Here's the thing..... Take Beyoncé out of the picture and the CMA awards is still racist. Tanner Adell wasn't nominated? No Reyna Roberts ANYWHERE? Shaboozey is nominated for best new artist and for best single (which, yay! Happy for him) but Post Malone is nominated in every other damn catagory! Not to mention that T-Pain had writing credits on many country singles that hit the charts and he couldn't so much as even have his name listed without a barrage of racist insults from so called "country fans". So yeah. It's racist. I say that with my chest. I stand on that hill.
@@KettleBlacktheBat I didn't even know about all that. These awards are crazy racist and it's so upsetting bc we BUILT the genre yet white people hijacked it like they always do
black people create the best art so white ppl can claim it as their own. the best musicians are black. period. and now we know a ton of those songs were written by black folks likeeee
@@jasonhaven7170 there was an article that came out in Feb. He basically said that he stopped pushing for credit because of the racism he faced behind the scenes. So he’s either writing under a pseudonym or done with writing for country music altogether.
People are saying Beyonce isn't "country" enough as if Taylor Swift didn't break away from the country genre and makes straight up pop music now and STILL gets invited to CMAs and has her NON-COUNTRY POP MUSIC winning in CMA categories. It's absolutely just racism.
You're absolutely right and I agree with you. But I do want to point out, for the sake of accuracy, that the last time Taylor won a CMA was as a songwriter. The song, "Better Man", won in 2017 when she was no longer in country music, BUT she wrote the song many, many years before when she was still in country music and then gave the song to a country music band, and their recording of the song was what won the award. Exact same scenario with a song in 2018. Wrote it before Red came out (so 2012 or earlier), shelved the song, then gave it away to Sugarland and featured on the song many years later, and this song didn't even win its award. In 2022 a very country song that was released as part of her rerecording project (and as such was a vault song from, you guessed it, pre-2012) got nominated. It did not win. The only work I would say she was nominated for at the CMAs that I don't consider truly country is her album Red in 2012. She wasn't considered a fully pop artist at this time, though, so I almost understand the nomination. But I still think the album wasn't country enough for consideration of this award. (And she didn't win for this album.) So that's what I would point to in making your point about CMAs racism against Beyonce. Red had country influences and blended genres, yet was nominated, and Cowboy Carter wasn't. And that's, to me, definitely an illustration of CMAs racism. (But Taylor's non-country music never won any CMAs, and her non-country music is not getting nominated.)
@@cardiganweather Red was the exact album I was thinking of specifically. Taylor isn't the only example either, just the one that came to my mind off the top of my head. Her other music not winning or having music with country roots win is besides the point to me, because she jumped genres and got nominated. Her other nominations since leaving the genre also show that they're willing to accept "country" from a genre jumper when Taylor says it's "her roots", but a southern black woman is not also allowed to explore her own roots with country music despite black music being integral to the roots of country and bluegrass. It literally just reeks of racism.
Look at when Lil Nas X did Old Town Road. Nashville was already up and arms about it. It's not surprising that there is racism and even sexism in the CMA's and country as a whole.
Even when Billy Ray Cyrus featured they started turning on Billy, these folks are just crybabies . Big Billy Ray fan here too, that was disrespect for all the years he has been in the music industry….
@@graceancrum329 and Post Malone used hip-hop and R&B to get big. folks called him out as a culture vulture and his turn to that years ago. their caucacity knows no bounds...
They only gave Tracy Chapman a CMA because old boy's cover was a big song that year. Had it come out today with a black artist, despite his doing nothing instrumentation wise to "make it country", it would have been snubbed.
I feel like you could put Morgan Wallen, Kane brown or Lainey Wilson on any production, trap beats, rock, edm - their twang is so strong that the vocal performance on the track is going to give Country regardless. 🤷🏾♂️
@jasonhaven7170 West Indian here... 💯 on what you said. And then outside of America, so many other genres of music were created by blk people. Soca, Calypso, Reggae and Dance hall, AfroBeats; Ampiano and the others I can't name lol. And I'm pretty sure in the South American countries there's more to be listed. We are a very talented bunch😊❤
Even Hic Hop is a thing (that makes my ears bleed from cringe) yet no one can call them out publicly bc they're white people imitating (butchering) music that originated with black people... but when it's the other way around suddenly country is only for white people lol.
Luke Bryan's comments are especially dumb when not only is Beyonce from Houston and she performed at the 2016 award show, but Keith Urban is a massive country singer and the man is AUSTRALIAN. Not gonna state the obvious, but bffr Luke
@@TheTranquilMadnessBecause _he is not Australian._ Americans just think Aussies and Kiwis are the same. Turns out they're, in fact, completely different countries
Since when is Houston “country”? Houston is a massive, sophisticated city. It’s not about where you’re from, it’s where you’re at. You can’t just walk into a new genre from outside and expect them to bow down for you. Did Beyoncé pay her dues in the country genre? Did she go to radio stations? Did she play country festivals? How can someone from another genre just make a country album and think they’re gonna be nominated above all the other artists on that genre who are paying their dues in the culture? Keith Urban may be Australian but he came to Nashville and did the work. So did Shania Twain from Canada.
@@oronbaba Did the work? Taylor made country music and she lived in a mansion in Pennsylvania. You just think black women and black people at large aren’t allowed to participate in the culture they CREATED
I love that country artist having shit to say about Beyonce not being "country" enough when most of the top "country" artist aren't even from the US! The unmitigated GALL of it all lol
Plus all the "real country" artists nowadays are just stealing hooks from songs in other genres, putting a honkey-tonk twang on it, and changing the lyrics to be about beer or whatever. Such a creatively bankrupt genre, not surprised it attracts morally bankrupt people.
@@ItsAaron7602 of the BIGGEST COUNTRY MUSIC ARTISTS ARENT EVEN AMERICAN BUT A FULL BLOWN AMERICAN WOMAN FROM HOUSTON TEXAS OF ALL PLACES CANT DO COUNTRY?????? hypocrisy
Damn, this is the exact problem with "color blindness", so thank you. Like yes, in a society where these issues have been "solved" (whatever that means) race would be irrelevant and it might actually be weird to talk about it. But that's step 58,731. We're on step 3.
It is. And everyone country in the world can see that and accept it other than paranoid Americans who just WANT to be the victim ... her album sucked.. get over it
People think just because slavery and segregation is gone, racism was magically solved. It was not. Horrific things still happen to black people way too often and no one bats an eyelash about it.
I vividly remember they LOVED Ol’ Town Road before they found out Lil Nas X was black. When the song first dropped the artist was a mystery and all the country folks loved it. Then they found out who the artist was and all of a sudden people were saying it wasn’t country. So yes I agree they’re racist.
Wait really? I don't recall that reaction as much as people on a couple sides going like "this is being released too many times" when it got remixed so much lol
@@Ryzard yeah all that was after his reveal. Initially the song went ultra viral on SM. So much so that it eventually made it to the Billboard. That’s around when he was essentially “revealed” because a bunch of record labels wanted to sign him. After he was signed is when he started doing remixes and did ads for Wrangler jeans. He was then removed from the country billboard charts also a lot of conservatives were publicly boycotting Wrangler jeans. People were out here burning the ish they already paid for smh.
I'm getting sick of the answer being yes and nobody involved being ashamed of that. And of the existence of systemic racism still being challenged. I'm fortunate to not have any friends/family who are racist and I still get secondhand embarrassment at it every time I hear things like this. White people are culture vultures who stole so much of their identity from a race they enslaved and continue to oppress for absolutely no reason. Racism is cringe. I'm cringe enough without my racial association. (EDIT: Tell me why I just got a notification for a Dropout TV video titled "How to Email Like a White Lady"...... This isn't funny)
@@CarsoDeckwell technically it has a color to us, because blue light is scattered all over the place AND fun fact: we can see light. so the sky is blue to us
The Pointer Sisters’ first Grammy win was in the Best Country Vocal Performance by a Group or Duo category for the song ‘Fairytale’ in 1974. They were invited to a party honouring Grammy winners that year, and when they showed up to the venue they were mistaken for catering staff and sent to the kitchen. They were the first Black group to perform at the Grand Ole Opry. Several of the audience members didn’t know they were Black until they saw them on stage, and heckled them. Protestors showed up outside their concerts with signs saying “keep country country” and other slogans containing slurs. They had begun recording a country album, but went back to making r&b music after the backlash. It’s so sad that this is still happening 50 years later.
Ok the "Well, if she would have TRIED to hang out with us, it would be different" But she fkn did and they treated her like garbage. That's the most evil form of the "bless your heart" style of behavior I have never NOT heard this when someone where I'm at talks about mistreatment, it's such middle school behavior eta: I guess I worded things weird, my apology. I am from Texas, when people say "if you just came up to us to say hi" it is a backhanded comment. What they mean is "if you came to us knowing your place in our community, maybe we would have been nice." It has happened to me all my life an an autistic person that didn't pass well. It is straight up malicious.
It doesn't even matter when country fans are literally admitting that they're welcoming to Post Malone but hate Beyonce. Even if she wanted to be part of the community, it's not SAFE for her to do so. The onus is now her instead of the country music community to welcome her. They don't want her there but don't want to look like the bad guys.
@@prettynpetty8342 I'm from the south, the whole "if you had came to us we would have been nice!" translates to "if you had come to us knowing your place, we might have liked you... maybe" eta I completely agree with you. I'm pointing out they are doing double speak where if you know you know and if you don't you'd think they were nice. They're just demonic and gross.
Texas just passed a law to not save pregnant women - so pregnancy can be a greater death sentence, and a woman is essentially property at this point. So, you're really surprised by this behavior?
It’s like what happened with Rock. Lot of black artists and musicians originated the sound but it was hijacked and then people tell you that “you don’t belong”. The hate against black people for contributing and merely existing is beyond disgusting
When you have a population that is only 13% of the population but commits 54% of crime, it's not exactly a great way of promoting positive attitudes to that said population.
@@jadebel7006 thank you for proving a huge point. It’s not just about Beyoncé it’s the historical treatment of Blacks overall in the music industry and other industries as well. And they may not have said it with words but it was said with their actions and the snub. Learn to read and read between the lines jack ass.
I think for me it's like post Malone was literally a rapper but he then decided to make country music and he was accepted but beyonce who grew up in Texas and ALWAYS talked about her roots (despite making r&b) has not
When Misogyny and racism meet that's the result unfortunately, she deserves to be nominated since she's genuine about it and seems to love making country music
Post Malone has had a weird journey of music tho. He moved to Texas when he was 9, but was into rock and heavy metal. His first venture as a professional musician was in a heavy metal band. When he went solo, he then ventured into hiphop music and started rapping. And even during that time, he was citing Bob Dylan and Johnny Cash as some of his influences. The album before his venture into country was also synth-pop and dance. But obviously as a white man, he didn’t really have to fight his way to be accepted by country fans and the CMA.
Her album sucks!! That’s the heart of the matter. It isn’t doing well on the charts, nobody but Twitter likes it, it bombed. Therefore: no nominations.
So zero space for critical thinking hu Or does two words ONLY apply when talking about how ALL people who have been burned and raised in United States of America, should learn the complete history of their country. Talking about *_EXPECTING ON A SILVER PLATER_* anything just because (insert person of any color, background/ethnicity/etc) is the way to go? Should y’all be happier if beyonce got the Grammy JZ was demanding, and ALL the recognition as the best, the most, the only country talent that has ever been on country music history? Hand me downs, are they really worth it??
