I don't know to what extent this would be helpful, especially considering how minor and RNG-dependent it is, but you can demand a treaty port off of Lucca instead of launching a "Conquer State" play against them. Given that Lucca only has one province (one which is coastal and has a port), these have the same effect of full-annexing Lucca BUT they has a 37% chance of backing down to a Treaty Port play day 1, so you can feasibly shave off at least a couple months that way. Unrelated, but Lübeck can be fully annexed the same way so long as they either leave Prussia's power bloc and/or you have a higher rank than whoever their power bloc leader is. With that extra time, it might be an option to rush for becoming a major power so you can secure minor powers in South America as protectorates and establish your own power bloc with Advanced Research as a principle. Especially as the Two Sicilies (compared to Sardinia-Piedmont), you're kind of bottlenecked by tech spread and the ahead of time penalty to researching Nationalism. Relations are the bigger bottleneck, but being equally far away from Central Banking (and access to Bankrolls) doesn't help either. Having a Sovereign Empire power bloc might also help with peacefully securing some of the minor Italian nations as subjects, though I doubt the time-saving potential of this compared to straight-up conquest. Hell, if the only goal is to form Italy as fast as possible, what's stopping you from starting as Austria (or a more advanced outside nation like France or Great Britain), taking all of Italy yourself, and then just nation-ruining before releasing yourself as Trieste or something? With some cut-down-to-size exploits, you wouldn't even need to fight Austria directly to unite Italy, but I understand seeing that as a whole separate category of run you wouldn't want to bother with. Finally, regarding Austria leaving the war "early" at 13:26, their capitulation desire (which you can see below their war support) hit 0. These are separate values, but I'll admit to not really knowing how the AI calculates this.
Hey, thanks for the long reply. :) I noticed the treaty port thing as well, but i was unsure if that would somehow interfere with the unification by flagging lucca as treaty port instead of properly owning the province. Is that a thing? Or does it just become an ordinary province? At least at the current version of this strategy (it's like version 9 or something) beeing at war with lucca is helpful to gather conscripts. And i didn't know about lubeck. :) Becoming a major power as two scilies in 1836 is not a problem. If you build 10 line infantries, make the intelligentsia happy, use medium government wages and very high military wages, you are usually a major power by about august. But i totally forgot about major powers beeing able to form power blocs! At the very least, forming a sovereign empire would reduce liberty desire from subjects. If papal states or sardinia piedmont get to much liberty desire, they start lowering relations, which is really bad. Even getting only one nation as subject through the power bloc interaction would be helpful, since you get less infamy, which saves relations and there is less risk in wars/one less war. But a nation needs to be 5 years in a power bloc to be annexed. Haha, i also experimented with getting central banking early to bankroll, but researching two level 2 techs took way to long. There is definitivly potential in forming a power bloc! Very good idea. :) While it would be interesting to see how fast one could unify italy with every means available, i wanted to unify italy as an italian nation. I slightly changed the title to hopefully highlight that fact a bit better. :) Oh, i am usually total ignoring capitulation desire! I think i need to pay more attention to that value. Thanks for pointing that out.
I think there is some potential for beeing faster. I think 1844 should be possible. If you go full RNGod or super save scum, you can probably make all italian minors into subjects and annex them super fast. Then i believe in 1843. :D Maybe even 1842, but that seems like a stretch. Faster should only be possible with a different method. Sardinia Piedmond is closer to researching nationalism, which is important, but they also have less man power than two sicilies.
I hope you are satisfied? :D While i think it was fast, it's probably not easy. I am still wondering if one could sacrifice one or two years to an more easy/reliable solution. :)
@DataTimelapses it was a good video, though I think it's better to directly annex rather than protectorate in most cases. In my own playthroughs I usually attack lucca, Tuscany, and try get defensive pacts with Austria and France. Then swiftly attack modena and Parma. Its usually possible to bait the papal states into a war or attack directly if they don't have a defence pact with Austria. It's only about 50 infamy to annex them entirely. From there you can usually peacefully unify with two sicilies.
I believe the reason you didn’t get the "Risorgimento" (didn’t become a republic) is because forming Italy itself is a requirement. If you read the journal entry, it says it will complete if you have formed Italy. So you only get it if you form Italy while having 25% radicals. Also the reason your radicals went below 25% is because your population grew every time you annexed a country so it didn’t reach 25%.
Good idea, but i disagree on the first part, unless i missunderstood your comment. :) I had several test runs where the pan nationalists took over and i became a republic as two sicilies without owning even half of italy. Good point about the annexing part! I think paradox even removes radicals from countries which you annex through italian unification events to avoid annexation chains.
That is true, i did! Because i was pretty confident and proud that i got a pretty good result. It was somewhat humbling that someone beat that result within the first 200 viewers. Well, pride goes before the fall, i guess. ;)
I don't know to what extent this would be helpful, especially considering how minor and RNG-dependent it is, but you can demand a treaty port off of Lucca instead of launching a "Conquer State" play against them. Given that Lucca only has one province (one which is coastal and has a port), these have the same effect of full-annexing Lucca BUT they has a 37% chance of backing down to a Treaty Port play day 1, so you can feasibly shave off at least a couple months that way. Unrelated, but Lübeck can be fully annexed the same way so long as they either leave Prussia's power bloc and/or you have a higher rank than whoever their power bloc leader is.
