Yup more options are better. Modern controls i think will be great for fundamentals and once you feel comfortable and want to try for more complex combos the option is their to go classic
You having fun by being lazy ruins the experience for everyone else, i am a novice at fighting games and i don't want to play with scrub controls, now i have to deal with casuals who put no effort for anything doing auto combos and instant anti airs. If you want to have fun then play offline, your fun shouldn't come at the price of ruining fighting games. Changing an entire genre for lazy casuals to have fun is really disgusting, apply this to any other sports and you see how nonsensical it is. The fun in fighting games is getting better and learning, not mashing buttons like a monkey, so stop this "i just want to have fun" nonsense, your fun is destroying the genre, it's turning fighting games into mobile game trash. Everything in life requires effort, sacrifice, and dedication, if you don't want that then go play mobile games, which is what fighting games are becoming. I will blacklist anyone using this garbage, i will not play with people using it.
@Phantom_Zer0 damn fam it ain't that deep lul just get better forehead 💀 imagine being this mad because Capcom wants to bring MORE players to the game 😂
@@Phantom_Zer0 You're playing with classic, i'm playing with modern, you have the advantage. How am I ruining your experience? lmao, let people have fun, man.
@@deff1044 because its not that clear cut and that is where the concern from people is coming. when you have japanese pros out here considering switching to modern entirely, you can't sit here saying classic is the clear advantage. instant dps and supers, crazy option selects, easy hit confirms are all clear benefits of modern over classic and we don't know yet for sure how the balance is going to play out. people just don't want to be put in a situation where they feel like they are missing out on something on their character for not playing modern. classic is just straight up more fun for a lot of people.
The damage scaling still isn’t bad, because most people who use modern, wouldn’t be dealing that much damage to begin with with normal controls, hence why they want to use modfern controls. 80% of a ton of damage is more valuable than 100% of 20 damage
True. Also most of the people using Modern controls will be playing the story mode, fighting friends, or just having fun in low level online matches rather than trying to be the best of the best and going for the highest rank. I think its a great thing, hope it brings in more casual players and gets more people to try fighting games. I know a lot of people that smash is the only fighting game they play just cause its easy to just pick up and play.
@@ninjacats200 Have you been playing Hub? Everyones playing M controls. Their response time is wild! I'm only impressed when a C control player can beat me so bad, I might as well just put the control down.
Yup it’s me I’m the low level scrub ready to ABUSE this shit idk how y’all get those inputs to do crazy combos in classic controls, i tried for hours trying to do combo trials on Ken and Cammy but nah screw that I rather just spam a button🤣
It takes hours, days, months, to get your execution to the point where you can do it without thinking about it, and it's when you get at that point that you... well... become a beginner player and start learning match ups. It's just too much to ask for new players. Modern will most certainly remove that barrier and help people get into the good stuff much faster. And if you're serious about the game, you can drop that crutch at any time and learn Classic mode. Or stay with modern, trading damage and options for consistency and (possibly) faster reactions. I think this is brilliant and it will certainly encourage more people to give fighting games a try.
The problem with modern control right now is that it has some broken mechanics that make it stronger than classic controls. The 1input execution for special/super/ca/360 moves means all your moves comes out in 1 frame. That is broken, because in classic control you need 3 inputs for a fire ball, and even if you execute it perfectly, it takes 3 frames before the move is registered. It takes even long if it were super or 360 moves because it requires even more inputs. On top of that, people already discovered fucking option selects and auto hit confirms on modern controls. I have no problem with modern control helping new players learn, but its a huge problem when you see pros saying they are going to use modern controls for the competitive scene because it has a massive advantage over classic control.
Even as a classic player I still prefer the modern controls I don't feel like I'm locked behind one character because I can't get everyone else's inputs
Man, I just like the fact that I can do a simple DP. I prefer classic, but I can do pretty much every input except the DP motion. It's the thing that's been holding me back for years. Quarter circles, half circles, double quarter circle, hell I can even do pretzel motions reliably, but that damn Z input kicks my ass for some reason.
That's my biggest thing. I've lost to z inputs way more than anything else in every street fighter I've played. If I main a character that has a z-input and it's a REALLY core move to their kit, I'm almost guaranteed going modern controls.
Having played the closed beta full of ppl who are vets of the series: the modern control users didn't feel at an advantage, nor a disadvantage. Game IQ or overall fighting game awareness played a part. It just creates more styles, like any other sport tbh. Different paths to the same goal. Players can overcome the lower damage output with different factors. I welcome the input and played with both. What will be interesting is discovering which characters feel better under which input method. Solid video.
putting myself at a disadvantage for not using modern on my main if thats the most powerful version of her is dumb as hell. if that turns out to be the case, capcom screwed up.
The closed beta only gave us shoto's and speedies and extremely low tier characters like Jamie and Luke. It wasn't a good foundation for the rest of the game if you watched the gameplay footage from L.A. with the rest of the cast.
@@evalangley3985 hmm, that might be true but you’re assuming the move translates over to six. Even with the beta I didn’t have enough testing time; however that isn’t to say I didn’t have some good streaks without it. There are moments I felt that I wanted to do more, but that didn’t stop a 14 game winstreak with Luke on Modern controls. I think when a pro wins using them ppl will be convinced, but you really can make a character your own with whatever you’re using. To another’s point saying you need to be lucky or smarter.. that’s pretty much what fighting games are? They aren’t linear; that’s what makes them fun. It’s like using Akuma.. sure he has low health, but it’s because he can delete your character quickly. Modern controls may not allow the full range of move sets, but the devs are hoping you’ll maximize the fight itself and take advantage of as many openings as possible. I just say let ppl play the game and determine what works for them. To be sure, stats are objective. How they play out for a user aren’t.
To answer your questions yes. Instant super even at a slight damage nerf is important. Let’s take for example Luke’s Anti air options. If cHp, jMp and DP are compared. DP still should give better Oki than the other 2 situations. The problem a lot of people face at the mid level is, with mental stack, reacting to a jump in and imputing f,d,df is jarring to then. Having a 1 button DP aliviates this. Additionally let’s consider fireball wars. Let’s say you know the ex is coming and as checkmate you want to super the opponent. 1 button super reduces the chance of human error vs that of classic input. To say which is “better” though will come down to time and results
Genuinely not worrying about how many times I have to move the stick in specific directions along with order of buttons allowed me to actually pay attention to what my opponent was doing for once. I actually did pretty decent in a fighting game for the first time in my life besides smash.
That's a benefit of Modern and a big draw. Especially when it comes to anti airs and supers. One button DP and Supers will free up your brain to focus more on neutral
@@SquarePenix. i mean youll still get filtered into a lower rank than me anyways so why should i actually care Simple controls will never be efficient enough to take to EVO
@@V2ULTRAKill I don’t know about that. Some characters have there weakness with modern controls, like Ryu for instance. I believe he’s missing about 7 possible attacks. Where Luke is only missing 2-3 attacks. 1 button press= 1 frame supers while traditional controls for a super will take about 3-4 frames if inputted perfectly. Also one button auto hit confirms?! That’s just two examples of the advantages. Pros are already seriously considering modern controls, it changes the game drastically. There will be modern controls at EVO unless they are banned. Guess we’ll see who’s comment ages better. 😏
@@SquarePenix. Honestly, no disrespect. But you are being self entitled for saying that. People are not haters for giving reasonably critic. There is absolutely concern for modern controls as it kills competitive integrity and dumbs down the game. You can enjoy it if you are lacking skills or are too lazy to learn to get good. But regressing a game is never a good for the longevity of a game. It just divides the community. This is the equivalent of lowering the basketball hoop 15 inches and then calling long time athletes complaining haters
This is pretty much my exact opinion on the matter, the Modern control is very good at what it is proposing and it will certainly help new players a lot, but even being a new player myself, and not using my kicks as much as i probably should, the feeling of buttons being missing is weird
@@kingofdragons7 Except that there is plenty. While it is good for helping new players to get into fighting games, it is also broken in competitive play. 1button special or super moves are fine, but because its 1 input, it means it takes 1 frame to execute the move. In classic control to do a fireball, you will need to do down, down + forward, forward + punch, which takes 3 frames to execute if you execute perfectly. For other moves like uppercut that goes through neutral it will take more than 3 frames, not to mention you can't do clean and perfect execution all the time and you will get wasted frames. Then there are super, CA and 360 moves that requires much more inputs but are still 1 frame in modern controls. And then people already discovered auto hit confirms and auto option select unique to modern controls. Pros are already talking about using modern controls competitively. If modern controls is to only help newbies learn, they should not get such broken advantage. Capcom should take away auto hit confirms and auto select, and add startup delay on special moves to match the classic counterpart. For example, a fireball on modern control should have 2 frame startup delay on top of the 1 frame execution to match classic control's perfect input time. Modern control will still be consistently faster since it won't always be perfect input with classic controls but at least it much fairer.
@@Itslewcario Modern control was designed to bring new players into the game, not make it advantageous in the competitive scene. If players have to use modern controls to have a competitive edge, that means the game core design is to make the skill ceiling lower. SF6 was supposed to bring back the higher skill ceiling which was reduced in SFV. The idea of of modern control was to help new players learn without disrupting the competitive scene, but now you have not just 1 button instant reaction without execution skills, you also have auto option select and auto hit confirm... wtf? Capcom needs to fix modern control or risk ruining the competitive scene. Or perhaps it was Capcom's intention all along to devolve SF's traditional execution based fighting game into a simple one like Smash Bros.
@@skychaos87 yep. It’s all ab money. It’s not necessarily a bad game tho, I have fun on both modern and classic. Honestly it’s a play with what comfy for you situation
I feel like Modern Controls in SF6 are meant to funnel more inexperienced players so that some might want to switch to classic if they're invested enough into it. They'll either be happy with Modern or want more from the game to experience. It's not an alternative to Classic, it's a launch pad for newbies and casuals.