Short answer Y Long answer: N (based on opinion of her trash ass effort to make nothing) Longer answer: Y they are but conflating the two is not the smartest bc she sucked, her cover sucked and this was unprecedented nothingness.and I wouldn't offer awards for that either. 😂
saying a woman who is from and loves Texas, has PERFORMED at a CMA Awards before, and collabed with a ton of country artists on the country album in question isnt being a part of the family is so stupid man 😭
This entire issue reminds me of how MTV didn't want to play Michael Jackson's "Billie Jean" because they believed that Black music wasn't "rock" enough for their audience (until then-CBS president Walter Yetnikoff threatened to pull his label's artists from MTV if they weren't gonna put the song in rotation.) Black people have been making all different kinds of music and it's been so insane to witness grown people whine and cry online that Beyoncé made a country album back when it came out. Truly unhinged behavior.
Even after that, for a long while you would get a random MJ or Prince video and nothing else(outside latenight Yo MTV Raps), VH1 played Whitney very rarely and few other R&B crooners. You had to watch BET or the Boxx(formerly Jukebox Network) where people called in to a 1-900 and paid a few bucks to play a video. Until MTV opened up, that was how I watched most non-rock videos and smaller artists.
@monbub they honestly had no choice bc he dominated the charts all summer. I'm sure it was a nomination done begrudgingly. I hope he's treated well if he performs or wins.
Thank you so much for talking about the overlap between “new country” and black country artists. Born and raised Texan, and anyone that tried to say racism isn’t still a huge problem in the south is being willfully ignorant for very suspicious reasons
I (a black girl) went to a PWI (predominantly white institution) university and my dorm roommate had two HUGE confederate flags (think blankets) and she would hang them in our dorm room. This was Texas. My mom was pissed. I was way too meek back then to go off on her...
moved to Texas from Alabama last year, and the most "progress" you get is white people burying their heads in the sand after spouting Lost Cause Confederacy propaganda with their entire chest.
@@ASprinkleofAnime Same. There were several on the houses near the predominantly black school I went to and I see a lot of Trump flags/banners now as well
By pretty much every metric except hype, Shaboozey's song was a bigger country song than Texas Hold Em. It's prolly gonna be the number 1 song of the year on Billboard overall
please someone inform me who gave a shit when Post did country. like i have no recollection of any internet buzz over that. somehow more norms tho??? we love racist white folks!
People screaming at Beyonce at the CMA's immediately calls to mind that famous picture of Hazel Bryan walking into her new school during desegregation, and that white woman just screaming at her with her full throat.
There's a MTV interview with David Bowie from 1983 where he questions why there are so few black artists featured on MTV and if they are it’s only a few from 2:30 am - 6:00 am. The Interviewer Mark Goodman tries to justify it saying 'MTV’ thinks people in the ‘mid-west’ would be “scared to death to see Prince and other black faces.” David calls him out on the BS. Funny that these ‘kids’ are cool with Kiss or Metallica, or Iron Maiden but Prince and Michael Jackson (both from the mid-west by the way) will scare them to death. It’s Wild 🤯
I’ve seen that video and he’s so fkn right. I was a white MTV kid and we were allowed to watch IT and Nighmare on Elm Street but a black singer would give us a jump scare? (It wouldn’t, by the way. It’s just another bogus “protect the children” claim.) Why the hell do we have to keep protecting the racists while they call the rest of us snowflakes?
The Midwest afraid of Prince? You mean Prince Nelson Rogers of MPLS, MN? Our hometown hero since the ‘70s? It’s the same now as back then, costal elites thinking they know anything about us or our people. Meanwhile Minnesota is about to have the first Native American state governor in US history and our current whitebread dad of a governor is going to the White House for his lifelong progressive, anti racist, pro women stances. They never listen and always act surprised when we don’t show up as illiterate bumpkins. 😂
To be fair, Dolly Parton also didn't want to accept a nomination into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because except for a few certain songs, she said that isn't her genre.
@@jjacks50 now that's just ridiculous. Dolly of all people should know that ROCK N ROLL is bigger than the rock genre. Anyone who so much as sings over a guitar and has reached legend status is qualified for that honor
So they are asking if Beyonce's song was country enough...i guess they are forgetting all the Taylor Swift albums that still got CMA awards AFTER she switched completely away from country in her 2012 album. She's gotten 5 CMA awards and was nominated 15 times since 2012. So suddenly a song considerably more country than Swift has produced in over a decade, yet they somehow ask if it's 'country enough'....their racism is showing
@@ttw4s most of them were female vocalist of the year or entertainer of the year, and other artist awards. For songs themselves there were Better Man, Babe, & I Bet You Think About Me. Better Man won multiple.
Fwiw, one of the awards was songwriting credit on Better Man for little big towns performance of it, before she released her own version of it (because it wasn’t on her album because the studio thought it sounded too country)
My husband listens to The Highway on Sirrus XM (their big country station). They played Texas Hold "Em at first, then it suddenly disappeared from it's top 30 list every week and stopped playing it all together, when it was #1 on the charts. It's racism. And yes, Luke Bryant, A LOT of white people were really mad that she made a county album. A LOT! And thank you for pointing out that just about every new country song sounds like Old Town Road.
Keith Urban - Born in New Zealand, then moved to Australia Terry Clark - Canadian Shania Twain - Canadian this is just a few off the top of my head without even having to do an actual Google search...but somehow Beyoncé isn't country enough for them?!
Shania Twain got the "your music is too pop, not real country enough" criticism. Just like Taylor Swift did later on. That's the line used to denigrate white women in country, that they're really doing pop music, not country.
Brother, Terry Clark lived less than an hour away from the Calgary stampede, literally working on a farm, why would she not be allowed to be country? It’s literally the largest rodeo in the world within drive out for the day distance. Y’all will do anything to try and discredit women it’s insane.
@@zackestin1368it’s not the women of it all. It’s the not American of it all. The amount of people who do not even know what Calgary is, let alone The Stamp is staggering and for some reason they always respond that it doesn’t count that it’s the biggest because it CaNaDa.
okay you do realise Canada isn't just Toronto... right? Alberta exists. Alberta is to Canada what Texas is to the US. Being Canadian doesn't explicitly mean you cannot be "country". Like its ridiculous, just say you don't know anything about Canada 😭you've literally made the same mistake as all the people saying Beyonce isn't country enough.
The same people trying to keep Beyonce out of the CMAs, are the same people that were upset when they figured out Darius Rucker was a black man after ‘Wagon Wheel’.
@@MaggotBrain10 Again he's got the man part they like, but Beyoncé's a black women, she's got 2 things against her in their eyes. Just like Lil Nas X being a black man like Darius, but gay. There's levels to their acceptance :/
@@Billibab Who cares? Why the obsession with getting people who don't like you to like you? What does she need a CMA for, anyway? She made her record, some people liked it--a lot, in fact--great. Move on (fans, too).
I could not care less about country music if I tried, but this was definitely a racially-based snub. If she hit the charts and broke a record then wtf else could it be. I'm not surprised after how Lil Nas X was treated in the past, but I'm still disappointed.
Dolly is a smart lady but she can't see everything all the time. Sometimes you don't know the situation is racist until you learn more about it or reflect more on it. But I feel like she'd be open to hearing why other people found it racist and changing her own opinion and that's the key for me.
Dolly was right, though. Dolly is clearly not against Beyonce. She was on the album and she bigged up the effort. But for a woman like her who has given 60 years of her life to the country genre, why would she not stand up and defend her genre?
@@oronbabaShe doesn't have it be against Beyonce tho to just have a bit of a blind spot in this instance, she seems like a real genuine sweet woman with a very caring nature, which is why she probably can't or doesn't want to see that some people in her space aren't coming from a sincere place or are acting in bad faith.
@oronbaba she's definitely not standing up for anything, you missed the point, she's simply trying to figure out why Beyoncé wasn't nominated and she's being positive ( just reflects her mindset)by trying to rationalize it,good job admitting you're racist when other white people did the same as Beyoncé and are still nominated and even won
@@niraxlevi9930 Who did what Beyoncé did and won awards? Which outsider to country music made a country album and rolled it out the way Bey did and got rewarded for it?
I remember when Darius Rucker played the CMA's when he came out with his cover of Wagon Wheel. They had him perform on a stage in the back of the auditorium. Think about that.
cowboy carter is an insane body of work for so many reasons - subject matter/lyrics: slavery, racism, generational trauma, alcoholism, adultery, reconciliation, yearning, motherhood, sex, romance. production: the live instruments/orchestras, the blending of bluegrass, rock, country, trap, r&b, funk and rap. sequencing: the way the album flows like a car radio station over the course of a drunken night as the character she’s playing grieves her way through her situation!!! such a smart way to tell the story vocals: HELLO?!?????????!!!! american requiem, daughter, yaya, bodyguard?!?!!! cultural impact: paying homage to country’s black roots, shining a light on those who weren’t respected, giving a platform to a whole range of new black artists and producers!
Go off! I wish someone could do that deep dive on country music's Black american roots and just how layered her album CC is with how it includes all of the spinoffs of those country, western, southern music roots.
Yeah but most people don’t listen to an album as an intellectual exercise. Hence, why the album bombed. I think Billie’s last album was very “high brow” too, for example, but I didn’t actually like listening to most of the songs.
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 it’s currently sitting at number 182 on the Billboard 200 chart. That’s basically irrelevant. Sure, her two singles did well for a bit, but the album as a whole did not. It’s not racist to point that out. It’s a weird album.
I didn't even get to the Post Malone mention and knew he probably got nominated. He seems like a nice dude, but he's the biggest culture vulture in music rn.
The irony of the current country scene blocking out black artist like black people aren’t the originators of the genre is palpable. I’m a Beyoncé fan and I will always understand that people won’t like her as much but to deny her talent and give her these roadblocks that I never see her white counterparts encounter is so frustrating to witness. If Taylor Swift could win multiple CMA awards making pop music why can’t Beyonce get even one nomination for a COMPLETE country album 🤔
I went to Nashville right after I heard about the snub for a bachelor party and I thought it was funny that Beyonce was played in every country music bar even though she’s “not country enough” for the CMAs
As a country music fan (haha oh god how did this happen to me) I can tell you it's absolutely a familiar tale. Black people are welcomed into the country music space as long as they take no chances and make music that is completely, inarguably country. So Shaboozey is fine, Chapel Hart is fine, but Beyonce, who takes risks and makes genres her own? No sir! They'll call that "not country enough." edit: I don't feel like I explained what I meant by a familiar tale. I meant how in order to be the first black anything, you have to be an absolutely flawless ur-example of that thing. Like how Obama didn't have a single (real) scandal.
Carin Leon takes a lot more risks when making country, also Leon Bridges fusing masterfully jazz, soul, hip hop with country at the center, Carin is straight up mixing regional Mexican with country music, both of them should be more recognized in country.
Understandable tbh after listening to it. doesn't sound at all what is considered to be a traditional country song like waylon jennings with "are you sure hank done it this way?" or divorce by tammy wynette. this sounds like a slightly less generic pop song with country influences. Shaboozy with "Highway" is more what i'd consider to be in line with traditional country
It's two problems. Country has a racism problem, and also Modern Country is just pop music by people with deviated septums. The musical elements (fiddle, slide guitar, lyrical content) have largely been stripped away, and it's just pop music now. It's got autotune, it's got drum machines. Most of modern Country has zero resemblance to any of the Country Music pre-1990s.
