What do pros REALLY think of Modern controls? Street Fighter 6
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2023
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We ask the SF6 community at CEO 2023 what their thoughts are on modern controls.
What are your thoughts on modern controls? Drop us a comment down below!
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Modern is aimed for characters that you may want to play with one hand, such as Chun-li, Cammy, and Jury in mods.
This is the only authentic comment about Modern on this video l, bro!
And Gief for some...
@@semaj06gief wouldn't mind, he's all about them brojobs.
And aki
Virgin
why does no one mention its good for disabled players, im disabled myself and modern was the only reason i could pick up sf 6, being an ex mk fan i needed to scratch that fighter itch
4:11 hands down the best opinion
and not only for this, for a lot of things
I don't agree. Letting people play as they want to play would be a viable comment in a game where i don't have to play with others. Which is why i am fine with people having modern controls as training wheels in offline and non ranked modes because i don't have to play with people in those settings.
@@KiryuType-and you think you'll do better against a classic control player, if you can't beat a modern one?
Skill issue
Play what you like people, enjoy you lives
Good take.
Yes/ no. When it impacts others lives it's different.
Okay I’m new to sf but I actually want to learn how to do combos and the special moves, and it cheapens the work I put in to learn it for me when I get matched with someone who can do it with a single button press, honestly they should give us the option to only match with people using our control method.
@@yeeessimusprime3422f*** yo work. it's a game go cry about it or git gud
@@PaulRedeemedyou act like someone Playing on modern will effect them in any way
It won't and if does they are just a bunch of crybabies
I loved the quote 'A rising tide lifts all boats'. Modern controls aren't strictly better or worse. They're just different and make the game more accessible for players of all skill levels and lowers the skill floor for people suffering physical impairment like arthritis or learning disabilities, in my case it's autism, which can make learning new things a struggle especially when i feel stressed out in online matches knowing another person is watching me make mistakes. I think trading 20% damage and some buttons for easier execution of special abilities is fair as it lets the Modern user focus more on fundamentals while allowing room for Classic users to have a higher ceiling for potential.
The real deal in this interview Is that Justin confessed he now Is a zangief player too(even if it's for fun)
The addition of modern is great. Let's everyone play the way they want. More players means more SF in the future
Modern for the starters like me tho, but them old heads will still be hatin
@@IbukiCleanbecause you have advantage in the game
@@megaman2099facts.
@@IbukiCleanModern Zangief
@@megaman2099Modern controls are there to filter out the easy mode players with the so called hardcore players who think they're good just because they can do motion inputs but they don't have fundamentals. There's also no filter for moderns and classics because easy mode players get stomped in higher rank. That's why you see little to no people playing modern on higher ranks. It's like trying to use training wheels on a cycling olympics
It is going to be really interesting to see how this conversation changes overtime, seems like more and more pros are "unlocking" moderns potential over time
Lmao, "pros". They just want the easy wins 😂
@@bigwavesun if you're losing to Modern players it's literally a skill issue, you do 20% more damage and have twice as many normals. Modern players just filter the shitters out of ranked 🤣
@bigwavesun even on modern I take L's, it's not about the controls it's about the player and I'm trash
@@sucubai I don't agree. There are already characters with more or less damage in all fighting games. That has never been a reason for making something viable or unviable. Losing a bit of damage for incredibly high consistency is a highly favorable trade off. I mean losing 20 percent damage for never losing the anti air battle is a steal. Like the air is essentially 100 percent shutdown for a loss of 20 percent damage and that's just one benefit. Nobody can tell me that's a fair tradeoff.
Also, a lot of normals are useless in competetive matches already. So once again, losing a few normals isn't exactly a cause for alarm. I think
Loosing stuff is tough but I like what it adds to the game
Having two ways to play on top of the tools the characters have already is pretty cool
1:50 "Classically trained" I love that shirt lol
Also, Something is VERY EXCITING about seeing SO MANY GAME SYSTEMS set up, and SO MANY PEOPLE in the same building to play and watch those games. I 100% love to see it
If u paid 70 bucks and play on a ps 5 or Xbox, hell everything is stupid expensive so if u bought the game, play how u want. U paid the money. Do what u want
Me who just plays world tour and avatar battles on modern
Just chilling beating up NPC's and laughing the eldritch abominations people make
Its so nice to be able to play without my damned thumb bleeding. The constant half circle motion is hell on my finger. Also I suffer from reduced mobility and increased stiffness in my hands which makes those inputs painful after awhile. So modern controls are awesome
4:11 I needed to hear that.
As long as modern controls are presented as an option and carry its own strenghts and weaknesses, I'm ok. Providing a way to have a more accessible option to newer players is a necessity nowadays, and going for this route is the best option, instead of dumbing down all of the game's system and negleting the old players. Also, newer players can migrate to Classic If they feel restrictions on what they can do with the character of choice. Caring about both playerbase, old and new. It was the best choice.