I think this is also the intention and it's pretty smart if it works out well. The single player campaign will even have minigames that trick you into learning motion inputs for those who might want to eventually switch to classic. I personally think the idea that modern controls will overtake classic at the competitive level is an overreaction because the lower damage is a big deal. It means you'll have to win neutral more and your opponent has to respect your neutral less because your options are less threatening. You may even be missing important normals for neutral or combo extensions. None of this matters for new players though and I think it'll be a great way for them to get started and either enjoy the game with modern or decide to get more out of the game with classic.
Exactly what I was thinking, it gives new players a chance to learn the other fundamentals like neutral and matchups without having to focus too heavily on combos and inputs, which they can then learn later when they're a little more confident in the game
Pretty good video, but here is the finality of the situation... There is a casual audience that will be getting into fighting games for the first time, they would not and will not exist without this control scheme, they don't care about getting better and they honestly don't want to get better, like Smash Bros they just want to sit down and pummel on something or beat up their friends, they also make up the majority of sales (like it or not old heads, we keep the community going after they're gone but they are the reason the game gets made.) So it's neither here nor there, we know classic does slightly more damage and the set ups and combo strings are endless and sky high as far as skill cap goes, but modern has to exist and should've before this in order to get as healthy of a player base as possible for as long as possible, we had Simple Mode in MVC/UMVC3 and that brought players in and this is the obvious evolution of that system.
Well said man. I’ve been playing sf for over 20 years and I think modern is great. The people playing casually are just as important to the games life span as anyone else. If modern controls welcomes and keeps new players then I am all for it, if it doesn’t it literally doesn’t effect my experience at all so I see it as a win-win
I'm a beginner at traditional fighters, and the idea of modern controls is something I support wholeheartedly. Contemporary and future IPs should definitely strive to make their controls streamlined/intuitive (especially for standard controllers), and I'm glad games such as Project L are going in that direction. It makes me want to stick with Modern on Pad merely out of support for Capcom's decision. With that said, I want to dive hard into SF6. I'm going to stick with Classic because I do own an arcade stick and I want to experience the game how long-time players have experienced the series, and develop the skillset that comes with motion controls.
It sucks that people want to gatekeep and talk down on modern controls. I feel like anything that can help get new players in while making the game more accessible is a good thing 👍🏻
In hindsight, I think I downplay modern control too much in my video. Even though this is not for me. This option is here to stay. And it is a decent learn fundamental with. The only true problem is that this enables spamming. And it’s not good for new player.
Good video. I think the toughest part as a classic control veteran would be the normals thing. Some people are pushing modern mode as something super viable because of the 11F Diego whiff punishes, but who cares if I lose vital normals for damage and neutral? As someone that literally plays SF because of the 6 button normals it wouldn't be for me.
I've played since sf4 release and have been on and off the series in 5 but I'm fully back because of modern controls. I do switch back to classic a lot as well. It's nice to use modern to understand fundamentals with a new character being pressured with inputs in the mental stack in my semi-casual head. Really feels like it encourages me to try the rest of the cast
The modern controls also really help with world tour. It's too early to say for sure, but I don't think either would work on their own as far as appealing to non-fg players. The two combined seem like they'll lead to a fun, low stress/commitment experience for anyone.
@2:38 As a person who has played many of these games over the years and competed, the one biggest limitation to everyone is themselves. Just because there is a better combo out there, doesn't mean you shouldn't feel like you accomplished something. With time and work, the result gets better. Just like with skill or hobby.
I think that classic right now is definitely the way to go 100% However, if you or your friend is new and just wants to play to have fun pls don't try and force them to play classic unless said person is specifically in love with the game and wants to play for the long haul. If not try modern and just button mash and have fun.
As a new player I see modern controls as a taste of what is possible. After all, I think it's really cool to be able to strategise and think while not focusing on how to actually do what you want to do. Modern controls provide a shortcut to demo version of that. Now, I try to learn classic controls for the character I picked using modern.
Something I think if funny is that when you’re playing against someone in sf6, it shows what controls they’re using You get a label out on you for using the easy controls. In the beta, I played and won against a modern control Juri and they got mad and called me a masher. My brother in christ, that’s what your control method enables YOU to do. You literally get a big fat M under your name for MASHER.
My brother decided to try the modern system in the beta since he's done poorly in most fighting games with motion inputs. He tried it and realized it was smash bros controls. He immediately started bodying classic control players above his skill level since he knows how to read and play footsie.
personally im someone that joined because of modern control and im already adapting to classic inputs within modern scheme. but i do eventually plan to swap over once i get the core of the couple of characters i like down to a science. then ill spend my time learning the normals i missed out on. but ill be real, i personally love how reactive i can be on modern. im extremely good at reacting and cuz of that the damage trade off evens out. (at least in my eyes).
I think it is important to understand modern control is more in line with how other games work. In Elden Ring I don't have to press 3 different buttons to do my full 3 normal swing combo. I just press R1 3 times. I want to do my "special" (aka spell or weapon art) I don't need a motion input I just press 1 button. Modern control penalizes you with some damage loss, and it takes away full control short of doing the classic inputs. That is the drawback, and that is why Capcom has made it clear Modern is allowed in ranked and actual events.... including Capcom Cup. It also makes the game hugely more approachable for special needs players who might have a damage to hands or finger, or arthritis etc. Accessibility matters. I would also say beating level 8 CPU at all seems hard regardless of the control style you use. Tons of videos out there of multiple pro's (many who did participate in the beta's) still getting washed and having to learn/make adjustment to beat level 8 classic control or otherwise. Of course this is all moot if you use Dynamic then you just stand still and spam 1 button and destroy level 8 like a joke. Fortunately Dynamic is not allowed in any online matches, much less actual events lol.
Modern and Classic attracts different kinds of people, Classic control players (myself included) find it more enjoyable and satisfying to land combos and sit it training for hours to try and get that one perfect combo. Modern control players are more laid back and don't really wanna sweat their hands off doing a a hard to hit combo that doesn't really do much damage other than it looking good. Fighting games were never really hard to begin with it's a bad stigma made by people who are intimidated by fighting controls since it's so vastly different from other games as to how they control but Classic controls definitely gives the illusion that the game mechanic is changed for the newer players when in reality it's the exact same. I'd say if you loose to modern control players it's definitely your own fault
I used to lose almost every match. Not a fighting game player, but i wanted to play SF6. I had two big win streak using Modern Controls (12 & 9) when in SFV, i couldnt win two in a row. I enjoy the game so much more, i can focus on what is going on and not miss everything. As a casual player who doesnt have the time to practice countless hours to learn everything, im glad they added Modern Controls.
What did I learn from the closed beta? I'll use the classic control, as always. But some characters improved a lot using the modern controller. My Guile has improved by 300%. The less damage makes no difference if the opponent can't hit you. If you hit the enemy first you can drain some life from him and watch him despair as time passes, causing him to make even more mistakes. Some characters will have better normals than others in the modern controller, so, just like in the classic controller, where we have to scout(search) the characters that we are better at, this same search should happen in the modern controller. In modern control you gain advantages and disadvantages. It won't work for all characters, but it can be quite fun for some of them.
The fact that you can do 100% Flash Kicks and never miss with Guile with modern controls is absolutely huge and Guile is already one of the best characters in the game even without modern controls. Even the best players in the world never make 100% of their flash kicks...so Guile having that be 100% accurate every time is a huge buff for him
Wait could you explain how charge characters work with modern controls? Do you still need to charge or you can instantly throw out a sonic boom like you'd with a hadouken?
@@thex8118 We still need to charge. But in sonic boom we don't need to put forward. It makes too easy. The problem is facing the lack of options in normals and the lower damage. If we put it forward Guile shouts "perfect" and Sonic boom comes out stronger. Using the 3 buttons it is also possible to change the speed of the magic.
Ive been playing since SF1 in arcades, I am pretty decent but execution has always held me back. Ryu was never really an option for me as I could never reliably anti air DP on reaction to a jump in. With modern controls, its easier to hit f+SP, or even d+SP+HP for level 3 as an anti air on reaction. This alone changes the game IMO, it frees your mind to focus on gamesense/footsies without worrying about getting the execution/inputs when you need them. I mainly play grapplers as their execution is normally less intense for small combos/tap grabs etc, but even Zangief will benefit from MC. I can spam SPD much easier when its one button rather then wrecking my dpad with 360s. Also dash up/rush dash into SPD/Level 3 grab will be so much easier. Or if its to punish a missed DP or something, I can manually 360 into SPD/Level 3 for full damage. Of course we lose normals etc from using MC, but you just adapt and change the b&bs to be most efficient you can get from MC. But also mixing in manual motions when its easy to do so to not get the damage nerf. I cant wait to mess around with grapplers and MC.
As someone who's lost many matches at bronze level because I suck at execution and can't dedicate the time needed to build up the muscle memory and confidence to execute simple bnb in a match modern controls has doubled my win rate as I now have access to way more options that would take hours to unlock. There are many casuals that bail after playing hundreds of matches and see their win rate as less than 30% then give up before they get anywhere near the real fun.
I'd rather play modern controls because of the Convenience. Personally I didn't like studying those damn inputs for hours on end like it was homework especially for someone who just wants to play casually and be at least decent as well. Personally doesn't bother me at all I'll still play classic too but I'm not angry because they want new players to at least have fun playing their game.
I think modern control are perfect for a first step, you can always make the switch to Classic and get the full experience of the character but for a first experience I think it’s better that they give you less thinks to think about, being in this case what you can do. It surely feels restrictive but not everyone needs/wants to pull a very hard combo with multiple inputs every time; in that case having some special available behind motion seems the right choice
If anything, I think it makes beginners less likely to actually switch to classic controls for a full experience because you have to learn the execution to pull off combo's and get the same good results you were getting with Modern controls. It's a double-edged sword, and we don't know how this is going to work for different characters. How will this work for charge characters or complex characters like Dhalsim?
