How GM Dominated the Modern HD Truck Market
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2022
- Throughout the 1980s and 1990s the heavy-duty truck market exploded as Dodge began implementing the use of Cummins engines and Ford continued to develop their IDI engines. By 1994, Dodge was seeing redesigned their trucks and saw massive success and by 1999, Ford had released their all new Super Duty F-series trucks.
While Ford was enjoying also enjoying massive new success with their new platform and impressive 7.3L Powerstroke engine they introduced earlier in the 90s, GM was hard at work developing a new platform, an entirely new truck with a new drivetrain and engine with the hopes of blowing the doors off of both Dodge and Ford.
And that's exactly what they did in the coming years.
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Correction: GM didn’t launch the Silverado HD and Sierra HD GMT 800 until 2001, because after the Detroit debacle, they wanted to wait until the Duramax was completely ready to go.
I haven't researched it, but anecdotally, I see a lot more F-350 and 450s doing heavy towing, and also Cummins Dodges, than the GM HDs.
Ya i dnt see any gm/chevy towing heavy. All i see hauling big loads 17K + is dodge and ford. I drive a 18 3500 cummins high output with a few things done and a built tranny and i tow between 17k and about 30k regularly hauling equipment for work and my dodge does it beautifuly. I drove my bosses 2022 ford 3500 because he wanted me to "see how awsome it was". I will say it makes great powe. I'd still put a tuner, exhaust, & air intake on it. But the real problem is there damb exhaust brake. It does pretty much nothing compared to my cummins. I live in northern California in the mountains and with out the exhaust brake towing that kinda weight youll smoke your brake pretty damb quick.
@@nathanwoten6236 "damn", not damb.
@@nathanwoten6236 For years GM trucks where not rated to haul any where close to what Ford and Dodge did.
I think it was in this last model change that their started rating their trucks to what Ford and Dodge rate theirs.
Everybody I know who runs a hotshot rid run Dodge right now.
I was looking to get into hot shotting, so I called this one company and talked to them, I told them that I was planning on running a Superduty and they told me they don't hire on anyone running anything but Dodge or a Ford with a cat swap.
Now this was 5 or 6 years ago at the least, so all of that may have changed, I don't know.
I ended up buying a box truck and later a couple of single axle Freightliners with sleepers before my business went bust.
@@nathanwoten6236 Oh my goodness gracious, what did we all do before exhaust brakes?!?! I’ve never smoked a set of brakes in my life, and haven’t had anything with an exhaust brake until last year. It’s a 22 Chevy and it holds speed with or without the camper behind it. Just because it won’t slow you down (whether you want to slow down or not) doesn’t make it bad. Also, I’m on the interstates a lot and I see plenty of GM duallies pulling hotshot.
Laughs in snapped ball joints
In all honesty though. Ride quality is far better because of the IFS. Engine options were much better back in the day. Transmissions were much more reliable than the competitors, and for a while in the early 2000’s I think the interiors were better than the competitors as well.
@@mikewill3176Interiors in the GM trucks are trash in the early 2000s. Cheap flimsy plastics that creek and rattle like crazy. I haven’t seen an early 2000s GM with 150,000+ that had all of their door handles either. I just don’t get it. Ford uses higher quality plastics where it matters. The arm rest, doors. Etc. Where you touch the most and gets the most wear.
@@user-jb5mc9lo9w see them all the time on the side of the highway. Won’t lie they ride much better but it’s definitely a weak link. Other brands do it too.
The way you speak in these videos makes all the difference. Id love to see a similar video on dodge and ford
If you owned a 6.0 or 6.4 and bought a 6.7 you are a true Ford man
Owned a 6.0 and 6.4, learned my lesson and got a Cummins
Also an idiot lol
Learned my lesson after the 7.3 ram only.
I you owned a 6.0 and voluntarily buy a 6.4.... you hate your bank account 😂
I owned 1 6.0 2 6.4's and 2 6.7's never a issue with any of them, drove them all over maintained them properly towed big boats packed campers etc I'll only buy a Ford or a Ram no Chinese GM product in my driveway.
I remember the gm frame flex test vs ford, ride quality can’t be beat by gm, funny how the 6.6L is still around after all these years, must be a good engine! Plus a great transmission!
I've got one. 2004 GMC Sierra 2500HD, Duramax LB7 with Allison Series 1000 transmission. Jost about to hit 510,000 miles. Daily driver. Gets about 18.5 MPG. It is showing its age just a bit though. It'll probably outlast me.
I have only owned GM cars and trucks and had no major problems with any of them I had a 1999 GMC Sierra with 321000 miles on it when I sold it with everything still working great job GM
Great channel. I'm loving it. Very educational.
