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Is this really the best we can expect for £3000 now? The 2023 Giant Propel Advanced 2 Aero Road Bike
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
- I am so conflicted. I wanted to hate it. However, it seems like @RideGiantBicycles have come up with something pretty good. This is an important bike for young road racers. Something fast, that will take some hammer and look good. It is more than 10% more expensive than the 2022 model, but looks so much better. What do you think?
The thing I like about Giant direct to consumer model is that it still goes through a local shop. So you have someone who knows Giant Bikes that puts it together for you and it still includes that local aspect
I’ve been trying to get more details on this. The new model is a bit different. It looks like the local shop has to choose to fulfil the order and has a tight time schedule to accept the order. I do wonder how it works if the bike gets discounted. I’m sure creases will iron out.
@@charlesmansplaining sounds like a challenge
@@charlesmansplaining Not sure a 10-year old would be able to cut a steering tube down...... ;)
@@charlesmansplaining Assembly is easy, quality control is another. Most people cant check bearing free play (especially gcn) They can't torque all the cap screws, can't check or align derailleur hangers etc
@@charlesmansplaining I suppose I'm also looking at it from a warranty point of view too. Eg if I cut my own steerer it is likely to void it. Use an official giant dealer with that after service care and you'll be OK in that aspect. But you're right in term of actually assembling the final bits. I'd be happy building it myself, not sure the average Joe would though.
Elves you can get a very high quality frameset for ~1000€ and their 2023 falath (their aero frame) will be UCI certified if that's a concern from a racer's perspective
True, although the new falath is simply too heavy. Might be worth waiting for the new Vanyar that I hear is being designed atm.
Late to the game but unlike wheels, UCI certification on frames has nothing to do with quality or safety.
It simply means that the frames dimensions are conforming to the UCI regulations to save time and avoid doubt in a race commissaire's mind.
See UCI regulations.
@@sylvainmichaud2262 ofc yeah, but you can still have problems if you want to enter a uci race without a certified frame
But also, the new falath is just shit
Fun fact. On Japanese giant page they still list weight for most models
Oh. What is it?
@@Mapdec for advanced 2 in ml size is listed as around 8.74kg or something
Most of that excess weight must be the wheels and tyres?
Dumping that huge stem has made all the difference, new one looks good. Let's hope the sensibly integrated cables on this is enough of a differential that they can keep external gear cables at least on the TCR for mechanical shifting, lining it up against the Aethos etc now this is more of a rounded package.
Oh boy were you wrong
you mentioned geometry which good most don't these days, but the TCR and Propel are actual stand outs with a hand full of others in the current crop of "race" bikes. most bikes these day compromise geo for disc's but giant along with Lapierre, Time, Ridley and Look retain race geo for their race bikes.
True. Some large cross section aero bikes have gone slack angles to get stability back.
I am very interested in the propel advanced 2. It's a wonderful bike.It costs £2100 here in Taiwan!!! A really good deal and I bet I can still get it for a better price in a couple of months...
I find it too expensive in the UK though.
Cool. I really think these will be in the sale very soon too.
The Propel in the advanced and advanced pro option look nice and well balanced. The advanced sl version with its integrated seatpost seems to have a thinner seattube which makes the proportions of the bike look a bit off in my opinion.
I didn’t look too closely. I can’t get excited about off the shelf bikes at that price. Custom build is the way to go for the ultimate bike, I can’t imagine anyone lusting after a Propel in that price bracket.
Winspace aero frame is only available in one size for last couple months and I believe it won't be restocked. They will probably launch new model this year (and probably with higher price). Yoeleo has some nice aero frame. I was considering buying it but recently they raise price from €1300 to €1590.
Really nice job on this. Thinking of swapping TCR for this bike. First aero bike so good info. Have a great blessed day.
🙏🚴💯😊
Thank you.
The OEM wheels, being a bit heavier, are great for training. They look good and appear to be pretty strong. I have puncture resistant tires on mine and ride them everywhere. I have a set of Roval Rapides with fast tires that I switch with.
Ah. Old Skool strength training. Heavy wheels and slow cadence hills.
Over 9kg according to 'Biking Point' UA-cam channel- they have done some weigh-ins. I was dead set on getting one of these but the weight issue has changed my mind.Realise the wheels are probably quite heavy but The Advanced 1 model isn't much lighter and weighs 8.5kg in Small frame size. The weight was the issue for me so instead I've now ordered a TCR pro 2 with SLR1 wheels I managed to get 20% off so worked out cheaper than this propel in the end.Admittedly it's not got the integrated cabling and the latest windtunnel frame design but it's over a kilogram lighter.