@@notapplicable6985 I think they thought deviated septums was referring to a disability instead of to a cocaine habit, but I also don't see where that applies to country music producers specifically so who knows.
musical elements and lyrical content are two areas in which the cowboy carter album does NOT struggle at all lmao. the live instruments sound incredible especially in yaya, american requiem and bodyguard. and the subject matters of slavery, racism, motherhood, alcoholism, generational trauma, adultery, yearning, sex and romance are covered eloquently.
Dolly was attempting to be fair and politically correct. I don't think she meant harm, especially since she endorsed the album. Personally, I wouldn't say I liked the album. But I believe award ceremonies should be about celebrating the year's BEST artists and songs... Not the work of people who have been gatekeeping the genre for decades. If her song was number one, she deserved a nomination, at the very least. The snub was a snub, and it can't be explained away as anything else.
Metal heads are chill. As a black fan of metal, I've always felt welcome at concerts. Also, if you know the history of metal, there have been plenty of black presence and collaboration within the genre. When I hear country tho, it feels like alarm bells are going off in my brain warning me that I am about to get hate-crimed. It's that twang of how they sing that puts me off. That why I can only listen to Johnny Cash. His shit is like spoken word poetry.
@@sadesemoluYes, me too. The metal community is chill af. And I tell my husband I can't even listen to country (outside of the 90's and a few exceptions) without getting a white hoods are standing by feeling. Idk why that is but it's there. Might be because confederate flags and country music are linked in my mind. For anyone reading this I know all people who like country music aren't racists. Though the amount of people who love country and then I find out they are is a fair amount.
As someone who doesn't even listen to Beyonce's music or country that much, even I can tell her not even being nominated in some country award is blatantly racist. I've heard about Beyonce and her country music a couple of times for months now, so she's getting her bag and selling millions despite what some country award giving people have to say.
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I completely agree with your perspective. The Country Music Awards have a long-standing history of racism towards Black artists, including those who exclusively sing country music like Charley Pride, and crossover artists like Ray Charles. As a teenager in Texas during the 1950s and '60s, I must confess that my friends and I would never acknowledge our love for country music because it was deemed "white people's music." It was a relief in the '80s and '90s to finally express openly my appreciation for country music. I've also come to understand more about the interconnected origins of Black music and country music.
It all started when Elvis got mainstream credit for covering Big Mama Thornton's "Hound Dog". I could write so many angry papers about this topic. Thank you for explaining it so well and giving so many excellent examples!
Having been in music school when Beyonce released her album, I do think the most interesting thing that happened was how quick (yt) people were to go “it’s good! It’s not country tho :/.” Which! I get, I know she also said that Cowboy Carter isn’t a country album, but the motifs, the chordal structures, the way that she sings, her utilization of fusion of different genres in country, the way that she leans into the historical areas, referencing styles that were born out of country music, she really is a phenomenal artist. I think the CMAs, truthfully, are hitting a very important crossroads where the new up and coming artists are not going to be what country music has “looked” like. I’ve seen so many black, queer, brown rising artists that are diving into country because it’s a great genre to spin some stories, so use lyricism to really talk about the things they need to talk about. So the snub is disappointing, expected, and either the CMAs are going to slowly start to change to let others in, or it won’t and artists and people will find what they want elsewhere 😌. As always!! What a great video especially over something that I love (music 🙂↕️)
I'm obsessed with cowboy Carter! So many good albums this year so far and I always go back to cowboy Carter and Midwest princess. The art and the audience will move on with or without the corporate structure surrounding the industry.
It didn’t resonate and those are facts. As much as *NO BODY CAN DENY* the game change *Lemonade* was and how as a basically magnum opus has been completely snubbed, this whole push by force did n o t r e s o n a t e enough. With social media, many bridges had been burned with music executives messing up whole albums for artist yet, this did not worked. Why instead of *DEMANDING* awards as hand me downs, she and her 36 writers prof themselves she CAN do better. And not even acknowledge the ACM’s cause it wouldn’t be needed. Public support speaks ALL the volumes that the industry cannot quiet down. But in this case.. it wasn’t enough.
I kind of get the impression from Dolly Parton's statement that, when she was asked, she didn't actually know who had been nominated and that was the great she was hearing about this situation.
I think it’s pretty problematic for people to feel like other people can’t come into their music space especially when you have artist like queen, Prince and B.B. King specifically queen who sampled other genres and was very experimental with their music and that is what gave us Bohemian Rhapsody. Those who think that country should be gate kept have no right to be in music. Also, nobody over and Pop music had an issue when Taylor Swift decided to come over from country music, the fact that their gate keep being so hard on something that we’ve known in the past to be good, which is sampling other genres and learning from each other tells me that there’s more to they don’t want her there or why they wouldn’t nominate her. People suck.
"Bohemian Rhapsody" was not nominated for classical awards though, and nobody expected it to be. As for Taylor Swift, she had to work for a few years to make her way to being a pop fixture. She didn't just drop a pop album out of nowhere and expect the entire pop music world to bow down to her. If Beyonce is serious about being taken serious by the country music establishment, she needs to spend time working on it and do some fly-by-night shit.
If anything artists like Taylor Swift and Shania Twain were laughed at & taken LESS seriously when they pivoted from country to pop. It’s almost like country is too cool to let others in while also being so insular they can’t stand someone with a country background using the skills they learned to branch out of just country
@@ColeClawson Country is incredibly insular and they believe in gate keeping their genre, especially now that everybody is trying to jump in on it. I’m not mad at that. If you wanna be country, move to Nashville, do shows there. Work the circuit. Post Malone did that.
@@oronbaba oh Beyoncé in no way needs to do that. She proved she has a good idea of her “brand” of country & where she wants to stylistically go (not only having references like Willie but featuring newer artists like Tanner Adell). She knows country, “country” doesn’t know how to take that I think
@@ColeClawson Beyoncé can do whatever she wants artistically. Nobody’s stopping her from doing that. But it takes more than that to be embraced by the establishment of ANY genre.
I did not realise how bad things were! I’m a big Kacey Musgraves fan which would probably class me as a country music girlie and my jaw dropped when hearing that old town road was removed for not being country enough! Kacey Musgraves did exactly the same thing with her album ‘Golden Hour’ where she fuses electronic music and country music together and she received a Grammy for Best Country Album! I’m not saying that she didn’t deserve it, but how can one artist receive a Grammy and another get booted out of the genre for the exact same concept?? I feel naive that I never knew just how openly racist this industry was.
anyone who doesn’t see the obvious bias in her not being nominated is just being willfully ignorant. There’s no point in discussing with them. Anyway, at the end of the day her album did what it needed to do, started conversations and brought attention to other black country artists.
Yeah I don’t think you’re wrong at all. I’ll admit I didn’t think it was that great or groundbreaking to the genre of country overall music wise. Outside of getting more eyes on it and being the first black woman to make the charts at #1. It felt like another generic country album. Although I did love hearing her do Jolene! However, it was better than most of what came out this past year and she got so many more eyes on black country artists that have been stuck in basically purgatory. She did accomplish what she set out to do. And those deserve at the very least a few nominations. Yeah the bias was very obvious and to deny it feels foolish.
But the conversations won’t make any change whatsoever if the only aim was for it to be nothing but “conversations” The album wasn’t a genre breaking more than it was c o n t r o v e r s i a l And you can only go as far with it. But specially for her and her 15 producers and 36+ writers, this wasn’t the best they could come up with. And virtually kicking and yelling won’t make any change in real life. Cause irl she didn’t get the support she needed, until *AFTER* it was already done and gone.
@@kyramoonrise9064 you’re literally seeing these conversations unfold right now. We’ll see how it ends but getting people to even publicly recognize the inherent biases in the industry is already a step in the right direction. Idk where this narrative, that Beyoncé had to solve all the world’s problems with her album or else she failed, came from. She’s contributing to change and that’s admirable. Also yall need to let that credit conversation go cz it’s doesn’t make and never made sense.
I'm a long time country music fan and let me tell you: 9/11 and Toby Keith ruined the country music genre. Don't get me wrong!! Racism has always been a pervasive problem in the genre, but it wasn't at the core. The core was anti-establishment, anti-government, anti-corporation, and pro police/prison reform. Think Folsom Prison Blues by Johnny Cash, Sixteen Tons by Tennessee Ernie Ford, They're Tearin the Labor Camps Down by Merle Haggard, The Law is for Protection of the People by Kris Kristofferson, basically anything by Woody Gunthrie, etc. Then 9/11 happened. And Toby Keith came out with Courtesy of the Red White and Blue. The song blew up in a way no country song really had before, or has since. They played it on every station on the radio. It became the norm for country music to UPHOLD and DEFEND the establishment, not speak out against it. Ask The Chicks, who criticized George Bush over the Iraq Invasion and were basically ran out of the industry. They even wrote a song about it: Not Ready to Make Nice. And once country music became a tool to defend the status quo rather than question it? The fascists started moving in.
9:28 I think Beyonce saying it's not a country album was pre-empting what we all expected the country music stakeholders would say. Like saying you don't care when you don’t do.
Right, and I think certain crowds revel in using that line against her in an attempt to justify any decision to omit CC from country music discussions and awards. When Beyoncé said that, she was letting the world know that it's fine if people talk shit because it's country music that she's proud of, done in HER own way -- not that it isn't country music at all. This came after the backlash of Texas Holdem because people, especially racist people, were saying it's not "real country" when it literally is. That was her response to all the backlash that song had received along with the official reveal of Cowboy Carter.
There are precious few country songs on Cowboy Carter. It’s an album that puts a middle finger up to the concept of genre entirely, and the album practically spells that out in the interludes.
i've grown up loving country music and I'm still kinda a fan but its so frustrating that if you ask any of these artists or fans what country music is about, they'll say shit like love and family and community. But as soon as someone steps out of this everyman-white-hetero-conservative or politically ambiguous lane the industry created, all hell breaks loose. you can even at the boycott on the Chicks after they spoke out against the war in Iraq, or Kacey Musgraves getting banned on radio stations for acknowledging LBGTQ+ people exist. the whole industry is just bullshit
I don't understand how folks in Country music are going to gatekeep when an enormous portion of their new music (the last handful of years) is HEAVILY influenced by Hip-Hop, Rap, and R&B. Ha! While typing this, got to the portion of the video where he's saying the same thing. You can't expect folks to take you seriously when you're gatekeeping a genre of music from the people who created it whilst also currently taking portions of another genre of music they created. And at a steadily increasing rate. And for the "what if 'Taylor Swift' made a Hip-Hop album, would she be nominated then?," crowd...the answer is yes. Sam Smith won an R&B BET award. A Black Entertainment Television award lmao. Macklamore personally apologized to Kendrick Lamar after winning best Rap album at the Grammys. There's literally social discourse going on right now about how Black people need to gatekeep Hip-Hop because of the number of yt artists who use being a rapper as a means to get to the genre they actually want to do. Ex. Post Malone, MGK, etc.