"instead of dumbing down all of the game's system and negleting the old players. Also, newer players can migrate to Classic " It's ironic that old players are the ones actually migrating from classic to modern e.g. Haitani. I think when 2 mil is on the line it is what it is. For what its worth it looks like he's having hella fun
@@MostlyDrewYeah. It works both ways. They see advantages playing in Modern. Everyone will play the way they want (or the way they think it's more efficient). But, at least for now, I don't think it's a majority.
It impacts old players in a negative way as modern are simply shortcuts with minor drawbacks.
I’m ok with modern but the advantages are overshadowing the disadvantages especially on particular characters. They should at least give anyone the option to play against modern only or in other words the same or all control schemes. Being forced to play against modern isn’t alright
I believe modern is more for us casual players (non-pros), mainly due to not playing a lot. This allows us to learn our favorite characters more easily.
I'm pretty new to Street Fighter, I can't for the life of me get the super and special attacks inputs right, I always mess it up, modern helps me solve that problem and have more mental bandwidth to focus on the strategic and timing aspect of the match, which I'd say are the skills that matter the most? I do feel guilty for using it tho, because I get the sense it's one of those things that it's looked down upon by the players who are more experienced.
I feel Modern controls are better suited for players using a gamepad instead of a fight stick as a gamepad's triggers take longer to engage and thus wasting time. I didn't grow up in an Arcade in Japan so my preference is using a gamepad over a fight stick.
Use a 6 button game pad and use your right hand as you would on an arcade stick and your thumb on the left pad.
No need for modern or triggers.
Agreed completely. I’m able to do motion inputs relatively consistently but I do play on a pad so things like Z inputs can give me a bit of trouble. Soon as I saw modern I decided to try and and fell in love, even with the reduced damaged. I just think they’re fun :)
@@del_tane it's way easier to do moves on a pad. Your pad should be the full shape of a cross or + sign. There should be no gaps on the pad.
That is completely wrong
Inputs are faster on pad than stick because of shorter travel time, its just that they can be less comfortable. Especially for the more finnicky stuff (if you play old games).
Source: i used both
U mean a PS5 controller?
i'll probably never be a top tier fighting game player but modern games still lets me enjoy the game and be competitive in ranked. knowing that it's not banned in tournament is kinda nice otherwise it would feel like a sunk investment getting good with it. seems like most of the pros are open-minded so that's good.
Love that classically trained T-shirt!
Modern is dope with gief and lily, both of mine are diamond 4
First time seeing the channel gottta say i like the logo
Personally I like the addition of Modern Controls. originally I hated the idea as the video first showing it off was a guy winning with one button the whole time, but after trying it out, it's actually not as threatening as many, including myself were making it out to be. I would still use classic for some characters and modern for others. There's probably a few characters I would play where I would play with both. It just comes down to playstyle and what risks are you willing to take. Heck I would also switch between modern vs classic depending on the control method I'm using too, like using modern on a hitbox or keyboard and classic on controller.
Punk explained it perfectly, for the new players (like me) it’s great to use modern because classic can seem impossible when you first start out and as someone who’s used to mainly NRS games modern helps out a lot.
Yeah, still couldn't get use to the 6 attack button
I really don’t get why classic seems impossible when kids in the 90s already used classic controls
@@lightup6751 bc they haven't play MK first :)))
@@lightup6751scrubs man
@@phantoan522 mk has als9 classic controllers but nobody uses it.
good video!
Only problem I have with modern is that its not used as a stepping stone to switch over to classic. It genuinely is an alternative playstyle you can use. I wouldn't mind modern but it definitely requires more weakness than it does. The risk for classic is insane to use and modern should have something similar
You just suck.
Based JWong. Lol that one guy that was complaining that he gets destroyed by fast supers.
I think it is more a problem at low to mid level to high level. At low level its just better and takes away much of the skill acquisition side of the game enjoyment. At high level its just theoretical whether there is any advantage
Totally agree. Obviously really high level players are gonna smoke new players that use modern, but that doesn’t really have to do with control type anyway. People who are in low to mid level are just at a disadvantage, period. I don’t find that the damage reduction does too much to balance things relative to number of perfect anti airs and no-mistake auto combos that modern gives you. I feel like it takes away such a big part of fighting games as well, things like choosing which options/combos to do and when and dealing with the mental stack
People complaining about modern is pathetic and petty. Let people use what they want. I play modern and classic for different characters. I’m a SF veteran so I’m not using modern due to being new. People can use whatever they want. It doesn’t dictate their skill level. If you are a better player than your opponent who uses classic. You’ll beat them. And vice versa. Being able to do easy command inputs doesn’t make you good. It makes things a bit easier so you can focus on the other parts of the game. And it has drawbacks to make it fair. If you think modern is op, use it. If you don’t, then don’t. But don’t complain that others are using it. You won’t get better if you always blame your losses on everything except you. Focus on yourself.
