This is definitely the most amazing car model released by Giant. I have been riding COLNAGO all the time, and I tried the new propel at the test ride. I can assure you that the combination of new propel & CADEX 50 Ultra gives you the light pedaling and acceleration feeling ~ you will definitely fall in love with it!
This first look is so good, Giant will fire their promotions team. Man, I swear, these channels do the donkey's work of promoting bikes on behalf of companies...no wonder Hambini trolled them so much.
Former rider & since pro mechanic. Unfortunately this is the kind of marketing b.s the consumers get fed by most manufacturers & because they know many people suck in to it. On this particular point, it's been said & tested for many years that teardrop shaped rear areas are the most aero & drag efficient, now all of a sudden it's not & flat is the way to go. I'm particularly disappointed in GIANT stating these claims & unusually following the marketing b.s of many other brands, especially as they're my favoured brand for quality & value. Use your common sense before buying anything these days & note this... A high level rider will still perform at the highlevel on a 20yr old bike. A low level rider will still perform at a low level on the most expensive & lightest current bike. 'You' the engine first.
But for literally 99% of cyclists, that’s not the most important thing. For most of us who cycle as a hobby as opposed to it as a career, we don’t ride for performance. We cycle because it allows us to play with our toy (the bicycle). It’s way more fun to cycle on a new toy, than some ancient relic from the last Millenia. Any non TDF cyclist who buys and upgrades purely for calculated performance (claiming modern bikes ar marketing BS etc) is nothing short of a hypocrite; pretending to be a pro when they clearly are anything but.
Aero position (and holding this position for the longest time of ride/race) is most important, because rider causes 80-85% of the all drag, bicycle frame, handlebat are negligible!
@@slowcyclist4324 Agreed. Most recreational/amateur/semi-pro don't care. Even pros ride whatever their team bike is. It's about having a new, latest looks toy. As for the teardrop shape, it's only true for 0 degree headwind.
Former rider & since pro mechanic. Unfortunately this is the kind of marketing b.s the consumers get fed by most manufacturers & because they know many people suck in to it. On this particular point, it's been said & tested for many years that teardrop shaped rear areas are the most aero & drag efficient, now all of a sudden it's not & flat is the way to go. Use your common sense before buying anything these days.
Teardrop (or airfoil) is only best if the angle of attack is zero. As the angle increases, drag increases more with airfoil than with truncated airfoil. (Truncated airfoil performs only slightly worse than full airfoil when angle of attack is zero). On average, truncated airfoil shows lower coefficient of drag when subject to various angles of attack. See "Reduction of low speed drag through the use of truncated airfoils" thesis by Ian Stephenson at California State University. You two can keep the cynical rant but better not quit your day jobs.
I have a 2019 tcr pro1 I really like the new propel with similarity’s to the tcr but with a extra bit of aero shaping and the clean cockpit I’m really Intrested. Possibly a purchase for next year
I'd love to see a multi bike test where the bikes are concealed and the riders try to determine which is the best bike without being spoon fed marketing claims.
@@DCassidy42 wrapping it only takes the paintjob away. We would still be able to tell the silhoutte of the bike? you could wrap a pinarello however you want but we'd still see those curves.
Can someone tell me about this kind of wheels? I mean, hookless tubeless tech... I have read some info but I don't see it clear: I usually ride at 8,5bar and it's hard to me to see 6bar pressure. What's the 6bar equivalent in tube technology? Would I feel a loss in terms of speed? I don't mind the comfort while riding, when I ride I like to go fast and to do fast sprints, this is how I enjoy riding my bike, so based on this... would you say 6bar tubeless in hookless wheel is more less the same as 8,5bar with tube? Thanks.
Bike as shown in the video: 12.499 euro. TWELVE THOUSAND and change. Without pedals I might add. This price point is just beyond insane. This is and #ad and should be regarded as such.
@@nationsnumber1chump I think these channels pushing these stupidly overpriced 'dream' bikes should be clear in their communications about price and be honest about it. These are #ads.
@@Shadowboost I just recently switched back to my humble aluminium 105 disc brake bike cause my carbon fibre too damn expensive italian steed cracked. The same tires on both of them. There's no damn difference. Yea, sure, slightly different road feel between frame materials but speed on flats? Descents? Climbing? All the same. The aluminium bike has no single part considered as "aero". I need exactly the same power to maintain 24-25 mph when in front of the group as on my aero super-duper expensive latest trend bike I was riding before. These prices for some minor changes and pure snobbery noone needs actually are pure evil.
