Caps Or A Cork? Ireland 1969
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- A decision by Guinness to replace the corks used in bottled stout with metal caps is not popular in a Drogheda pub.
Corks will pop no more for bottled stout drinkers, and patrons of one Drogheda pub are up in arms as Guinness will replace corks with metal crown caps.
In the 1960s there were still publicans in Ireland who bottled Guinness from the keg on their own premises, with a hand corking machine.
Kegs of Guinness were delivered to the pub from the brewery. The stout was then bottled, and sealed using a hand corking machine. Guinness labels bearing the publican’s name and address were then pasted onto the bottles, and the bottles remained in the pub cellar for fourteen days to ‘bring on’ the stout.
This dedicated and reliable craft will soon vanish into the mists of history. Guinness maintains that corks are unhygienic, and want to have greater control over the quality of their product.
A 31 March deadline is approaching and publican Pat O’Hagan and his customers are not pleased. A petition to keep the corks where they claim they belong has been started. Pat O’Hagan believes corks are far superior to crown caps. The more exclusive sector of the drinks industry has no problem with them,
If it’s unhygienic, why do they use it in champagne, why not put a cap instead of a cork? Answer me that one?
The committed drinkers of Pat O’Hagan’s bottled Guinness will have a major dilemma on their hands. One man is not willing to change over,
I wouldn’t go into a public house unless there was a cork bottle in it.
According to one lady who is enjoying her glass of Guinness, there is a difference,
I’d sooner have a cork bottle any time...because it tastes better, tastes smoother...
Is there really a difference? One pub regular and bottled Guinness connoisseur, Mr Clinton, is brave enough to undertake a blind taste test for the camera, and correctly identifies the crown cap bottle. He describes what stood out for him,
The tin top is casky, to my palette anyhow.
How will Mr Clinton manage when crown caps are the norm? The radical idea of giving up drink altogether is being considered,
Maybe I’ll join Father Matthew.
This episode of Newsbeat was broadcast on 4 February 1969. The reporter is Colin Bird.
big big change for the country. As soon as those caps came in everything has been downhill for Ireland.
Everything is always going downhill in Ireland lol
@@npickle54 theres alot of hills...
I’d say before the 50s was a bit worse than now
Keep Ireland outta yer gab
It went downhill the moment the Vikingr swept all the gold and fisted all the women.
And there it was, Guinness switched to the crown cap and the whole of Ireland forever on joined Father Matthew in abstaining from alcohol.
Amen
So it be.
And that's why there's no alcoholics in Ireland.
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But it didn't stop you from doing nothing about children being raped by your priests huh?
Priorities.
For any who don't get the reference, Fr Matthew promoted abstinence as in no drink lol
God rest him
Thank you.
Thanks!
"Just by looking at them?" haha
Yeah that cracked me up. Not sure if he was serious or not.
@@nigefal I think he's irish
I bet he could have done it 😅
😂😂😂
Hilarious propaganda if ever I’ve seen it
Now I want a corked bottle of stout ☹️
what have we been missing all these years
added to bucket list. if i have to cork the fawker myself. :P
There is a big taste between bottled and canned beer I am sure there is with it being corked as well
Yeah you would think Guinness would still make them and just charge more as I am sure we would all like to try one now.
Why? Because some jack offs in the '60s were paid by cork manufacturers to make a short movie?
Half a century later and that man's question still stands "why do they cork champagne?"
because a cork works for centurys companys need to stop changeing what they do,havnt bought a bottle of lucazade ever since they started using plastic bottles,same like when yorkie stoped using foil inside there wrapper
@@derekdempsey8506 correct lucozade in the glass bottle with the orange wrapping was a fantastic childhood treat when you was off school
Crowns are cheaper, champagne wants to remain to appear more upper class, so they'll never do anything to remove something that now makes it special too (since everything else is crowned or screwtopped now too)
With grapes and a comic
@@derekdempsey8506 lucozade in a glas bottle was far superior no doubt
I'm willing to bet metal caps from that era don't have any plastic or paint coating on them and are just bare metal. That'll definitely screw with the taste of the stout.