I’m new to this game and I’m using classic because I want to learn how to do everything. Now I’m not saying it’s wrong but for me it cheapens the effort I put in to learning my first fighting game when I get matched with someone who hasn’t put that effort into learning the combos. If they just added and optional classification for ranked then I would be completely fine with modern controls.
@@yeeessimusprime3422 the modern combos are not optimal. You still need to learn combos. It doesn’t mean you didn’t put as much effort it. You can do some moves easier. But at the cost of damage and options.
Amen brother
I'm new asf to fighting games in general and I use classic ken only and modern Luke 🔥
Amen. I use a Modern Cammy.
the problem with modern control is that they have a huge advantage in situations were the reaction is necessary to win the fight.
is more faster to just press one button than doing a input + press button.
Easy, use modern and stop complaining.
Some of these dudes haven't played modern Zang so annoying
Just got SF6 a few days ago and picked up Ken. No way in hell I’m learning all these classic combos so I’m glad to hear modern controls aren’t gonna be a total crutch
Not a total crutch, but definitely a crutch.
It’s skipping a whole lot of practice and skill issue.
Nephew☺️
It should be in the settings to remove Modern players from your matchmaking.
Let people play how they want, I agree but that means I should have the choice to not play with them.
i play 1 match online against ppl using modern controls,only cause you accept the challenger blindly,if you could see who is using modern controls before accepting the challenge id not play with them,capcom should give you this oprion to see who is using it and whos not,or have them play against ppl with M control, M vs M
Losing to someone using Modern Controls online sucks imo
People always criticize me for using modern controls. I’m not good at the game. I’m not gonna lie. At least when it comes to classic controls. I’m horrible.
My answer- too bad there’s no way you’re going to tell me how to play the game. Oh and FYI buddy you could use modern controls yourself too, but just don’t tell me what to do.
Bro's strawmanning in his own comment. But yea you're effectively using a worse version of your character in turn of ease of play so modern is fine tbh
@@z1u512 there is no strawman here. Look up the definition before using it in a sentence.
fuck them people, play how you like. I've been playing sf for long years now and I'm so happy to finally being able to share it with friends and family.. also certain chars I can only play in modern haha
@@z1u512 You got your definitions wrong, for one. Number two, you don't get to tell someone else how to live their life. Free country and all right?
@peterszalai6056 Yes, I can play Ken on Classic all day, but not Cammy or Honda. Cammy on Modern is dangerous, perfect anti air. Honda level 2 special on Classic never works, I got to 4 star platinum without ever hitting a level 2 super, so I was actually less capable with Classic. I got Diamond on Modern just now. I'm also about to hit Diamond on Modern controls Cammy!!
I can't use Modern with Ken or Ryu, muscle memory won't allow it.
Modern controls is a way of life get use to it.
Seems like all the pros are positive/chill towards modern.
While casuals rage out haha! Maybe they notice the downsides of modern abit more?
Yeah because those pros don't suck at the game like those who complain. Anyone who complains is not good enough to fight a player who uses modern.
modern geif goo brrr
Testing someone’s reactions is a fun part of feeling your opponent out. When you or your opponent reacts to a clutch situation with a movement that required quick reaction time and a frame consuming motion to perform its like damn that was sick. Some of the hyper moments in fighting game history are exactly those kind of situations. That doesn’t exist with 1 frame specials and supers. It cheapens the game and makes what would be exceptional mundane. It’s the fact that it takes precious frames to perform the motion as clean and as fast as possible that makes reacting to a DI with a super when your backs to the wall so dope.
as a begineer who dont like modern controls, i just cant win against any modern controls user
A partir du moment ou un jeu de combat propose 2 gameplay différent cela provoque un déséquilibre. Il faudrait creer un mode classement pour les modern et un autre pour les classiques.
Pour les compétitions pareils.
C'est comme jouer en versus et modifier les avantages* pour un joueur.
Sauf que, y a aussi des matchups très favorables et des matchups très défavorables. Suivant la même logique, il faudrait donc séparer les classements et compétitions par personnage ?
Enfin tu vois ce que je veux dire, si c'est pas un problème pour les persos et le déséquilibre des matchups, je ne vois pas pourquoi ça le serait pour les modèles de contrôles. Genre dis-toi qu'un perso modern c'est un autre perso qu'un perso classique, et qu'il y a 34 personnages dans le jeu plutôt que 17
Let's get one thing straight, doing specials and supers on classic alone does not make you good at Street Fighter. Learning and mastering the fundementals is what makes you good at Street Fighter and that applies to both control schemes. High rank players like Justin Wong or Punk could body majority of you scrub casuals who are moronically exposing yourselves by complaining about Modern with both control schemes. High rank player like myself as well doesn't have a problem with Modern because i know how to adapt and play accordingly against the person using it. Shut up, get gud, and let people play how they want.
