I’ve watched pretty much every single Classic Wow “Class Picking Guide” on UA-cam, and this is by far the best. You made everything clearly structured and to the point, yet I don’t think you missed a single detail of what makes each class unique, especially from a play-style perspective. Top marks, Meta Goblin!
Tbh there is a lot of misinformation and lack of important information here. It's not a bad guide but definitely not a great one either. If you think this is good, go watch madseasonshow class picking guide for classic, or Willie's "was it any good" series.
I don’t see why they won’t add dual spec and some other class changes to make them more than meme speccs. We already had the faithful recreation in wow classic. They should make this one a little different
As someone who raided in vanilla as a shadow priest, I completely agree. My first toon was an enhancement shaman in vanilla. I was told by everyone I had to heal endgame. So I rolled a spriest alt and was always mid to bottom of the raid dps, especially as raiding progressed. I'm loving TBC classic rn, because I'm reliving the glory days of being in the top 4-5 dps while getting doted over for mana return. If this video has taught me anything, it's that I need to lvl a rogue.
Its more about gold sink then any other reason. There are not many ways to get some gold out of the economy after ur mounts. So gold becomes useless at end game and if people don't need gold then they won't farm and won't keep items listed on AH for that gold.
@@masturone8257 I think they should nerf the cost a lot people don’t respec because it’s 50g. If it was like 10g I think it would be an even greater gold sink more people would be respecting and probably end up spending more gold than if it were 50g.
As someone who always loved and defended Rets of the early days, I have to warn anyone considering it now. I thought with so much new information, that the Ret would experience a renaissance and be a viable DPS, and while understanding of it did increase which drastically shot up its DPS, the same happened with every other class, but much more extreme. I looked at raiding logs when everyone was raiding Naxx as current content, and looked at the DPS logs for each class on each boss to get a sense of how much DPS they could do on average at the very end game. The results were Ret being the 2nd lowest DPS in the game, with only Shadow Priests being below them. Even though the highest DPS I had ever heard of a Paladin doing between vanilla and classic jumped from around 800 DPS to 1600 DPS, the max DPS for ANY class I had heard of jumped from 1000 DPS to 4000-6000 DPS. Even Feral Druids and I think both Shaman DPS specs outperformed it; the math just isn't there for them to succeed. Though they CAN definitely level way more efficiently than everyone seems to think. Stacking Spirit is the #1 way to make leveling a breeze. If you get Stength/Spirit on every single piece of gear, use Retribution Aura (With Improved Ret Aura talent), Blessing of Wisdom, and then spend all your mana in chunks (Seal about to expire? Hammer of Justice -> Judgement -> Reapply Seal) to keep yourself in the 5 second mana regen window, you can destroy most anything. That's what I did in Classic and I literally didn't buy a single bit of food or water from 1-60 and never really had to wait around for downtime.
@@jacobgarcia9175 in AV every class is fun if you have atleast a few people with you since you have literally no range capabilities. In WSG, its alittle different. Once the initially charge is over with and everyone is fighting it becomes easier to initiate as a melee. If you go up against a counter class in full bis then it won’t be fun but everyone is if they are at your gear level is okay depending on who has cd’s. Finding friends to play with or just some server peeps to queue with always makes it more enjoyable
The thing you dont consider is having several rets in raid that are stacking different rank of SotC which actually will buff holy dmg by insane amount. However seems like noone actually knows about it. Did not see anyone even tested it.
@@slavamukhin4140 SoW would take prio for mana regen for the casters in the raid over adding more dmg to rets. Rets can only do so much damage compared to other classes.
The two classes that are in a new place are the Shadow Priest and the Afflict Warlock. Afflict will be much more effective against high health mobs. The Dots just flow... I am still wondering about the CoE versus CoS. As to the Shadow priest they really do pump out a lot of healing as well as their damage. Longer fights will make this much easier on the healer and health is just mana to Locks. I don't know if all this will matter, but they seem to be the most improved with the loss of the debuff cap. Raid composition will matter, but I see all Locks on the rise and Shadow priests needing a slot in any raid.
Shadows oom without the world buffs. And locks lose out on 20% spell crit which hurts their dps. You wouldn’t go spriest without there being enough warlocks to make it worth. You’d see them in earlier tiers but it’s more likely that the meta doubles down on warriors. The highest raiders which split raid for extra gear chances since there is 8-9 resets between tiers which isn’t a lot of chances for gear
@@blackyvertigo crits were regarding shadow not aff. The debuff limit hasnt made aff stronger than ruin/sac build. Warlocks also do not scale as well as ignite fire mages as the phases progress. Mages are also now required (at least 4-5 min) for the decursing in the new boss encounters. Mages may have less sustain than warlocks but you only really need 2-3 warlocks for banishing. You wouldnt stack spriests and warlocks for clearing. A ranged focused comp is the play but needs to be balanced for the encounters and you dont remove all your melees.
@@Wellshem yeah, I agree. but I can see you bringing support roles like Spriest, boomkin for Improved Faerie Fire 3% is huge for melee, not to mention the crit buff for fire mages. also survival hunter might be meta too
everyone is top tier! so every player can be happy! (and people don't feel somehow attacked when their "favourite" class is not listed in top tier [don't ask me how a person gets personally attacked when their "favourite" class is not on the list])
No class balancing or even gear stat balancing(like giving spell gear + to both healing and damage instead of just one like in TBC). I prob wont be touching this then.
Blizzard is just fucking lazy at this point. They could just adapt their talents and items from TBC to SoM and hybrid classes could at least be played. But no...