Thanks Eddy. A kilo is a lot to find in upgrades.
Kind of comparing 2 different tiers of bike here regarding the weight, this is the Advanced range and you've bought the TCR in the Advanced Pro range. Of course there will be weight savings..... If weight was the issue and you were dead set on a Propel, should maybe have looked at the Propel Advanced Pro range. PS. Aero trumps weight in most situations ;)
@@ssbagley The point of this video is what's the best value you can get for £3000.I'm aware the pro propels will be a bit lighter but they are all north of £5000. I already own a propel so know all about aero versus lightweight
@@ssbagley Yeah but if you are honest the aero gains of the Propel over the TCR are likely overstated and minimal, doubt with a rider on board you would notice any difference.
@@gregmorrison7320 yeah I agree, most riders maybe wouldn't notice, but unfortunately I do. I have 4 bikes with the propel being the heaviest, however it's by far the easiest to race on. Holding speeds of 25-30mph is sooo much easier than on my TCR and other bikes.
new model instantly looks better. last model was easy to hate. contrary to your comments, if the seat post is not cylindrical, would like to see it more aerofoil in shape, and a seat tube sculpted around the rear wheel. I guess a seat tube & post more like the Canyon Aeroad.
If you don't need a big name brand you could do worse than a Planet X - they have a Campag Chorus equipped bike for £2,699.
You also have the Merida Reacto, Canyon Aeroad, Elves Falath, Megano, MMR Aero SL, Orbea Orca Aero and some more
For sure. Hundreds of options. Do any of those enable a better sub £3k build?
Why is it that when I look at the Giant Website the propel is atleast $8000 dollars no option for $3000
It looks much much better than the old one but I think a upcoming junior on a crit circuit can cope with the older model at a much lower price.
If anything, I think this propel is more in line with the tarmac or supersix Evo, Scott addict etc. aero fast at the front, comfortable at the back. This is dentist territory, a young crit racer can cope with the older less compliant bike imho
Will be interesting to see what direction the TCR goes now...
My guess would be same silhouette (obviously), some tweaks on tube profiles, and adopting propel's cockpit integration
@@kitpandikit I'm curious to see if it'll be an Aethos type bike. Ride quality aside, I don't see why anyone would pick the TCR how it is now over the new Propel 🤷🏽♂️
@@kpizzle1985 Yeah a couple of ticks for the TCR for the easier head set maintenance and the compact frame design, it has its fans.
E-bike, hairdresser tools by default and inbuilt coffee-machine.
I agree, looks much better than the previous one, kind of a nod to the last non-disc only generation with those pretty good TRP brakes behind the front fork. I wish they had also come back to that rear wheel cut out and more aerofoiled downtube from that era as not only did it look good, it helped with the aero efficiency. I guess they figured more people over the world would maybe want to go for 28 to 32mil tyres to compensate for road quality... And those Giant wheels ...let's just say they're great for training as they have you build strength ahah.
Strength building wheels… look out for the first brand to use that for marketing.
The new Falath Evo is a very good looking frame
Can you we have a video on the best rim brake race bikes available please
I have. Nobody watches them 😥
@@Mapdec send mr the link I will watch and share with others
@@Mapdecplease send me the link I will watch it
10% more expensive then last year ,and come only with 105 , no carbon wheels ,no rim brake option , no option to choose the paint ,WTF !
Crazy
Prices always going up 🙄
I’ve owned and put many km on every generation of propel, on the odd occasion I stray from the propel to other brands concept of aero, always come back to the propel. My current propel is a stealthy matt black 2021 frame, with the stock slr 0 wheelset. Still my best racing bike, and would struggle to sell it. The new propel has arrived at my bikeshop, is available to me to purchase, but cannot get over the 100% increase in price in two product years.
Would you buy the old version in sale? The orange one! I am in dilema in TRC or the orange propel. The propel is just beautiful!
The old one is ugly.
It looks like half propel, half TCR.
Propel head tube and down tube and fork.
Tcr top tube, seat tube and seat stay
go second hand. always second hand. got my time skylon with dura ace 9000 and power meter and 60mm mad fiber wheels(1000g) for literally 2800usd.
I have seen quite a lot of very nice road bikes secondhand on the local forums (I'm in NZ) going for way less than they should. Some only a couple of years old.
Yeah to off load an old bike you really have to almost give them away, it's at the point where it makes if more worthwhile to just keep it, I have several that I have kept after not wanting to give them away and glad that I have kept them in the long run.
The subtle change in lighting behind you might indicate a subtle change in frame-rate (fps) might be an upgrade to picture quality (if a small one).