After Old Town Road was removed from the country chart, Lil Nas X released a “remix” featuring Billy Ray Cyrus (I put “remix” in inverted commas because there was nothing different about this version other than Billy Ray’s additional vocals). The Billy Ray Cyrus version reached number 1 on the country chart and wasn’t disqualified. Hmm… I wonder whyte? 🤔
There is 100% racism in this I completely understand that. I’d also like to point out tho that the CMA also snubs a crazy amount of real country artists that don’t make the modern pop country sound. You can take half of the people prominent at the Americana awards and they should 100% have a nomination at the CMAs. People like Sierra Ferrell or Charley Crockett are 1000x more country than most of the “country” artists at the CMAs. Beyoncé not being country enough is bullshit, most of the people nominated just made trap or pop song with a country acccent.
I hate country music. It's the only genre of music I refuse to listen to (with like 2 exceptions) ever. However, I streamed it for Beyoncé. Did I like it? No. I don't like how country music sounds. However, I love Beyoncé and she made an incredible album and an important statement.
I think the Country Music Association just hates Beyonce, they made her uncomfortable at the 2016 ceremony and decided she isn't even allowed to attend the 2024 ceremony
Yeah. There’s no justification here. She’s bred/bleeds Texas, is bringing more focus to the genre, and legitimately cared about this album. Wasn’t a cash grab, was a cultural exploration within her right.
Country fans are literally praising Post Malone for being so "genuine" and "successfully switching genres" while Beyonce does the exact same thing and they spit on her. Double standards and misogynoir, that's all this is. I don't want to take away from Post Malone, his album was REALLY good but so was Beyonces. Not one nomination when she expertly blended opera into her album is so criminal.
So my only contribution is this: I volunteer for a community center where I've noticed that one of the choirs whose memebers really seem to enjoy/like/cover country music during their rehearsals, they've not ONCE mentioned Beyonce. They'll even host little viewing parties for the CMAs (but not the grammys or other award shows), and they'll cover Morgan Wallen a lot (how ironic considering white people flocked to him after he said the n-word) and will cover everything from the classics to contemporary country music. Another thing I've slightly noticed is that they actually don't acknowledge even female performers like Dolly or Reba. Why? Is it the feminine they subconsciously avoid? Because of their association with minorities? Sure, once a year they'll cover "Islands in the Stream" or "9 to 5", but those are HUGE country hits, and hard to ignore but when they'll repeatedly cover the same country songs from male artists I've never heard of, it's hard not to see some kind of thread between the consumption of country music, the worship of faux masculinity and a "rugged" life, and of course a quiet embrace of bigotry and fear of urbanization...
In case anyone was wondering, there is a term for phrases like ATM machine (but not CMA Awards). It is an example of RAS syndrome, aka Redundant Acronym Syndrome syndrome. 😂
The CMA's are just the major country labels in a trench coat. These labels just give these awards as a way to promote their artists. With the notable exception of Shaboozy all of the other nominees are on a major country labels (Post Malone was nominated for a song with someone signed to these Nashville majors). This situation is just an indictment of the country industry racist nepotism as a whole.
If Beyoncé isn’t country because she blended country with pop then SO MANY of the artists shouldn’t be welcomed either. Morgan Walden and Sam hunt blend country with pop using trap beats. Chris Stapleton blends country with blues. Hardy mixes it with rock. It’s normal to have country mixed with other genres and usually that’s seen as creative and versatile. It’s obvious what they’re doing
Ehhh, I'll say again that Post Malone did a much better job at doing that. And when you compare these works together, it's no contest on which took more effort and passion to make. I think Beyonce can certainly do better, but she just didn't this time.
This is one time in history that Kanye could walk on stage of an award show and say “I’m happy for you, but, Beyoncé had one of the best albums of all time.” and it be justified.
As a country fan, hell yes. The CMAs are far behind even most regular country fans. Black artists do very well in the charts. In fact, people don’t think about this, but people of color in general also love country music. The south (for obvious reasons any educated person should know) is full of black people. They innovated country music. They’ve been involved in it since the beginning. To deny them the credit and the awards for so long can only be racism. Many many older country artists, due to them working with black people every day, were abolitionists, pro-integration, and later, frankly…what we might consider communists lol. I am pretty comfortable saying the commercialization and pop-ification of country music has regressed the genre politically.
There are other Black country singers who should have been recognized long before Beyonce's album was released. Racism has always been a problem with the CMA. That said, I would have preferred to see the other Black singers nominated instead of Beyonce.
If not even beyonce can get nominated, what chance do they have? Do you not see the importance of her contribution? You folk are blinded by insisting she and everything she creates is "overated" that you miss the bigger picture.
I think Beyonce knew this was gonna happen and her point was the highlight that black artists aren’t recognized at these shows. You’d think some of the artists she worked with would get some recognition but I didn’t see any mention of tanner added or tiera Kennedy who has spent years and years in country who makes strictly country music. Meanwhile post Malone gets such a different treatment. Ofc the award doesn’t matter ..but the exposure does
Lmao Luke Bryan’s comment makes me think of when someone told me to “stop being so uppity” bc I dared to be in the same AP class as them and understood the material and they didn’t 🙃
d'angelo thank you for all the content you've been putting out but if you need a break that's perfectly fine don't get burnt out sorry to sound like a mom lol
Fundie Fridays (Jen) has a GREAT series (4 parts I think?) they put out this year or last abt history of country music from the verrrry beginning - Black spirituals/folk roots to present day country She primarily makes fundamentalist/evangelical-centered critique/commentary videos, so her country series has some interesting bits about how the dynamic shifts throughout time
hey d'angelo! i believe you are the PERFECT person to do a deep dive on the false claims about beyoncé and jayz in relation to pdiddy. if this is in the works i would love to see it!
I love that homework! Too many people get stuck on one genre, and I can't fathom limiting myself that much when there's so many genres the world over. Not everything will be my cup of tea, but I'm sure going to try a sip.
one of these days i'm just gonna make a one-second video saying "yes"
“If I had to sum up today’s video in a single word, it would be “yes””.
beautiful day that will be
Yes
I'd watch it! 😊😂
Or you could go the other way around aka the "Matt Walsh" way and do a whole $3m documentary shown in theater!
Here's the thing..... Take Beyoncé out of the picture and the CMA awards is still racist. Tanner Adell wasn't nominated? No Reyna Roberts ANYWHERE? Shaboozey is nominated for best new artist and for best single (which, yay! Happy for him) but Post Malone is nominated in every other damn catagory!
Not to mention that T-Pain had writing credits on many country singles that hit the charts and he couldn't so much as even have his name listed without a barrage of racist insults from so called "country fans".
So yeah. It's racist. I say that with my chest. I stand on that hill.
Which songs by t pain?
@@KettleBlacktheBat I didn't even know about all that. These awards are crazy racist and it's so upsetting bc we BUILT the genre yet white people hijacked it like they always do
black people create the best art so white ppl can claim it as their own. the best musicians are black. period. and now we know a ton of those songs were written by black folks likeeee
@@jasonhaven7170 there was an article that came out in Feb. He basically said that he stopped pushing for credit because of the racism he faced behind the scenes. So he’s either writing under a pseudonym or done with writing for country music altogether.
On that Faith Hill whos career stoped because country music became even more sexist after 9/11 im a right?
People are saying Beyonce isn't "country" enough as if Taylor Swift didn't break away from the country genre and makes straight up pop music now and STILL gets invited to CMAs and has her NON-COUNTRY POP MUSIC winning in CMA categories. It's absolutely just racism.
You're absolutely right and I agree with you. But I do want to point out, for the sake of accuracy, that the last time Taylor won a CMA was as a songwriter. The song, "Better Man", won in 2017 when she was no longer in country music, BUT she wrote the song many, many years before when she was still in country music and then gave the song to a country music band, and their recording of the song was what won the award. Exact same scenario with a song in 2018. Wrote it before Red came out (so 2012 or earlier), shelved the song, then gave it away to Sugarland and featured on the song many years later, and this song didn't even win its award. In 2022 a very country song that was released as part of her rerecording project (and as such was a vault song from, you guessed it, pre-2012) got nominated. It did not win. The only work I would say she was nominated for at the CMAs that I don't consider truly country is her album Red in 2012. She wasn't considered a fully pop artist at this time, though, so I almost understand the nomination. But I still think the album wasn't country enough for consideration of this award. (And she didn't win for this album.) So that's what I would point to in making your point about CMAs racism against Beyonce. Red had country influences and blended genres, yet was nominated, and Cowboy Carter wasn't. And that's, to me, definitely an illustration of CMAs racism. (But Taylor's non-country music never won any CMAs, and her non-country music is not getting nominated.)
@@cardiganweatherthanks for that clarification!!
100%
@@cardiganweather Red was the exact album I was thinking of specifically. Taylor isn't the only example either, just the one that came to my mind off the top of my head. Her other music not winning or having music with country roots win is besides the point to me, because she jumped genres and got nominated. Her other nominations since leaving the genre also show that they're willing to accept "country" from a genre jumper when Taylor says it's "her roots", but a southern black woman is not also allowed to explore her own roots with country music despite black music being integral to the roots of country and bluegrass. It literally just reeks of racism.
@@otter.mayhem yeah, I agree. It's a perfect example to illustrate how the treatment of Beyonce by the CMAs is pure racism.
Look at when Lil Nas X did Old Town Road. Nashville was already up and arms about it. It's not surprising that there is racism and even sexism in the CMA's and country as a whole.
And they only kinda accepted when Billy Cyrus was defending him. But took post Malone in with open arms
Even when Billy Ray Cyrus featured they started turning on Billy, these folks are just crybabies . Big Billy Ray fan here too, that was disrespect for all the years he has been in the music industry….
It's like this long held tradition of racism and bigotry that keeps everyone down, sad 😭😢, Beyonce didn't need their acceptance anyways!
@@graceancrum329 and Post Malone used hip-hop and R&B to get big. folks called him out as a culture vulture and his turn to that years ago. their caucacity knows no bounds...
Also probably a wee bit of homophobia considering Lil Nas X is openly gay.
Yea CMA is 100% racist. There is no other justification for othering Lil Nas X and Beyonce but allowing post malone and Morgan Wallen's trap music
They only gave Tracy Chapman a CMA because old boy's cover was a big song that year.
Had it come out today with a black artist, despite his doing nothing instrumentation wise to "make it country", it would have been snubbed.
90% racist, the other 10% is sexist and homophobic. Maybe they can be 100/100/100?
Ffffffaaaaaaccccccttttssss
Post and Wallen literally make the same form of music as Lil Nas and Bey 💀
I feel like you could put Morgan Wallen, Kane brown or Lainey Wilson on any production, trap beats, rock, edm - their twang is so strong that the vocal performance on the track is going to give Country regardless. 🤷🏾♂️
17:03 a qoute i saw from twitter a while ago that didn't make sense to me till now was "y'all want everything black except black people" now i get it.
All Western popular music originates from African-Americans
@jasonhaven7170 West Indian here... 💯 on what you said. And then outside of America, so many other genres of music were created by blk people. Soca, Calypso, Reggae and Dance hall, AfroBeats; Ampiano and the others I can't name lol. And I'm pretty sure in the South American countries there's more to be listed. We are a very talented bunch😊❤
@@alithedon4996 Exactly
Even Hic Hop is a thing (that makes my ears bleed from cringe) yet no one can call them out publicly bc they're white people imitating (butchering) music that originated with black people... but when it's the other way around suddenly country is only for white people lol.