But wait, doesn’t ford outperform the duramax? Not only in sales, but performance?
It does, the newest GMs are the lowest rates for in class towing and hauling as well.
Yes, and yes.
Not really in sale, if you combine the gmc and Chevrolet they out sale ford trucks
@@thest1g734 GMC and Chevy are basically the same....it's just that GMC is Top-Of-The-Line to Chevy
@@borla4491 Right now marketed as an upscale Chevy. Used to be the opposite. Cadillac and GMC, still a Chevy truck. Billy Durant bought Chevy to take back control of GM. Chevy has been the heart of GM for a long time.
15:41 minor gripe, they actually used the K2XX platform starting in 2015, but it did carry over the same powertrain from the previous GMT 900 trucks
I still love my 2007 GMC Classic 2500 LBZ. Now with a built to 800 HP transmission and a 64 mm turbo along with upgraded head studs 10mm cp3 and S&S injectors, high flow exhaust manifolds and up pipes, 3” down pipe. Pulls hard and flippin fun to drive.
Please Do a video on the 6.2/6.5 V8 Detroit Diesel engine, and the Oldsmobile V8 5.7 diesel
He covers the 6.2 and 6.5 in the Duramax video
@@rysterstech Still not enough.
the gmt 800 independant suspension is never a problem ever! You couldnt possible get enough weight over the front to fuck it up unless you are destroying your truck on purpose. These trucks have been hotshot rigs for lots of people for two decades now and they do just fine. The independant suspension hate comes from angry dodge guys that are upset that they get death wobble every 40k miles
The major disadvantage is offroad performance , thats about it
@@UAE_8100 Thats about all I could see
I felt the death wobble part 😂😂😂
Not made for towing and working if you actually use truck for work chevy truck front end is weak
@@CoyoteFTW Bhahahaha whatever you say man
I have a stock 2002 Duramax GMC had to rebuild it at 560,000 love that truck
You skipped the 5.7 diesel
I had it in my gmc and had no complaints
How GM Dominated the Modern HD Truck Market? GM had some help from the 6.0 and 6.4 Powerstrokes, that's how.
The only good engine provided by ford was the 7.3 and that was by international.
@@thisguy1833 The 6.7 has proven to be very strong and reliable.
@@dmandman9 it still lacks in towing capability and can’t be turned up to as much as it’s competitors.
@@thisguy1833 actually I believe Ford has the highest tow rating right now and the highest power output for 2023. I'm not speaking of being modified. I don't know much about that. But it's great straight out of the box. The other engines are good too and have their strengths. But the 6.7 hangs right with them. You can currently make a case for the Duramax, power stroke, or the Cummings today. They're all great. Thankfully the nightmare of the 6 0 and 6.4 are well behind Ford
@@dmandman9 I was not talking completely about tow rating, but the capability it has at towing capacity. The experience is a lot better towing experience at capacity than the fords
I miss the 90s , good times
Same. & I was born in 87'. Already missed it when 2000 was about to roll in(although 2000 & 01 was like an extension of 1999)
I preferred the 80's, lol. I went from 14 to 25 in that decade. 😁
@@jeffrykopis5468 awesome as well , if only I had a Time Machine I’d leave these times behind
@@Jhollywood3698 I'd go back and only date GREEN eyed girls. I now know those are the wildest, horniest, naughtiest, and sluttiest of all. I learned it this year from Twitter 😑☹️.
@@Jhollywood3698 hear that.
Man the 8.1 l vortec is a beast wastes so much gas but got 500,000 miles on the dash
I wouldn't really say GM dominates the HD truck market. Look at the truck's actually working, which are the hotshotters. They are almost always Dodge with a few Fords. It is a rarity to see a GMHD with a US DOT number pulling anything. The most I see a GM HD pulling is a camper owned by a private individual. GM and Ford really should've chosen i6 engines for their Duramax and PowerStroke engines. Pretty much all semi trucks these days are I6s, the V8s have died off.
I like the cat eyes best.
The only people that buy Chevy diesels are die hard Chevy fans that would buy them no matter how crappy they are. Anyone who actually works their truck on a regular basis buys a Ford or Dodge. Chevys are, and have always been, play trucks for urban cowboys.
You can say the same thing for y'all Ford guys when ol Henry letting International build crappy 6.bl0w/6.Poor strokers for the super duty trucks and don't get me started about the 3v Triton v8. 😬 Yes Ford build quality trucks and transmissions (never had problems on the gearboxes) but as far as the engines concerned, (D)OHC and V6 twin turbos doesn't belong in a truck unless it's Nissan and Toyota. My two pennies.
Agreed! I hotshot and I work for a major company that uses owner operators and out of about 200 trucks I only know of two guys with Duramax and one of them is trading up to a Cummins.