Yeah he said at the end "tin tops" so probably pure tin, not very healthy.
Good point, it was new technology, and far from perfect.
@@michaelgordon3805 err “tin tops” was just a description, the metal caps were lined with cork, which you could prise out and then make them into a “badge” wrecked your pulley tho’. Gawd only knows what these fellas would have made of Draught Guinness?
I’ll take that bet, it was 1969 not 1769!
“Metal Caps” were Crown Corks were and are still in use today by home brewers all over the world, have the same effect on stout (or any other beer/drink) as any other cork product - i.e. none.
Then fukkin don´t drink it!
And his palate would be dulled by the time he reached the genuine bottle 10/10 good man
Mr. Clinton had to finish all those glasses of Guinness having taken a sip from each one. Mr. Clinton does not approve of Guinness waste.
When I have a tin top I can feel it the next morning🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 best line ever... nothing to do with the fact that stout makes you pebble dash the toilet anyway
Heartbreaking what has become of Ireland.
What has happened to Ireland??
@@judgedredd3568 they got rid of the corks!
@@ColHogan-zg2pc The Rebels won't be pleased!
@@ColHogan-zg2pc among other things
@@judgedredd3568 just a bit of Irish eccentric sarcasm.
Such beautiful bits of film these, when TV was made by film directors... each one's like a little work of art.
This interview was obviously rehearsed and merely propaganda by the brewer, to dispel ill feeling toward capped bottles. Your comment describes it, exactly. An early form of infomercial.
@@ShannonFreng Aye, but my point was that, in terms of artistry in the photography, pacing and editing they have far more to offer than the eye gouging dross todays TV studio pumps out, they have genuine crafted quality that comes across whatever the subject matter, a depth of aesthetic sense that is lost today. I make films myself so I tend to notice those things... in other words, they actually compose interesting shots even with interviews etc. instead of just relying on sensational CGI cuts etc. to carry it. I see that being very widespread in old TV programs, you'll get some reporter out in a backwater, what would be a nothing on the news today, but whoever shot it had actually made it into a little artwork, irrespective of the actual topic.
@@JesseP.Watson Aye, but since it's ostensibly intended as a news piece, it should therefore adhere to the restrictive confines of that genre. But I agree upon the rest.
@@ShannonFreng Aye, 'appen you might be right there, write in to 'em, I say, get 'em told... "Now then, about that 1969 segment on bottletops, something's been eating away at me regarding that for the past 60 year odd..." 😉
@@JesseP.Watson Ha, ha! They're most likely all dead. I've been told I'm too coldly pragmatic about such things. Where do you hail from? I'm in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. I neither drink nor do drugs, so I suppose I'm quite the UA-cam geek. I'm almost 60, having been retired, due to a disability, since 2017. And you?
I love how once he picked out the right one and confirmed it, he down the glass in one SMOOTH go. Really wish I could tell what he said when describing the taste, I think he said "cask-y" (right before "to my palate"), but I have no idea. Really wish I knew the difference in taste between a corked and capped Guinness now.
Think he did say casky, like it tastes from a cast instead of being in a bottle
He switches hands on the cut
I'm Scottish, but have some Irish blood, and Guinness, flowing in my veins.
I thought he said "gasky", but that makes no sense. After listening again, I have to agree it was "casky".
Quite Interesting Fact. Irish bars use nitrogen to pump the Guinness to your glass and give it a creamy head, whereas mainland UK uses carbon dioxide. Or so I was raised to believe.
Let's raise a pint to Mr Clinton.
@@Pandangus Yep, it wasn't one go.
@@michaellavery4899 nah thats not true, all around the world guinness is poured with a nitrogen mix. I've seen it poured with CO2 accidentally and it doesn't even look like guinness anymore, the bubbles are too big.
I always appreciate that for as long as there's been television, there's been people on television really sure their feelings are facts.