This is exactly why they call half-white people black (Drake or Zendaya)
Luke Bryan's comments are especially dumb when not only is Beyonce from Houston and she performed at the 2016 award show, but Keith Urban is a massive country singer and the man is AUSTRALIAN.
Not gonna state the obvious, but bffr Luke
This comment is how I learned that Keith freaking Urban is Australian
@@TheTranquilMadnessBecause _he is not Australian._ Americans just think Aussies and Kiwis are the same. Turns out they're, in fact, completely different countries
Since when is Houston “country”? Houston is a massive, sophisticated city. It’s not about where you’re from, it’s where you’re at. You can’t just walk into a new genre from outside and expect them to bow down for you. Did Beyoncé pay her dues in the country genre? Did she go to radio stations? Did she play country festivals? How can someone from another genre just make a country album and think they’re gonna be nominated above all the other artists on that genre who are paying their dues in the culture? Keith Urban may be Australian but he came to Nashville and did the work. So did Shania Twain from Canada.
He's not Australian. But you were kind of close ish. Kiwis really _hate_ being called Aussies though
@@oronbaba Did the work? Taylor made country music and she lived in a mansion in Pennsylvania. You just think black women and black people at large aren’t allowed to participate in the culture they CREATED
I love that country artist having shit to say about Beyonce not being "country" enough when most of the top "country" artist aren't even from the US! The unmitigated GALL of it all lol
"Immigrants!.. We get the job done!!" -(Hamilton)
Like, Keith Urban can be country but Beyonce, an artist from Texas, can't be country is not? Ayam confusion
Plus all the "real country" artists nowadays are just stealing hooks from songs in other genres, putting a honkey-tonk twang on it, and changing the lyrics to be about beer or whatever. Such a creatively bankrupt genre, not surprised it attracts morally bankrupt people.
All yall can source is Keith urban and Shania Twain though
@@ItsAaron7602 of the BIGGEST COUNTRY MUSIC ARTISTS ARENT EVEN AMERICAN BUT A FULL BLOWN AMERICAN WOMAN FROM HOUSTON TEXAS OF ALL PLACES CANT DO COUNTRY?????? hypocrisy
Damn, this is the exact problem with "color blindness", so thank you. Like yes, in a society where these issues have been "solved" (whatever that means) race would be irrelevant and it might actually be weird to talk about it. But that's step 58,731. We're on step 3.
Good point
It would have to be the Bridgerton world
It is. And everyone country in the world can see that and accept it other than paranoid Americans who just WANT to be the victim ... her album sucked.. get over it
@@jadebel7006you know when you can tell "Americans" is just a sub for the n word. Y'all are so blatant w it like wow
People think just because slavery and segregation is gone, racism was magically solved. It was not. Horrific things still happen to black people way too often and no one bats an eyelash about it.
I vividly remember they LOVED Ol’ Town Road before they found out Lil Nas X was black. When the song first dropped the artist was a mystery and all the country folks loved it. Then they found out who the artist was and all of a sudden people were saying it wasn’t country.
So yes I agree they’re racist.
Wait really?
I don't recall that reaction as much as people on a couple sides going like "this is being released too many times" when it got remixed so much lol
Let's not even get on when they realized he wasn't straight lol
💯💯💯
and no doubt him being gay as well factored in some homophobia. for beyoncé it's misogyny
@@Ryzard yeah all that was after his reveal. Initially the song went ultra viral on SM. So much so that it eventually made it to the Billboard. That’s around when he was essentially “revealed” because a bunch of record labels wanted to sign him. After he was signed is when he started doing remixes and did ads for Wrangler jeans. He was then removed from the country billboard charts also a lot of conservatives were publicly boycotting Wrangler jeans. People were out here burning the ish they already paid for smh.
“Is [insert institution here] racist” is a question about as worth asking as “is the sky blue”
I'm getting sick of the answer being yes and nobody involved being ashamed of that. And of the existence of systemic racism still being challenged. I'm fortunate to not have any friends/family who are racist and I still get secondhand embarrassment at it every time I hear things like this. White people are culture vultures who stole so much of their identity from a race they enslaved and continue to oppress for absolutely no reason.
Racism is cringe. I'm cringe enough without my racial association.
(EDIT: Tell me why I just got a notification for a Dropout TV video titled "How to Email Like a White Lady"...... This isn't funny)
One of my co workers told me the other day “prison isn’t racist, they let lots of black people in” and he was being fully serious 🤦♂️
The sky has no color, so you are saying the answer is no, they are not racist
@@CarsoDeckThe sky is blue mf dont be a smartass
@@CarsoDeckwell technically it has a color to us, because blue light is scattered all over the place AND fun fact: we can see light. so the sky is blue to us
The Pointer Sisters’ first Grammy win was in the Best Country Vocal Performance by a Group or Duo category for the song ‘Fairytale’ in 1974. They were invited to a party honouring Grammy winners that year, and when they showed up to the venue they were mistaken for catering staff and sent to the kitchen.
They were the first Black group to perform at the Grand Ole Opry. Several of the audience members didn’t know they were Black until they saw them on stage, and heckled them. Protestors showed up outside their concerts with signs saying “keep country country” and other slogans containing slurs.
They had begun recording a country album, but went back to making r&b music after the backlash.
It’s so sad that this is still happening 50 years later.
Ok the "Well, if she would have TRIED to hang out with us, it would be different"
But she fkn did and they treated her like garbage. That's the most evil form of the "bless your heart" style of behavior
I have never NOT heard this when someone where I'm at talks about mistreatment, it's such middle school behavior
eta: I guess I worded things weird, my apology. I am from Texas, when people say "if you just came up to us to say hi" it is a backhanded comment. What they mean is "if you came to us knowing your place in our community, maybe we would have been nice."
It has happened to me all my life an an autistic person that didn't pass well. It is straight up malicious.
I'm mad at Andy Cohen for not pushing back and saying "umm but she did and we know how that worked out."
It doesn't even matter when country fans are literally admitting that they're welcoming to Post Malone but hate Beyonce. Even if she wanted to be part of the community, it's not SAFE for her to do so. The onus is now her instead of the country music community to welcome her. They don't want her there but don't want to look like the bad guys.
@@prettynpetty8342 I'm from the south, the whole "if you had came to us we would have been nice!" translates to "if you had come to us knowing your place, we might have liked you... maybe"
eta I completely agree with you. I'm pointing out they are doing double speak where if you know you know and if you don't you'd think they were nice. They're just demonic and gross.
Texas just passed a law to not save pregnant women - so pregnancy can be a greater death sentence, and a woman is essentially property at this point. So, you're really surprised by this behavior?
It’s like what happened with Rock. Lot of black artists and musicians originated the sound but it was hijacked and then people tell you that “you don’t belong”. The hate against black people for contributing and merely existing is beyond disgusting
All while making money off copying and/or straight up stealing
When you have a population that is only 13% of the population but commits 54% of crime, it's not exactly a great way of promoting positive attitudes to that said population.
No one has said she don't belong. Her album sucked. Get over it
@@jadebel7006
lol
@@jadebel7006 thank you for proving a huge point. It’s not just about Beyoncé it’s the historical treatment of Blacks overall in the music industry and other industries as well. And they may not have said it with words but it was said with their actions and the snub. Learn to read and read between the lines jack ass.
I think for me it's like post Malone was literally a rapper but he then decided to make country music and he was accepted but beyonce who grew up in Texas and ALWAYS talked about her roots (despite making r&b) has not
When Misogyny and racism meet that's the result unfortunately, she deserves to be nominated since she's genuine about it and seems to love making country music
Not just Beyonce talking about her roots - listen to daddy lessons from lemonade which came out in 2016. Great song
@@the_piano_nerd4960 Lemonade shook me like nothing since Destiny's Child but I've not been into most of the rest of her stuff
Post Malone has had a weird journey of music tho. He moved to Texas when he was 9, but was into rock and heavy metal. His first venture as a professional musician was in a heavy metal band.
When he went solo, he then ventured into hiphop music and started rapping. And even during that time, he was citing Bob Dylan and Johnny Cash as some of his influences.
The album before his venture into country was also synth-pop and dance.
But obviously as a white man, he didn’t really have to fight his way to be accepted by country fans and the CMA.
Her album sucks!! That’s the heart of the matter. It isn’t doing well on the charts, nobody but Twitter likes it, it bombed. Therefore: no nominations.
short answer: yes
long answer: yes
longer answer: still yes
Yes
So zero space for critical thinking hu
Or does two words ONLY apply when talking about how ALL people who have been burned and raised in United States of America, should learn the complete history of their country.
Talking about *_EXPECTING ON A SILVER PLATER_* anything just because (insert person of any color, background/ethnicity/etc) is the way to go?
Should y’all be happier if beyonce got the Grammy JZ was demanding, and ALL the recognition as the best, the most, the only country talent that has ever been on country music history?
Hand me downs, are they really worth it??
Short answer Y
Long answer: N (based on opinion of her trash ass effort to make nothing)
Longer answer: Y they are but conflating the two is not the smartest bc she sucked, her cover sucked and this was unprecedented nothingness.and I wouldn't offer awards for that either. 😂
And I think some sexism in there to boot
@@kyramoonrise9064
What are you even trying to say?
saying a woman who is from and loves Texas, has PERFORMED at a CMA Awards before, and collabed with a ton of country artists on the country album in question isnt being a part of the family is so stupid man 😭
exactly 😭 it's such a blatantly racist excuse to not include her
This entire issue reminds me of how MTV didn't want to play Michael Jackson's "Billie Jean" because they believed that Black music wasn't "rock" enough for their audience (until then-CBS president Walter Yetnikoff threatened to pull his label's artists from MTV if they weren't gonna put the song in rotation.) Black people have been making all different kinds of music and it's been so insane to witness grown people whine and cry online that Beyoncé made a country album back when it came out. Truly unhinged behavior.
Like no, you're only allowed to make the kind of music that we look down on
It's insanely ironic considering black people MADE rock music from the start, before white people could get their hands on it.
Not different kinds.
Rock and Country began as African-American music. We were just pushed out of it. So, they’re just coming home.
Even after that, for a long while you would get a random MJ or Prince video and nothing else(outside latenight Yo MTV Raps), VH1 played Whitney very rarely and few other R&B crooners.
You had to watch BET or the Boxx(formerly Jukebox Network) where people called in to a 1-900 and paid a few bucks to play a video. Until MTV opened up, that was how I watched most non-rock videos and smaller artists.
Not even just Beyonce, but only ONE Black country music artist was nominated this year. And that was Shaboozy. The CMA has a MAJOR problem.
It's as if they needed to nominate one artist for the "token" diversity card
@monbub they honestly had no choice bc he dominated the charts all summer. I'm sure it was a nomination done begrudgingly. I hope he's treated well if he performs or wins.
Thank you so much for talking about the overlap between “new country” and black country artists. Born and raised Texan, and anyone that tried to say racism isn’t still a huge problem in the south is being willfully ignorant for very suspicious reasons
I live here in the south and regularly see confederate flags.
I (a black girl) went to a PWI (predominantly white institution) university and my dorm roommate had two HUGE confederate flags (think blankets) and she would hang them in our dorm room. This was Texas. My mom was pissed. I was way too meek back then to go off on her...