Moderns should play against moderns.
pros dont care what controls someone is on cuz theyre good at the game. only bad players rage or are toxic about modern controls bc they want their opponent to make input mistakes like they do on classic and think its cheap to play modern lol like punk said if youre good on classic then its better than modern. now if youre a BAD player on classic those are the ppl that think modern is cheap. but the real issue is that they're bad and are dropping inputs and getting punished
bro you wrote a whole paragraph just to essentially let us know you play on modern to avoid mistakes. your doing whatever you can to win which is a bitch move, but fair. do what you want we know where the real skill is lol no need to convince us of anything
@@kilz5752"No we don't" the irony here, you're the one who doesn't know what real skill is. You talk about convincing but when you read what you wrote the only one trying really hard to convince anyone of anything is you, you're seething and trying to cope. Just git gud and you wont have do scrub complaints about Modern.
Theres a reason the majority of pro players and high level players agree Modern isnt gamebreaking, nor does it negate the skill level of a player. Calling out the person not wanting to not make mistakes is the most scrubquotes thing I've heard in awhile. Ppl have been trying to find ways to minimize mistakes since SF4, for example hitbox controls arent just for more instant reactions but better execution as well, and since forever pro players have been trying to make things easier, this ain't new, it's not disruptive, this is why the real community embraces modern. Level up so you dont have to complain, because nobody talented is.
I'm a Classic player, will gladly prove it by playing some matches.
The only recurring theme here is that its become apparent only scrubs or ppl who reached the peak of their skillset are the ones who complain about everything you say. Always trying to find excuses why they dont do better or why new players who have just been playing SF for a yr are already surpassing ppl like you in results, who have probly been grinding for yrs. Theres nothing wrong with that except your salt. It just either means some ppl are really skilled out the gate, some ppl need to grind a long time to get skilled or the true reality is, you're just not as good as you think and wont ever be, and thats ok too, not everyone is good at everything, you always have other fgs to make your mark in.
Cant wait for a yr from now where all you guys will be so drowned out because no one is gonna entertain the whining anymore.
@@kilz5752tell that to Evo competitors that use hit boxes but would destroy you in a round with any control scheme 💀
That is a very bold generalization.
Also a black and white blanket statement.
There isn’t just good and bad players.
To most average mid players on classic modern controls represents an issue.
It’s not about dropping inputs.
The problem is that 1frame supers, auto canceling and instant anti-airs give a huge advantage.
Pro players are 1% of the community. The vast majority are casuals, long term or short. But if you play a game how it was played forever and all of a sudden they add an easy mode where new players can skip the execution skill one worked hard and long for the uproar is absolutely understandable. Not only that, but a trained reaction is rendered obsolete if someone can just mash and be quicker. It’s like giving the free option to take out dribbling in basketball or lower the hoop so anyone can dunk. Better players will still win. But they won’t appreciate that the game is made easier and damaging competitive integrity.
I beat 9 out of 10 modern players. But every once in a while in highest ranks there is a modern player that plays fighting games as long as me. And losing due to reaction time and an instant raw super definitely seems sketchy.
I am ok with modern tho. But they definitely need to give the option to play only against same control scheme. You shouldn’t be forced to play against modern.
If you make mistakes on classic you just admitted youre a damn scrub, so you play Modern. If you are so mentally weak that you make that many mistakes you need a crutch, you are going to get your scrub a$$ kicked period, even by an average player. The FGC culture worships skill, thats why EVO Moment 37 is revered. If you play on Modern dont expect any respect. garbage players on Modern should be banned from ranked and tournaments.
Lol so Tokido is wrong?
Modern controls are the best implemented control scheme Capcom could have come up with. Not everyone can throw fireballs, do dragon punches or they can't implement a fireball or tatsu into a combo. Not everyone has the time or the energy to spend on practicing everyday on classic, this is also where modern controls come in.
Just because you can throw a fireball doesn't mean you're good at the game.
To truly learn motion inputs it only truly takes 30 mins that’s not long at all it’s very simple we as players just tend to make things harder than they actually are
@@yinkazami6644 you're assuming everyone is the same and has the same motion learning capabilities. I've seen people struggle for weeks to learn a simple quarter circle move
@@killer0178 it’s rlly not that hard fr we just make it hard that’s all it is I learned motion controls as a kid but when ppl are teaching it they are not simplying it to the bare minimum so they are overthinking that’s truly what it is
Yeah, I have to call bullshit here. Modern controls literally allow people to throw in combos with no effort whatsoever. Which is a big problem in a game where once you're caught in a combo, you can't break out.
Tekken and Mortal Kombat both implemented ways a player could break out of being juggled, but Street Fighter doesn't have anything like that.
@@killer0178lol a week ???? Sounds like they didnt want to play the game tbh motion inputs take less than an hour to learn its not rocket surgery yall generation is ran by greed/attention seeking you want to look and play the part but dont want to work for it....