And yes, the focus is off, too, but that was probably an honest mistake ;-)
Thanks Benno. I think I had the GH5 in picture rather than movie mode. I’ll get there.
@@Mapdec No worries, usable shot still!
But if you have an artificial source lighting your scene, the frame rate of your clip better be off of multiples of the flicker of the light source ;-)
Our eyes just detect roughly 16 to 20fps, and light flickers around 50-60 times per sec...
It seems like the days are gone when building up a bike from a frame is a viable value option , whether it be on the mountain bike side or road side , bike companies seem to make a lot of a margin on oe parts
Yes. It’s almost like they make more money on the parts they don’t make than the part they do.
I don't do GIANT, SPECIALISED or TREK but you spotted a good one and yes , its impressive enough. So much so that I have sent your video to my friend who is a retailer in the Middle East so that he can maybe get some of them in. I am becoming soft at my old age, time to go and buy an F12 to remind me what I am supposed to ride lol
F12 😳
@@Mapdec A MAMIL's bike lol , will probably ride it once and hang it on the wall being that its too expensive
The bicycle industry really should move to 650b wheels for the smaller sizes on road bikes. That's what many brands are doing for Gravel bikes.
This I can totally agree on. Sadly those that have, have discover poor choice in tyres and wheels
What is the advantage?
@@comedyman112 saddle to bar drop that allows full glute and quad movement and a low aero position. Also much easier to handle.
Propel Advance 2 now on sale for £2400, now that's good value 😉
According to bike24, ML size weight: 8,7kg... These must be some heavy wheels/tyre combo.
Sounds about right. It’s a good upgrade platform. A set of wheels is really all it needs.
Either I had some cheap vodka or the video is fuzzy
It’s a blur
It seemed like poor/low lighting and or camera setting not set to handle it.
It’s the vodka
I'm struggling to find a better bike for any of the price points Giant is offering. The PROPEL ADVANCED is good, but PROPEL ADVANCED PRO 0 is just as good.
Go to any marketplace for used bikes and sort by rimbrake. Faster, simpler, racier.
Three grand for an entry level cool bike, wow, better win some fish n chippers!
its a good looking bike, I've got a TCR Adv. 2 , so I think the rear end has influenced this Propel. I agree with your point about the tyres not being good on their sides and want some advice on what to change them to [standard PS2 and tyre]. cheers
Tyres… there is a big subject. My ultimate fave tyres right now are the Pirelli P Zero. I also like the Schwalbe Pro 1. Vitoria Corsa are fast, but they seem to damage easily. Conti GP5000 don’t really live up to the hype of their predecessor. The side walls are flakey and they wear fast. Hutchinson Fusion are a great, reasonably priced and all season option.
I'm sold on that color. Maybe someday I'll get my track bike powder coated that color!
Im building up a winspace frame I got on black friday (€1000) with eliete wheels (€700) that come in 1350g and then will probably get 105 di12 as cant get ultegra in stock (€1300) should hopefully come in around 8kg
Checke R2-bikes, crazy prices there, Sram Force for the same has the 105 di2
It still weighs 8.9 kilos weird that isnt stated on the uk site but it is stated on the dutch site
Oh. A bit of heft there
Back to the 80´s!!! Rgr
Interesting review, what bikes do you think are better than the Propel Advanced 1 at its price range? Took a look at one today and was pretty impressed solid aero bike with a decent amount of compliance baked in, opening it up to longer rides etc as well.
Scott Foil Springs to mind first. I think they do a model with Di2 about the same price.
for 3 grand you can buy an o.k. used car so buying a bike for that price is a hard sell for the average joe blow. with the economy going to shit it's harder and harder for people to justify dropping the cash on bikes like this, and this is no where near the most expensive bike out there. i think the bike industry is going to have to back it up and rethink what they're doing if they want to stay alive.
Totally. It is still a ridiculous price. It should be more like £1500
I don't get the logic in that argument. Anyone who has £3k to spend on a bike is likely to have zero need for an "ok 2nd hand car"
Bikes can be expensive, but there are always decent options at a person's price point (especially in the used market)
@@mjf1975 you don't get the logic that alot of people have to choose between buying a utilitarian mode of transport like a used car and an expensive toy like a high end bike?
@@jmswilliams70 No I don’t. You don’t HAVE to buy a £3k bike. If you’re looking at a £3k bike you’re likely to already have a car.
If you need a car then you wouldn’t be looking at a £3k bike. Quite simple really
@@mjf1975 well since most people don't need and thusly won't buy these expensive bikes where does that leave the bike industry.
That bike fit video sounds like it'll be good. On the race bikr side of things, perhaps a RedChilli FR1 🤔
Umm. I had never heard of them until now. Looks like a bike shop painting up open moulds. Good luck to them.