Why add in "without pedals"? No real bike comes with pedals. What pedals should it come with? There are different ones and people have preferences. Why would they spec pedals that a lot of people would replace? Not to mention it would be a waste. Pedals last a long time. My Dura-Ace pedals are several years old and on a 2nd bike. If my bike came with 105 pedals or Look, they would have been tossed.
Hi Bro how you compare 2023 Gaint Propel to 2023 Trek Madone SLR 7 Gen 7 I’m looking for new bicycle but between the 2, I can’t make up my mind which one I go for NEED HELP
If i put those wheels (and bottle cages?) on the old propel, how many watts would that save? I’m not yet convinced about the aerodynamics of this propel, i need more info as it’s not at all convincing at all. The propel is/was the most popular Draft legal triathlon bike, maybe not any more!
@Mark-w: Seeing both bikes with the naked eye, I could determine that those bottle-holders were specifically-designed for the shape of the downtube of the new Propel model and the shape of the seat-tube of the new Propel model.
Funny enough, this is the only modern bike as of late (along with Look Blade 795 RS) that stand out as different to me because of the horizontal top tube. Everything else looks like the same endurance bike to me!
This bike was really easy to assemble ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
@@brysonszy6306 The 2020 TCR Advanced lineup is the same as the 2021 lineup, I remember this current generation is released before the 2020 model year.
@@yonglingng5640 Nope, unfortunately thats simply not true. I bought, owned and rode a 2021 TCR knowing it was a newly updated model. The 2021 model is the 9th generation of the TCR, with the previous frame update dating back to 2016. Slightly different tube profiles, slightly stiffer and slightly lighter. Look up the 2021 TCR article from BikeRadar. Would drop the link but UA-cam does not allow links in comments for some stupid reason.
Truncated aerofoils are NOT faster! Take a look at the drag coefficient of the most aerodynamic shapes, not a truncated aerofoil in sight. Truncated aerofoils have other benefits, aerodynamics isn’t one of them.
They are faster than round and better than thin and long for a road bike. To gain the needed properties and fit within UCI guidelines as mentioned above, they are faster.
For a given width and depth ratio in a profile, a truncated airfoil is certainly the fastest shape. If you curve the airfoil towards a point at the back of a 4:1 ratio profile, the airflow will prematurely separate.
Teardrop (or airfoil) is only best if the angle of attack is zero. As the angle increases, drag increases more with airfoil than with truncated airfoil. (Truncated airfoil performs only slightly worse than full airfoil when angle of attack is zero). On average, truncated airfoil shows lower coefficient of drag when subject to various angles of attack. See "Reduction of low speed drag through the use of truncated airfoils" thesis by Ian Stephenson at California State University. Too much bro-science by conservative cyclists.
@@dee-vee not exactly. Teardrop is lower drag at low angles, but not necessarily only at 0 incidence. Typical aircraft cruise at nonzero angle of attack (sub 5 degrees), but they still are all cruise optimized full airfoils.
The very aesthetics-conscious would, only because the TCR Advanced uses regular internal routing instead of integrated internal routing, which they will incorrectly call it as external routing. But hey, I'd take regular internal routing anytime for my own bikes in the very long run.
Anyone bothered about the price of this top spec one- it doesn’t matter. This is for the pros- no one should be buying this bike, consumers should be buying the advanced models which are more reasonable. The SL version is the very best that giant can do, and the price reflects costs
Well said but there are always average or less than riders, that will splash their hard earned cash...even go into debt, thinking that such a bike will make them a TDF contender. You have to laugh 😃
@@tman5634 Tell me about it. I've interacted with various customers, some of which ask if we do installments. When they get their bikes, some of them would upgrade their rides non-stop, getting themselves suckered by all the latest tech and innovations they see and drool over. Some of them even get the cheaper counterparts of said items initially thinking they're all the same, naively.
Why just comparing to the previous model, this is the same as 80% of all top tier bikes made today, probable not as good as some, and I own a 2021 TCR.. NOTHING will be a big, great, marked, etc; improvement. All marketing, so don't be gullible. Buy it if that's what you want, if you suck now, you'll still suck, if you're a great cyclist, you know you don't need this, so again buy it if you want it.. Nothing else needs to be know..
@@Shadowboost Nah, the base variant would be better for most of us, because you have the more common 1 1/8-inch steerer tube, which has far wider stem compatibility.
Who cares the SL. Totally no go with such a seatpost + ridicoulous price. More affordable variants are less aero (tested by Tour Mag), and are 8+ kg heavy.