Fellow Texan here and yep. The minute you see the defense squad show up you know why
moved to Texas from Alabama last year, and the most "progress" you get is white people burying their heads in the sand after spouting Lost Cause Confederacy propaganda with their entire chest.
@@ASprinkleofAnime Same. There were several on the houses near the predominantly black school I went to and I see a lot of Trump flags/banners now as well
Interrupted while watching a d’angelo vid by a new d’angelo vid dropping…this is everything I’ve ever wanted for myself
I wish my life was that simple. I have 2 children to raise. I do like his videos even if he’s much younger than me.
@@againstthepods4316🙄🙄🙄
people keep bringing up Shaboozey... He has the biggest country song this year (behind Texas Hold Em), but he has less noms than fucking Post Malone.
By pretty much every metric except hype, Shaboozey's song was a bigger country song than Texas Hold Em. It's prolly gonna be the number 1 song of the year on Billboard overall
please someone inform me who gave a shit when Post did country. like i have no recollection of any internet buzz over that. somehow more norms tho??? we love racist white folks!
@@auliamatecheck the Billboard 200. His albums has been doing extremely well, still in the top 10
@@auliamateit was a huge deal in the country echo chamber
@@musicjunkie274 true, although I think globally Texas Hold Em was bigger.
People screaming at Beyonce at the CMA's immediately calls to mind that famous picture of Hazel Bryan walking into her new school during desegregation, and that white woman just screaming at her with her full throat.
This makes me sad but this is a fair comparison 😢
God, you're right. It breaks my heart to think about it, but racism is still alive and loud as ever.
Immediate first thought as well. Same vibe.
She knew it was gonna happen which is why she recorded blackbird with other black women country artist.
😂😂
"Y'all are racist". Exactly. As usual, thank you for being you, and thank you for everything you do, @d-angelo ❤
The video could've been just that and it would've made sense. But D'Angelo was kind enough to elaborate
There's a MTV interview with David Bowie from 1983 where he questions why there are so few black artists featured on MTV and if they are it’s only a few from 2:30 am - 6:00 am. The Interviewer Mark Goodman tries to justify it saying 'MTV’ thinks people in the ‘mid-west’ would be “scared to death to see Prince and other black faces.” David calls him out on the BS.
Funny that these ‘kids’ are cool with Kiss or Metallica, or Iron Maiden but Prince and Michael Jackson (both from the mid-west by the way) will scare them to death. It’s Wild 🤯
David Bowie had a few banger interviews like that. There’s another one where he goes off about the interviewer asking him about his sexuality.
I’ve seen that video and he’s so fkn right. I was a white MTV kid and we were allowed to watch IT and Nighmare on Elm Street but a black singer would give us a jump scare? (It wouldn’t, by the way. It’s just another bogus “protect the children” claim.)
Why the hell do we have to keep protecting the racists while they call the rest of us snowflakes?
The Midwest afraid of Prince? You mean Prince Nelson Rogers of MPLS, MN? Our hometown hero since the ‘70s? It’s the same now as back then, costal elites thinking they know anything about us or our people. Meanwhile Minnesota is about to have the first Native American state governor in US history and our current whitebread dad of a governor is going to the White House for his lifelong progressive, anti racist, pro women stances. They never listen and always act surprised when we don’t show up as illiterate bumpkins. 😂
David Bowie was a BAMF
To be fair, Dolly Parton also didn't want to accept a nomination into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because except for a few certain songs, she said that isn't her genre.
She was also on the Beyoncé album herself and collaborated with her.
@@jjacks50 now that's just ridiculous. Dolly of all people should know that ROCK N ROLL is bigger than the rock genre. Anyone who so much as sings over a guitar and has reached legend status is qualified for that honor
The nomination prompted her to record a rock album! She said she wanted to earn it.
Dolly is amazing.
@@nonalolagirl right?? i mean jay z got into the rock n roll hall of fame😭
So they are asking if Beyonce's song was country enough...i guess they are forgetting all the Taylor Swift albums that still got CMA awards AFTER she switched completely away from country in her 2012 album. She's gotten 5 CMA awards and was nominated 15 times since 2012. So suddenly a song considerably more country than Swift has produced in over a decade, yet they somehow ask if it's 'country enough'....their racism is showing
genuinely asking: which of taylor’s songs got nominated after she switched genres? :) just curious
@@ttw4s most of them were female vocalist of the year or entertainer of the year, and other artist awards. For songs themselves there were Better Man, Babe, & I Bet You Think About Me. Better Man won multiple.
She got a lot of shit for those nominations from Country fans too
@@abrielle13 this isn't about the fans, the fans support Beyonce. This is about the organization giving out the awards and their decisions
Fwiw, one of the awards was songwriting credit on Better Man for little big towns performance of it, before she released her own version of it (because it wasn’t on her album because the studio thought it sounded too country)
My husband listens to The Highway on Sirrus XM (their big country station). They played Texas Hold "Em at first, then it suddenly disappeared from it's top 30 list every week and stopped playing it all together, when it was #1 on the charts. It's racism. And yes, Luke Bryant, A LOT of white people were really mad that she made a county album. A LOT! And thank you for pointing out that just about every new country song sounds like Old Town Road.
Keith Urban - Born in New Zealand, then moved to Australia
Terry Clark - Canadian
Shania Twain - Canadian
this is just a few off the top of my head without even having to do an actual Google search...but somehow Beyoncé isn't country enough for them?!
Ikr - She’s from Texassss! Cowboy Carter ffs! 🤠
Shania Twain got the "your music is too pop, not real country enough" criticism. Just like Taylor Swift did later on. That's the line used to denigrate white women in country, that they're really doing pop music, not country.
Brother, Terry Clark lived less than an hour away from the Calgary stampede, literally working on a farm, why would she not be allowed to be country? It’s literally the largest rodeo in the world within drive out for the day distance. Y’all will do anything to try and discredit women it’s insane.
@@zackestin1368it’s not the women of it all. It’s the not American of it all.
The amount of people who do not even know what Calgary is, let alone The Stamp is staggering and for some reason they always respond that it doesn’t count that it’s the biggest because it CaNaDa.
okay you do realise Canada isn't just Toronto... right?
Alberta exists. Alberta is to Canada what Texas is to the US. Being Canadian doesn't explicitly mean you cannot be "country". Like its ridiculous, just say you don't know anything about Canada 😭you've literally made the same mistake as all the people saying Beyonce isn't country enough.
I just remember how The Chicks (formerly Dixie) were trated after saying they were embarrassed of G.W. Bush. And they were pure country!
that's insane because anyone would be embarrassed. country fans are weird.
The same people trying to keep Beyonce out of the CMAs, are the same people that were upset when they figured out Darius Rucker was a black man after ‘Wagon Wheel’.
THIS
Except Darius Rucker doesn't prove your point, because he has a long (now) and widely popular career making country music.
@@MaggotBrain10 Again he's got the man part they like, but Beyoncé's a black women, she's got 2 things against her in their eyes. Just like Lil Nas X being a black man like Darius, but gay. There's levels to their acceptance :/
@@Billibab Who cares? Why the obsession with getting people who don't like you to like you? What does she need a CMA for, anyway? She made her record, some people liked it--a lot, in fact--great. Move on (fans, too).
@@MaggotBrain10 I agree! But just saying why it is what it is, and it's worth bringing up and trying to change
I could not care less about country music if I tried, but this was definitely a racially-based snub. If she hit the charts and broke a record then wtf else could it be. I'm not surprised after how Lil Nas X was treated in the past, but I'm still disappointed.
As a black person who lives in the south where Morgan Wallen is over played and hatred of Beyoncé and lil Nas runs rampant all I can say is thank you.
Dolly is a smart lady but she can't see everything all the time. Sometimes you don't know the situation is racist until you learn more about it or reflect more on it. But I feel like she'd be open to hearing why other people found it racist and changing her own opinion and that's the key for me.
Dolly was right, though. Dolly is clearly not against Beyonce. She was on the album and she bigged up the effort. But for a woman like her who has given 60 years of her life to the country genre, why would she not stand up and defend her genre?
@@oronbabadefend it from What, exactly
@@oronbabaShe doesn't have it be against Beyonce tho to just have a bit of a blind spot in this instance, she seems like a real genuine sweet woman with a very caring nature, which is why she probably can't or doesn't want to see that some people in her space aren't coming from a sincere place or are acting in bad faith.
@oronbaba she's definitely not standing up for anything, you missed the point, she's simply trying to figure out why Beyoncé wasn't nominated and she's being positive ( just reflects her mindset)by trying to rationalize it,good job admitting you're racist when other white people did the same as Beyoncé and are still nominated and even won
@@niraxlevi9930 Who did what Beyoncé did and won awards? Which outsider to country music made a country album and rolled it out the way Bey did and got rewarded for it?
I remember when Darius Rucker played the CMA's when he came out with his cover of Wagon Wheel. They had him perform on a stage in the back of the auditorium. Think about that.
His version of that song is IMO one of the most beautiful songs ever made. I swear being an anti-racist country music fan is one long headache.
I love Darius Rucker
Wait... Wagon Wheel is a cover?
That makes me so sad.
what year was that???? I’m trying to look it up but I’m getting a lot of different videos of performances at the CMA Fest and Good Morning America.
Makes me wonder how many amazing black and minority ethnicity country singers we should have heard of.
17:24 As someone who is absolutely irrelevant to the Rock music community, Dave is very much welcome at the Rock Music Awards. 😌
cowboy carter is an insane body of work for so many reasons -
subject matter/lyrics: slavery, racism, generational trauma, alcoholism, adultery, reconciliation, yearning, motherhood, sex, romance.
production: the live instruments/orchestras, the blending of bluegrass, rock, country, trap, r&b, funk and rap.
sequencing: the way the album flows like a car radio station over the course of a drunken night as the character she’s playing grieves her way through her situation!!! such a smart way to tell the story
vocals: HELLO?!?????????!!!! american requiem, daughter, yaya, bodyguard?!?!!!
cultural impact: paying homage to country’s black roots, shining a light on those who weren’t respected, giving a platform to a whole range of new black artists and producers!
Go off! I wish someone could do that deep dive on country music's Black american roots and just how layered her album CC is with how it includes all of the spinoffs of those country, western, southern music roots.
Yeah but most people don’t listen to an album as an intellectual exercise. Hence, why the album bombed. I think Billie’s last album was very “high brow” too, for example, but I didn’t actually like listening to most of the songs.
@@IditarodBro based on what information you say it bombed?
@@IditarodBroCowboy Carter debuted at number one on the charts.
womp womp
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 it’s currently sitting at number 182 on the Billboard 200 chart. That’s basically irrelevant. Sure, her two singles did well for a bit, but the album as a whole did not. It’s not racist to point that out. It’s a weird album.
I didn't even get to the Post Malone mention and knew he probably got nominated. He seems like a nice dude, but he's the biggest culture vulture in music rn.
They’re losing their mind over Shaboozey now… The fragile egos can’t handle it.
The irony of the current country scene blocking out black artist like black people aren’t the originators of the genre is palpable.
I’m a Beyoncé fan and I will always understand that people won’t like her as much but to deny her talent and give her these roadblocks that I never see her white counterparts encounter is so frustrating to witness. If Taylor Swift could win multiple CMA awards making pop music why can’t Beyonce get even one nomination for a COMPLETE country album 🤔
Exactlyyyyyy. Black people in America literally made the whole genre but nobody wants to talk about that part
because taylor is better
@@jenora3015 bye.