How I see modern controls is like a track race. Competitors can use an electric scooter that is slightly slower than the average runner runs. Yea dude on the scooter can never reach the speed of the other runners but he’s not doin nearly as much work as the other runners and he’ll never tire out. Take from this what you will
Pink is right, its not viable in a competitive sense. The people who are using it and winning would also be winning on classic
But it is viable. If they are winning with it it’s viable. Especially at the top level.
@@frothyslider253 how many moderns were in top 6? 1. I imagine someone who is a dedicated classic Chun player or if he played classic he could have won. Modern is a crutch lmao
@@666slateran666that’s not the reason. These veterans have been using classic for decades so switching to modern would be like relearning everything again. All the younger people who started on modern did really well at evo.
@@SquarePenix. Well I'm glad they can play baby's first street fighter with smash controls. I don't mind accessibility. But haitani using modern Chun is not the same as some random new person.
Still the best chun-li of evo was modern, better than the two others in the top 18
most of the classic controls sweat lords are using hit boxes anyway so their bitching is invalid.
If people want to play modern I don’t care, but is pisses me off when modern players try to convince you to play modern. Or when they say stupid shit about modern taking more skill then classic
There's no way you witnessed someone saying that modern requires more skill than classical
@@hugolambert848 a few comments were saying that they were tired of seeing “no skill brain dead classic players” and were wondering when people with actual skill(modern players) were going to play during the evo livestream(this is just one example. It’s not uncommon to see modern players sometimes complain about the existence of classic controls as stupid and ironic as that is lol. I always assume these are new players that transitioned to street fighter from smash bros
It’s teenager or kids that don’t understand the concept of execution and skill.
Definitely new players and not the brightest.
Because no modern or classic player or anyone in the actual FGC would think classic players have less skill. Using a crutch means less skill:
The annoying ones to me are the ones who say Modern is great for beginners before moving to Classic knowing damn well none of these scrubs are gonna give up their advantages 😂. Why would they when there is no incentive?
modern controls are cheap and cheat in my opinion,a shoryuken can win you a fight of a round or a level 3 super but what if you dont do the inputs right??! cause you had to pres F,D,F+ HP,MP, or LP,you lost,but someone who only presses 2 buttons for a level 3 super has smaller chance to miss,ive been playing sft since sft 2/tuebo on snes,i had to learn how to pull off the moves shoryuken etc on both sides of the screen,it took me practice and time learn those moves,then someone wirh mldern controls,just looks like they know a whole a lot moves and trick by pressing 2 buttons 😂😂😂
Hitbox should banned in any tournament
M control is cheap 1 input super come on 😫😫
These comments make it sound like Capcom achieved EXACTLY what they set out to accomplish with modern controls. It helps newer players who can't do classic inputs with consistency or speed without being exploitable by high-level players.
It's not very often that a difficult new mechanic like this works so well and is so balanced right from the start.
Sure, let people use whatever they want, just add a setting for match-making to specify if one wants to be matched with players using a specific control type. The nerfs to modern don’t offset one button supers, and the ridiculously lower barrier to consistent execution of complex combos that Classic players have to practice extensively and have done so for years.
Let Modern controls exist, just allow people to specify if they want to be match made against Classic, Modern, or both.
Yeah nah you right!
While we're at it, lets also add options to disable match making for specific characters like Honda since he has a lower barrier to execution of complex combos too... or not🙄
Thats a terrible idea. Only scrubs would want that. High level players don't want anything that'll minimize the pool of talent they can play against.
What you're actually asking for is a SCRUBS only mode. Let ppl specify who they wanna match of equal skill, which is silly cause than you can't properly level up. But if leveling up is not your concern than maybe create a casual mode only for ppl like you.
@@abxy2257 lmao right!
"Execution of complex combos that Classic players have to practice extensively and have done so for years."
This quote by that person was the most telling thing about his mentality and skill level. What that tells you is he's just mad he's had to put in so much work for yrs to get good at SF, and newer players are being just as good out the gate. Sounds like the issue is the person reached their skill peak and cant face it. Thats like being in any sport and complaining about the new young rookie being better yr one while youve been practicing for a decade and hes only been doing for 2 yrs. This aint new, that's how it is in any industry even with hollywood actors, some ppl have to put in more work than others, some ppl are just minding blowing from day 1, should we segregate anyone new and good and achieving results, just because they're already doing better than you?
You know what that sounds like? SALT, pure SALT.
Some advice, any truly talented person will tell you this, time is not a testament of skill, all because you been grinding for yrs and yrs, and all because what you perceive as difficult doesnt make you good, your natural talent, ambition and dedication is the testament of skill. That's life, we all come in different shapes and sizes and we all grow/get better at different rates.
"But would they be good if they played Classic'?