Hi Bro how you compare 2023 Gaint Propel to 2023 Trek Madone SLR 7 Gen 7 I’m looking for new bicycle but between the 2, I can’t make up my mind which one I go for NEED HELP
Hi Bro how you compare 2023 Gaint Propel to 2023 Trek Madone SLR 7 Gen 7 I’m looking for new bicycle but between the 2, I can’t make up my mind which one I go for NEED HELP
This is definitely the most amazing car model released by Giant.
I have been riding COLNAGO all the time, and I tried the new propel at the test ride. I can assure you that the combination of new propel & CADEX 50 Ultra gives you the light pedaling and acceleration feeling ~ you will definitely fall in love with it!
This first look is so good, Giant will fire their promotions team. Man, I swear, these channels do the donkey's work of promoting bikes on behalf of companies...no wonder Hambini trolled them so much.
And yet, you are watching this channel promoting the bike. Hambini is a troll; so, he'll troll no matter what.
@@dee-vee Oh I love ads. Bike ads are my fav!!!
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Former rider & since pro mechanic.
Unfortunately this is the kind of marketing b.s the consumers get fed by most manufacturers & because they know many people suck in to it.
On this particular point, it's been said & tested for many years that teardrop shaped rear areas are the most aero & drag efficient, now all of a sudden it's not & flat is the way to go.
I'm particularly disappointed in GIANT stating these claims & unusually following the marketing b.s of many other brands, especially as they're my favoured brand for quality & value.
Use your common sense before buying anything these days & note this...
A high level rider will still perform at the highlevel on a 20yr old bike.
A low level rider will still perform at a low level on the most expensive & lightest current bike.
'You' the engine first.
But for literally 99% of cyclists, that’s not the most important thing.
For most of us who cycle as a hobby as opposed to it as a career, we don’t ride for performance. We cycle because it allows us to play with our toy (the bicycle).
It’s way more fun to cycle on a new toy, than some ancient relic from the last Millenia. Any non TDF cyclist who buys and upgrades purely for calculated performance (claiming modern bikes ar marketing BS etc) is nothing short of a hypocrite; pretending to be a pro when they clearly are anything but.
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Aero position (and holding this position for the longest time of ride/race) is most important, because rider causes 80-85% of the all drag, bicycle frame, handlebat are negligible!
@@slowcyclist4324 Agreed. Most recreational/amateur/semi-pro don't care. Even pros ride whatever their team bike is. It's about having a new, latest looks toy.
As for the teardrop shape, it's only true for 0 degree headwind.
5:08 flat lines are faster? gee, I guess giant just changed aerospace engineering! or maybe they changed physics. who needs a separation point anyway?
Former rider & since pro mechanic.
Unfortunately this is the kind of marketing b.s the consumers get fed by most manufacturers & because they know many people suck in to it.
On this particular point, it's been said & tested for many years that teardrop shaped rear areas are the most aero & drag efficient, now all of a sudden it's not & flat is the way to go.
Use your common sense before buying anything these days.
Teardrop (or airfoil) is only best if the angle of attack is zero. As the angle increases, drag increases more with airfoil than with truncated airfoil. (Truncated airfoil performs only slightly worse than full airfoil when angle of attack is zero). On average, truncated airfoil shows lower coefficient of drag when subject to various angles of attack.
See "Reduction of low speed drag through the use of truncated airfoils" thesis by Ian Stephenson at California State University.
You two can keep the cynical rant but better not quit your day jobs.
@@dee-vee So why are TT bikes airfoil shaped, and faster?
I have a 2019 tcr pro1 I really like the new propel with similarity’s to the tcr but with a extra bit of aero shaping and the clean cockpit I’m really Intrested. Possibly a purchase for next year
I'd love to see a multi bike test where the bikes are concealed and the riders try to determine which is the best bike without being spoon fed marketing claims.
how would you conceal a bike while reviewing it?
@@faiznasruddin6596 put some vinyl wrap over the frames.
Every newly released bike looks the same anyway, so we only need to get an unpainted frame.
No one told you that you need that brand new bike if you already own a similar bike.
@@DCassidy42 wrapping it only takes the paintjob away. We would still be able to tell the silhoutte of the bike? you could wrap a pinarello however you want but we'd still see those curves.
Let me guess: faster than before? More refined? And more aero? Less drag? Lol haven't even finished the video
12% more rigid and 8,5% more compliant too. Ignore all the propietary parts and the outrageous pricetag, buy buy buy!!
It's bike. What else can it do? Make coffee?
@@christianrodriguez3531 new bike can save 6.5w！
faster, lighter, it's a perfect production
atleast u won't own an old one 😎
Finaly beatiful looking Propel 😍😍
The RED One is very nice.