With warrior the execute phase is longer sure. But rogues are on par already and they get deadly poison and rupture in raids now. So they might win this time.
Hybrids are gonna get screwed I think, because raids are harder but they aren't doing any class balances. So Druids, paladins and shaman (and Priests to a lesser extent) are still going to be forced into healing, and now the fights will be harder.
My kids watch bluey and now use Aussie phrases. What exactly does the following mean.. Cheeky Dunny Fair dinkum Hammerbarn Chockers Please help this American out
Probably worth mentioning flask sets for warriors. No area of content doesnt get effected by it lol leveling, end game raiding, even pvp a good warrior gets huge impact with flask sets
I don't know what to level. I've gotten mage, warlock, and, hunter up to 10 just to see what I like but I have no idea if I like them enough to play. I'm not sure what class to play
I think Hunters and Druids will be good options. Top tier levelers. And! They are two classes that will suffer the least from loot scarcity in seasons. Melee classes will be fighting tooth and nail for weapons and trinkets. Mages and Warlocks will be fighting over quite a few pieces as well. There's usually a lot of Mages, and in my experience they tend to get loot prio over Warlocks
my experience leveling ret usually came down to speccing into holy just enough to get imp bow, then respeccing full ret when I learn sow. keeping bow and sow active allows you to take on enemies with your auto attack while keeping your mana mostly full, topping off with FOL (which I usually carry an stat stick with healing buffs for), and not needing to stop and drink much.
It seems that some players are simply clueless so i am going to explain this properly: The warlock will be most likely the best PvE DPS class simply because it will be able to spam DOTs with better hit chance since there are talents for +hit at the affliction talent tree while also using flask +life tap ( bandage ) if needed for more mana. The warlock will also not rely heavily on world buffs nor weapons unlike warriors/rogues to deal damage. The warlock will actually get stronger because of more debuff slots and better +hit chance on spells while the physical dps classes and especially rogues+warriors will become weaker after losing up to 30% damage from world buffs and having to deal with extra boss mechanics.
Funny to call people clueless when you come up with such garbage :D Even at 0% extra hit it has been theorycrafted and tested millions of times that Shadowbolt is simply more dps than spending a GCD on DoT. The only reason why DoTs are gonna be good is that you buy yourself some GCDs before you start spaming Shadowbolts forever, which makes threat a lesser issue. If Locks try to put and keep up DoTs after that, they will definetly lose dps. Also it is a fact that Warriors and Rogues remain top tier even without world buffs, the gap will just be a little smaller. Although potentially longer fights will hurt mana users more than melee for very obvious reasons. Next time you call people clueless, try to not just pull anything out of your ass but look at some facts beforehand. There are logs and spreadsheets out there, use them. Thanks
As a ele shaman guy id debate ele is busted af at leveling,dungeons, and pvp. Just make sure you have a mage buddy to give you non stop water. Water legit becomes your rotation. You will top charts aslong as everything dies somewhat fast. In which most cases it does. The burst is the funnest thing i think in classic. Its comical.
I was hoping they'd do something about the meme specs, as they have to make them viable to utilize some of the debuffs they can get from said talent tree. A rework is desperately needed to help Season of Mastery in my opinion.
@@blackyvertigo yeah locks are the only class that could benefit alot from the debuff limit rework. Meme specs on the other hand need way more changes to be viable sadly.
@@Brince85 what everybody forgets about those locks is that all the other already strong classes also get slots. Rogues can finally use good poisons, Warriors can go deep wounds etc. All in all, it wont mean much to lock to be able to dot in the bigger picture and theyll remain in mid table dps
Unfortunately the biggest counter to Druid is rank1 frost bolt spam. Can’t get on top of the mage then, the moment you get out of cat or bear to starfire, mage preps sheep, back into form, rinse repeat.
@@huntedbymoonlight2513 You never use starfire in pvp, and wrath is faster than poly. And if a mage ever does sheep you it's a free heal because you can break it whenever you want.
@@huntedbymoonlight2513 Pyro still has a cast time, and you can go into bear form while polyed, and even charge the mage for an interrupt. Mages are super easy targets as feral.
Have a quick question and anyone can chime in! With the no debuff limit will some classes become viable? Like warlocks or maybe spriest? Any input is great! Thanks :)
there's not much interest for me to play again. If there was some major changes I would but other than doing some of the starter zones when the server launches that will be the only bit I play. I dunno about anyone else but there's something really fun about leveling in the starter zones when there's players everywhere. I find that super enjoyable. But other than that I do think season of mastery is cool but there's not enough that is holding my interest. If they ever did a season where there's new gear and maybe new tier sets for different talent trees, taht would interest me.
For Hunters, the roughs are the easiest class to beat. You have both flare and hunter mark to fight invisibility, ton of traps, disange and stun both in mele and range and on pet.
@@aotearoaaudio a lot of mobs will not be able to be snared in dungeons and if you are much higher level than the people in the group you get significantly less xp.
Overall good video imo, but just got a couple of coments. woud add a reckoning paladin to the short list of 1v1's being hard to win for rogues. played it in classic, and i dont think i ever died to a rogue 1v1, but they are easily killed. my second thing, is to your point about the prediction that warriors will be better dps due to execute face being longer. i have heard this alot, and every time i think to my self... well. anyway this doesn't make any sense since, yes the execute face is longer, but the rest of the fight will also be longer since it's procentage based. and with dps counting thru the whole of the fight, the execute face will just put the dps higher up than before while the rest of the fight equally will get the dps down. there will be no change to that from classic to new classic.