Very confused about your comments on the S and XS sizes being at risk of to overlap because of the long trail.
The geo sheet is incomplete but shows they have reduced the headtube angle, likely without changing the fork rake to preserve the wheelbase and front centre. This creates the longer trail as a direct consequence of avoiding that toe overlap.
We did a vid explaining this a while back. It’s just one of those things that needs a more careful eye when buying.
But more trail is almost always associated with less overlap?
If the S and XS had the same trail as a M then the reduced front centre would increase the risk of overlap.
The wheelbase is within a few mm at the same chainstay so why would this be an issue of overlap?
Surely the issue for smaller riders is that this workaround has changed the steering response not caused a toe problem?
Hi, thanks for the review I'm seriously considering the Propel. However considering last years model (The Red one) is now available for around £2,300, is the new model worth the extra £700 ?
Mostly the new one looks significantly better and has a neater stem set up.
People keep forgetting Cube Bikes. For that value you have a bike with ultegra di2, Cube Agree C62 Race
Umm. www.cube.eu/uk-en/cube-agree-c-62-grey-n-black/678050
@@Mapdec well I guess prices in the UK are different. Here that bike I said costs less then 3500€
The new Propel looks much better. The old model looks like it was in a microwave for too long and melted.
The price isn't great. But it shows the sentiment that the brand-name bikes are overpriced and can be built for less is not really possible in a meaningful way. If I have to source and assemble a box of parts only to save a small percentage depending on which UA-camr promo code is shilled to me. Who got a deal?
Merida reacto 6000.....same price,great frameset,full Ultegra,and equally crap wheels 👍👌
I’ve seen that bike now as low as £2400, do you still think at that price it’s a steal in 2024?
Yeah. it probably is. wow.
3k for that? I was looking at the propel until I saw the price for 105 and a whole heap of landfill parts!
I am sure bikes like this will be on sale soon.
@@Mapdec Giant have just put up the prices of almost all their bikes by a large amount here in Korea. It would be funny if they ended up having to drop them again. 😂 They’ve been progressively putting prices up over the last few years during COVID and the 2023 price increases are just a joke imo! I can’t say I’ll feel pity for any brand that struggles through the next year or so!
Hello. I just switched from MTB (later with extra set of slick wheels) to (endurance) road bike.
You have mentioned young riders getting to more serious cycling sport. But this is similar for me.
As road cycling community tends to by quite posh, it is hard to figure out, how to get into proper cycling. (and have created vids about cycling being out of touch).
So for me it is quite lot of guess work to find, what would fit me. Like: would I perform better with more aggressive geometry? Is Endurance bike lame? Should I go broke to have all the bells and whistles?
Guys like GCN are not too helpful. At least Cycling Weekly started to ask similar questions. And then are channels like yours, Hambini, Trace Velo, Peak Torque, ...
Thanks for building the community.
Greeting from 🇸🇰
Thanks. Defo don’t go broke! Tips for you. Go as aggressive with your fit as your musculoskeletal system and core strength allows. A good bike is made from the fine detail that hardly anyone notices.
@@Mapdec I had wonderful opportunity to use friend's 105 Canyon Endurace CF SL for whole '22 season. It fit me perfectly. So I bought 2023 model (just CF without SL) and once I took it for the first ride, I was like "Yesssss! We're home.".
But again, what should I train towards? Are GCN ideals way to go? And my personal answer was to train for what I love - more relaxed, but really long rides as frequently, as it gets.
And I believe, lots of other riders would need to realise the same think, as they are getting into cycling.
So Shimano must be planning on continuing mech 105 11 speed. Such a great group set.
Looks that way
I’ve been looking at the ribble SL but two mechanics I’ve chatted to say stay away from ribble. What’s your opinion? Also I’m 5ft10 so on the die of a medium and large. Would you go medium or large?
Step away from the ribble, there is only heartache and trouble down that road. Depends on the bike and how you ride.
What do you think about cube agree are the quality frames?
im from Montenegro, and unfortunately i can only choose between cube scott and track, and it's hard cos i have no experience in this :)
Oh. Scott makes some excellent bikes. People forget about them too much.
Cube is ok. Some good value bikes, not very exciting.
you need a video camera with face detect af on it..
Aye. Something went a bit mythic here.
@@Mapdec It happens! Still great content, thanks.
Not a question about aero road CF frames, but what do you think about using titanium frames for gravel/adventure/bikepacking/do-it-all bikes? And any recommendations in the UK? Planet X Tempest? Sonder Camino?
Tricky. We did a Ti vid a short time back. You might find that useful.