The man proved he could taste the crown cap in a controlled test, he was a man of science and facts #bringbackthecork
Caps or cork? Personally I prefer Guinness Xtra Xtra Cold (TM) served with a little shamrock in the foam, which should occupy about half the Heineken glass it's served in. Also, stout is at its best when it's been flown or shipped around a bit to ~mature the flavours~, so ideally I'd be drinking it in Abu Dhabi or an American-themed bar in Dublin - but beggars can't be choosers.
Those days when the craic was good in the pubs. A good man to know his stout. Iv got a half pint of stout corked in the bottle still meself.
That's some piece of hi-tech equipment that young fella is using to cork the bottles.
Apparently it is an art to use a hand press.
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 it's also a job
@@jammybizzle666 it sure is/was a job, I did it myself many, many years ago but it is not even a skill never mind an art.
For an Irishman.
@Aaron Mings, bet my IQ is way bigger than yours.
Imagine telling these guys that one day they would be pouring only from a tap.
Bottled Guinness is dreadfully bubbly nowadays I find. The cans with their widgets are nice though
@@colinmurphy2214FES is a lot less carbonated
I Love that this was big news and a big issue in the country back in the day If the world was only so simple nowadays love it 😂😂😂👍
As was the Irish life furniture or guards vans for CIE from Britain
It really is a big deal when you think about it. It's not just about the materials, it fundamentally had an impact on Ireland. We just don't think about this kind of thing being a big deal nowadays, but it is.
The Chap was right. No improvement, it was just cheaper. For Champagner it did not matter, for beer it did save some bucks.
Champagne has corks for a different reason- the same reason all truly high-quality wines have corks. Corks enable the flow of air in and out of the bottle, which is the only way a wine can age. I don't believe beer has aging potential, unlike fine champagne, but I could be wrong.
no i honestly think it was people think Irish couldn't keep clean n well, the FRENCH! And champagne no less?! Who would ever dare question them and their sophistication....When the french do it dirty it's called "rustic" but Irish aren't afforded that luxury.
@@perrya.3580Depends on the beer some beers like Lambics, Orval, Imperial stouts, Barley wines, Old ales, Trappist beers and Trappist style beers like dubbels,tripels and quads some of these beers can be kept for a few years in a cellar temperature dark place or some lambics two decades.
@@samaraisntThis was an Irish company deciding to be even more micromanaging
We use oxygen fixing metal caps now. The corked stout won't last as long. Props to Mr. Clinton's expertise.
Cork'll still last for decades with a perfect seal as long as it doesn't dry out. That being said I'm pretty sure a capped bottle dipped in wax would survive the apocalypse.
Caps don’t need to last long, for stout in Ireland!
Depends there are Lambics that are set to best before 2041 and are corked
“The Journal of Brewing” or some-such publication needs to fund a double-blind placebo taste testing trial of corked vs capped Guinness. Might I volunteer as a participant?
Ha ha. Too right
That looks great. A nice glass of Stout.
Brilliant thanks for sharing 👍🏻☘️☘️☘️
This is like watching an episode of the savage eye.
Bing back the cork!
Bing?
There was nothing better than a wee dumpy. Don't drink anymore and don't even know if those are a thing anymore. Ah the good oul days.
That man would take off like a kite in a strong wind...
Nice! Looks like the cork soakers didn’t have a chance.
Fair play to that fella!
serious pallet 😂
All this talk about us Irish folks being hobbits. Clearly from that man’s ears, we are elves.
Heehe class
I thought us kiwis are the Hobbits now. Then again, we do come from the same stock
Corks? Bottles?! I demand my beer straight from the wooden fermenting bowl that an old woman spit into, like in the good old days!
“Can you tell which is corked?”
“By looking?”
Pat O'Hagan was Jonny Logan's dad, I believe and a star tenor himself. Am I right?
Jesus you're right, I had to Google that, explains his showmanship in front of the camera here
52 years later, cork rocks and rolls-
I've been drinking stout, Nadia 19 years Aaliyah 5 and Porter since I was one half years old. I lived with my Grandmother and Uncil for several years and I had forgotten that the bottles were corked, I also remember that as a very young child, I would wait until my uncle came home from work to open more bottles so I could my drink,, when he would remember he would uncork 3 tall bottles for me before he went to work. It was said in those days that Guness was good for you as it contained iron and was given to ill people hospitals
Those ears received radio free Europe
Forgive my ignorance (can someone more knowledgeable confirm?) that the bottling was done at the pub and not the brewery? That Guinness was delivered to the pub in barrel, then bottled and cellar-aged for 14 days before serving? If so what traditions we've lost.
