Freshwater was so pressured though.
@@BassniperEng yes I am and yes the freshwater is insane. The crappie are getting hammered right now.
I've never tried iso fishing but would use my surf gear for the same species off the jetty's or the beach. Bay fishing is very fun with 200sized bait casters but more people are getting into the micro style of fishing. Toying with the idea of getting a bfs reel.
You say, if you fill the reel full, you get a faster retrieve with any given gear ratio. However, in your last vid on spool inertia, it was pointed out that a full spool increases initial inertia. What is a person to think?
Full spool increases inertia, but enables the bait to pull the spool with better torque, plus filling the spool with "lighter line" can achieve less inertia while maintaining the torque. Overall, if using fluorocarbon line, we need to use "lighter line" such as mono or braided as backing to reduce inertia, and fill it to full using fluorocarbon. In reality the torque and inertia are not the only factors affect casting. Friction (from brake, from guide, from air) is a huge factor. To illustrate this impact, I will demonstrate with casting experiments in future videos. For the retrieve part, it impacts lure presentation and fish fighting more. There needs to be a balance point to strike, one needs to decide based on actual fishing scenario, casting is not everything. Sometimes to fighting the fish will override casting (i.e. throwing a frog in lily pads I will always fill the spool full with 40-65lb braid to achieve the highest IPT to pull fish out of pads).
☝🏼🔥🔥🔥
Under filling a spool reduces the rotational inertia, but at the same time it reduces the amount of line-out per turn because of the lower diameter. Would this hurt or help with casting lighter lures?
If friction did not ever exist in the real world, it would all be easily explained. But...ah friction (line, brake, air), hence so much for the math equation and paper physics. I will explain this in future videos by testing. Stay tuned.
@BassniperEng looking forward to it!
may the force be with you～
Need some advice please 'Guru". I have the following Shimano Conquest reels. Conquest BSF-HG/ 23 MD30 Shallow spool/ 24 Conquest BFX XG 8.9 SE30HG. I want the deeper spools for more and stronger (20/25lb Braid)...can you advise spool identification?.
Can you assist?😁
Are you saying you are looking for a deeper spool to match the Conquest BFS? Or to match the 24 Conquest SE? How much of 20-25lb braided line are you looking to put on? I'd check Hedgehog Studio (Japanese upgrade parts specialty store), they usually have whatever you could imagine. Let me know if you want me to take a look at specific models.
Wow I didn't know that! 😂 Naughty Naughty Daiwa.
My guess is that the 10 lb line got more line length...
Which makes the better backing, braid or mono, or does it make much difference?
Mono
Using backing is mainly to reduce spool weight, in this sense braid and mono are similar in density (i.e. putting same volume, similar weight), so either is fine. However I prefer mono, since it's easier to put on spool and never slips like braid does on certain spools sometimes.
Nylon.
Jerry哥的英语频道哦，coooooooool
歡迎來聽蹩腳英語講釣魚哈哈
The choice is 24STEEZ VS 24CONQUEST ??
To me they are quite different from each other. I don't like the round reels for jigs Texas jerk baits etc aka the lures require a lot rod action. Low profile in my hand feels more versatile. For long casting purposes I have yet to test the Conquest SE but based on the performance of 21 Conquest 100, it would only be better.
First!!!
20:54 Correct . If you're ever in the Northern Michigan Petoskey area let me know - I'll learn more physics , and if you want can talk Neuropsychiatry as well 😊.Now I await my Madness Balams😂!
LOL I used to fish Norther Michigan in the Indian River region. Beautiful scene with gigantic fish!!
Will do.
@@BassniperEng I caught 4 , four small mouths Bass All around 20-21 inches in Crooked Lake in the past year . 2 were top water WPloppers 130 , 1 on MB Gorham and one on the Jackall gantia btw