I went to Nashville right after I heard about the snub for a bachelor party and I thought it was funny that Beyonce was played in every country music bar even though she’s “not country enough” for the CMAs
Isn't that Hilair? Wild how they're playing "non-country music" in country bars. 🤔
As a country music fan (haha oh god how did this happen to me) I can tell you it's absolutely a familiar tale. Black people are welcomed into the country music space as long as they take no chances and make music that is completely, inarguably country. So Shaboozey is fine, Chapel Hart is fine, but Beyonce, who takes risks and makes genres her own? No sir! They'll call that "not country enough."
edit: I don't feel like I explained what I meant by a familiar tale. I meant how in order to be the first black anything, you have to be an absolutely flawless ur-example of that thing. Like how Obama didn't have a single (real) scandal.
Chapel Hart is so fun to listen to. I discovered them thanks to Cowboy Carter!
Carin Leon takes a lot more risks when making country, also Leon Bridges fusing masterfully jazz, soul, hip hop with country at the center, Carin is straight up mixing regional Mexican with country music, both of them should be more recognized in country.
AND BTW if anyone should be getting called "not country enough" it's that asshole Morgan Wallen. Trap beats do not belong in country!
Just got to the part of your video about Lil Nas X and he's another perfect example of this. God I love that man.
Understandable tbh after listening to it. doesn't sound at all what is considered to be a traditional country song like waylon jennings with "are you sure hank done it this way?" or divorce by tammy wynette. this sounds like a slightly less generic pop song with country influences. Shaboozy with "Highway" is more what i'd consider to be in line with traditional country
It's two problems.
Country has a racism problem, and also Modern Country is just pop music by people with deviated septums. The musical elements (fiddle, slide guitar, lyrical content) have largely been stripped away, and it's just pop music now. It's got autotune, it's got drum machines. Most of modern Country has zero resemblance to any of the Country Music pre-1990s.
why the ableist comment tho
@@shnc27What was abelist?
@@notapplicable6985 I think they thought deviated septums was referring to a disability instead of to a cocaine habit, but I also don't see where that applies to country music producers specifically so who knows.
@@shnc27 you need to get out more
musical elements and lyrical content are two areas in which the cowboy carter album does NOT struggle at all lmao.
the live instruments sound incredible especially in yaya, american requiem and bodyguard. and the subject matters of slavery, racism, motherhood, alcoholism, generational trauma, adultery, yearning, sex and romance are covered eloquently.
Dolly was attempting to be fair and politically correct. I don't think she meant harm, especially since she endorsed the album. Personally, I wouldn't say I liked the album. But I believe award ceremonies should be about celebrating the year's BEST artists and songs... Not the work of people who have been gatekeeping the genre for decades. If her song was number one, she deserved a nomination, at the very least. The snub was a snub, and it can't be explained away as anything else.
Lets face it, people who are racist are often country music fans.
Country or metal 🫤
Metal heads are chill. As a black fan of metal, I've always felt welcome at concerts. Also, if you know the history of metal, there have been plenty of black presence and collaboration within the genre.
When I hear country tho, it feels like alarm bells are going off in my brain warning me that I am about to get hate-crimed. It's that twang of how they sing that puts me off. That why I can only listen to Johnny Cash. His shit is like spoken word poetry.
lol yup, I love the music but would think long and hard before actually going to a concert by a country artist
@@ericaj4494I'm going to have to stand up for metal. I've been to concerts and it's always been a cool vibe.
@@sadesemoluYes, me too. The metal community is chill af. And I tell my husband I can't even listen to country (outside of the 90's and a few exceptions) without getting a white hoods are standing by feeling. Idk why that is but it's there. Might be because confederate flags and country music are linked in my mind.
For anyone reading this I know all people who like country music aren't racists. Though the amount of people who love country and then I find out they are is a fair amount.
The look after you said, "y'all are racist!", MADE THE VIDEO!!! I LOVE IT!!! KEEP UP THE GREAT CONTENT!!!
As someone who doesn't even listen to Beyonce's music or country that much, even I can tell her not even being nominated in some country award is blatantly racist. I've heard about Beyonce and her country music a couple of times for months now, so she's getting her bag and selling millions despite what some country award giving people have to say.
It will go down in music and pop culture history that the first black female to top the country charts was snubbed by the CMA
If any other artist did an album like Cowboy Carter, it would be lauded! But because it's Beyoncé, they think it's overrated 🙄
They don't wanna be outshined
In current news: Racist are racist. Racist country song lovers are racist. A large portion of country music lovers are known racist who have racist ideology. Water is wet.
At that is your morning report. Thanks for tuning in.
I completely agree with your perspective. The Country Music Awards have a long-standing history of racism towards Black artists, including those who exclusively sing country music like Charley Pride, and crossover artists like Ray Charles. As a teenager in Texas during the 1950s and '60s, I must confess that my friends and I would never acknowledge our love for country music because it was deemed "white people's music." It was a relief in the '80s and '90s to finally express openly my appreciation for country music. I've also come to understand more about the interconnected origins of Black music and country music.
It all started when Elvis got mainstream credit for covering Big Mama Thornton's "Hound Dog". I could write so many angry papers about this topic. Thank you for explaining it so well and giving so many excellent examples!
I would happily read all of those angry papers!!
Having been in music school when Beyonce released her album, I do think the most interesting thing that happened was how quick (yt) people were to go “it’s good! It’s not country tho :/.” Which! I get, I know she also said that Cowboy Carter isn’t a country album, but the motifs, the chordal structures, the way that she sings, her utilization of fusion of different genres in country, the way that she leans into the historical areas, referencing styles that were born out of country music, she really is a phenomenal artist. I think the CMAs, truthfully, are hitting a very important crossroads where the new up and coming artists are not going to be what country music has “looked” like. I’ve seen so many black, queer, brown rising artists that are diving into country because it’s a great genre to spin some stories, so use lyricism to really talk about the things they need to talk about. So the snub is disappointing, expected, and either the CMAs are going to slowly start to change to let others in, or it won’t and artists and people will find what they want elsewhere 😌. As always!! What a great video especially over something that I love (music 🙂↕️)
1:23 I won't be surprised if the daily uploads stop and D'Angelo goes missing
Dont jinx it 😢
You don’t mess with the Beyhive. 😂
That being said, if I recall correctly, he once mildly criticized BTS and he’s still here to tell the tale! 😂
I'm obsessed with cowboy Carter! So many good albums this year so far and I always go back to cowboy Carter and Midwest princess. The art and the audience will move on with or without the corporate structure surrounding the industry.
It didn’t resonate and those are facts. As much as *NO BODY CAN DENY* the game change *Lemonade* was and how as a basically magnum opus has been completely snubbed, this whole push by force did n o t r e s o n a t e enough. With social media, many bridges had been burned with music executives messing up whole albums for artist yet, this did not worked. Why instead of *DEMANDING* awards as hand me downs, she and her 36 writers prof themselves she CAN do better. And not even acknowledge the ACM’s cause it wouldn’t be needed.
Public support speaks ALL the volumes that the industry cannot quiet down. But in this case.. it wasn’t enough.
@@kyramoonrise9064Are you 80 years old or just a bot? Weird ass comments.
can’t believe youtube hid this from me for 20 seconds
Lmfao this made me laugh thank you
holy bot
such a lazy comment
why is a comment like that under almost every video recently
Man shut up
I kind of get the impression from Dolly Parton's statement that, when she was asked, she didn't actually know who had been nominated and that was the great she was hearing about this situation.
I think it’s pretty problematic for people to feel like other people can’t come into their music space especially when you have artist like queen, Prince and B.B. King specifically queen who sampled other genres and was very experimental with their music and that is what gave us Bohemian Rhapsody. Those who think that country should be gate kept have no right to be in music. Also, nobody over and Pop music had an issue when Taylor Swift decided to come over from country music, the fact that their gate keep being so hard on something that we’ve known in the past to be good, which is sampling other genres and learning from each other tells me that there’s more to they don’t want her there or why they wouldn’t nominate her. People suck.
"Bohemian Rhapsody" was not nominated for classical awards though, and nobody expected it to be. As for Taylor Swift, she had to work for a few years to make her way to being a pop fixture. She didn't just drop a pop album out of nowhere and expect the entire pop music world to bow down to her. If Beyonce is serious about being taken serious by the country music establishment, she needs to spend time working on it and do some fly-by-night shit.
If anything artists like Taylor Swift and Shania Twain were laughed at & taken LESS seriously when they pivoted from country to pop. It’s almost like country is too cool to let others in while also being so insular they can’t stand someone with a country background using the skills they learned to branch out of just country
@@ColeClawson Country is incredibly insular and they believe in gate keeping their genre, especially now that everybody is trying to jump in on it. I’m not mad at that. If you wanna be country, move to Nashville, do shows there. Work the circuit. Post Malone did that.
@@oronbaba oh Beyoncé in no way needs to do that. She proved she has a good idea of her “brand” of country & where she wants to stylistically go (not only having references like Willie but featuring newer artists like Tanner Adell). She knows country, “country” doesn’t know how to take that I think
@@ColeClawson Beyoncé can do whatever she wants artistically. Nobody’s stopping her from doing that. But it takes more than that to be embraced by the establishment of ANY genre.
Reminds of me how Lil Nas X’s old town road wasn’t considered a country song until Billy Rae Cyrus featured on it.
This!
I did not realise how bad things were! I’m a big Kacey Musgraves fan which would probably class me as a country music girlie and my jaw dropped when hearing that old town road was removed for not being country enough! Kacey Musgraves did exactly the same thing with her album ‘Golden Hour’ where she fuses electronic music and country music together and she received a Grammy for Best Country Album! I’m not saying that she didn’t deserve it, but how can one artist receive a Grammy and another get booted out of the genre for the exact same concept?? I feel naive that I never knew just how openly racist this industry was.
Ulgh, don't tell me that something I like is country
anyone who doesn’t see the obvious bias in her not being nominated is just being willfully ignorant.
There’s no point in discussing with them.
Anyway, at the end of the day her album did what it needed to do, started conversations and brought attention to other black country artists.
Willfully works better
@@sithisdawnsend2730 i thought both worked, my bad🤧
Yeah I don’t think you’re wrong at all. I’ll admit I didn’t think it was that great or groundbreaking to the genre of country overall music wise. Outside of getting more eyes on it and being the first black woman to make the charts at #1. It felt like another generic country album. Although I did love hearing her do Jolene!
However, it was better than most of what came out this past year and she got so many more eyes on black country artists that have been stuck in basically purgatory. She did accomplish what she set out to do. And those deserve at the very least a few nominations.
Yeah the bias was very obvious and to deny it feels foolish.
But the conversations won’t make any change whatsoever if the only aim was for it to be nothing but “conversations”
The album wasn’t a genre breaking more than it was c o n t r o v e r s i a l
And you can only go as far with it. But specially for her and her 15 producers and 36+ writers, this wasn’t the best they could come up with. And virtually kicking and yelling won’t make any change in real life. Cause irl she didn’t get the support she needed, until *AFTER* it was already done and gone.
@@kyramoonrise9064 you’re literally seeing these conversations unfold right now. We’ll see how it ends but getting people to even publicly recognize the inherent biases in the industry is already a step in the right direction. Idk where this narrative, that Beyoncé had to solve all the world’s problems with her album or else she failed, came from. She’s contributing to change and that’s admirable.