Yes. Guinness was shipped in barrel only. All bottling was done by the pub or some pubs would have the agency for Guinness and sell bottled stout to other pubs. Draught Guinness was amply the same stuff poured out of a barrel on the counter as far as I know.
@@darachmilner561 That clears up a big mystery. Some time ago I read that Guinness 'Original' or 'XX' would be what you drank in a pub before nitro draught came along, but as 'Original' is only ever bottled that never made sense. The idea that pre nitro Guinness could be served from barrel or bottle clears that up. I prefer bottled over nitro any day, but would love to go back and try it as it was before the crown cap. Cheers!
Glad to help. Here is a video of them pouring draft stout from the barrel back in the 60s. From what I have read and been told some pubs had to tasks. A “high and aa low“ . The high would be fairly fresh and quite lively while the other one will be net get quite flat. The poor would be a combination of the two. Others seem to just have operated from one lively one and gone through the convoluted process of pouring from Jug to glass and back again until the correct carbonation was reached. ua-cam.com/video/-mMRMDogu2c/v-deo.html
@@darachmilner561 Here's the video of porter from the high low casks being poured ua-cam.com/video/Z8EOXDI2ULQ/v-deo.html Aparently it lasted in Belfast until 1973 before Guiness got rid of it
@@darachmilner561 This footage is (black) gold! With singing as well. I had heard that in 19th and earlier centuries pubs would combine running (fresh) and stock (old) beers - maybe into the 20th. We really have lost an entire beer culture, shame to say. Thanks again for your help.
You could pass that publican as Brendan Gleeson's father and nobody would question you
It must have been a very very very loooooong night in that pub, but the question had to be settled once and for all. Did everyone make it home to rest after these very long debates and tasting sessions when the sun rose again the following morning?
There’s conservatism, there’s arch conservatism, and there’s messing with a fella’s drink.
The day, that the city of Cork lost its cultural relevancy
On a side note:
Imagine the furore if these patrons were shown a pint of Guinness White ;)
That gentleman's ears must be in the Guinness Book of Records.
Cork man drowns in a pint of stout. Must be Murphy's stout.
I tried to order a Guinness in Cork, and was kindly corrected about the only stout in town.
@@CritThink1 Which was?
@@Dreyno Murphys utter shite
@@szymongorczynski7621 Beamish, on the other hand...
Or Beamish. Sadly haven't seen that for donkeys here in the UK.
2022 they still corking in wine.
1st. Hi from Shanghai
Hi from Ireland. I was last in Shanghai in 2013. Too long ago
Dia duit !
Shanghai is my hometown. I’ve been living in SF since ‘16 how time flies!
@@SFsailingbiking San Francisco?
Duh
Of course I feel strongly about the question of Cox
Bit of trivia for you all, the publican interviewed is the father of Johnny Logan
Gotta say, that corking process did indeed look a bit gamey.
Looked fine to me. People have become far too soft.
Down with this sort of thing.
Hygiene, me arse...it was down to cost! Valid point about Champagne bottles.
This was recorded in County Cork - which is why they hate caps.
I love the cyncacism in the reporter's voice when he goes after Guinness, 'they say it's "unhygienic" and they want their products "standardised"',
Guinness is Protestant. Enough said.
@@fizmath935 So were Beckett, Sam Maguire and Yeats. What's your point?
I'm not surprised. Cork must let some pressure out.
Excellent comparison for champagne
The guy who did the taste test at the ending of the video has quite an interesting look.
I thought Mr Clinton was going to chug them all! Now I want a beer with a corked bottle.
He did, after filming finished. Why would you waste it?
After the second pint I dare anyone to tell the difference between a cork or a cap.
People always have a problem with sentimental change.