Man leveling a paladin is the most annoying thing I ever made, how is paladin ''mid tier'' leveling and warrior low tier, paladin leveling is boring as fuck, at least with warrior you have abilitys to press lol
I like not changing the classes. Keep much of that spirit intact. I'm not complaining about Warriors, Rogues etc...They are simply more badass and deserve high position.
Why isn't there tbc prepatch talents....Meme specs would be more viable ench/ele sham,boomkin,spriest,ret paladin, arms warrior. Nobody wants to stack rogues/warriors and mages again....even with the small changes being implemented.
@@vaynepref I think you misunderstand. Prepatch was 11 days. No one got to experience what it was like. Prepatch improved on classes across the board. No one loses out because of prepatch. Having an entire year of classic but with prepatch would be hilariously fun. Not even original prepatch was that long. There’s nothing wrong with suggesting a direct improvement to the game experience. Those that want pserver style are back to pservers again. Because they don’t play tbc pservers. They play classic. This won’t be classic. They’ve already admitted it. If you want classic style go to current classic servers then…
@@vaynepref prepatch, I want prepatch. Tbc is tbc. Id want full patch progression for classic as well as tbc. But if I had to choose I’d want permanent prepatch which is significantly different than tbc.
You were kind of stuck to healing touch until until 8/8 t2 and t3 bonuses. But they got waaay better when they reworked HOTS not pushing off world buffs
You can avoid resto until 60 and be a competent healer with just int/spirit gear healing dungeons whenever you aren’t open world grinding. Doing dungeons is never a problem so long as you just add 2 macros for downranked HT for mana management. You have the single highest heal in the game on horde while leveling. Desperate prayer is the alliance’s stronger heal but for horde HT is the highest. It’s a long cast time to get used to because the rarely increases so you are usually looking at around a 3s cast even if you downrank. Once the tiers get flowing you’ll be able to swap out of HT spam into Regrowth if you choose. Otherwise if you become the dedicated tank healer, you actually go all points resto for rejuv talents which your job becomes maintaining on tank and then innervate whoever is the main priest healer or shaman if you RL or officer is whichever.
You will play a warrior , rogue or a healer. SoM is meta heavy with all the boss changes so there will be abolutely, remotely no reason to take any other class.
Not everyone plays for raids. I usually quit before even doing molten core. There is a lot of game before you get to endgame and tons of dungeons out there
not following much on classic but they remove world buffs no? then warrior might be going from god tier to mid tier. i mean world buffs gives way too much to warriors
Warriors were best DPS without wbuffs and they will still be, with longer fights you get longer execute phase and other dps going oom. They will still be the kings
I'm playing with a group so I'll be leveling as prot warrior mostly, having a holy paladin with me. But as soon as I'm 60 instantly going fury as it's the one I wanna do
Since the melee lost their world buffs and the casters will have flasks on top of having the debuffs increased on bosses then we already know the winner for raids ( warlocks might be the best due to the prolonged fights and life tap ).
played both warlock and warrior on beta this week. warriors and rogues always toping the meters. locks starting decently if they get some lucky crits but in case they need to tap they are losing gcds so they are going to the bottom spots fast.
@@kalogria13 You are clueless. The warlock does not need to get lucky with crits because it will keep DOTs up and those are also affliction based so the warlock will no longer suffer from +hit penalty since there are talents with +hit for affliction spells. The warlock will also get so much stronger past MC where the mobs are immune to fire ( immolation ). If you were spaming shadowbolt when the debuff limit on bosses was increased significantly then i have nothing else to say.
Not sure who this video is tailored for .. because nothing has changed ... at all for any class. World Buffs just pushed already high tier classes to be more insane ... so I don't see why explaining this again is of any benefit. To the small subset of players that are going to be new sure .. but these videos already exist for the launch of the previous vanilla classic server. If Blizzard doesn't make any further class balance tuning, I don't see why old players (even I who first played WoW in the Vanilla servers) are going to return.
In hindsight, warriors have the worst solo gold farming experience. They rely so heavily on support that you get outcompeted in the world and aside from tanking services there aren't many niche gold practices.
Since Blizzard is too fucking lazy to adjust talents or items there will be absolutely no reason to go for hybrid classes. Warrior, Rogue, Priest, Mage and Warlock will be the only classes to go if you wan't to be even slightly competitive.
The 763 people who are playing g wow fresh appreciate the video. Even though they have 5, 60s 2 ,70s. And a dozen half played characters. Who is this fresh mastery shit for?
I am not playing at the moment but i appreciate this video. The number of people that playing in a post - phase 6 realm is irrelevant as the game ends after naxx is done. The exact number of players that will be interested for season of mastery will be defined on launch day. Pretty safe to assume that few hundred thousands of players will participate in SoM. Enough to turn 5-10 servers per region to full pop. Quote me if im wrong after launch.
I've never played WOW ever and I'm really thinking about starting only problem is o don't have any friends who wanna play sadly lol.. But ima still try it out all my friends played in high school when the game came out but don't play no more.
Anyone knows if it's possible to transfer a lvl 60 classic toon to a new classic fresh server? Last time played it before tbc launch and I haven't chosen its expansion world yet.
@@henrikh3089 fuck... damn. Thanks for the info. Less likely to have the time and patience to start over again. I was hoping to have it so I could start raiding in phase1. And have they been released on when is that planned?