@@brandedmcgowan9414 yes the international motors were crap. The Tritons get a bad wrap. For the most part if you keep the oil changed their fine. Everything Chevy makes wears out quickly with any kind of rea regular l work. Just look at the people who actually work their trucks and what they drive.
Hey what are some of the things I can make a diesel engine runaway
does a 3/4 ton ride better than a 1 ton? and can you improve the ride with shocks
Kind of, it just coupe leaf spring difference
Unequivically, yes. The 3/4 ton rides much smoother than any 1-ton Ive driven, both single rear wheel and duallies. Not sure about shocks, but Rancho and others offer ADJUSTABLE shocks, so you turn the knob to suit your needs.
As an aside, I have routinely hauled 3000-3500 lbs in my longbed, 2WD, 3/4 ton Chevy GMT-400 trucks. Its not recommended, but I do it monthly. Ive had 4,600 lbs twice, but that's really hard on the trucks.
Why don’t you go by the gvwr, axle capacity and so on? Maybe a video to explain real capacity of trucks in general.
Love the shirt it's hilarious and very clever
I have a 2003 Chevy 2500 6.0 with 140000 miles, Love this truck.
A deleted lmm is just as good or better than a lbz, transmission is better as well. Don’t get me wrong i love and lbz but the trans in the lmm is better
Lol until you have to replace your entire electrical harness and your window motor still prevents your door from unlocking 🤣
I don't always like corny t-shirts.
But when I do...
At what point does it becomes silly and you should really have a medium duty truck and maybe even air brakes to haul your 40,000lb excavator. I’d rather have a bullet proof, last forever, never rust out truck that would do a modest maybe 18,000lb.
I agree, I would rather have a well balanced truck than a truck with just one crazy selling point (tow rating) I never had to pull more than 30k and most people dont pull with these trucks at all.
Yea. Depending on the trailer setup, I wouldn’t feel comfortable with 36,000 lbs behind anything but a heavy duty tandem truck.
What's the point of doing half capacity?
Imo anything that will tow enough to put you over 26k pounds is aimed at cdl hotshotters and farmers. They’re marketed to all consumers for bragging rights, and also to make way more money, of course.
Nearly all of the tow trucks in our city are fords and rams . I hardly ever see a GM tow truck .
We have always had GM trucks, have a 94 1500, 04 2500HD and 07 suburban. All have been very reliable. I love the looks of the GMT900 HDs. Might be my favorite. Im a mechanic in the rust belt, i see all types of trucks come in. In my experience, ive seen more GM frames, half ton or fully boxed HD, rotted out than any other trucks. GMs nox-rust wax coating is not adequate for protection in salty states. I had a beautiful 2014 2500HD Duramax in the other week, 107,000 miles, frame is scaley, rusty, and rear leaf spring brackets rusted out. Not even 10 years old. If you have a 1500, youll probably eventually have to do a cam and lifters when the DOD craps out. Overall these are good trucks but have their faults. In my opinion, buy a 2500 without DOD and keep up on the wax frame coating (they sell touch up cans) and it will last forever
Just say “heavy duty PICKUP truck”.
I disagree i wouldn't considerit dominating. Gm is not very creative at all. For one gmc and chevy might as well just share a badge. I'll admit though, being the first to have 4 doors was big, however they were the last to build a diesel engine worth buying.
Because Lincoln couldn't sell any Blackwoods
In-line 6 only
I love my duramax diesel trucks❤
Ford had the twin I beam frontend.
Ford out sold chevy
I always heard the reason guys doing actual heavy duty truck work didn't drive GM was because their front ends were made of a blend of soft cheeses. Of course this was in the early 00's. But still, Alberta oilfield in those years was 60% Dodge, 30% Ford, 10% hope one of the previous two were around to help get you home 😂
That suspension belongs under a Prius and the motor belongs in a Isuzu npr
Gmt 455 was the hd chassis gm made for a light truck
Hey can you do a video on the 5.4 Triton v8 please
Not a diesel
Since when did GM dominate the HD truck market? I see far more Super Duty & Ram HD trucks.
I see some GM HDs out and about just pulling a camper but the ones pulling equipment and heavy loads are generally in my area Dodges, some fords. Even the local county and city maintenance guys drive dodges, some fords but rarely ever. Never see Chevy gmc being used by water dept or electric company lol
Gm never dominated anything what are you talking about? Those trucks just won’t turn among other things!
Waiting for the duramax to go over 500hp!