@@Mapdec also you can probably guess I'm looking for more budget options, cause otherwise I'd go with a Ribble or any other decently reliable brand, but they usually start at 2100 quid, which is more money than I ever had on my bank account :D
@@KNURKonesur check out lynskey. I just got a frame for 1500 and bought rival axs for 700
The way they did the aero on the frame makes it look more streamlined. The frame geometry seems weird though.
Paul, another idea for a video, genuine versus counterfeit Shimano 11s chains. I just got a fake one off Amazon usa. I took links apart and compared them to genuine Shimano chain parts. If you’re interested, I can send you pictures comparing, so you know what to look for if you decide to do a video.
That would be interesting thanks.
@@Mapdec How do I send?
@@GNX157 insta, FB, TikTok,
@@Mapdec okay, I don’t use any of those. I’ll send a few to the sales email. Give you a starting point for a video at least. Maybe if someone comes in with a suspected fake chain you can spot it easier and use that for the story. This applies specifically to Shimano 11 speed CN-HG701 model. There may be other fakes, but I’ve only encountered the 701 so far because that’s all I use.
What about the Merida reacto 600 at £2950
It is not a brand I see very much.
@@Mapdec it comes equipped with full ultegra groupset,the best value aero bike out there
Looking at the Propel Advance 1, Which bikes would be better on the Market for that price range?
In the advanced range not much now, but careful. It a really heavy bike. An SL7 might be a better bet. In the Advanced SL range you could have a LOOK RS Blade the new one for the same money.
@@Mapdec I believe it's around 8.2kg in size S, do you think that is heavy for around 4,500kg? I am also curious to see other (better) options at around 4k
Do you plan on reviewing the Look 765 anytime soon? Thanks.
It’s due to arrive mid feb. I will defo have it on the channel.
How about the orro venturi evo, £2500 with very similar spec?
Good shout
Excellent bike 👍
What would you go for in the pro advanced price range instead? You said you thought there were better options
Trek Madone, Cannondale System Six,
Advanced 2 and Advanced 1 have made me look at Canyon again....... more money but a lot more bike spec for spec now
I don’t think Canyon have an aero bike anywhere near this price.
@@Mapdec evening 👍 they don't but for £800 more you get Ultegra R8000, deep section DT swiss wheels and you get too pretend you're Van Der poel with the same colour scheme!🤣 thanks again for the content 👏
Tredz have some Merida Reacto 4000's (not all sizes) for £2400, 105 mechanical, GS rear mech, very average wheels
2022 model?
@@Mapdec 2023 model, but just been told by Tredz that it won't be available until June
How do you find the haandsling bike frames?
We did a vid on those a few years back. They are ok, you get what you pay for.
Giant's proprietary seatpost almost kept me from buying mine, I just don't like unique proprietary bits. However, it's actually a great seatpost that I love now. Go figure! 😀👍
I'll hear back when you want a replacement in years to come.
You pay £4.5k for the bike, I imagine you want to ride it for more than a few years.
@@cccpkingu @Unbias I'm sure you're right, except on one point. My bike was only 930 USD! Expensive bikes are surely nice but personally, I don't see what I need there. I'm rocking Alivio level 9 speed and still quite capable of taking KOMs.
I had a question, the TCR Advanced Pro Disc 2 (2022) is currently on discount and is listed at 2600 euros. The propel 2023 is not in discount at 3000. I was now wondering if it is worth the 400 euro extra to go for the propel. The TCR does already have carbon wheels and is a bit lighter anyway. I live on the coast with no hills but I did sign up for the Tour of Flanders with some good climbs. Where I live it is flat and there is usually some wind.I'm also into triathlons so yea
Get the TCR. The propel is a needlessly heavy aero bike of little use to anyone riding slower than 40kph.
@@Mapdec Okay thank you so much! I hope the discount lasts a little longer
@@Mapdec I was also wondering.. the TCR advanced 2 (2022) is on sale for 1899 right now. It has alu wheels but with the savings i could the some Zipp 303s. One thing i don't like is the color tho. It also has a worst saddle and Overdrive tech
@@carloverhamme9322 you can do better than those Zipps.
@@Mapdec What do you suggest? (keeping it in the budget of around 3k in total)
Giant Propel - still the Ford Focus of aero bikes. Wait for it to go on sale (inevitable), get it on the cycle2work scheme, probably cost you about a grand
By the way, you could get a Dolan Ares with Ultegra 8000 for £50 more
Did you see the Dolan series before they got removed?