@@juliusdv6657 the issue with classic with stick players and getting the frame perfect input on controller. It’s way harder compared to stick or pad and this is a good way for people who wanna close that gap up. Personally I think it’s gonna be character dependent. Luke is solid on modern but characters like Chun Li may suffer losing most of her kit
Dynamic remove so much that if you are in the corner and knocked down, ur only wake up option is drive impact, otherwise u will have to block cuz u don't have ex dp, u don't have fast jab, opponent is a bit away, you don't get throw on wake up
I hope capcom nerfs the special input for modern control. Add delay or an animation that mimics classic input. Like add a crouch + crouch forward + forward movement when you press fireball, the same way a special input looks when you do it in classic controls
As someone who used to play back in the Ps1 era and before, I just can't do special move inputs reliably anymore. I tried with classic, but couldn't do any of the stuff I wanted quickly. I think I'll stick with modern.
This is why I think something like modern controls are necessary. It's just not remotely fun for new players to have to sit and practice inputs for 10 hours in training mode before they can fully reliably do basic shit. Maybe the SF6 modern controls have some issues that need to be tweaked, but I think the basic idea is necessary
Yeah I was hoping modern controls would a viable alternative to classic, not some sort of weird training wheels. After many hours of practice I still struggle with special imputs sometimes, especially in clutch situations. It just feels like an outdated system from when controllers had like 4 buttons. I guess many grew up with it but I don't get the appeal, for me the game itself should be hard to master, not the controls. But what's the point in using normal mode if I still need to use classic at higher levels?
Definitely disagree. There are tons of players who reached masters with classic controls(including myself though I still prefer classic as it's more satisfying to land). It's completely a different control setup rather than a "stepping stone" If you fully understand the classic control layout you can easily beat high level players granted with practice like with classic. The way SF designed this is to be an alternative to classic directly. It's clear it was not done with the sole purpose of guiding players to classic later on. It genuinely is just an alternative option players can take
The problem with SF is that all the damn special attack imputs REQUIRES at least a quarter circle imput, or the unintuitive Shoriuken like ones, which to me are so damn weird to execute. And this is coming from someone who tends to spam a quarter circle vertical move in Soulcalibur VI but hey, that is ONE attack that requires such imput, the others are either just one directional imput, maybe two and like you can perfectly win with just using moves that barely requires you to push up to 3 buttons max. SF however DEMANDS you that you master at least 4 buttons (By this I mean 3 directionals + 1 attack one) to just use a damn hadoken, so as you can imagine, someone that even tried a fighter like could be Smash (Questionable if that genre classifies as a fighter) or Soulcalibur that has a lot more simplified imputs or even an absolute noob having to imput the absurdities that SF asks you.... Mate is simply not something so easy to do. I remember playing on World Tour, noticing that imputing the classic moves gave more damage and that I could do quarter circle forwards so I can spam SandBlasts, and at some point my imputs kept getting missregistered. My character more often than not either did a forward kick or a crouch kick instead of SandBlast, and if you abuse that move enough in your playstyle you end up pretty much requiring to assign that move into the modern controls brackets to be able to spam them knowing that your character would surely output the move youre asking them to do. And like I said, that's cause Im fairly used to imput a quarter circle forward + attack button from my main in SC VI but hey, while I do that move frequently, is not ALL the time. I do have other special moves that require way simplier buttons, so you could say that the 236B imput that that attack requires is among the hardest to imput in SC VI while in SF6 a 236L/M/H-P or 236L/M/H-K would probably be among the easiest. That change is reason enough for people to stick to modern controls. Cause another thing is that SF has 6 attack buttons too (3 punches, 3 kicks) while SC VI only has 4, being the 4th a dedicated guard/block button, which SF lacks, forcing you to backwalk or crouch backwalk. I would say that SF pretty much REQUIRED to have a tool like Modern controls simply to stay relevant as a game, specially when betting with something like World Tour.
Stumbled across your videos while researching hit boxes for sf6, I like your style and looking forward to seeing how your fighting game journey progresses 👊
I love the new modern controls even if I know I'll never use them. I like the difficulty of learning combos on classic. But my family and friends can now play the game and learn very little to have fun.... that being said .... im afraid of gief even more now .... a dash and a near instant command grab ....
I swear, I honestly love the modern control change even though I'm never touching it. Though each time I see a gief player on modern controls I get ready to shit my pants haha
I think that you could reason using classic input while extending combos, and for some, they'll just adapt to using the macro system to get those normal's back. It'll definitely be viable. At the cost of damage potential, but characters like Zangief for instance. Will most likely suffer minimal loss on that front. I think it's a pretty easy trade off. I think the people that modern controls will hurt the most are the gold-diamond players. They'll really have to stay aware of their positioning. Because being able to whiff with an instant super is definitely over powered. If not broken at that level.
Here’s how I’ve been using the controls as a someone who just started trying to “git gud” at fighting games in the last four months (essay incoming): The timing on combos feels much more strict in SF6 than any other fighting game I’ve played (SFA3, T7, GGST, GGAC+R, GGXrd, Darkstalkers 3) except for SF4. I did a couple hours on the classic controls but the timing for links and specials cancels were very inconsistent. Saw a Diaphone stream where he mentioned that ppl were sleeping on modern controls and figured I’d give them a shot. Playing with modern controls I improved MUCH faster. The demo gives limited options for training mode but modern controls have helped turn my 10-14 touch wins into 6-8 touch wins. I still do motion inputs but having the option to use the special button has been incredibly helpful when trying to use specials in combos. And guess what I found. After a couple of hours of modern controls, I switched back to classic to compare how it felt to modern controls and I was better at the classic controls. My special cancels are still incredibly inconsistent but I was able to link normals together much better. I think if you’re a new player, there’s really no reason to use classic (at first) other than swag points. Modern controls help you learn to crawl, and then walk. Switching to classic later on will feel easier as a newbie once you have the mental side of the game down. The freedom of moves offered by classic is less likely to affect a new player because all the average, non competitive player needs to know is a poke or two, a whiff punish, an anti-air, and one or two very basic combos. I’ve heard that some characters are much worse with modern controls (i.e. Chun-Li) but the games not out yet. A lot of my friends who are really resistant to playing fighting games got really excited when I told them about modern controls. I think it’s going to be a game changer for fighting games. And to the people doomsaying abt classic being worthless because of instant DP, y’know is grapplers are always considered broken on launch? I have a feeling modern controls are going to follow a similar route, feeling broken at first, before being revealed to be actually pretty balanced.
@@thatDoubleT absolutely agree there. i think a lot of the discourse on it has gotten pretty polarized, when really we just need the game to be out for a few weeks before anything concrete can be determined. really enjoyed your video, especially your levelheaded approach. Also do you watch Alpharad by chance? You use the same song from Undertale during your likesharesubscribe cta as he does.
I mean you are all assuming that Zangief won't be like Guile and require extra conditions to do SPD. It; s very likely they will do something to restricts easy 720s and 360s
I’m a Jin main in Tekken, and I’ve played Dragon Ball FighterZ, but I struggled a lot getting back into SF. And I was 12 when I last picked it up. I tried to play classic like it was Tekken, but the lowered forward momentum isn’t it for me. Modern feels closer to FighterZ, which is my only point of reference for a good 2D fighter, and now I’m getting the hang of it. I’d like to switch back to classic at some point, especially after seeing that cross-up on Chun-Li. It’s just a grueling game to see what juggles into what while I play footsies.
In modern you can do Drive rush Auto+Medium, Down Heavy 214M perfect, 214L Perfect, 214H. For Drive loops I only know Auto+Heavy into Drive cancel Auto+Medium, Down Heavy into Drive cancel. Also the reason why would someone not play on classic despite doing the actual inputs is because you frame one specials like anti airs or supers. Modern control might restrict you from some normals and specials but it isn't a bad trade off when you aren't even going to use them
very interesting video, your pretty funny, the 9 minute mark started making me lol just so relatable. im not deep into fighting games and sf6 is my first street fighter so i wanted to see, currently using classic tho. think thats the problem im running into, modern controls and didn't even know it. great content
I think modern controls is a huge benefit for those who play strictly neutral or keyboard/hitbox style controllers. As someone who focuses on only reacting, reading, and poking my opponent, having a combo that's automatically inputted does way more than what I would normally do. Plus, I would rather take a 20% damage nerf than to misinput a DP when I wanted to throw a fireball simply because I was holding forward before inputting QCF.
Nah there is no benefit like that, it just purely depends on the person. I play on hitbox and I've tried modern for over 20+ hours, it's definitely great but doesn't improve my reaction speed or anything. I noticed the same thing I did normally it's just less buttons I had to press down but that didn't result in my mind being less distracted at all. It's mainly just practice the more you practice with classic the less misinputs you do as it's engraved into your muscle memory. I remember when I first started out I always used to do a DP by complete accident when I wanted to throw a fireball but later on it became engraved into my muscle memory to stop for a bit before throwing a fireball. Modern controls are simply for players who wanna get into the game quickly at a decent level without needing to invest time to fully understand the game's mechanics which is amazing since it's the reason the game is incredibly popular rn
Nice video, I'll be keeping an eye on your channel! As a suggestion, I would hope some of the serious examples and comparisons can stay on the screen a bit longer if you dive more into the gameplay stuff in the future! Subbed.
Modern control reminded me a lot of Fantasy Strike & let’s me focus more on spacing and punishing than just rushing down with combos and prevents close-up-button-mashing. I like it for what it is, because things like spamming specials and mashing really holds new players back from learning crucial fundamentals. And they are supposed to be inferior to incentivize players to eventually switch to classic. Great call in my opinion.