You can ask dumb questions like that all day. Would they be just as good if they stopped using Hitbox controls? Would they be just as good if they stopped using Fighting Game Pads? Would they be just as good if they used a character without a invulnerable reversal dp?
Skill is innate. What they're really asking is, "would they be just as good if they didn't find a way to enable their innate skill?" Do you see how moronic that sounds? Ppl have found ways to let their mental skill shine, which is what FGs truly is, a mental game not an execution one and any pro player will tell you this, and have said this.
What these scrubs are really saying is this "We're just mad we have to work harder now. "We're just crying because we have to deal with a bigger pool of ppl to compete against so now it's harder for me to achieve quicker success, wah wah." "We're mad its not as hard for them"(guess what its easier for you too now, you have no excuse, adapt or die)
That's what you actually sound like every time you mention how many yrs you've had to dedicate to get where you're at, and how modern players don't have to. Sounds the issue is really just you.
I say this as an old man who's been playing SF since SF2 in arcades, who mains Classic controls, ya'll sound like old men yelling at clouds, its embarrassing.
@@Hollowdarling
Honestly. You are way out of line.
You going on a childish tantrum over a respectful and reasonable comment of OP.
He wasn’t undermining anyone or disrespecting new players or modern controls users.
Yet you lash out like a bitter, angry old man.
Your analogy about sports and hollywood falls apart in itself.
you are comparing modern and classic to a rookie who is naturally more talented than a long time player. that’s not what is happening here. that is not the issue of modern and classic.
fighting games were always a mental game. but also always about execution. about reaction. physical execution is as much part of a fighting game as aiming in a FPS game. one button supers, 1F anti-airs and auto cancels removes an entire collective of skills.
a correct analogy for sports would be basketball changing to the free option not to dribble.
then rookie players coming in and beating older players that decide to keep dribbling and playing the game how it was always played.
you can’t fault any athlete to be frustrated. that’s not salt but reasonable critic. and the society and fan base would hate the no dribbling option. a completely understandable reaction.
actually most pro players welcome modern but agree that modern takes away a lot of skill required, that is the point of the crutch that is the training wheels that is modern. pro players still win. but 99% of the playerbase are casuals.
you also can’t compare hitbox or pad and stick, a control device, with a completely different control scheme. modern is shortcut skipping complex, intricate execution that is acquired by cultivating skill and yes time requiring practice.
and what you said about skill is flat out wrong.
the most successful people in the world will tell you that skill is absolutely something we are not born with but based on hard, dedicated and relentless work. putting in the time and passion into a craft. from jordan, ali to ronaldo or phelps. any legend will say the same. from ceos, to athletes, comedians and entertainers. they all agree. talent will only get you so far. it’s the training that makes your skill. your ambition and dedication in putting in the work and time is a testimony of your skill.
so taking out execution which is an essential part of the game, it damages the competitive integrity of a game.
like lowering the hoop in basketball so anyone can dunk. same for removing dribbling.
everybody collectively agrees that if the entire game would be only modern, the game would be dumbed down and a limited experience. modern is missing half of a characters buttons while giving automated execution.
if two players modern vs classic fight, they both play a different game.
to welcome modern is good to grow the FGC. but it is absolutely reasonable to suggest selective matchmaking.
I also play fighting game since SF2 and the early 90s. but I don’t think your logic checks out.
it is quiet odd that you react so clearly emotional and mad when OP phrased his opinion respectfully with rational logic behind it. your reaction revealed that you got some personal issue with people who are against modern being paired with classic. I don’t know why you so angry. but that has no place here. we can discuss this like civilized adults. but don’t give me shit or go on an emotional tantrum like you did on OP because I have a different opinion than you.
The reason Capcom will never separate the matchmaking is because if they do then I think no one will play modern/only a small percentage of the fan base will actually que up Modern matchmaking or just to fuck around and whatever your rank in modern simply will not matter to most people because you’re playing the lite version of street fighter. By combining the two in matchmaking it makes modern players feel like they are a real street fighter competitor. To summarize Capcom keeps modern the way it is for casuals and more casuals is more money. I will say though Capcom did try their best to make this work and keep everyone happy but I don’t think that’ll be possible
Play Juri, Chun, Rashid,JP, Or Cammy if your a modern player. The rest the cast trash except IDk about the Guile's & Blankas.
I think Zangief is supposed to be fire on modern too... i think.
@@MostlyDrew Nah, he lacks his most important tool, which is TOE STOMP on modern. You can't do it on start up, only during the Assist 1 phaze.
@@istart2finish238remove juri and jp and replace them with luke and ken
Luke, like cammy, loses ONE meaningful button in exchange for modern, and its not an important one
Juri loses 2mp, by far her most important normal locking you out of half of her meterless short combos
@@V2ULTRAKill ken suck modern
I hate that last scrub.