Can someone tell me about this kind of wheels? I mean, hookless tubeless tech... I have read some info but I don't see it clear: I usually ride at 8,5bar and it's hard to me to see 6bar pressure. What's the 6bar equivalent in tube technology? Would I feel a loss in terms of speed? I don't mind the comfort while riding, when I ride I like to go fast and to do fast sprints, this is how I enjoy riding my bike, so based on this... would you say 6bar tubeless in hookless wheel is more less the same as 8,5bar with tube?
Thanks.
Best giant in years.
😅🤣😅🤣
Bike as shown in the video: 12.499 euro. TWELVE THOUSAND and change. Without pedals I might add. This price point is just beyond insane. This is and #ad and should be regarded as such.
What, you think people won't pay for it when they already spend money on S-works?
@@nationsnumber1chump I think these channels pushing these stupidly overpriced 'dream' bikes should be clear in their communications about price and be honest about it. These are #ads.
Agreed that pricing is going bananas, but could you show be a major manufacturer's flagship build going for less than 10k retail?
@@Shadowboost I just recently switched back to my humble aluminium 105 disc brake bike cause my carbon fibre too damn expensive italian steed cracked. The same tires on both of them. There's no damn difference. Yea, sure, slightly different road feel between frame materials but speed on flats? Descents? Climbing? All the same. The aluminium bike has no single part considered as "aero". I need exactly the same power to maintain 24-25 mph when in front of the group as on my aero super-duper expensive latest trend bike I was riding before. These prices for some minor changes and pure snobbery noone needs actually are pure evil.
Why add in "without pedals"? No real bike comes with pedals. What pedals should it come with? There are different ones and people have preferences. Why would they spec pedals that a lot of people would replace? Not to mention it would be a waste. Pedals last a long time. My Dura-Ace pedals are several years old and on a 2nd bike. If my bike came with 105 pedals or Look, they would have been tossed.
First time watching this channel
It works great and is easy to operate
Yes please
Hi Bro how you compare 2023 Gaint Propel to 2023 Trek Madone SLR 7 Gen 7
I’m looking for new bicycle but between the 2, I can’t make up my mind which one I go for NEED HELP
GIANT PROPEL 🌞 # 1 🚲 Chicago 🇵🇱
That blue paint is spectacular. Glad they kneecapped it with the gloss black, otherwise id have major fomo.
It's not actually black, it's a clearcoat over the carbon
@@charlie-gt2hj🥵🥵🥵
If i put those wheels (and bottle cages?) on the old propel, how many watts would that save? I’m not yet convinced about the aerodynamics of this propel, i need more info as it’s not at all convincing at all.
The propel is/was the most popular Draft legal triathlon bike, maybe not any more!
@Mark-w:
Seeing both bikes with the naked eye, I could determine that those bottle-holders were specifically-designed for the shape of the downtube of the new Propel model and the shape of the seat-tube of the new Propel model.
How is it compare to new S5?
Funny enough, this is the only modern bike as of late (along with Look Blade 795 RS) that stand out as different to me because of the horizontal top tube. Everything else looks like the same endurance bike to me!
Waiting for the rim brakes version.
Hahaha
@Sarah-Toustra:
as far as i know, the Propel became "disc-brake--only" starting-with the previous version of the Propel.
Ohhh my God! It's beautiful!!! 😋
Nice ad...integrated seat post is unnecessary
The base and Pro variants don't use an ISP.
Loving your vids ✊🏾
dont u think this bike is an integrated tcr cockpit?
Excellent weight at 6.79kg, but What size is this bike?
Medium large
pro 0 di2
lol they don't say where the watt savings come from... like the wheels & tires haha, come on now
cadex are the best wheels on the market
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
This bike was really easy to assemble ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
Seeing as the Propel has been majorly updated, is the 2023 Giant TCR also updated in any way to the 2022 model?
TCR and Propel updates are separate. The TCR received a recent update back in the 2021 model.
@@brysonszy6306 The 2020 TCR Advanced lineup is the same as the 2021 lineup, I remember this current generation is released before the 2020 model year.
@@yonglingng5640 Nope, unfortunately thats simply not true. I bought, owned and rode a 2021 TCR knowing it was a newly updated model. The 2021 model is the 9th generation of the TCR, with the previous frame update dating back to 2016. Slightly different tube profiles, slightly stiffer and slightly lighter.
Look up the 2021 TCR article from BikeRadar. Would drop the link but UA-cam does not allow links in comments for some stupid reason.
When will it be available ?
Depends, they said November ish.
More of the same with a massive price tag 🏷
6.79kg? That’s impressive
is this good to climb?