As someone plays mortal kombat and street fighter and I like to consider myself a fighting game veteran at this point. (Honda main on modern btw) classic controls require too much what feels like button mashing my D-pad and the inputs required are just too much for the time i have to combo the guy while hes still venerable I have to input a insane amount of controls in such a short amount of time however I do think that its fair that modern doesnt do as much damage but I can still beat other people online if I know what im doing so I'm glad that option is in the game
Comparing to my times playing with friends and folks who are really into FGC, and myself more just liking the combat of fighting games and more casual. I always like having an option to make a game playable for myself, even if it means the experience is different. I'll take lower damage or maybe a few missing moves, rather than breaking my fingers trying to do certain inputs that are hard for myself to do, or too many buttons for attacks, especially on controller. It's even better if i can have a middle ground, simple normal attacks and still being able to do inputs if i want to. I like deciding how i string things together rather than fully doing everything for me (I actually kinda hate the auto combo button, specials are mine to use goddang it). If i can't do as much damage as you, then i need to be better about not taking damage and reading, and be patient as I hack away at your health. Every fight becomes a boss fight, that can end horribly for you if ya do the wrong thing aaaand i kinda like the frustration of it XD. (Unless someone decides to be an arse about it, thats never fun)
Tbh, I think modern controls will be decent on grapplers and dedicated zoners. For the former, their tools in often already exist as special inputs, so giving them easier access to them can be a buff. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if you lost access to special/command tick throws by using modern, so I may be wrong. Zoners, on the other hand, seem hardly nerfed on modern. Their gameplan is basically a flowchart already: play keep away with projectiles and punish jump-ins/rush-down with DPs or other appropriate responses. Giving them access to a reaction super basically means that on a life-lead and good gamesense, they can run-away with a game. After all, punishing a zoner often relies on forcing them to make mistakes. A simpler system makes this gameplan much harder to carry out on them.
Modern control will help on people who struggle to do quick moves like dp and supers. Where sometime is crucial. Things like anti air DP and instant react super can actually be a game changer for certain type of players even with the lower dmg. Although at the moment, we dont really know too much on how good or bad the modern control is in. We can only wait.
This is why people need to take the time to learn the basics. Most characters either have a crouching heavy punch or standing heavy kick that can be used as an anti air (aka an alternate option for anyone that struggles doing DPs). That option has been there the entire time.
i been playing sf since sf 2 and doing inputs always confuses me, yes after a while i was able to do some stuff but it was still hard for me to do, with modern controls, its easy and my brain can relax and not stress as much. mc isnt a bad thing like how other gamer boomers are trying to make it. if ur good then ur good, if not then do better or play the cpu
I bought the game because of modern controls. I've always wanted to play a fighting game but all the combos were too overwhelming. I'll gladly take my damage penalty while learning the fundamentals.
The damage penalty is not really that drastic tbh. It genuinely feels the same also controls for fighting games were never really that hard to begin with. It "seems" overwhelming because the way fighting games control compared to other games are so vastly different that it seems intimidating. I remember when I played guilty gear for the first time and I had 0 idea what I was doing and kept loosing to my friend who kicked my ass. It's when I decided to sit in the lab and train and now the controls feel so natural to me that modern controls feels suffocating to use in a way since I don't have the freedom. Overall. Nothing wrong with modern controls, It's just for players who want to play the game casually without taking it too seriously, but learning a fighting game is definitely not hard at all. It's just a stigma a lot of people (including myself) had whenever we first see or try to get into a fighting game
Tbh, the damage loss to me is not significant enough. I do agree though, after hitting Gold 1 with Modern Cammy, it does encourage me to inevitably want to learn her better on Classic. Thats not to say I cannot play Classic, I definitely can, but idk if I would have ever hit G1 with her strictly playing modern. But yeah, to reiterate, I do not think the damage loss is enough personally to just NOT play Modern at all, especially if you are able to keep pressure on your oppponent. For instance, if I do a simple combo that knocks my opponent down, there are a LOT of things that I can do to keep my damage consistent, some of which some people just dont expect to happen.
Normals doesn’t have a damage loss so you can actually still put a lot of pressure when your opponent is knocked down. Congrats on hitting Gold. I would say Classic is more fun. But really just play how you want. It’s your game.
@@thatDoubleT yeah and I mean, to reiterate, I can play modern, I know this for a fact because when I started playing 6 with Ken I refused to even try Modern and was still able to place B5 (I recognize that’s still very low skill wise) but that tells me that still have SOME basic understanding of game mechanics, etc. but I’ve been having a blast with Modern, definitely instills a lot more confidence.
@DigitalGoon The correct choice is whatever that makes you happy. And just want to say that it’s not Modern that helped you. You improved a lot to get to Gold!
I agree in most thing you've said. I have two personal notes on the matter, so here are my two cents: 1. Modern is fine and fun, I play classic against a Modern friend, and it was the first time she enjoyed fighting games. Eventually she got better and started doing the mind games and adapt. She is now buying the game. Regarding attracting new players I can say it works. 2. I still think that a auto combo button is too much. There is no such thing as too much acessibility, but my friend (the same from before), felt it encourage her to mashing, and it maybe show the wrong idea about what fighting games are. It is a note to take, maybe making the auto combo less effective, maybe shorter and let the player do some longer strings by their own it would be great. Anyway, sorry for the big text and if I repeated/misunderstood anything you said, couldn't watch the whole video on a single sitting
I think the only problem with modern is going to be the hit confirms and frame 1 supers people will do. Being ready for hit confirms for combos was something that just came with doing many matches. Now I could just pick modern and have the game do it for me. Even at higher levels you wont see people doing frame 1 super. Thats something you only see a max lvl cpu do. Footsies is going to be so risky if your fighting a high lvl modern player. 20% dmg reduction wont matter if they check you with that increase to reaction time. Just forget about them dropping combos because the game will make sure they wont. High lvl is where I see the problem at. Low lvls will most likely not have players that would abuse that.
I'm new to it and tried the modern and classic. I can't even do the supers with the controller on classic setting. Why can't they make it more simple to 2 or 3 directional tops per special? 6 directionals is so unnecessary.
As a person who’s never played a street fighter game but has played other fighting games such as fighterz and MK I don’t like modern controls due to the lack of control and combo crafting there is because of how restricted it is. However I also very much dislike the classic controls at the same time, mainly because of how the special system is done. I don’t have a fight stick and double quarter circles feel god awful on a controllers joystick. I also feel like some of the inputs in classic controls could be simplified like they are in modern. I just wish there was an option to edit and alter your control style to make a healthy mix of the 2 so I could have the combo ability of classic with the simplicity of modern. But at the same time I can’t test it out too much because the game crashes my computer whenever I match against a player 🙃
one small thing that I dont like is that lukes target combo LP MP HP in classic but is jus LP LP LP in classic which is dumb to me because its already easy and there are a bunch of other one button combos and going from light to medium to heavy is very common and intuitive and could have been a stepping stone from one button combos but it was not
As someone who never played SF, this was exactly my thought. Although combining the 2 light buttons into 1 button makes a lot of sense, but the loss of back heavy kick on Luke is too much. I do think reducing the 6 attack buttons to 4 like in MK could make sense and would cut some redundant "fat". Changing control schemes however is not the way to go. Landing motion inputs is fun. Just freakin' teach us the game properly and I hope to god the campaign will increase the CPU level on the enemies towards the end, not just increase the stats, cuz otherwise we're looking another dumb af DBFZ campaign.
It’s a lot more than a teaching issue. Motion controls can be hard, especially if you’d like to do them consistently. Modern provides a great pick up and play option.
Maybe using the same idea as pressing a direction and a button to change the move like the heavy buttons would be a good idea so that players still have those options if they wanted then
I feel modern controls will incentivise people to play street fighter without the fear of skill issue however. This will leave them open to more readable combo's to casual players. my example to explain this better would be imperfect cell versus super saiyan 2 trucks, sure it gives them a power boost with heavier and ease of instant combo's but a veteran will rip this up since it leaves little to no variation, which is why i will try to ease people into classic than modern. it is good for new players but people should learn classic before hitting tourney's.
Im an oll school gamer, for me modern control is perfect, since i never had 3000 buttons for 5000 different moves, we had, a few. Does it limit my game, yes, but it relies on that i read the opponent and not focus on my own game.
I’m really glad modern controls are as accessible and seemingly successful as they are, but clearly the intention is for players who want to improve beyond basic footsies and auto combo mashing to make their way to the tried and true classic controls
Tbh even though i love Street Fighter because SF2 was my first Fighting game ever, i always preffered the Light, medium, heavy system of games like Blazeblue, DBFZ, DNF duel or UMVC3 over the six button System of Street Fighter and thats the one and only reason i will play Modern Controls. So my only wish left for SF7 will be chain combos instead of links, not gonna happen but let me dream^^
I’m so glad the modern controls are good enough to be somewhat competitive. Street Fighter is finally realizing that mechanically complex controls just gatekeeps the game away from people who want to play casually
Playing the Open Beta as a Street Fighter novice (but an experienced Tekken 7 player), feel like it really comes down to character knowledge and fundamentals. Picked up Guile first time using classic controls and did very well. I mainly lost to people like classic Ryu who knew the combos/punishments or modern Kimberly because I didn’t know the matchup at all. Modern players did seem to rely on hitting the same moves over and over again and didn’t know how to counter grabs or punish certain moves. I have a lot to improve on as well, but I think we shouldn’t base everything off of 3 days of actual online gameplay. Maybe a month or two will show more viable data.
@@Yokemeister I switched constantly. Yet I went past Genbu with Heihachi, Kazuya, and Bryan. For Street Fighter 6, play whoever looks cool to you and feels to play!
@@Yokemeister Nice! Zangrief is fun. Have not tried out Juri tbh. If you want to start learning King, play him in Tekken 7 and watch videos from Lil Majin. He's a monster with King!
I am exclusively a PC player and in PC "controlling stuff" is mostly left to the players in most games and because its mostly left to the players, stuff like keybinds are VERY personalized in my opinion Capcom created Modern controls because they know Riot 100% will have waay easier controls thats what Riot always does. But even as someone who always HATED Riot as a company I can assure you that Riot's Project L will have easier controls and possibly those easy controls will either be the only option or have no downsides to them Making getting into Project L much easier than getting into SF6 even if we don't take the price-tag into consideration which will also make Project L easier to get into cuz it will probably be F2P I know it prolly sounded like I'm very hyped about Project L but in reality I hope it fails, I really don't want another genre dominated by Riot as I have yet to enjoy a single game they made despite trying them all tons of times both solo and with friends.