Wait forever GM is owned by China now should’ve let them sink in 2010 garbage
I have always been a Gm guy I just love the body lines and even tho they are not perfect to me they are very reliable I have owned a few of them now I have an 06 1500 4x4 with the 5.3l with around 190k and still running strong 🦾🦾🦾Happy Thanksgiving to everyone 🦃🦃🦃👍👍👍
This video is about HD
The 6.5 sucked
GM was never on top of the hd truck market.
If anybody out there has got questions about the duramax capability all they have to do is watch some videos of a guy named Tyler who's got a badass red Chevy and he does tug of war with a Peterbilt. That dude built his truck right.
Ford and Dodge dominate the big truck market always have
GM domination in heavy duty? I see Ford/Dodge towing way more often than GM. I won’t deny they look good but where I’m at it’s a rarity to see a GM over the other two
And now they are way too expensive... 👀
The 6.5 was trash and the 6.6 was made by isuzu... so why exactly are we patting GM on the back? Is is because they get outsold and make less power?
Where is the Aisin transmission made?
GM JUST UNVEILED THERE NEW L5P WITH 470HP AND 975LBFT OF TORQUE KEEPING THINGS CONSERVATIVE AGAIN , BUT WITH 4.54:1:FIRST GEAR IN TOW/HAUL MODE , ITS PUTTING DOWN ALL THAT TORQUE
IFS in a heavy duty truck......dog****
Yeah heavy duty and IFS don’t belong in the same sentence that’s weak
Just mad you get death wobble every 50k miles 😂
Still got to replace everything with IFS every 50 to 70,000 as well
The Chevey duramax is the best engine created by human hands
How do you dominate when you get outsold by Ford super duty for every year since they were introduced? Clickbait bullshit
McDonald's probably sells the most hamburgers, doesn't mean they're the best.
Because Lincoln couldn't sell any Blackwoods
@@dannuccio5842GM is the definition of Subpar 😂
Ford > GM
Ford is the most reliable truck besides Toyota. End of convo
And yet ford is the best selling truck 😏
Cause Lincoln couldn't sell blackwoods
McDonald's sells the most burgers,I'd still never eat one.
@@h8troodoh yeah except anyone can afford a burger but not everyone can afford a new truck. moronic analogy
@@PhatsoJuggalo806 it's an analogy easily understood by the typical Ford owner.. mouth breather...🤣🤣
@@h8troodoh only understood by the inbred chevy owners
Incest runs deep within those 🤷🏽♂️
I will never like the look of the third generation of the Chevy that is body is horrendous if I had to choose between a third gen ram or this I would go with the ram I would only take a second forth or fifth gen Chevy third gen is not an option
FUC DEF
GOBBLESS GMT800 BETS TRUCK EBER BUILT
Always better then Ford, but I will always be a CUMMINS guy.
Why? Has a Cummins accomplished something flabbergasting recently?
Most people its because of the simplicity of the design.
They dont even give us a Cummins in our field service trucks. We have a 3126 in a Kodiak or a C7 in the 7500 or Ford F750.
@@roundsm18 very good in the semi-trucks.
@@antor.j.medrano I've had two rigs with Cummins and both of them gave me problems after they hit 400k, other drivers put around 300k on them, so they might've been run hard or they were just lemons, but the whole thing turned me away from Cummins. I decided to buy a 2000 Kenworth W900L with a Cat 3506c. After 300k of my own miles, it's still running just fine and hope for 3+ million more.
@@caleb420420 bcuz modern emissions, it does it to every engine.
@caleb420420 CAT was, is, and will always be a superb diesel choice, no matter the vocation.
Ford. Fix Or Repair Daily. Need I say more people.
But it’s the best selling
Educate yourself !
@@jrichhy4321 I’m a mechanic dude. I’ve fixed more Fords than Chevys.
Yes, but your shirt just blew it's transmission.
If you're talking about domination look at Ford new high output Power Stroke 500 horses with 1,200 lb of torque that's domination buddy not this little GMC with only 975 pound feet of torque
Ya but ford's have more problems than a homeless meth head so.....
My son is a diesel truck mechanic, he said Ram are the most comfortable and the Cummins is the easiest to work on. The GM trucks are the best driving and most reliable. The Fords have put his daughter through college for becoming a nurse, and they pay all his bills and give him spending money.
Ooooohhh getem Rob! Also if I may add fords look gross
Yeah, but 975ft lbs is a lot still! But don’t worry gm will go over 500hp with the next update, can’t wait! But gm has been building good trucks since 2001, always improving the next generations! But yeah can’t beat the IFS if you wanna jump your truck! 😉 also whistlin diesel runs gm trucks to beat for a reason! They last!
As someone who works on all 3 and wouldn't want any of them... ford makes me the most money. Just sayin.
The Perfect truck, is a Chevy, 2500 or 3500, With a Cummins
No thanks I'm ford all the way