Currently on the beta the bumped exp quest completion bonus from +25% to +40%. It’s a net gain for everyone. You will be faster than original classic launch but slower than tbc prepatch / tbc. With the influx of people playing so long as you pick a hybrid or healer you’ll find groups for dungeons and be able to avoid a lot of open world farming
Also the assumed release is late nov but unknown if it’s accurate or not for now. My assumption is that if they want to make any big raid changes (other than numerical) we won’t see a November release since we can’t go to 60 on the beta yet, 45 just got unlocked.
that's the reason why classic is dead and also other new versions of classic will be dead. This is the reason why it's not that much fun as it was back than i 2005. because the people forgot the have fun, today it is just important to make fast progress and being better than everybody else. 2005 it was about fun and having good times with friends.
I do think warrior and rogue are going to change though. Because of world buffs. That could shift things quite a bit. But big picture, I have no idea why blizz is doing this. It’s just classic “hard mode”. Seems overal kinda pointless and just going from spread out the player base even more. Servers are already dying on tbc. But you think blizz will merge low pop servers 😂😂 not with a 25$ transfer available. They could have done soooo much more with classic fresh. They could have made this a wow 2.0. Balance and fix classes Fix add talent trees Massive quality of like changed (There is too many to list)
It's looking like everyone's going alliance this time around, so I'mma lvl an enh shaman, do some ganking, maybe hit 60 and gank with pre-bis, then quit. Raids are gonna be terrible to be worth doing.
I’ve watched pretty much every single Classic Wow “Class Picking Guide” on UA-cam, and this is by far the best. You made everything clearly structured and to the point, yet I don’t think you missed a single detail of what makes each class unique, especially from a play-style perspective. Top marks, Meta Goblin!
Tbh there is a lot of misinformation and lack of important information here. It's not a bad guide but definitely not a great one either. If you think this is good, go watch madseasonshow class picking guide for classic, or Willie's "was it any good" series.
@@DontHearNoEvil I have watched those! Still stand by what I said
@@PancakeJake hmm.. very interesting take then. To each their own I guess. Cheers mate
So which class will it be?
@@mattifreshfan9111 I was a warlock main for Classic and TBC, but I’m thinking I’m gonna go Rogue for Season of Mastery
You should have added that Shaman's have purge and Priest's dispel magic as offensive dispels are invaluable in PvP.
I don’t see why they won’t add dual spec and some other class changes to make them more than meme speccs. We already had the faithful recreation in wow classic. They should make this one a little different
You are correct
As someone who raided in vanilla as a shadow priest, I completely agree. My first toon was an enhancement shaman in vanilla. I was told by everyone I had to heal endgame. So I rolled a spriest alt and was always mid to bottom of the raid dps, especially as raiding progressed. I'm loving TBC classic rn, because I'm reliving the glory days of being in the top 4-5 dps while getting doted over for mana return. If this video has taught me anything, it's that I need to lvl a rogue.
They are going to do that stuff in the following seasons for sure. This is just an introduction
Its more about gold sink then any other reason. There are not many ways to get some gold out of the economy after ur mounts. So gold becomes useless at end game and if people don't need gold then they won't farm and won't keep items listed on AH for that gold.
@@masturone8257 I think they should nerf the cost a lot people don’t respec because it’s 50g. If it was like 10g I think it would be an even greater gold sink more people would be respecting and probably end up spending more gold than if it were 50g.
That _Fable_ music hits different when you're not expecting it! 🥳🥳🥳
As someone who always loved and defended Rets of the early days, I have to warn anyone considering it now. I thought with so much new information, that the Ret would experience a renaissance and be a viable DPS, and while understanding of it did increase which drastically shot up its DPS, the same happened with every other class, but much more extreme.
I looked at raiding logs when everyone was raiding Naxx as current content, and looked at the DPS logs for each class on each boss to get a sense of how much DPS they could do on average at the very end game. The results were Ret being the 2nd lowest DPS in the game, with only Shadow Priests being below them.
Even though the highest DPS I had ever heard of a Paladin doing between vanilla and classic jumped from around 800 DPS to 1600 DPS, the max DPS for ANY class I had heard of jumped from 1000 DPS to 4000-6000 DPS. Even Feral Druids and I think both Shaman DPS specs outperformed it; the math just isn't there for them to succeed.
Though they CAN definitely level way more efficiently than everyone seems to think.
Stacking Spirit is the #1 way to make leveling a breeze. If you get Stength/Spirit on every single piece of gear, use Retribution Aura (With Improved Ret Aura talent), Blessing of Wisdom, and then spend all your mana in chunks (Seal about to expire? Hammer of Justice -> Judgement -> Reapply Seal) to keep yourself in the 5 second mana regen window, you can destroy most anything.
That's what I did in Classic and I literally didn't buy a single bit of food or water from 1-60 and never really had to wait around for downtime.
Was ret pvp still fun though? Not really a raider
@@jacobgarcia9175 in AV every class is fun if you have atleast a few people with you since you have literally no range capabilities. In WSG, its alittle different. Once the initially charge is over with and everyone is fighting it becomes easier to initiate as a melee. If you go up against a counter class in full bis then it won’t be fun but everyone is if they are at your gear level is okay depending on who has cd’s. Finding friends to play with or just some server peeps to queue with always makes it more enjoyable
I wanna play ret but if theres no changes to the class I cant imagine me going through that again.
The thing you dont consider is having several rets in raid that are stacking different rank of SotC which actually will buff holy dmg by insane amount. However seems like noone actually knows about it. Did not see anyone even tested it.
@@slavamukhin4140 SoW would take prio for mana regen for the casters in the raid over adding more dmg to rets. Rets can only do so much damage compared to other classes.
The two classes that are in a new place are the Shadow Priest and the Afflict Warlock. Afflict will be much more effective against high health mobs. The Dots just flow... I am still wondering about the CoE versus CoS. As to the Shadow priest they really do pump out a lot of healing as well as their damage. Longer fights will make this much easier on the healer and health is just mana to Locks.