As a player of Fighting Games who has been turned away and discouraged by the steep learning curves of previous Street Fighter Titles, 6 feels like a breath of fresh air and a promise of accessibility. Modern Mode is exactly what someone like me needed to feel like I could be reasonably competitive. I get that I'm trading some options and a small precentage of damage, and the glory of that is I DONT CARE. I CAN PLAY THE GAME AT NEAR THE SAME FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL AS A CLASSIC PLAYER. I cant speak to other characters yet, but as far as Luke goes, I hardly miss the few options I lose being in Modern, as I have a fully functional toolkit, with access to plenty of low to high skill combo routes with much less barrier to entry. And at any point, as mentioned by someone else, Because modern mode works to highlight my learning of the fundamentals and game sense, its not a massive leap from modern to classic. Sure, you need to do every input manually now, but Modern mode helped you figure out spacing, and timing, and how to buffer inputs, and which moves combo from what, so on and so forth. Through passive learning, Your pokes in modern mode instantly translate to Classic mode knowledge. I think I would put it this way, Playing Modern mode isnt playing the game on easy mode like some people believe, rather, Playing Classic is playing on Hard Mode, but you get full control of every option, even the potentially bad ones.
I feel like modern controls are for those to get easy confirma rather for me as normal controls is a way to optimize combos which is way fun for me as a new sf player
I'm so happy about this. This balancing reminds me of DragonBall's; high-level play gets what they want, people that don't want to invest get what they want. I LOVE this game.
The ONLY difference for someone that can play, will be the ability to raw super with no frames given to performing the input. Everything else is irrelevant because of no scaling on manual inputs. Whether that is worth giving up normals for will depend on character and the specific normals that you lose. Modern will either be irrelevant or a huge problem, don’t know which yet
Modern controls will only ever be a problem if it's so good that the pros ditch classic controls completely. That alone should be enough to tell everyone that there's something wrong with it. I know a few pro players have said motion controls might be the way to go for some characters like Guile because you can always do 100% Flash Kicks. Even the best pro players will not make 100% of their Flash Kicks with classic
Im not sure if I am gonna get the game so I don't wanna put a bunch of time into learning the classic controls and doing combos on classic ,so modern is a good thing just for me to play the game and get a feel for it. If I do get the game I will definitely go to the classic mode
I play modern Guile and I can use his supers almost in reaction. In classic I always mess up the supers and they come out NOT right when I want. also it saves my thumbs on the pad, because its less stress on inputs. I am a much better player with modern than classic. Missing some tools that's for sure and that's sad, but at least I am having fun. Better than having all the tools and hating the game.
"Is the instant super really worth that much?" Yes absolutely. When I can punish literal 1 frame openings with 1 button, I don't have to think about execution at all and can focus entirely on strategy. The damage output is negligible when I can easily whiff combos with classic controls, but telling someone "hey, you're guaranteed 80%"...that's just a way better deal.
@@thatDoubleT Some characters might be very dependent on their normals, but the ones that aren't might consider going modern for the faster reaction speed.
I just wanna have fun, and so far, playing with the modern control type has made the demo much more enjoyable.
Yup more options are better. Modern controls i think will be great for fundamentals and once you feel comfortable and want to try for more complex combos the option is their to go classic
You having fun by being lazy ruins the experience for everyone else, i am a novice at fighting games and i don't want to play with scrub controls, now i have to deal with casuals who put no effort for anything doing auto combos and instant anti airs.
If you want to have fun then play offline, your fun shouldn't come at the price of ruining fighting games.
Changing an entire genre for lazy casuals to have fun is really disgusting, apply this to any other sports and you see how nonsensical it is. The fun in fighting games is getting better and learning, not mashing buttons like a monkey, so stop this "i just want to have fun" nonsense, your fun is destroying the genre, it's turning fighting games into mobile game trash. Everything in life requires effort, sacrifice, and dedication, if you don't want that then go play mobile games, which is what fighting games are becoming.
I will blacklist anyone using this garbage, i will not play with people using it.
@Phantom_Zer0 damn fam it ain't that deep lul just get better forehead 💀 imagine being this mad because Capcom wants to bring MORE players to the game 😂
@@Phantom_Zer0 You're playing with classic, i'm playing with modern, you have the advantage.
How am I ruining your experience? lmao, let people have fun, man.
@@deff1044 because its not that clear cut and that is where the concern from people is coming. when you have japanese pros out here considering switching to modern entirely, you can't sit here saying classic is the clear advantage. instant dps and supers, crazy option selects, easy hit confirms are all clear benefits of modern over classic and we don't know yet for sure how the balance is going to play out.
people just don't want to be put in a situation where they feel like they are missing out on something on their character for not playing modern. classic is just straight up more fun for a lot of people.
The damage scaling still isn’t bad, because most people who use modern, wouldn’t be dealing that much damage to begin with with normal controls, hence why they want to use modfern controls. 80% of a ton of damage is more valuable than 100% of 20 damage
True. Also most of the people using Modern controls will be playing the story mode, fighting friends, or just having fun in low level online matches rather than trying to be the best of the best and going for the highest rank. I think its a great thing, hope it brings in more casual players and gets more people to try fighting games. I know a lot of people that smash is the only fighting game they play just cause its easy to just pick up and play.
@@ninjacats200 bingo
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Have you been playing Hub? Everyones playing M controls. Their response time is wild! I'm only impressed when a C control player can beat me so bad, I might as well just put the control down.
There are modern players in high elo already
Yup it’s me I’m the low level scrub ready to ABUSE this shit idk how y’all get those inputs to do crazy combos in classic controls, i tried for hours trying to do combo trials on Ken and Cammy but nah screw that I rather just spam a button🤣
It takes hours, days, months, to get your execution to the point where you can do it without thinking about it, and it's when you get at that point that you... well... become a beginner player and start learning match ups. It's just too much to ask for new players. Modern will most certainly remove that barrier and help people get into the good stuff much faster. And if you're serious about the game, you can drop that crutch at any time and learn Classic mode. Or stay with modern, trading damage and options for consistency and (possibly) faster reactions. I think this is brilliant and it will certainly encourage more people to give fighting games a try.
First you need to know how to use it, then when to use it.
Modern control is good for new player to develop their game sense
The biggest barrier for me has always been that shit. It's like having to spend 20 hours in aim lab before being able to play valorant.
The problem with modern control right now is that it has some broken mechanics that make it stronger than classic controls. The 1input execution for special/super/ca/360 moves means all your moves comes out in 1 frame. That is broken, because in classic control you need 3 inputs for a fire ball, and even if you execute it perfectly, it takes 3 frames before the move is registered. It takes even long if it were super or 360 moves because it requires even more inputs. On top of that, people already discovered fucking option selects and auto hit confirms on modern controls. I have no problem with modern control helping new players learn, but its a huge problem when you see pros saying they are going to use modern controls for the competitive scene because it has a massive advantage over classic control.
Even as a classic player I still prefer the modern controls I don't feel like I'm locked behind one character because I can't get everyone else's inputs
Man, I just like the fact that I can do a simple DP. I prefer classic, but I can do pretty much every input except the DP motion. It's the thing that's been holding me back for years. Quarter circles, half circles, double quarter circle, hell I can even do pretzel motions reliably, but that damn Z input kicks my ass for some reason.
That's my biggest thing. I've lost to z inputs way more than anything else in every street fighter I've played. If I main a character that has a z-input and it's a REALLY core move to their kit, I'm almost guaranteed going modern controls.
i also have this problem, something about the z input is fucked
Theres shortcuts in SF5, and 6 i think, you can do:
➡️↘️➡️
➡️⬇️↘️➡️
Or ↘️↘️, any of these shouldgive you DP, hope it makes things moreconsistent
@@HELLRAISER02 ↘️↘️ won't work but ↘️⬇️↘️ will
I use it all the time for G's rush punch
@@TheChilaxicle really? I tested it in 5, the game says ↘️↘️ punch n i get a DP, havent tested it in 6
Guess i can test again
Having played the closed beta full of ppl who are vets of the series: the modern control users didn't feel at an advantage, nor a disadvantage. Game IQ or overall fighting game awareness played a part. It just creates more styles, like any other sport tbh. Different paths to the same goal. Players can overcome the lower damage output with different factors. I welcome the input and played with both. What will be interesting is discovering which characters feel better under which input method. Solid video.
To overcome damage, you need to be more lucky, or be smarter. Basicly it means, that you you will fall faster, than your opponent.
putting myself at a disadvantage for not using modern on my main if thats the most powerful version of her is dumb as hell. if that turns out to be the case, capcom screwed up.
You are at a CLEAR disadvantage with Luke. Not having access to ST.HP is brutal since this is literally the best normal of SFV and probably SF6.
The closed beta only gave us shoto's and speedies and extremely low tier characters like Jamie and Luke. It wasn't a good foundation for the rest of the game if you watched the gameplay footage from L.A. with the rest of the cast.
@@evalangley3985 hmm, that might be true but you’re assuming the move translates over to six. Even with the beta I didn’t have enough testing time; however that isn’t to say I didn’t have some good streaks without it.
There are moments I felt that I wanted to do more, but that didn’t stop a 14 game winstreak with Luke on Modern controls.
I think when a pro wins using them ppl will be convinced, but you really can make a character your own with whatever you’re using.
To another’s point saying you need to be lucky or smarter.. that’s pretty much what fighting games are? They aren’t linear; that’s what makes them fun.
It’s like using Akuma.. sure he has low health, but it’s because he can delete your character quickly.
Modern controls may not allow the full range of move sets, but the devs are hoping you’ll maximize the fight itself and take advantage of as many openings as possible.
I just say let ppl play the game and determine what works for them.
To be sure, stats are objective. How they play out for a user aren’t.
To answer your questions yes. Instant super even at a slight damage nerf is important. Let’s take for example Luke’s Anti air options. If cHp, jMp and DP are compared. DP still should give better Oki than the other 2 situations. The problem a lot of people face at the mid level is, with mental stack, reacting to a jump in and imputing f,d,df is jarring to then. Having a 1 button DP aliviates this. Additionally let’s consider fireball wars. Let’s say you know the ex is coming and as checkmate you want to super the opponent. 1 button super reduces the chance of human error vs that of classic input.
To say which is “better” though will come down to time and results
Genuinely not worrying about how many times I have to move the stick in specific directions along with order of buttons allowed me to actually pay attention to what my opponent was doing for once. I actually did pretty decent in a fighting game for the first time in my life besides smash.