It's fine if you play with modern controls just be humble about your game play don't act like if you're a beast you can do the moves on classical modern if you can't do it on classic that means you have troubles performing the input meaning your correlation of gameplay is not up to par to compete with those that are so that's why you result tomorrow but don't jump on Modern acting like you to world's greatest player modern control is basically the game assisting you and helping you fight because you're in need of assistance
All of these pros are saying only good things about modern control, of course it's because they are paid by Capcom, they got the game before everyone else. Total bs.
Awful game.
Just wait till sf7 is exclusively modern controls only and then let's see if ppl still think modern is such a cool addition
I know people will disagree but if SF7 is exclusively modern I can see a lot of people dropping that game me included. And modern player screaming “LET PEOPLE PLAY HOW THEY WANT” will probably have nothing to say about Modern only in sf7.
I get the why, but dumbing down the game for a a few folk who normally drink at it never bodes well.
The main reason that modern controls are draining half the fun of the match is because , they providing unnecessary aggression to the player that is using them , simply because they dont have to actually think any motion at all
So yeah i will pass this game
If you think that youre bad
Modern players have to do all the same inputs if they want to actually succeed
These guys are spineless. This is why Tekken has easily taken king of fighters.
Morden is trash
In COMPETITIONS the controls MUST be the same for both players, or else it isn't fair...
Why not limit modern controls to single player only? If anyone wants to use "the crutch" it's their own fault, simple as that.
Inclusivity is bringing others up to par, not diminish the ceiling for everyone. 😏
"In COMPETITIONS the controls MUST be the same for both players" So remapping controls shouldn't be allowed then?
@@TheRealAetherFlow Since when remapping buttons was part of the conversation?
I meant classic vs classic and modern vs modern exclusively, not mixing the two.
@@alessandrobaggi6129 You quite literally said if controls aren't the same for both players then it's not fair. Remapping controls is making control schemes not equal. Out of every fighting game on the market SF players whine the most about control schemes.
If you have issues with modern players then they are better than you.
@@TheRealAetherFlow I can't play as often as years ago, still no sfVI, but no real problem, i just think it's fairer to seclude each control type in their own category.
Remapping buttons making things not equal is just your (wrong) opinion, not a fact.
@@alessandrobaggi6129 I'm not the one complaining about control types so no it's not my opinion. That's literally your opinion "In COMPETITIONS the controls MUST be the same for both players, or else it isn't fair..."
You do know isolating a player base isn't healthy for games in the long run right?
Isolating based off something earned (rank) is different. This is also why you're a consumer and not a producer, You'd run off your customers based off your feelings instead of what's true. Classic players struggling with modern players just means you're worse than they are. Anything else is cope.
Modern controls are for scrobs who don't want to try hard to improve
We just don't spend 10 hours a day playing games bro, I got a job at 16 rn
@Luvnvsty who said that u gotta spend 10 hours a day sir and u care u got a job
Modern is a cancer on this game
Its quite simple. Make fighting games faster. That way no one can be good at it until years of hard work and training. Modern controls are only causing a bit of controversy because the game isn't fast enough. Nothing truly nee about sf6. A game that forces twise as many moves at twice the speed will put everyone in the same level. It will also give birth to a new era of skilled players
"Its a crime" everyone KNOWS moder control is absolute BS and its for players looking to cheese they're way through the ranks with as LITTLE effort as humanly possible.
30 years with SF games. Because of Modern I said stop. SF6 is the last Capcom game I bought. Have fun yourself. Good luck and thanks for spitting on old fans of the series
Thank God. The 30 year old baby finally left.
@@C2HGaming are you idiot? Does 30 years of playing SF mean I'm 30? you're a fucking genius
Modern has too many downsides imo
What? Its easy mode for beginners
@@lightup6751 well it is and it isn't. It's simplified controls which allows for things that classic can't do. Or at the very least lessen the reaction times for reversals. Some pros say that there is tier differences depending on modern or not.
The main reason i skipped buying this game...
Modern is good if you're a beginner or a scrub.
Otherwise it's a disadvantage.
If you're complaining about Modern, you're exactly the player they're made for.
Folks who want to pretend otherwise can't even do it without mentionning the one name.
amen brother!
But what about some of the Japanese professional players using modern controls to defeat multitudes of other professionals to win entire tournaments? Genuinely, I would like to hear your thoughts. Doesn’t this mean modern controls are not just for beginners?
@@Boss__CQC Modern has its upsides but losing out on damage and buttons overall just makes it worse, pros winning with it just means the downsides aren't so terrible you might as well just not play
@@Boss__CQCThose players will destroy u with both controls. They are no reference at all.
@@z1u512
@triplemardito Clearly those same pros must've thought there were enough advantages to make up for it. It's a weird argument, "they're just really good, those pros would destroy you either way!" Well don't you think that a pro player's decision to learn a new control scheme, when their job is to win, tells you something about that control scheme's viability in high level play? That they thought they had a better shot at winning using Modern instead of Classic, despite literally having decades of experience playing with Classic controls?