I wish my Tarmac was as light as this bike
When will we see a review on an affordable model as everyone tests the SL 🙄
Truncated aerofoils are NOT faster! Take a look at the drag coefficient of the most aerodynamic shapes, not a truncated aerofoil in sight. Truncated aerofoils have other benefits, aerodynamics isn’t one of them.
They are faster for bluff bodies being being them. They are also faster within the constraints of the UCI allowed geometry boxes
They are faster than round and better than thin and long for a road bike. To gain the needed properties and fit within UCI guidelines as mentioned above, they are faster.
For a given width and depth ratio in a profile, a truncated airfoil is certainly the fastest shape. If you curve the airfoil towards a point at the back of a 4:1 ratio profile, the airflow will prematurely separate.
Teardrop (or airfoil) is only best if the angle of attack is zero. As the angle increases, drag increases more with airfoil than with truncated airfoil. (Truncated airfoil performs only slightly worse than full airfoil when angle of attack is zero). On average, truncated airfoil shows lower coefficient of drag when subject to various angles of attack.
See "Reduction of low speed drag through the use of truncated airfoils" thesis by Ian Stephenson at California State University.
Too much bro-science by conservative cyclists.
@@dee-vee not exactly. Teardrop is lower drag at low angles, but not necessarily only at 0 incidence. Typical aircraft cruise at nonzero angle of attack (sub 5 degrees), but they still are all cruise optimized full airfoils.
Now that's a good looking bike! Not like the others with weird handlebar and seat tube
Kinda looks like the Trifox x16.
No wonder it lighter, no pedals! You forgot to mention stealth mode.
Nice comercial.
When you will talk about bikes ??
I don't see why I should buy this over a TCR.
The very aesthetics-conscious would, only because the TCR Advanced uses regular internal routing instead of integrated internal routing, which they will incorrectly call it as external routing.
But hey, I'd take regular internal routing anytime for my own bikes in the very long run.
Anyone bothered about the price of this top spec one- it doesn’t matter. This is for the pros- no one should be buying this bike, consumers should be buying the advanced models which are more reasonable. The SL version is the very best that giant can do, and the price reflects costs
Well said but there are always average or less than riders, that will splash their hard earned cash...even go into debt, thinking that such a bike will make them a TDF contender.
You have to laugh 😃
@@tman5634 Tell me about it. I've interacted with various customers, some of which ask if we do installments. When they get their bikes, some of them would upgrade their rides non-stop, getting themselves suckered by all the latest tech and innovations they see and drool over. Some of them even get the cheaper counterparts of said items initially thinking they're all the same, naively.
If only I liked Giant. I've never really cared for there bikes. I find the new Scott Foil to be a beautiful machine or the Pinarello F.
I have old Propel but have always liked the Foil and new one looks great
I'd be more inclined to take the new Propel Advanced (base variant) over the Foil and even the Dogma F.
Where's the thumbnail bike? Clickbait bs
I can't see anything or any detail on that black paint job
The one on the thumbnail is the base or Pro variant of the Propel Advanced.
No review is complete without a free hub sound check.
Really tired of the look of drop seat stays...old frames looked better
Too expensive for a giant bike I rather go for specialised bmc
Why just comparing to the previous model, this is the same as 80% of all top tier bikes made today, probable not as good as some, and I own a 2021 TCR.. NOTHING will be a big, great, marked, etc; improvement. All marketing, so don't be gullible. Buy it if that's what you want, if you suck now, you'll still suck, if you're a great cyclist, you know you don't need this, so again buy it if you want it.. Nothing else needs to be know..
The ISP was the world's worst decision, will guarantee I never buy one
Never had an issue with mine
Then get the regular advanced pro
It can be a pain, but for some the choice is worth it. I have it, and will do it again.
Thank You! One Propel more for me available.
@@Shadowboost Nah, the base variant would be better for most of us, because you have the more common 1 1/8-inch steerer tube, which has far wider stem compatibility.
Who cares the SL. Totally no go with such a seatpost + ridicoulous price. More affordable variants are less aero (tested by Tour Mag), and are 8+ kg heavy.
In one word.... *NOPE*
Such a boring colour school
Very poor quality bikes so many of us are having problems with our carbon revolts cracking at the seat tube
I was looking for a revolt adv 0 but couldn’t find one near me so I bought an ibis hakka mx instead. looks like I got lucky.
Hi Bro how you compare 2023 Gaint Propel to 2023 Trek Madone SLR 7 Gen 7
I’m looking for new bicycle but between the 2, I can’t make up my mind which one I go for NEED HELP
Hi Bro how you compare 2023 Gaint Propel to 2023 Trek Madone SLR 7 Gen 7
I’m looking for new bicycle but between the 2, I can’t make up my mind which one I go for NEED HELP