That's a benefit of Modern and a big draw. Especially when it comes to anti airs and supers. One button DP and Supers will free up your brain to focus more on neutral
Welcome to the future of fighting games. It’s great here. Read some of the haters posting comments here lmfao.
@@SquarePenix. i mean youll still get filtered into a lower rank than me anyways so why should i actually care
Simple controls will never be efficient enough to take to EVO
@@V2ULTRAKill I don’t know about that. Some characters have there weakness with modern controls, like Ryu for instance. I believe he’s missing about 7 possible attacks. Where Luke is only missing 2-3 attacks. 1 button press= 1 frame supers while traditional controls for a super will take about 3-4 frames if inputted perfectly. Also one button auto hit confirms?! That’s just two examples of the advantages. Pros are already seriously considering modern controls, it changes the game drastically. There will be modern controls at EVO unless they are banned. Guess we’ll see who’s comment ages better. 😏
@@SquarePenix.
Honestly, no disrespect. But you are being self entitled for saying that.
People are not haters for giving reasonably critic. There is absolutely concern for modern controls as it kills competitive integrity and dumbs down the game.
You can enjoy it if you are lacking skills or are too lazy to learn to get good.
But regressing a game is never a good for the longevity of a game. It just divides the community.
This is the equivalent of lowering the basketball hoop 15 inches and then calling long time athletes complaining haters
This is pretty much my exact opinion on the matter, the Modern control is very good at what it is proposing and it will certainly help new players a lot, but even being a new player myself, and not using my kicks as much as i probably should, the feeling of buttons being missing is weird
Exactly, there's no reason for people to complain
@@kingofdragons7 Except that there is plenty. While it is good for helping new players to get into fighting games, it is also broken in competitive play. 1button special or super moves are fine, but because its 1 input, it means it takes 1 frame to execute the move. In classic control to do a fireball, you will need to do down, down + forward, forward + punch, which takes 3 frames to execute if you execute perfectly. For other moves like uppercut that goes through neutral it will take more than 3 frames, not to mention you can't do clean and perfect execution all the time and you will get wasted frames. Then there are super, CA and 360 moves that requires much more inputs but are still 1 frame in modern controls. And then people already discovered auto hit confirms and auto option select unique to modern controls. Pros are already talking about using modern controls competitively.
If modern controls is to only help newbies learn, they should not get such broken advantage. Capcom should take away auto hit confirms and auto select, and add startup delay on special moves to match the classic counterpart. For example, a fireball on modern control should have 2 frame startup delay on top of the 1 frame execution to match classic control's perfect input time. Modern control will still be consistently faster since it won't always be perfect input with classic controls but at least it much fairer.
@@skychaos87 then use modern man 💀
@@Itslewcario Modern control was designed to bring new players into the game, not make it advantageous in the competitive scene. If players have to use modern controls to have a competitive edge, that means the game core design is to make the skill ceiling lower.
SF6 was supposed to bring back the higher skill ceiling which was reduced in SFV. The idea of of modern control was to help new players learn without disrupting the competitive scene, but now you have not just 1 button instant reaction without execution skills, you also have auto option select and auto hit confirm... wtf? Capcom needs to fix modern control or risk ruining the competitive scene. Or perhaps it was Capcom's intention all along to devolve SF's traditional execution based fighting game into a simple one like Smash Bros.
@@skychaos87 yep. It’s all ab money. It’s not necessarily a bad game tho, I have fun on both modern and classic. Honestly it’s a play with what comfy for you situation
I feel like Modern Controls in SF6 are meant to funnel more inexperienced players so that some might want to switch to classic if they're invested enough into it. They'll either be happy with Modern or want more from the game to experience. It's not an alternative to Classic, it's a launch pad for newbies and casuals.
I think this is also the intention and it's pretty smart if it works out well. The single player campaign will even have minigames that trick you into learning motion inputs for those who might want to eventually switch to classic. I personally think the idea that modern controls will overtake classic at the competitive level is an overreaction because the lower damage is a big deal. It means you'll have to win neutral more and your opponent has to respect your neutral less because your options are less threatening. You may even be missing important normals for neutral or combo extensions. None of this matters for new players though and I think it'll be a great way for them to get started and either enjoy the game with modern or decide to get more out of the game with classic.
Exactly what I was thinking, it gives new players a chance to learn the other fundamentals like neutral and matchups without having to focus too heavily on combos and inputs, which they can then learn later when they're a little more confident in the game
Pretty good video, but here is the finality of the situation... There is a casual audience that will be getting into fighting games for the first time, they would not and will not exist without this control scheme, they don't care about getting better and they honestly don't want to get better, like Smash Bros they just want to sit down and pummel on something or beat up their friends, they also make up the majority of sales (like it or not old heads, we keep the community going after they're gone but they are the reason the game gets made.)
So it's neither here nor there, we know classic does slightly more damage and the set ups and combo strings are endless and sky high as far as skill cap goes, but modern has to exist and should've before this in order to get as healthy of a player base as possible for as long as possible, we had Simple Mode in MVC/UMVC3 and that brought players in and this is the obvious evolution of that system.
Well said man. I’ve been playing sf for over 20 years and I think modern is great. The people playing casually are just as important to the games life span as anyone else. If modern controls welcomes and keeps new players then I am all for it, if it doesn’t it literally doesn’t effect my experience at all so I see it as a win-win
I'm a beginner at traditional fighters, and the idea of modern controls is something I support wholeheartedly. Contemporary and future IPs should definitely strive to make their controls streamlined/intuitive (especially for standard controllers), and I'm glad games such as Project L are going in that direction. It makes me want to stick with Modern on Pad merely out of support for Capcom's decision.
With that said, I want to dive hard into SF6. I'm going to stick with Classic because I do own an arcade stick and I want to experience the game how long-time players have experienced the series, and develop the skillset that comes with motion controls.
Playing against Zangief player with modern controls gonna be a nightmare 😅😅
Yeah thats the only thing, I wonder how limited grab characters will be with modern controls
Just wait till you run into my Guile with modern controls. Been playing him for 2 weeks now. He is a menace
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It sucks that people want to gatekeep and talk down on modern controls. I feel like anything that can help get new players in while making the game more accessible is a good thing 👍🏻
In hindsight, I think I downplay modern control too much in my video. Even though this is not for me. This option is here to stay. And it is a decent learn fundamental with.
The only true problem is that this enables spamming. And it’s not good for new player.
Well said man.
Good video. I think the toughest part as a classic control veteran would be the normals thing. Some people are pushing modern mode as something super viable because of the 11F Diego whiff punishes, but who cares if I lose vital normals for damage and neutral? As someone that literally plays SF because of the 6 button normals it wouldn't be for me.
I've played since sf4 release and have been on and off the series in 5 but I'm fully back because of modern controls. I do switch back to classic a lot as well. It's nice to use modern to understand fundamentals with a new character being pressured with inputs in the mental stack in my semi-casual head. Really feels like it encourages me to try the rest of the cast
The modern controls also really help with world tour. It's too early to say for sure, but I don't think either would work on their own as far as appealing to non-fg players. The two combined seem like they'll lead to a fun, low stress/commitment experience for anyone.
@2:38 As a person who has played many of these games over the years and competed, the one biggest limitation to everyone is themselves. Just because there is a better combo out there, doesn't mean you shouldn't feel like you accomplished something. With time and work, the result gets better. Just like with skill or hobby.
I think that classic right now is definitely the way to go 100% However, if you or your friend is new and just wants to play to have fun pls don't try and force them to play classic unless said person is specifically in love with the game and wants to play for the long haul. If not try modern and just button mash and have fun.
As a new player I see modern controls as a taste of what is possible. After all, I think it's really cool to be able to strategise and think while not focusing on how to actually do what you want to do. Modern controls provide a shortcut to demo version of that.
Now, I try to learn classic controls for the character I picked using modern.
Something I think if funny is that when you’re playing against someone in sf6, it shows what controls they’re using
You get a label out on you for using the easy controls.
In the beta, I played and won against a modern control Juri and they got mad and called me a masher.
My brother in christ, that’s what your control method enables YOU to do.
You literally get a big fat M under your name for MASHER.
I am actually excited and a bit worried for the chat feature in SF6
@@thatDoubleT if you’ve ever used fightcade, it’ll probably be like that. Plus the trash talk
My brother decided to try the modern system in the beta since he's done poorly in most fighting games with motion inputs.
He tried it and realized it was smash bros controls. He immediately started bodying classic control players above his skill level since he knows how to read and play footsie.
@@alt0248 that makes zero sense. If he’s “bodying” them then they are most likely the same skill or slightly worse than him.
I play modern controls and I was bodying people left and right. You fail to realize footsie and netrual wins the game.
I didnt klnow there was a flow chart for optimal Ken. Will be using that tomorrow.
Don’t
@@thatDoubleT I’ve decided to stop using the flow chart for Ken. It sent me to rookie. I blame you.
personally im someone that joined because of modern control and im already adapting to classic inputs within modern scheme. but i do eventually plan to swap over once i get the core of the couple of characters i like down to a science. then ill spend my time learning the normals i missed out on. but ill be real, i personally love how reactive i can be on modern. im extremely good at reacting and cuz of that the damage trade off evens out. (at least in my eyes).
damage trade off aint even that bad even if you can't react properly, it genuinely dosen't make that much of a difference at ALL
I think it is important to understand modern control is more in line with how other games work. In Elden Ring I don't have to press 3 different buttons to do my full 3 normal swing combo. I just press R1 3 times. I want to do my "special" (aka spell or weapon art) I don't need a motion input I just press 1 button. Modern control penalizes you with some damage loss, and it takes away full control short of doing the classic inputs. That is the drawback, and that is why Capcom has made it clear Modern is allowed in ranked and actual events.... including Capcom Cup. It also makes the game hugely more approachable for special needs players who might have a damage to hands or finger, or arthritis etc. Accessibility matters.