Well a blink of my eye ago (three years)..before lockdown madness facilitated the biggest wealth transfer in human history ..to the 1%-from everyone else,resulting in prices of everything going through the roof. One could get a decent ‘entry level) Carbon framed 105 Groupo bike for €1200..Ultegra for €1800, that would be lighter and just as fast for most riders as today’s disc brake,heavy,maintenance unfriendly,cheap copy of pro riders €15,000 bike!! Costing twice the price. So can’t celebrate these latest offerings! p.s. am a Campag Record man myself (11 speed of course!)
Defo not to be celebrated. Good post. Thank you.
Biggest scam ever and im not talking about the price of bikes
@@mabozza85 all about control.All misinformation regarding,climate change,USA and NATO proxy war against Russia comming from our Government and the Mainstream Media....thank the Lord for bike riding to get away from all that!
Felix your next comment didnt get put up on here but i read it on my email notification and i totally agree with you 100% Its all lies. Stay safe🤣🤣
has your video cam changed? everything seems very blurry and low quality
It’s weird. The last one is like it too. All looks in focus on the camera, then export for edit it is just ever so slightly out
I bought this bike in Poland for £2294 (without wheels). I put on a 105 Di2 with an Ultegra cassette (11-30) and 50 mm carbon wheels. The bike with pedals, bottle cages and computer holder weighs 8.13 kg (size S). I will replace the steering wheel and stem, it will be under 8 kg :)
Cool. Although I do think it’s very optimistic that a handlebar and stem will save you over a kg
@@Mapdec Edit... Was supposed to be under 8 :)
@@votwomax jeszcze korbę zmień na Ultegrę i osie kół na lekkie drążone i będzie waga spoko, ewentualnie jeszcze kierownicę na Pro Vibe Aero carbon.
@@Pablo_Coach Na korbie urwę 20g i nie będzie to ładnie wyglądać z błyszcząca 105. Osie w Propelu są drążone, wiec nie do końca rozumiem. Zintegrowaną kierę już mam (365g), tylko czeka na montaż. Pro vibe jakieś 35-40g jest cięższa ;)
@@votwomax na samej korbkę 69 gram realnego zysku. Co do osi to nie wiedziałem ze już są lekkie w Propelu, ale radzę zważyć i porównać do np Tokena. Co do kokpitu to jeśli jesteś pewny, ze nie będziesz modyfikował pozycji to ok, ja bym wolał Pro Vibe i mostek osobno.
Merida reacto 4000 you missed it lol!!. Lots cheaper just add wheels.
Would this work as an all day ride or too aggressive?
A fit and flexible rider would probably be more than happy on it all day. However… everyone is different. The geometry could be called aggressive, a ever so slight bias towards TT type geo.
Don’t buy a Giant with Giants tubeless system.
It’s awful and you can’t fit third party tyres if you’re over 80kg.
Good point. I came across that recently actually
PLEASE its us parents that will be paying out £3500 + i added in the £ 500 for the kit extra tubs etc so i say get real start with a alloy because as you know there will be crashes many crashes for me as an EX Pro i didn't start with a top end bike my Fathers hack in fact made with 531 tubing and its still about loved that bike won races on it so forget a £3500 starting point come down to earth and into the real world please.
I’d say this bike is a fair reflection of what we would see in cat 3/4
@@Mapdec I see a lot of higher spec'd bikes in Cat3/4 too. But that's what bike insurance is for, right? :)
@@ssbagley if your racing in Ireland you wont get bike insurance touring or riding to work yes but racing no bike insurance .
Looks a great bike, but the advanced frame is base level, still way overpriced
by at least £1000 !
Have u any experience with Northroad ? Or moda ?
A bit with Moda
@Mapdec Cycle Works cheers love your content, looking to pay £3500 but trying to get a decent aero bike with min ultegra and carbon wheels , very difficult 😀
I just rode the Giant propel advanced 1. Unbelievable fast. as an owner of a Super Six Team Bike I must. say you can't compare them. The Cannondale has a really slack head angle (71.3) and a really long wheelbase 1000 in size m. I think I will gofer the giant, the Cannondale is to boring.
71.3 on a super six? Size Small?
No at size M (54)@@Mapdec
It looks better but the wheels?
I know
Looks fast 2:10 🧐🧐 disc brakes? I guess most people have gotten used to them to the degree that they're "fast" and "aero" now lol
I haven’t met a customer in the last 3 years asking for rim brakes. It’s totally driven by demand.
@@Mapdec if like me you want to keep one old rib brake bike on the road, alongside more modern stuff, no need to go to a shop. People are offloading their old bikes and wheels on eBay. I just got a NOS frame for 30% of retail, and the likes of merlin still have bits for cheap. Disk for winter, rim for sunny days.