I don't know if all this will matter, but they seem to be the most improved with the loss of the debuff cap.
Raid composition will matter, but I see all Locks on the rise and Shadow priests needing a slot in any raid.
Won't shadow priests just go oom?
Shadows oom without the world buffs. And locks lose out on 20% spell crit which hurts their dps. You wouldn’t go spriest without there being enough warlocks to make it worth. You’d see them in earlier tiers but it’s more likely that the meta doubles down on warriors. The highest raiders which split raid for extra gear chances since there is 8-9 resets between tiers which isn’t a lot of chances for gear
@@blackyvertigo crits were regarding shadow not aff. The debuff limit hasnt made aff stronger than ruin/sac build. Warlocks also do not scale as well as ignite fire mages as the phases progress. Mages are also now required (at least 4-5 min) for the decursing in the new boss encounters. Mages may have less sustain than warlocks but you only really need 2-3 warlocks for banishing. You wouldnt stack spriests and warlocks for clearing. A ranged focused comp is the play but needs to be balanced for the encounters and you dont remove all your melees.
lowkey Priest leveling is incredibly efficient as disc shadow.
Came to say this, they are 100% top tier leveling. Only beaten by hunters, and maybe locks/mages
I'm trying to convince myself to roll something other than warrior - of course you end the video with them. I"M BACK IN BABY!
I wish we would be getting tbc talent trees. this alone would change what you'd bring to a raid
Mage, rogue, warrior: NO CHANGE !
@@Wellshem yeah, I agree. but I can see you bringing support roles like Spriest, boomkin for Improved Faerie Fire 3% is huge for melee, not to mention the crit buff for fire mages. also survival hunter might be meta too
i wish i could play shadow priest on classic with the tbc talent tree ...
Nothing has changed. Warrior, mages, rogues will still be the best
Things have changes, there is not that much interest in classic fresh. This fresh classic will be more like World of Botcraft.
@@RevanLT it's sad blizz found a way to ruin classic...
Yes Memespecs will be worse then before xD
Nothing!???? What about the fruit bowls. Respect Wamens, don't be rude.
@@lewis3341 i was around "black lotus" never picked a single one. Bots, faster then blinking.
The title "top tier" for pvp really loses its meaning when basically every class has it
@@Mexican00b There is a reason I added the word "basically"
Things is, a lot of people don't play midtier even if every class are midtier lol
6x Top tiers, 2x GOD tiers and 1x mid tier :----D
everyone is top tier! so every player can be happy! (and people don't feel somehow attacked when their "favourite" class is not listed in top tier [don't ask me how a person gets personally attacked when their "favourite" class is not on the list])
A wow video with oblivion music in the background. Man I love this channel.
I think its fable music
@@A16-i6d fable and oblivion music
No class balancing or even gear stat balancing(like giving spell gear + to both healing and damage instead of just one like in TBC). I prob wont be touching this then.
I'm with you. A little TBC flair would be very healthy for vanilla. Least we know we're getting seasons. I expect greatness later on.
@Ambander Lmfao. TBC most certainly does some things better than vanilla.
My sentiments exactly. I will not be playing with no class adjustments
Blizzard is just fucking lazy at this point. They could just adapt their talents and items from TBC to SoM and hybrid classes could at least be played. But no...
@Ambander read comments and u will know ure wrong, people want class diversity.
I'm amazed by warriors getting under 4 days /played time when it took me 9 on my mage and 11 months and 2 weeks in real time to level on SoM.
With warrior the execute phase is longer sure. But rogues are on par already and they get deadly poison and rupture in raids now. So they might win this time.
Lol no
How do I ever decide when he makes every class sound so good XD I’m torn between Druid and Pally
Play a Druid...
DRUID NOW!!!!
@@Kai_pies how come?
@@GROC1101 warlocks are more mana efficient but hunters seem more fun.
@@Kai_pies the question was about druids? Lol
Hybrids are gonna get screwed I think, because raids are harder but they aren't doing any class balances. So Druids, paladins and shaman (and Priests to a lesser extent) are still going to be forced into healing, and now the fights will be harder.
So it's the same content all-over again? No class rebalance at least? That sucks
Im actually pretty hyped for SOM, ill be rolling warrior even without the world buffs they are so fun, human of course, engineering and bs
I don’t really plan on playing but I still like videos like this that are informative.
Love the fable song at the beginning
Sometimes I can’t help but wonder if Metagoblin knows what cheeky means
Thats a pretty cheeky comment
A little tongue and cheek I see
People use it differently in the UK to the US. For example let's go down to the pub for a couple of cheeky pints 👌
@@MetaGoblin honestly it's my favorite part of these vids. I wait and listen for the cheeky
My kids watch bluey and now use Aussie phrases. What exactly does the following mean..
Cheeky
Dunny
Fair dinkum
Hammerbarn
Chockers
Please help this American out
I know it's not a repost technically, but it feels like one.
Probably worth mentioning flask sets for warriors. No area of content doesnt get effected by it lol leveling, end game raiding, even pvp a good warrior gets huge impact with flask sets
Not that worth to mention as it got fixed
@@chocrikir655 Yeah I heard that. Out of everything thats what they notice and change lol
I don't know what to level. I've gotten mage, warlock, and, hunter up to 10 just to see what I like but I have no idea if I like them enough to play. I'm not sure what class to play
I ended up picking black mage. Great class design and top tier dps.