I would also say beating level 8 CPU at all seems hard regardless of the control style you use. Tons of videos out there of multiple pro's (many who did participate in the beta's) still getting washed and having to learn/make adjustment to beat level 8 classic control or otherwise. Of course this is all moot if you use Dynamic then you just stand still and spam 1 button and destroy level 8 like a joke. Fortunately Dynamic is not allowed in any online matches, much less actual events lol.
Modern and Classic attracts different kinds of people, Classic control players (myself included) find it more enjoyable and satisfying to land combos and sit it training for hours to try and get that one perfect combo. Modern control players are more laid back and don't really wanna sweat their hands off doing a a hard to hit combo that doesn't really do much damage other than it looking good. Fighting games were never really hard to begin with it's a bad stigma made by people who are intimidated by fighting controls since it's so vastly different from other games as to how they control but Classic controls definitely gives the illusion that the game mechanic is changed for the newer players when in reality it's the exact same. I'd say if you loose to modern control players it's definitely your own fault
I used to lose almost every match. Not a fighting game player, but i wanted to play SF6. I had two big win streak using Modern Controls (12 & 9) when in SFV, i couldnt win two in a row. I enjoy the game so much more, i can focus on what is going on and not miss everything. As a casual player who doesnt have the time to practice countless hours to learn everything, im glad they added Modern Controls.
Classic always. But i love that this exists for new players and casuals.
In most games, it being difficult to make your character do what you want is called janky. Easier input just makes the game more based on tactics.
What did I learn from the closed beta? I'll use the classic control, as always. But some characters improved a lot using the modern controller. My Guile has improved by 300%. The less damage makes no difference if the opponent can't hit you. If you hit the enemy first you can drain some life from him and watch him despair as time passes, causing him to make even more mistakes. Some characters will have better normals than others in the modern controller, so, just like in the classic controller, where we have to scout(search) the characters that we are better at, this same search should happen in the modern controller. In modern control you gain advantages and disadvantages. It won't work for all characters, but it can be quite fun for some of them.
The fact that you can do 100% Flash Kicks and never miss with Guile with modern controls is absolutely huge and Guile is already one of the best characters in the game even without modern controls. Even the best players in the world never make 100% of their flash kicks...so Guile having that be 100% accurate every time is a huge buff for him
Wait could you explain how charge characters work with modern controls? Do you still need to charge or you can instantly throw out a sonic boom like you'd with a hadouken?
@@thex8118 We still need to charge. But in sonic boom we don't need to put forward. It makes too easy. The problem is facing the lack of options in normals and the lower damage. If we put it forward Guile shouts "perfect" and Sonic boom comes out stronger. Using the 3 buttons it is also possible to change the speed of the magic.
Ive been playing since SF1 in arcades, I am pretty decent but execution has always held me back. Ryu was never really an option for me as I could never reliably anti air DP on reaction to a jump in. With modern controls, its easier to hit f+SP, or even d+SP+HP for level 3 as an anti air on reaction. This alone changes the game IMO, it frees your mind to focus on gamesense/footsies without worrying about getting the execution/inputs when you need them.
I mainly play grapplers as their execution is normally less intense for small combos/tap grabs etc, but even Zangief will benefit from MC. I can spam SPD much easier when its one button rather then wrecking my dpad with 360s. Also dash up/rush dash into SPD/Level 3 grab will be so much easier. Or if its to punish a missed DP or something, I can manually 360 into SPD/Level 3 for full damage.
Of course we lose normals etc from using MC, but you just adapt and change the b&bs to be most efficient you can get from MC. But also mixing in manual motions when its easy to do so to not get the damage nerf.
I cant wait to mess around with grapplers and MC.
As someone who's lost many matches at bronze level because I suck at execution and can't dedicate the time needed to build up the muscle memory and confidence to execute simple bnb in a match modern controls has doubled my win rate as I now have access to way more options that would take hours to unlock. There are many casuals that bail after playing hundreds of matches and see their win rate as less than 30% then give up before they get anywhere near the real fun.
I'd rather play modern controls because of the Convenience. Personally I didn't like studying those damn inputs for hours on end like it was homework especially for someone who just wants to play casually and be at least decent as well. Personally doesn't bother me at all I'll still play classic too but I'm not angry because they want new players to at least have fun playing their game.
I think modern control are perfect for a first step, you can always make the switch to Classic and get the full experience of the character but for a first experience I think it’s better that they give you less thinks to think about, being in this case what you can do. It surely feels restrictive but not everyone needs/wants to pull a very hard combo with multiple inputs every time; in that case having some special available behind motion seems the right choice
If anything, I think it makes beginners less likely to actually switch to classic controls for a full experience because you have to learn the execution to pull off combo's and get the same good results you were getting with Modern controls. It's a double-edged sword, and we don't know how this is going to work for different characters. How will this work for charge characters or complex characters like Dhalsim?
@@juliusdv6657 the issue with classic with stick players and getting the frame perfect input on controller. It’s way harder compared to stick or pad and this is a good way for people who wanna close that gap up. Personally I think it’s gonna be character dependent. Luke is solid on modern but characters like Chun Li may suffer losing most of her kit
I like the idea but I feel like it will just breed really bad habits in newer players. It will be really character dependant.
Dynamic remove so much that if you are in the corner and knocked down, ur only wake up option is drive impact, otherwise u will have to block cuz u don't have ex dp, u don't have fast jab, opponent is a bit away, you don't get throw on wake up
I hope capcom nerfs the special input for modern control. Add delay or an animation that mimics classic input. Like add a crouch + crouch forward + forward movement when you press fireball, the same way a special input looks when you do it in classic controls
As someone who used to play back in the Ps1 era and before, I just can't do special move inputs reliably anymore. I tried with classic, but couldn't do any of the stuff I wanted quickly. I think I'll stick with modern.
Its legit so cancer with a controller bro ☠️
@@mein4081 if you are using the stick on controller its like that yeah. everyone at a high level that plays on pad uses the dpad for a reason
Yeah seems you need to use the dpad on your controller bro
This is why I think something like modern controls are necessary. It's just not remotely fun for new players to have to sit and practice inputs for 10 hours in training mode before they can fully reliably do basic shit. Maybe the SF6 modern controls have some issues that need to be tweaked, but I think the basic idea is necessary
@@hefdef9961 exactly why imma be a modern fiend till I decide to spend ngl
Yeah I was hoping modern controls would a viable alternative to classic, not some sort of weird training wheels. After many hours of practice I still struggle with special imputs sometimes, especially in clutch situations. It just feels like an outdated system from when controllers had like 4 buttons. I guess many grew up with it but I don't get the appeal, for me the game itself should be hard to master, not the controls.
But what's the point in using normal mode if I still need to use classic at higher levels?
Definitely disagree. There are tons of players who reached masters with classic controls(including myself though I still prefer classic as it's more satisfying to land). It's completely a different control setup rather than a "stepping stone" If you fully understand the classic control layout you can easily beat high level players granted with practice like with classic. The way SF designed this is to be an alternative to classic directly. It's clear it was not done with the sole purpose of guiding players to classic later on. It genuinely is just an alternative option players can take
The problem with SF is that all the damn special attack imputs REQUIRES at least a quarter circle imput, or the unintuitive Shoriuken like ones, which to me are so damn weird to execute. And this is coming from someone who tends to spam a quarter circle vertical move in Soulcalibur VI but hey, that is ONE attack that requires such imput, the others are either just one directional imput, maybe two and like you can perfectly win with just using moves that barely requires you to push up to 3 buttons max. SF however DEMANDS you that you master at least 4 buttons (By this I mean 3 directionals + 1 attack one) to just use a damn hadoken, so as you can imagine, someone that even tried a fighter like could be Smash (Questionable if that genre classifies as a fighter) or Soulcalibur that has a lot more simplified imputs or even an absolute noob having to imput the absurdities that SF asks you.... Mate is simply not something so easy to do. I remember playing on World Tour, noticing that imputing the classic moves gave more damage and that I could do quarter circle forwards so I can spam SandBlasts, and at some point my imputs kept getting missregistered. My character more often than not either did a forward kick or a crouch kick instead of SandBlast, and if you abuse that move enough in your playstyle you end up pretty much requiring to assign that move into the modern controls brackets to be able to spam them knowing that your character would surely output the move youre asking them to do.
And like I said, that's cause Im fairly used to imput a quarter circle forward + attack button from my main in SC VI but hey, while I do that move frequently, is not ALL the time. I do have other special moves that require way simplier buttons, so you could say that the 236B imput that that attack requires is among the hardest to imput in SC VI while in SF6 a 236L/M/H-P or 236L/M/H-K would probably be among the easiest. That change is reason enough for people to stick to modern controls. Cause another thing is that SF has 6 attack buttons too (3 punches, 3 kicks) while SC VI only has 4, being the 4th a dedicated guard/block button, which SF lacks, forcing you to backwalk or crouch backwalk. I would say that SF pretty much REQUIRED to have a tool like Modern controls simply to stay relevant as a game, specially when betting with something like World Tour.
Stumbled across your videos while researching hit boxes for sf6, I like your style and looking forward to seeing how your fighting game journey progresses 👊
I love the new modern controls even if I know I'll never use them. I like the difficulty of learning combos on classic. But my family and friends can now play the game and learn very little to have fun.... that being said .... im afraid of gief even more now .... a dash and a near instant command grab ....
I swear, I honestly love the modern control change even though I'm never touching it. Though each time I see a gief player on modern controls I get ready to shit my pants haha
I think that you could reason using classic input while extending combos, and for some, they'll just adapt to using the macro system to get those normal's back.
It'll definitely be viable. At the cost of damage potential, but characters like Zangief for instance. Will most likely suffer minimal loss on that front. I think it's a pretty easy trade off.
I think the people that modern controls will hurt the most are the gold-diamond players. They'll really have to stay aware of their positioning. Because being able to whiff with an instant super is definitely over powered. If not broken at that level.
Modern controls teach you nothing. One button dp and combos that never drop teach you nothing about execution
Here’s how I’ve been using the controls as a someone who just started trying to “git gud” at fighting games in the last four months (essay incoming):
The timing on combos feels much more strict in SF6 than any other fighting game I’ve played (SFA3, T7, GGST, GGAC+R, GGXrd, Darkstalkers 3) except for SF4.