I know. Amazing deals on rim brake stuff. I’m just not interested though. Personally, I like disc brakes. They open up much more wheel and tyre choice. I feel this is a good subject for a video.
@@Mapdec but one nice rib brake bike in the shed for old times sake never hurt anyone... Better if you want to fly with a bike too, not that I do anymore. But I fully appreciate I'm living in legacy land here, and I've fully embraced bigger tyres and disks everywhere else, this is just a sunny day special.
Rim vs disc is a classic engineering trade-off, but as a rider you'll have to decide which side of the trade-off you are (weight, terrain, weather, grip strength, training level, etc.)
Please get your hands on a CINELLI PRESSURE and do an extra 5 minutes on it. Thank you
I’ll see what I can do
Tbh, I think most entry level racers will do better with a steel frame bike like the All-City Cosmic Stallion. There's some new evidence coming out that frame aerodynamics don't matter that much, and the ergonomic benefits of a steel frame might outweigh the aero benefits of a carbon frame
I’d be keen read that if you have a link. I’m with you on alu, but not steel. Happy to have my mind changed.
@@Mapdec I unfortunately don't have any hard evidence (though I'd love to see some biketubers test it scientifically!), just the words of people I assume are smarter than me. Jan Heine of Bicycle Quarterly is a huge proponent of steel bikes, and he talks about how their springiness gives you energy back or some such (I'm skeptical; think it's more an improved comfort allowing you to put down more power). Bike Fit Advisor on UA-cam has also talked about how the ergonomic benefits of a custom steel frame will be faster for you than an aero carbon frame. And I haven't seen the video itself, but I watched Waynos Fotos' video commenting on some other biketuber testing a high-end titanium frame against a top aero frame, and the titanium won. Plus Peak Torque's video comparing disc brakes vs rim brakes and finding almost no aero difference, makes me wonder if even Hambini underestimates how turbulent the air is around your frame. He's said that you can have a perfect aerofoil and it'll still perform shit in the eye wall of a hurricane. Do aero frames still have a benefit? yeah probably, but it's too small for us mere mortals to worry about.
Appropriate frame size, fit, geometry is the most important element. At those prices hardly entry level ! ..forget it ….there are no genuine entry level prices - on new) My advice go and find a used Colnago dream / De Rosa Merak frame set in good nick 500 quid, learn to ride rim brakes properly, add your chosen groupset chorus 12 / mech 105 / add decent wheels. A manageable financial proposition. Agree always more important what’s on top of the bike than the other way round.
In crit racing, having light wheels is highly important and yeah when most of the time you are behind many other rides, the frame aero performance starts mattering less.
Its a joke! in 2018 I bougt a 2017 Propel adv 2 with 105 5800 for 1100£ (1200€)
on sale. okay the pound, where low in 2018 10% lower than today. imported it to DK. where the price for a 2018 where 2000€
It’s very similar to the TCR
Yes. It is now you mention it.
They're going down the "one bike to rule them all" model.
For whatever reason, they don’t offer this bike in the US 😢
The Propel or just this 105 version?
@@Mapdec Just the 105 version, and the SRAM Rival version (in red) as well. The cheapest version we gets starts at $5,200 USD. Hopefully they get the cheaper models over here later this year...
All aero bikes look like an sl7 in one way or another, intergrated cables, dropped seat stays, semi deep wheels, sram groupset or shimano, d shaped post. I don't know how you can keep sanity looking at the same type of bike. Still though, been here since hambini video with the dolan fiasco :)
It has always been like this. A big move sparks a trend. Road bikes have little big innovation left, but I am liking how designs are. Is becoming refined and the practical elements are getting the attention they need.
It would of been Alot better if u actually had that bike n ur room so we can all look at it
Only the channels that get paid for reviews will have that. It is tempting to try that 28 day policy. Buy it, review it and return it.
@@Mapdec if u advertise bikes on ur channel I bet day will let u review it and ride it because alot of bike company's are losing alot of money right now because no one is buying bikes anymore or riding them anymore and so there dropping there prices down on their bikes
I don’t want to be accountable to any advertisers or brands. We don’t sell bikes. Completely service only. I like it this way.
Love your videos! However they seem to be somewhat out of focus, maybe something you can have a look into.
Pricing is absurd these days, as we all know. I agree this year's model is looking waaaay better than the previous generation. That hideous stem is finally gone.
Someone else mentioned that too. Looks ok on mobile. Must have knocked something. Thanks for watching.
*On smaller bikes, the trail is elongated* mainly because they keep the same fork to save on manufacturing and inventory (more skus) costs. So to avoid major toe overlap they reduce substantially the head angle.