I was searching for pat o hagan's pub, nothing. you'd think there'd be some reference to it.
A time when people were just people
Johnny Logan's Dad behind the bar.
I wonder if that pub is still about
Can we have a same comparison on coke addicts is they preferred a gram of coke in a plastic seal wrap or in a folded paper?
Presenter looks like King Krule lol
That fella probably dropped dead when he heard that cans were coming out.
'Pat' is a good actor! RTE were probably told to feck off and threw that in
Brutal script too LOL
3:03 the most important man in the drinking world at this moment in time.
Everyone of them
Don't forget that other industry of workers who specialised in moistening the cork : The cork soakers
Guinness is the champagne of the gods
The gods must be crazy.
How did we adapt to such brutal changes????
Cork is expensive Guinness did shwindle the people.
Im off to find a corked stout to try, this has got me thinkin
You could try and find a nice imperial stout with cork
3:09 "just by lookin at em?" XD
Mr.Clinton is the og Guinness Guru
i didnt know there ever was such a debate. wonder what they'd think of a can with a "widget"
Beamish Good Murphys Good
"its my stomach" hahaha
3:53 like a bloody boss!
Bottle of Porter and 20 Major please barman
You're all reading the comments in an Irish accent
It might be the film stock, but the bottling room looks like there's concrete dust everywhere.
It made for harder men
Cos he's a legend
That folks is why they were called “the good old days”.
Cant believe Guiness survived after this!
Going to caps caused the blight
Cheers, big ears!
It that Johnny Logan's father?
Yes it sure is patsy o Hagan
.He was a good singer in his own right.
They made a good point though; even today wine and especially champagne comes in corked bottles, why is corked stout unacceptably unhygienic?
I think you'll find most wines are now sealed with a screw cap. Possibly not for "hygiene" but for economy. Corks are expensive in comparison and relatively harder to procure, much easier to seal a bottle with a screw cap in a production line. Plus spoilage is far less in screw caps, I've had a fair few "corked" bottles of wine, never had a "capped" bottle though. Probably purely a profit/automation and economy of scale decision. True Champaign producers may stick to corks as it's part of the story, the mystique of the product. Using cork for them may actually create more profit, or at least ensure longevity of the "brand"
Here in Australia, I only partake of Guinness in a can as the bottled version tastes no where near as good. I believe the bottled version is produced, or at least bottled, locally and is no where near as good as the imported can with it's "widget" that ensures that marvelous head
Wine isn't corked in the back room of the pub, and I bet cheapskate pub owners were reusing corks too
@@iffracem The bottles of Guinness are "Guinness stout" were as the tins with the widget is the draught version, so they are both different products. The draught is superior in everyway, the nitrogen give you an amazing creamy texture.
@@iffracem you didn't mention hygiene once though
My Great Grandfather if he wasn’t careful along with colleagues in summer could have a wasp become trapped in a bottle if Guinness
Anyone know of any brewers that use corks
Cork seems like such a inconvenience
Tins are the worst Bottled every time
With no cork, you could never have had the scene in James Joyce's "Ivy Day in the Comittee Room" (in "Dubliners"):
“Open two bottles of stout, Jack,” said Mr. O’Connor.
“How can I?” said the old man, “when there’s no corkscrew?”
“Wait now, wait now!” said Mr. Henchy, getting up quickly. “Did you ever see this little trick?”
He took two bottles from the table and, carrying them to the fire, put them on the hob.
"... In a few minutes an apologetic “Pok!” was heard as the cork flew out of Mr. Lyons’ bottle. Mr. Lyons jumped off the table, went to the fire, took his bottle and carried it back to the table."
Try doing that with a crown cap!
I was just thinking of that story myself! Thank you!
Bottle cap off the side of a wooden table and hope it doesn’t fob
The reporter's EARS though! Wow! He's lucky that it was fashionable to have longer hair!
The boomer energy in these comments is off the charts.
Brilliant
I'm sad I've never had a corked beer
Now I'm thirsty!
Only in Ireland would somthing be so important
It was/is the working mans drink, I would've been peeved too.
They said the same about wine.