I think Hunters and Druids will be good options. Top tier levelers. And! They are two classes that will suffer the least from loot scarcity in seasons.
Melee classes will be fighting tooth and nail for weapons and trinkets.
Mages and Warlocks will be fighting over quite a few pieces as well. There's usually a lot of Mages, and in my experience they tend to get loot prio over Warlocks
Druids compete with cloths for gear for raiding. And hunters compete with rogues and some warrior pieces
my experience leveling ret usually came down to speccing into holy just enough to get imp bow, then respeccing full ret when I learn sow. keeping bow and sow active allows you to take on enemies with your auto attack while keeping your mana mostly full, topping off with FOL (which I usually carry an stat stick with healing buffs for), and not needing to stop and drink much.
I always wonder what class to play and pick pally everytime because that is my favorite class. I am thinking druid and pally for my toons
Great overview of the classes.
It seems that some players are simply clueless so i am going to explain this properly: The warlock will be most likely the best PvE DPS class simply because it will be able to spam DOTs with better hit chance since there are talents for +hit at the affliction talent tree while also using flask +life tap ( bandage ) if needed for more mana. The warlock will also not rely heavily on world buffs nor weapons unlike warriors/rogues to deal damage. The warlock will actually get stronger because of more debuff slots and better +hit chance on spells while the physical dps classes and especially rogues+warriors will become weaker after losing up to 30% damage from world buffs and having to deal with extra boss mechanics.
You’re greatly over-valuing the damage lock dots do.
Funny to call people clueless when you come up with such garbage :D Even at 0% extra hit it has been theorycrafted and tested millions of times that Shadowbolt is simply more dps than spending a GCD on DoT. The only reason why DoTs are gonna be good is that you buy yourself some GCDs before you start spaming Shadowbolts forever, which makes threat a lesser issue. If Locks try to put and keep up DoTs after that, they will definetly lose dps. Also it is a fact that Warriors and Rogues remain top tier even without world buffs, the gap will just be a little smaller. Although potentially longer fights will hurt mana users more than melee for very obvious reasons.
Next time you call people clueless, try to not just pull anything out of your ass but look at some facts beforehand. There are logs and spreadsheets out there, use them. Thanks
As a ele shaman guy id debate ele is busted af at leveling,dungeons, and pvp. Just make sure you have a mage buddy to give you non stop water. Water legit becomes your rotation. You will top charts aslong as everything dies somewhat fast. In which most cases it does. The burst is the funnest thing i think in classic. Its comical.
Without a class rebalance the meta will be almost the same. No amount of debuff slots will help meme specs.
I was hoping they'd do something about the meme specs, as they have to make them viable to utilize some of the debuffs they can get from said talent tree. A rework is desperately needed to help Season of Mastery in my opinion.
@@blackyvertigo yeah locks are the only class that could benefit alot from the debuff limit rework.
Meme specs on the other hand need way more changes to be viable sadly.
@@Brince85 what everybody forgets about those locks is that all the other already strong classes also get slots. Rogues can finally use good poisons, Warriors can go deep wounds etc. All in all, it wont mean much to lock to be able to dot in the bigger picture and theyll remain in mid table dps
@@Daisudori Warriors always used Deep wound in classic tbc. They dont get anything from It.
SoM is out for some time now and I'm still not sure what class to play. I really have a problem choosing :s
Perfect timing for this vid
wait on official classic servers there is no debuff cap? i thought there is one and they removed it in hardcore classic
Aaah~ that fable song
nice relaxing video, good deepth.
Warrior , mage , rogue . lF healer LF healer
Mage is over rated. I died a lot learning to AoE kite. Drinking water gets old, being OOM gets old. Solo mage is rough imo.
26:41 we were lied to... to tactics channel in description...
“...polymorph, one of the best ccs in the game”
Laughs in Druid.
Unfortunately the biggest counter to Druid is rank1 frost bolt spam. Can’t get on top of the mage then, the moment you get out of cat or bear to starfire, mage preps sheep, back into form, rinse repeat.
@@huntedbymoonlight2513 You never use starfire in pvp, and wrath is faster than poly. And if a mage ever does sheep you it's a free heal because you can break it whenever you want.
@@Bingcrens except poly into Pom pyro will kill a Druid outside of bear
@@huntedbymoonlight2513 if you can poly a druid, he is fucking trash and you deserve to win
@@huntedbymoonlight2513 Pyro still has a cast time, and you can go into bear form while polyed, and even charge the mage for an interrupt. Mages are super easy targets as feral.
Paladins make great 5 man tanks especially later on. Raids on the other hand main tanking very difficult to do effectively. I've tried lol...
30 minute video, no timestamps. Cheeky.
UA-cam won't let me use them anymore
The paladin dress problem might not be as bad because they have the set 2 tier sets.
Tripple specs in the open world , palas/shammys for both factions and no raid lockout times
Have a quick question and anyone can chime in! With the no debuff limit will some classes become viable? Like warlocks or maybe spriest? Any input is great! Thanks :)
Yes even shamans and warrior can do their thing
Not really, mana is far more of a limit on meme specs than debuffs.
there's not much interest for me to play again. If there was some major changes I would but other than doing some of the starter zones when the server launches that will be the only bit I play. I dunno about anyone else but there's something really fun about leveling in the starter zones when there's players everywhere. I find that super enjoyable. But other than that I do think season of mastery is cool but there's not enough that is holding my interest. If they ever did a season where there's new gear and maybe new tier sets for different talent trees, taht would interest me.
For Hunters, the roughs are the easiest class to beat. You have both flare and hunter mark to fight invisibility, ton of traps, disange and stun both in mele and range and on pet.