You may still get a little toe overlap because they put a 170mm crank instead of a 165mm, again, to save on manufacturing costs and inventory (more skus) costs.
Smaller bikes would benefit from 650c wheels to maintain a 73° head angle but the manufacturers have phase these out to, you've guest it, reduce manufacturing and inventory (more skus) costs. Please don't give me that 💩 about cassette ratio issues. It doesn't hold water.
In conclusion, the smaller bikes handle like 💩 but manufacturers have reduced their costs and maintained their profit margin.
Isn't that great kids 👍?
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Great comment. There are good ones out there. I feel this deserves a whole vid.
@@Mapdec
I know because I'm a 5'4" 162 cm man that is very frustrated by bike manufacturers.
My 2021 TCR size small has HORRIBLE toe overlap. It's dangerous in traffic and doing U turns.. i have to always remember
It's a very good looking bike but think I'll pass..... I'd never fit any of their off the shelf sizes unless you get to "pick'n'mix".... I'd be looking for the "XS/S" ETT, with the headtube length of the M or L as I've got long legs/short torso...seeing as it's "slammed" and follows all the latest cable jamming fashions if I went for the M the 100mm stem would be way too long, cranks too long and 36/52, sh*t for hilly areas with an 11-30 cassette, SS derailleur so maxed out at 30T, and the seatpost looks minimally offset too, any wriggle room there to get it forward....? It's got a PF BB, no thanks (Has Hambini reamed Giant?!)...
That's the kind of bike you'd buy and spend the rest of your time (and money) replacing everything on it because there's SFA adjustability, and it still wouldn't fit properly!! You'd have a box of spares so big you could start a bike shop lol
Good rant. That’s where I was hoping this video would go, but prices have got so high it makes the custom build very hard.
@@Mapdec Sorry for it sounding like a rant lol.... I was lucky enough to fit what CRC were offering in the 105 rim package, upgraded the SS to GS and the 11-30 to 11-34 but all is not lost the "spare mech+derailleur" will be coupled with the £70 Sensah Team Pro shifters on their way from China to upgrade my bike on the KICKR for a better close ratio gearbox.... (You must've seen Merlins silly prices last week on Shimano- picked up a "spare" 105 chainset for £99 because I doubt you could even source 2 individual chainrings for that! (Even the "SenicX" chainsets from AliExpress are dearer than £99!!) At risk of repeating myself, some may call it "hoarding" but I'm future proofing my biking, I think big changes are already underway and it's heading to dog eat dog for survival for many companies...??
@@monetaryjack1705 oh god yeah. We bought a ton of stock from Meon last week. Cheaper than trade!
The pros are less than 1% of all cyclists.
All sizes M/54 and below have toe overlap, unless it's a mtb or a folder.
Ummm.
@@Mapdec As a rule of thumb, all 700c road bikes with front centre measurement below ~610mm have toe overlap. I'm approximating the value as shoe size plays a big role as well, but people riding M/54cm and below don't have, usually, large feet.
@@Mapdec as a practical test for you, a bike shop owner, you can simply clip in a shoe in a size 54 frame or smaller to test it. You can also do the math if you're keen on it, google the formula.
Canyon?
Maybe
Merida reacto 4000 is almost £700 cheaper
Wow. I haven’t actually seen a Merida for a while.
@@Mapdec the 4000 was my first race bike, picked it up for £2050 I think they go for £2250 now with full 105. Loved it so much I got myself the team edition this year
Too bad Giant is can't pay their bills???
I think that will soon be forgotten. I doubt it will amount to anything significant
@Mapdec Cycle Works wahoo is about to go under too... better get your trainers while you still can lol
I think we will be ok.
Your cheeks are looking rather rosy this evening 😀
Been training 😘
Hahaha skinny seat post 😂
Unfortunately PF BB. Automatic disregard for me :/
Yeah but Giant do PF well, they make their own frames and can build them with a round bottom bracket shell, I don't know of anyone that has problems with a Giant PF.
Nice looking bike but looks a complete rip off of the BMC teammachine
Cervelo Soloist???
Lol. Frame is £3000, but somehow a full 105 build is just £3500.
@@Mapdec Like Mrs. THATCHER said MAGIC of the MARKETS!!!!
@@jaredfontaine2002 😂 Maggie in Lycra
@@Mapdec Keep your dirty dreams to yourself Tory Boy 😆
@@Mapdec funnily enough the cervelo is cheaper in the us than the giant. I don’t get any 105 Propels here. All electronic starting at 6k.
I will never buy a frame with pressfit BB again.
Yeah but Giant do PF well, they make their own frames and can build them with a round bottom bracket shell, I don't know of anyone that has problems with a Giant PF.