Also yall need to let that credit conversation go cz it’s doesn’t make and never made sense.
The responses from other music artists are abysmal and very much complacent in racism in country music.
Agreed. They enable the racism by acting like it doesn't exist and gaslighting people that see what's really there.
this video was so eye-opening, thank you for being you and for making me think about stuff on the reg!!
I'm a long time country music fan and let me tell you: 9/11 and Toby Keith ruined the country music genre.
Don't get me wrong!! Racism has always been a pervasive problem in the genre, but it wasn't at the core. The core was anti-establishment, anti-government, anti-corporation, and pro police/prison reform. Think Folsom Prison Blues by Johnny Cash, Sixteen Tons by Tennessee Ernie Ford, They're Tearin the Labor Camps Down by Merle Haggard, The Law is for Protection of the People by Kris Kristofferson, basically anything by Woody Gunthrie, etc.
Then 9/11 happened. And Toby Keith came out with Courtesy of the Red White and Blue. The song blew up in a way no country song really had before, or has since. They played it on every station on the radio. It became the norm for country music to UPHOLD and DEFEND the establishment, not speak out against it. Ask The Chicks, who criticized George Bush over the Iraq Invasion and were basically ran out of the industry. They even wrote a song about it: Not Ready to Make Nice.
And once country music became a tool to defend the status quo rather than question it? The fascists started moving in.
I will continue my lifelong tradition of snubbing the CMAs.
9:28 I think Beyonce saying it's not a country album was pre-empting what we all expected the country music stakeholders would say. Like saying you don't care when you don’t do.
Right, and I think certain crowds revel in using that line against her in an attempt to justify any decision to omit CC from country music discussions and awards.
When Beyoncé said that, she was letting the world know that it's fine if people talk shit because it's country music that she's proud of, done in HER own way -- not that it isn't country music at all. This came after the backlash of Texas Holdem because people, especially racist people, were saying it's not "real country" when it literally is.
That was her response to all the backlash that song had received along with the official reveal of Cowboy Carter.
There are precious few country songs on Cowboy Carter. It’s an album that puts a middle finger up to the concept of genre entirely, and the album practically spells that out in the interludes.
I LITERALLY BROUGHT UP LIL NAS X BEFORE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, the direct "Y'all are racist" got me 😂
I fr heard the song in my head right before he brought it up. We're on the same wavelengths
i've grown up loving country music and I'm still kinda a fan but its so frustrating that if you ask any of these artists or fans what country music is about, they'll say shit like love and family and community. But as soon as someone steps out of this everyman-white-hetero-conservative or politically ambiguous lane the industry created, all hell breaks loose. you can even at the boycott on the Chicks after they spoke out against the war in Iraq, or Kacey Musgraves getting banned on radio stations for acknowledging LBGTQ+ people exist. the whole industry is just bullshit
I don't understand how folks in Country music are going to gatekeep when an enormous portion of their new music (the last handful of years) is HEAVILY influenced by Hip-Hop, Rap, and R&B.
Ha! While typing this, got to the portion of the video where he's saying the same thing. You can't expect folks to take you seriously when you're gatekeeping a genre of music from the people who created it whilst also currently taking portions of another genre of music they created. And at a steadily increasing rate.
And for the "what if 'Taylor Swift' made a Hip-Hop album, would she be nominated then?," crowd...the answer is yes. Sam Smith won an R&B BET award. A Black Entertainment Television award lmao. Macklamore personally apologized to Kendrick Lamar after winning best Rap album at the Grammys. There's literally social discourse going on right now about how Black people need to gatekeep Hip-Hop because of the number of yt artists who use being a rapper as a means to get to the genre they actually want to do. Ex. Post Malone, MGK, etc.
After Old Town Road was removed from the country chart, Lil Nas X released a “remix” featuring Billy Ray Cyrus (I put “remix” in inverted commas because there was nothing different about this version other than Billy Ray’s additional vocals). The Billy Ray Cyrus version reached number 1 on the country chart and wasn’t disqualified. Hmm… I wonder whyte? 🤔
There is 100% racism in this I completely understand that. I’d also like to point out tho that the CMA also snubs a crazy amount of real country artists that don’t make the modern pop country sound. You can take half of the people prominent at the Americana awards and they should 100% have a nomination at the CMAs. People like Sierra Ferrell or Charley Crockett are 1000x more country than most of the “country” artists at the CMAs. Beyoncé not being country enough is bullshit, most of the people nominated just made trap or pop song with a country acccent.
I hate country music. It's the only genre of music I refuse to listen to (with like 2 exceptions) ever. However, I streamed it for Beyoncé. Did I like it? No. I don't like how country music sounds. However, I love Beyoncé and she made an incredible album and an important statement.
I think the Country Music Association just hates Beyonce, they made her uncomfortable at the 2016 ceremony and decided she isn't even allowed to attend the 2024 ceremony
10:16 Post Malone was literally on cowboy carter as well 😒
Yeah. There’s no justification here. She’s bred/bleeds Texas, is bringing more focus to the genre, and legitimately cared about this album. Wasn’t a cash grab, was a cultural exploration within her right.
I have never agreed MORE with you dangelo. Your take on this was PERFECT and exactly what I've been thinking
Country fans are literally praising Post Malone for being so "genuine" and "successfully switching genres" while Beyonce does the exact same thing and they spit on her. Double standards and misogynoir, that's all this is. I don't want to take away from Post Malone, his album was REALLY good but so was Beyonces. Not one nomination when she expertly blended opera into her album is so criminal.
So my only contribution is this: I volunteer for a community center where I've noticed that one of the choirs whose memebers really seem to enjoy/like/cover country music during their rehearsals, they've not ONCE mentioned Beyonce. They'll even host little viewing parties for the CMAs (but not the grammys or other award shows), and they'll cover Morgan Wallen a lot (how ironic considering white people flocked to him after he said the n-word) and will cover everything from the classics to contemporary country music. Another thing I've slightly noticed is that they actually don't acknowledge even female performers like Dolly or Reba. Why? Is it the feminine they subconsciously avoid? Because of their association with minorities? Sure, once a year they'll cover "Islands in the Stream" or "9 to 5", but those are HUGE country hits, and hard to ignore but when they'll repeatedly cover the same country songs from male artists I've never heard of, it's hard not to see some kind of thread between the consumption of country music, the worship of faux masculinity and a "rugged" life, and of course a quiet embrace of bigotry and fear of urbanization...
Ok, I'm not sure if D'Angelo edits his own videos, but the transition at 17:20, with the hands? Smooth af. Just wanted to show my appreciation
Daaaaaamn! That was smooth! 👏
In case anyone was wondering, there is a term for phrases like ATM machine (but not CMA Awards). It is an example of RAS syndrome, aka Redundant Acronym Syndrome syndrome. 😂
That was like a pick up line for me, keep being beautiful you
This is not even the second or third time. If rap can have Eminem why can’t country have more prominent Black artists?
Country music traded in their tractors and trucks for drum machines a few years ago.
Copying Blk music once again
@@jasonhaven7170As always. It's like their favorite pass time is stealing from black people then forgetting to credit them.
not me thinking cma stood for Canadian music awards and being extremely confused about why we were talking about beyoncé 💀💀
The CMA's are just the major country labels in a trench coat. These labels just give these awards as a way to promote their artists. With the notable exception of Shaboozy all of the other nominees are on a major country labels (Post Malone was nominated for a song with someone signed to these Nashville majors). This situation is just an indictment of the country industry racist nepotism as a whole.
Oh this for sure, the racism is real but let's not forget nepotism and cronyism.
If Beyoncé isn’t country because she blended country with pop then SO MANY of the artists shouldn’t be welcomed either. Morgan Walden and Sam hunt blend country with pop using trap beats. Chris Stapleton blends country with blues. Hardy mixes it with rock. It’s normal to have country mixed with other genres and usually that’s seen as creative and versatile. It’s obvious what they’re doing
Exactly but still her album was mid and kinda fell off after it’s initial release. It didn’t really resonate with the country industry.
Ehhh, I'll say again that Post Malone did a much better job at doing that. And when you compare these works together, it's no contest on which took more effort and passion to make. I think Beyonce can certainly do better, but she just didn't this time.
@@OryxAUjust because you liked post malone’s better dosnt mean hers isn’t country
i cant believe youtube hid this from me for 8 minutes
This is one time in history that Kanye could walk on stage of an award show and say “I’m happy for you, but, Beyoncé had one of the best albums of all time.” and it be justified.
Agreed even though I dislike Kanye
Beyoncé is from Houston... Last I checked Texans made country music, perhaps there's another reason they would snub her 🤔
As a country fan, hell yes. The CMAs are far behind even most regular country fans. Black artists do very well in the charts. In fact, people don’t think about this, but people of color in general also love country music. The south (for obvious reasons any educated person should know) is full of black people. They innovated country music. They’ve been involved in it since the beginning. To deny them the credit and the awards for so long can only be racism. Many many older country artists, due to them working with black people every day, were abolitionists, pro-integration, and later, frankly…what we might consider communists lol. I am pretty comfortable saying the commercialization and pop-ification of country music has regressed the genre politically.
There are other Black country singers who should have been recognized long before Beyonce's album was released. Racism has always been a problem with the CMA. That said, I would have preferred to see the other Black singers nominated instead of Beyonce.
If not even beyonce can get nominated, what chance do they have? Do you not see the importance of her contribution? You folk are blinded by insisting she and everything she creates is "overated" that you miss the bigger picture.
I think Beyonce knew this was gonna happen and her point was the highlight that black artists aren’t recognized at these shows. You’d think some of the artists she worked with would get some recognition but I didn’t see any mention of tanner added or tiera Kennedy who has spent years and years in country who makes strictly country music. Meanwhile post Malone gets such a different treatment. Ofc the award doesn’t matter ..but the exposure does
The dopamine I get from seeing a new video on my feed in the morning is insane
"Is Beyonce's Cowboy Carter country music?" is gonna be the new Thanksgiving Family Conversation and I'm excited to watch it lol
Lmao Luke Bryan’s comment makes me think of when someone told me to “stop being so uppity” bc I dared to be in the same AP class as them and understood the material and they didn’t 🙃
Also Dolly Parton was on the album as well and collaborated with her.
Won't be surprised if music being awarded in the future will sound like Cowboy Carter. 16 Carriages was a banger with more soul than they could handle
TODAY'S DEGREE - Simplified Rocket Science
I always love the degrees in these videos!
d'angelo thank you for all the content you've been putting out but if you need a break that's perfectly fine don't get burnt out sorry to sound like a mom lol
Fundie Fridays (Jen) has a GREAT series (4 parts I think?) they put out this year or last abt history of country music from the verrrry beginning - Black spirituals/folk roots to present day country
She primarily makes fundamentalist/evangelical-centered critique/commentary videos, so her country series has some interesting bits about how the dynamic shifts throughout time
hey d'angelo! i believe you are the PERFECT person to do a deep dive on the false claims about beyoncé and jayz in relation to pdiddy. if this is in the works i would love to see it!
I love that homework! Too many people get stuck on one genre, and I can't fathom limiting myself that much when there's so many genres the world over. Not everything will be my cup of tea, but I'm sure going to try a sip.