May need to update this for mage given the huge nerfs that are planned for them.. :)
what nerfs...?
@@aotearoaaudio a lot of mobs will not be able to be snared in dungeons and if you are much higher level than the people in the group you get significantly less xp.
Are you playing oblivion music in the background of a wow video because it's great music or is it just to mess with us?
Overall good video imo, but just got a couple of coments. woud add a reckoning paladin to the short list of 1v1's being hard to win for rogues. played it in classic, and i dont think i ever died to a rogue 1v1, but they are easily killed. my second thing, is to your point about the prediction that warriors will be better dps due to execute face being longer. i have heard this alot, and every time i think to my self... well. anyway this doesn't make any sense since, yes the execute face is longer, but the rest of the fight will also be longer since it's procentage based. and with dps counting thru the whole of the fight, the execute face will just put the dps higher up than before while the rest of the fight equally will get the dps down. there will be no change to that from classic to new classic.
I wish they would add that tbc mans Regen talent for ele
I've leveled several characters to lvl 20 cos I can't decide a main
Thanks!
Will the next ‘season’ be a new patch or a fresh server or both?
I am confused here. What changes the fact is still the same game? No offense metagoblin I love you content. I’m just confused
I'm so torn between pally or rogue
I thought this video title was a joke
Man leveling a paladin is the most annoying thing I ever made, how is paladin ''mid tier'' leveling and warrior low tier, paladin leveling is boring as fuck, at least with warrior you have abilitys to press lol
Today I learned that vampiric touch is in classic
Will arms warrior be viable for raiding since we won’t have to worry about debuff slots for mortal strike?
I mean fury will still be much stronger due to rage gen
Arms is just bad for raiding. If 2h is the only way for you (which is still a lot weaker than dw fury) 2h fury is still better than arms by miles
Thanks again 😗
I like not changing the classes. Keep much of that spirit intact. I'm not complaining about Warriors, Rogues etc...They are simply more badass and deserve high position.
Im torn between lock and rogue
SoM Hype !! SoM Hype !!
Why isn't there tbc prepatch talents....Meme specs would be more viable ench/ele sham,boomkin,spriest,ret paladin, arms warrior.
Nobody wants to stack rogues/warriors and mages again....even with the small changes being implemented.
Putting tbc talents and tbc leveling (+world changes) would make a classic experience incredibly unique
Just go play tbc then lol Whats the problem?
@@vaynepref I think you misunderstand. Prepatch was 11 days. No one got to experience what it was like. Prepatch improved on classes across the board. No one loses out because of prepatch. Having an entire year of classic but with prepatch would be hilariously fun. Not even original prepatch was that long. There’s nothing wrong with suggesting a direct improvement to the game experience. Those that want pserver style are back to pservers again. Because they don’t play tbc pservers. They play classic. This won’t be classic. They’ve already admitted it. If you want classic style go to current classic servers then…
@@huntedbymoonlight2513 Well if you want tbc style talents then go play tbc, literally the same thing you just said about classic lmao
@@vaynepref prepatch, I want prepatch. Tbc is tbc. Id want full patch progression for classic as well as tbc. But if I had to choose I’d want permanent prepatch which is significantly different than tbc.
So what is the install just "classic" because the tbc is different right?
It’s a classic hybrid
Installs as classic era
How was resto druid in classic? I imagine it would be frustrating getting heal sniped, but idk
Resto druids ARE the heal snipers d:
You were kind of stuck to healing touch until until 8/8 t2 and t3 bonuses. But they got waaay better when they reworked HOTS not pushing off world buffs
once you can pump 1.3s regrowths its awesome
You can avoid resto until 60 and be a competent healer with just int/spirit gear healing dungeons whenever you aren’t open world grinding. Doing dungeons is never a problem so long as you just add 2 macros for downranked HT for mana management. You have the single highest heal in the game on horde while leveling. Desperate prayer is the alliance’s stronger heal but for horde HT is the highest. It’s a long cast time to get used to because the rarely increases so you are usually looking at around a 3s cast even if you downrank. Once the tiers get flowing you’ll be able to swap out of HT spam into Regrowth if you choose. Otherwise if you become the dedicated tank healer, you actually go all points resto for rejuv talents which your job becomes maintaining on tank and then innervate whoever is the main priest healer or shaman if you RL or officer is whichever.
You will play a warrior , rogue or a healer. SoM is meta heavy with all the boss changes so there will be abolutely, remotely no reason to take any other class.
Not everyone plays for raids. I usually quit before even doing molten core. There is a lot of game before you get to endgame and tons of dungeons out there
not following much on classic but they remove world buffs no? then warrior might be going from god tier to mid tier. i mean world buffs gives way too much to warriors
Warriors were best DPS without wbuffs and they will still be, with longer fights you get longer execute phase and other dps going oom. They will still be the kings
so, what's changed?
I won’t touch this game unless they make adjustments to class balance and gear.
Warrior all the way baby
when are they released?
Oakvale - Fable ost
I'm playing with a group so I'll be leveling as prot warrior mostly, having a holy paladin with me. But as soon as I'm 60 instantly going fury as it's the one I wanna do
Levelling with prot is brutal. You can tank fine with fury or arms. Prot will make you unable to kill a mob without spending 2 minutes each mob
Thanks for the update, anything else?
Since the melee lost their world buffs and the casters will have flasks on top of having the debuffs increased on bosses then we already know the winner for raids ( warlocks might be the best due to the prolonged fights and life tap ).
Ye but long fights also make warriors strong. I think they will still be the top dogs
@@DontHearNoEvil Have fun with the glancing hits.