Modern doesn’t need to be competitively viable at all. It’s training wheels. Imagine Lance Armstrong doing the Tour de France on a tricycle. If the control scheme is “for beginners to get their foot in” then they shouldn’t be viable for anyone over silver.
There was a modern Chun li in the top 6 finalists at evo lol
Training wheels but it removes tools and has a damage reduction. That seems more like it’s playing with 1 wheel. And Capcom didn’t make it as a beginner friendly scheme, they wanted it to be a viable alternative to compete with classic. And seeing how well Haitani did at Evo I think they’re pretty happy with them
Good, and keep the game niche and gatekept.
@@johkerx9107it’s a beginner friendly scheme there was absolutely no other initial reason for modern, anybody who says otherwise is coping
@@johkerx9107 It's only a damage reduction when you use the special move button, you can still do specials/supers normally and get the full damage. Not to mention normals and throws aren't affected at all in terms of damage.
Pros (and people that wanna make money) will keep a positive demeanor when people these days value inclusivity. This serves in every aspect of culture (trans, LGBTQ, BLM, race swapping). The truth is, Modern controls eliminate execution, which is an important part of fighting games, to try to pander to casuals without complaints and boycotts holding any water against the feature. The truth is nobody respects modern but as there isn't a way to see dislikes on UA-cam, being negative or a "boomer" and not embracing "progression" makes you look bad. All of this is done for public image and in their case money also. Anybody that wants to argue this is just naive or a troll.
Wake up babe new scrubquotes just dropped
@@z1u512 You ain't got no babe to wake up.
J'ai rien compris. Je vois pas le rapport avec cette merde de LGBT etc ..
Very true. A discussion about a control layout being competitively viable has become politically charged now. We live in a modern era.
What the fuck even is this comment lmao, you got so weird about modern controls that you started some 'woke culture' rant shit, man literally saw SF6 do modern controls and went full MAGA🤣
So basically modern controls means you trash but to be politically correct and receive more likes let's try to sound smart, tolerant and inclusive... Got it.
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@@that80ssongyoulove84 Modern...got it.
Its weird that people use your opinion Modern as a judgement of character. If I say I’m not in favor of easy controls I’m now a gatekeeper and elitist and also bad I guess.
@@frothyslider253 so basically, Modern...got it.
@TheGameGallowsPlay way more accurate interpretation than mine. I'll give their marketing team credit tho. "Modern Control" sounds a hell of alot better than. "You trash" mode. Which would have been my approach.
Modern control players are playing a different, much easier game.
Sorry but i have zero respect for modern players. You can climb the ranks with your insta anti airs, 1 frame supers and autocombos into l3 supers, but you will never be the same as players who do it the hard way, as it has been for the last 30 years.
If you think players get to high rank because of being able to do supers then i dunno what to tell you.
@@midgetsnowman That guy trying so hard to sound like a hardcore fg player/fgc head. Meanwhile not realizing(because if he actually followed SF) since SF4 days pros and players have been trying to find easier ways to do all these things for a minute, I alot of these pros and players he speaks of must suck then, so who is he exactly talking about? The scene and players have been using things like fighting game pads and hitbox controls designed to give you quicker reactions and insta-moves for too long now, heck something like a hitbox lets you literally cheat(depending on your view) because you can charge sonic boom and flashkick at the same time(something that game isn't designed for, again based on your view), you know who uses a hitbox? DAIGO, one of the Gods.
Modern isn't a peripheral that lets you cheat. Modern just gives you access to those tools from those controls from within the game. But still can't do some of the things those controls do. Ppl acting like this hasn't been a thing since at least 2010.
None of it is cheating. You know what time has taught us? All these alternative methods of playing have NEVER proven to give anyone a edge, the majority of tournaments W's is still dominated by ppl who use Nintendo/PS/Xbox controls and those who use arcade sticks. At the of the day, only true skill has shined, you either have it or you don't, no amount of execution or method of controls will change that. So stop crying about Modern and just git gud, or maybe its time you walked away from trying at something you're just clearly not gonna be better skilled at.
Also if you're complaining about autocombos into lvl3, holy CRAP that is some scrubquotes material right there, you def should not be playing the game if you actually think thats a real issue, holy cow...
On a positive note, the beautiful thing is so many more ppl can play SF now due to yet another new way of playing being born! Ppl with less fingers, slower motor functions, less finger dexterity, one had, blind, deaf, you know name it can all play SF now at a better level thanks to Modern.
Cry lil bro, newcomers like me ain't gon spend 10 hours a day just to practice a combo
Scrubs will lose no matter what, that's why they are scrubs. UMVC3 had simple control mode as well, only those simple controls players weren't stupid enough to claim they are legit.
Who cares what the pros think? Modern is easy mode and I cannot take it seriously 🥱