With that extra time, it might be an option to rush for becoming a major power so you can secure minor powers in South America as protectorates and establish your own power bloc with Advanced Research as a principle. Especially as the Two Sicilies (compared to Sardinia-Piedmont), you're kind of bottlenecked by tech spread and the ahead of time penalty to researching Nationalism. Relations are the bigger bottleneck, but being equally far away from Central Banking (and access to Bankrolls) doesn't help either. Having a Sovereign Empire power bloc might also help with peacefully securing some of the minor Italian nations as subjects, though I doubt the time-saving potential of this compared to straight-up conquest.
Hell, if the only goal is to form Italy as fast as possible, what's stopping you from starting as Austria (or a more advanced outside nation like France or Great Britain), taking all of Italy yourself, and then just nation-ruining before releasing yourself as Trieste or something? With some cut-down-to-size exploits, you wouldn't even need to fight Austria directly to unite Italy, but I understand seeing that as a whole separate category of run you wouldn't want to bother with.
Finally, regarding Austria leaving the war "early" at 13:26, their capitulation desire (which you can see below their war support) hit 0. These are separate values, but I'll admit to not really knowing how the AI calculates this.
Hey, thanks for the long reply. :)
I noticed the treaty port thing as well, but i was unsure if that would somehow interfere with the unification by flagging lucca as treaty port instead of properly owning the province. Is that a thing? Or does it just become an ordinary province?
At least at the current version of this strategy (it's like version 9 or something) beeing at war with lucca is helpful to gather conscripts. And i didn't know about lubeck. :)
Becoming a major power as two scilies in 1836 is not a problem. If you build 10 line infantries, make the intelligentsia happy, use medium government wages and very high military wages, you are usually a major power by about august.
But i totally forgot about major powers beeing able to form power blocs! At the very least, forming a sovereign empire would reduce liberty desire from subjects. If papal states or sardinia piedmont get to much liberty desire, they start lowering relations, which is really bad. Even getting only one nation as subject through the power bloc interaction would be helpful, since you get less infamy, which saves relations and there is less risk in wars/one less war. But a nation needs to be 5 years in a power bloc to be annexed.
Haha, i also experimented with getting central banking early to bankroll, but researching two level 2 techs took way to long. There is definitivly potential in forming a power bloc! Very good idea. :)
While it would be interesting to see how fast one could unify italy with every means available, i wanted to unify italy as an italian nation. I slightly changed the title to hopefully highlight that fact a bit better. :)
Oh, i am usually total ignoring capitulation desire! I think i need to pay more attention to that value. Thanks for pointing that out.
Ka-chow very nice!!
I'm sure you can do it faster if the stars aligned
I think there is some potential for beeing faster. I think 1844 should be possible.
If you go full RNGod or super save scum, you can probably make all italian minors into subjects and annex them super fast. Then i believe in 1843. :D Maybe even 1842, but that seems like a stretch.
Faster should only be possible with a different method. Sardinia Piedmond is closer to researching nationalism, which is important, but they also have less man power than two sicilies.
Interesting i hadnt thought about that event to annex the italians
I was also experimenting with the pan national fusion event, but whem you integrate into an nation with nationalism, you need to research again.
Pretty awesome!
I hope you are satisfied? :D
While i think it was fast, it's probably not easy. I am still wondering if one could sacrifice one or two years to an more easy/reliable solution. :)
@DataTimelapses it was a good video, though I think it's better to directly annex rather than protectorate in most cases. In my own playthroughs I usually attack lucca, Tuscany, and try get defensive pacts with Austria and France. Then swiftly attack modena and Parma. Its usually possible to bait the papal states into a war or attack directly if they don't have a defence pact with Austria. It's only about 50 infamy to annex them entirely. From there you can usually peacefully unify with two sicilies.
I believe the reason you didn’t get the "Risorgimento" (didn’t become a republic) is because forming Italy itself is a requirement. If you read the journal entry, it says it will complete if you have formed Italy. So you only get it if you form Italy while having 25% radicals. Also the reason your radicals went below 25% is because your population grew every time you annexed a country so it didn’t reach 25%.
Good idea, but i disagree on the first part, unless i missunderstood your comment. :) I had several test runs where the pan nationalists took over and i became a republic as two sicilies without owning even half of italy.
Good point about the annexing part! I think paradox even removes radicals from countries which you annex through italian unification events to avoid annexation chains.
nice! did u figure out why u didnt become a republic?
No, i didn't. Still guessing it's because i had more than 25% radicals when i researched nationalism, but it's still just a guess. :)
Pretty nice, but I did it in 11.02.1845
@@TiPiDablju uh, nice one! Mind sharing the main idea how you did that? :)
@@DataTimelapses I will share it on my channel later this week.
buddy no one asked
@@nd6274 i mean to be fair at the end he did literally challenge people to do better
That is true, i did! Because i was pretty confident and proud that i got a pretty good result.
It was somewhat humbling that someone beat that result within the first 200 viewers. Well, pride goes before the fall, i guess. ;)