@@De_Nome have fun wanding when healers can't heal you up due to mana problems cuz of longer fights
played both warlock and warrior on beta this week. warriors and rogues always toping the meters. locks starting decently if they get some lucky crits but in case they need to tap they are losing gcds so they are going to the bottom spots fast.
@@kalogria13 You are clueless. The warlock does not need to get lucky with crits because it will keep DOTs up and those are also affliction based so the warlock will no longer suffer from +hit penalty since there are talents with +hit for affliction spells. The warlock will also get so much stronger past MC where the mobs are immune to fire ( immolation ). If you were spaming shadowbolt when the debuff limit on bosses was increased significantly then i have nothing else to say.
Paladín IS top tier in PvP ?
Healer that is impossible to kill
when do the new servers start and will there be german servers?
There will be 5 international EU Servers, so no specific german servers but there will be lots of german communitys on these servers
Anyone wanna plan on doing some duo leveling? I'm on the west coast and plan on rolling alliance . Let me know :)
The west coast of what
@@gertjedeballenman5174 waar gaan we spelen maat
@@helloyou807 pvp server. Dat sowieso. Servers zijn nog niet bekend toch
@@gertjedeballenman5174 ja klopt man, ben wel serieus trouwens we kunnen samen lvlen of iets ja
@@helloyou807 lijkt me goed! Enig idee wat je speeltijden zijn?
Not sure who this video is tailored for .. because nothing has changed ... at all for any class. World Buffs just pushed already high tier classes to be more insane ... so I don't see why explaining this again is of any benefit.
To the small subset of players that are going to be new sure .. but these videos already exist for the launch of the previous vanilla classic server.
If Blizzard doesn't make any further class balance tuning, I don't see why old players (even I who first played WoW in the Vanilla servers) are going to return.
Talking about Classic WoW to Fable music lol
In hindsight, warriors have the worst solo gold farming experience. They rely so heavily on support that you get outcompeted in the world and aside from tanking services there aren't many niche gold practices.
Get a healer friend and live in dme I guess
Nov 22 vanilla fresh
Where the fook is that link to your guy lvling a warr in 4 days
Since Blizzard is too fucking lazy to adjust talents or items there will be absolutely no reason to go for hybrid classes. Warrior, Rogue, Priest, Mage and Warlock will be the only classes to go if you wan't to be even slightly competitive.
Ye mage min max will be worse for harder bosses and raids won't take memes unless they're true chads
The 763 people who are playing g wow fresh appreciate the video. Even though they have 5, 60s 2 ,70s. And a dozen half played characters. Who is this fresh mastery shit for?
I am not playing at the moment but i appreciate this video. The number of people that playing in a post - phase 6 realm is irrelevant as the game ends after naxx is done. The exact number of players that will be interested for season of mastery will be defined on launch day. Pretty safe to assume that few hundred thousands of players will participate in SoM. Enough to turn 5-10 servers per region to full pop. Quote me if im wrong after launch.
I've never played WOW ever and I'm really thinking about starting only problem is o don't have any friends who wanna play sadly lol.. But ima still try it out all my friends played in high school when the game came out but don't play no more.
People should play it Hardcore
I hate the community. I wish blizz would've fixed classic in a way that allowed other specs to be better or viable.
Ost from fable i think
Anyone knows if it's possible to transfer a lvl 60 classic toon to a new classic fresh server? Last time played it before tbc launch and I haven't chosen its expansion world yet.
Not possible, its supposed to be a hard reset.
@@henrikh3089 fuck... damn. Thanks for the info. Less likely to have the time and patience to start over again. I was hoping to have it so I could start raiding in phase1. And have they been released on when is that planned?
@@g0blin11 Not sure when they plan to release it.
Currently on the beta the bumped exp quest completion bonus from +25% to +40%. It’s a net gain for everyone. You will be faster than original classic launch but slower than tbc prepatch / tbc. With the influx of people playing so long as you pick a hybrid or healer you’ll find groups for dungeons and be able to avoid a lot of open world farming
Also the assumed release is late nov but unknown if it’s accurate or not for now. My assumption is that if they want to make any big raid changes (other than numerical) we won’t see a November release since we can’t go to 60 on the beta yet, 45 just got unlocked.
that's the reason why classic is dead and also other new versions of classic will be dead. This is the reason why it's not that much fun as it was back than i 2005. because the people forgot the have fun, today it is just important to make fast progress and being better than everybody else. 2005 it was about fun and having good times with friends.
Blizzard should have added new healing items. The amount of Paladins and Shamans would double if they didn't have to wear the teal dress.
IM GOING RET
/IGNORE
/spit
I do think warrior and rogue are going to change though. Because of world buffs. That could shift things quite a bit. But big picture, I have no idea why blizz is doing this. It’s just classic “hard mode”. Seems overal kinda pointless and just going from spread out the player base even more. Servers are already dying on tbc. But you think blizz will merge low pop servers 😂😂 not with a 25$ transfer available. They could have done soooo much more with classic fresh. They could have made this a wow 2.0. Balance and fix classes
Fix add talent trees
Massive quality of like changed
(There is too many to list)
Glad they aren’t changing any classes. The tourists are big mad though.
It's looking like everyone's going alliance this time around, so I'mma lvl an enh shaman, do some ganking, maybe hit 60 and gank with pre-bis, then quit. Raids are gonna be terrible to be worth doing.
They increased the quest xp to 40%. Dead game
best change ever. btw the participation in beta is impressive. bgs insta-poping and raid groups runing 24/7. game is poping