I did a couple hours on the classic controls but the timing for links and specials cancels were very inconsistent. Saw a Diaphone stream where he mentioned that ppl were sleeping on modern controls and figured I’d give them a shot.
Playing with modern controls I improved MUCH faster. The demo gives limited options for training mode but modern controls have helped turn my 10-14 touch wins into 6-8 touch wins. I still do motion inputs but having the option to use the special button has been incredibly helpful when trying to use specials in combos.
And guess what I found. After a couple of hours of modern controls, I switched back to classic to compare how it felt to modern controls and I was better at the classic controls. My special cancels are still incredibly inconsistent but I was able to link normals together much better.
I think if you’re a new player, there’s really no reason to use classic (at first) other than swag points. Modern controls help you learn to crawl, and then walk. Switching to classic later on will feel easier as a newbie once you have the mental side of the game down. The freedom of moves offered by classic is less likely to affect a new player because all the average, non competitive player needs to know is a poke or two, a whiff punish, an anti-air, and one or two very basic combos.
I’ve heard that some characters are much worse with modern controls (i.e. Chun-Li) but the games not out yet. A lot of my friends who are really resistant to playing fighting games got really excited when I told them about modern controls. I think it’s going to be a game changer for fighting games. And to the people doomsaying abt classic being worthless because of instant DP, y’know is grapplers are always considered broken on launch? I have a feeling modern controls are going to follow a similar route, feeling broken at first, before being revealed to be actually pretty balanced.
Modern control does have some good stuff to help new player learn.
But whether it will be great at high level… still need some more labbing
@@thatDoubleT absolutely agree there. i think a lot of the discourse on it has gotten pretty polarized, when really we just need the game to be out for a few weeks before anything concrete can be determined.
really enjoyed your video, especially your levelheaded approach.
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Zangief is about to go crazy on modern controls.
Easy SPD is one of my biggest worries
@@thatDoubleT one button standing 720's are terrifying to think about, I think modern for Zangief is going to be an *actual* issue
A brand new way for grappler players to be even worse at fighting games and still win because they have countless crutches
I mean you are all assuming that Zangief won't be like Guile and require extra conditions to do SPD. It; s very likely they will do something to restricts easy 720s and 360s
I’m a Jin main in Tekken, and I’ve played Dragon Ball FighterZ, but I struggled a lot getting back into SF. And I was 12 when I last picked it up.
I tried to play classic like it was Tekken, but the lowered forward momentum isn’t it for me. Modern feels closer to FighterZ, which is my only point of reference for a good 2D fighter, and now I’m getting the hang of it. I’d like to switch back to classic at some point, especially after seeing that cross-up on Chun-Li. It’s just a grueling game to see what juggles into what while I play footsies.
In modern you can do Drive rush Auto+Medium, Down Heavy 214M perfect, 214L Perfect, 214H.
For Drive loops I only know Auto+Heavy into Drive cancel Auto+Medium, Down Heavy into Drive cancel.
Also the reason why would someone not play on classic despite doing the actual inputs is because you frame one specials like anti airs or supers.
Modern control might restrict you from some normals and specials but it isn't a bad trade off when you aren't even going to use them
very interesting video, your pretty funny, the 9 minute mark started making me lol just so relatable. im not deep into fighting games and sf6 is my first street fighter so i wanted to see, currently using classic tho. think thats the problem im running into, modern controls and didn't even know it. great content
I think modern controls is a huge benefit for those who play strictly neutral or keyboard/hitbox style controllers. As someone who focuses on only reacting, reading, and poking my opponent, having a combo that's automatically inputted does way more than what I would normally do. Plus, I would rather take a 20% damage nerf than to misinput a DP when I wanted to throw a fireball simply because I was holding forward before inputting QCF.
Nah there is no benefit like that, it just purely depends on the person. I play on hitbox and I've tried modern for over 20+ hours, it's definitely great but doesn't improve my reaction speed or anything. I noticed the same thing I did normally it's just less buttons I had to press down but that didn't result in my mind being less distracted at all. It's mainly just practice the more you practice with classic the less misinputs you do as it's engraved into your muscle memory. I remember when I first started out I always used to do a DP by complete accident when I wanted to throw a fireball but later on it became engraved into my muscle memory to stop for a bit before throwing a fireball. Modern controls are simply for players who wanna get into the game quickly at a decent level without needing to invest time to fully understand the game's mechanics which is amazing since it's the reason the game is incredibly popular rn
Nice video, I'll be keeping an eye on your channel! As a suggestion, I would hope some of the serious examples and comparisons can stay on the screen a bit longer if you dive more into the gameplay stuff in the future! Subbed.
Modern control reminded me a lot of Fantasy Strike & let’s me focus more on spacing and punishing than just rushing down with combos and prevents close-up-button-mashing.
I like it for what it is, because things like spamming specials and mashing really holds new players back from learning crucial fundamentals.
And they are supposed to be inferior to incentivize players to eventually switch to classic.
Great call in my opinion.
If I had access to all normals, I could see myself running modern controls a lot.
Wait a minute...you lose standing HK with modern?
Whoa, nah thats too much to give up.
The default heavy is standing heavy kick. it’s still here
As someone plays mortal kombat and street fighter and I like to consider myself a fighting game veteran at this point. (Honda main on modern btw) classic controls require too much what feels like button mashing my D-pad and the inputs required are just too much for the time i have to combo the guy while hes still venerable I have to input a insane amount of controls in such a short amount of time however I do think that its fair that modern doesnt do as much damage but I can still beat other people online if I know what im doing so I'm glad that option is in the game
Classic is for advanced players who knows about cross-ups, footsies, spam-tactics etc.
Today, you have taken yet another step towards being less unknown.
Comparing to my times playing with friends and folks who are really into FGC, and myself more just liking the combat of fighting games and more casual.
I always like having an option to make a game playable for myself, even if it means the experience is different. I'll take lower damage or maybe a few missing moves, rather than breaking my fingers trying to do certain inputs that are hard for myself to do, or too many buttons for attacks, especially on controller.
It's even better if i can have a middle ground, simple normal attacks and still being able to do inputs if i want to. I like deciding how i string things together rather than fully doing everything for me (I actually kinda hate the auto combo button, specials are mine to use goddang it).
If i can't do as much damage as you, then i need to be better about not taking damage and reading, and be patient as I hack away at your health. Every fight becomes a boss fight, that can end horribly for you if ya do the wrong thing aaaand i kinda like the frustration of it XD. (Unless someone decides to be an arse about it, thats never fun)
Tbh, I think modern controls will be decent on grapplers and dedicated zoners. For the former, their tools in often already exist as special inputs, so giving them easier access to them can be a buff. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if you lost access to special/command tick throws by using modern, so I may be wrong.
Zoners, on the other hand, seem hardly nerfed on modern. Their gameplan is basically a flowchart already: play keep away with projectiles and punish jump-ins/rush-down with DPs or other appropriate responses. Giving them access to a reaction super basically means that on a life-lead and good gamesense, they can run-away with a game. After all, punishing a zoner often relies on forcing them to make mistakes. A simpler system makes this gameplan much harder to carry out on them.
Modern control will help on people who struggle to do quick moves like dp and supers. Where sometime is crucial.
Things like anti air DP and instant react super can actually be a game changer for certain type of players even with the lower dmg.
Although at the moment, we dont really know too much on how good or bad the modern control is in. We can only wait.
This is why people need to take the time to learn the basics. Most characters either have a crouching heavy punch or standing heavy kick that can be used as an anti air (aka an alternate option for anyone that struggles doing DPs). That option has been there the entire time.
i been playing sf since sf 2 and doing inputs always confuses me, yes after a while i was able to do some stuff but it was still hard for me to do, with modern controls, its easy and my brain can relax and not stress as much. mc isnt a bad thing like how other gamer boomers are trying to make it. if ur good then ur good, if not then do better or play the cpu
People like to complain. Button masher/modern player/random same excuse anyway
I bought the game because of modern controls. I've always wanted to play a fighting game but all the combos were too overwhelming. I'll gladly take my damage penalty while learning the fundamentals.
The damage penalty is not really that drastic tbh. It genuinely feels the same also controls for fighting games were never really that hard to begin with. It "seems" overwhelming because the way fighting games control compared to other games are so vastly different that it seems intimidating. I remember when I played guilty gear for the first time and I had 0 idea what I was doing and kept loosing to my friend who kicked my ass. It's when I decided to sit in the lab and train and now the controls feel so natural to me that modern controls feels suffocating to use in a way since I don't have the freedom. Overall. Nothing wrong with modern controls, It's just for players who want to play the game casually without taking it too seriously, but learning a fighting game is definitely not hard at all. It's just a stigma a lot of people (including myself) had whenever we first see or try to get into a fighting game
I feel they have enough limitations on this Modern controls to make it balanced, any more freedom and this would have been broken.
The dog reference I felt that
Did you lose a major part of your body?
Personally I am more used to classic controllers since street fighter 4. But Glad they added this for beginners
Tbh, the damage loss to me is not significant enough. I do agree though, after hitting Gold 1 with Modern Cammy, it does encourage me to inevitably want to learn her better on Classic. Thats not to say I cannot play Classic, I definitely can, but idk if I would have ever hit G1 with her strictly playing modern.
But yeah, to reiterate, I do not think the damage loss is enough personally to just NOT play Modern at all, especially if you are able to keep pressure on your oppponent. For instance, if I do a simple combo that knocks my opponent down, there are a LOT of things that I can do to keep my damage consistent, some of which some people just dont expect to happen.
Normals doesn’t have a damage loss so you can actually still put a lot of pressure when your opponent is knocked down.
Congrats on hitting Gold. I would say Classic is more fun. But really just play how you want. It’s your game.
@@thatDoubleT yeah and I mean, to reiterate, I can play modern, I know this for a fact because when I started playing 6 with Ken I refused to even try Modern and was still able to place B5 (I recognize that’s still very low skill wise) but that tells me that still have SOME basic understanding of game mechanics, etc. but I’ve been having a blast with Modern, definitely instills a lot more confidence.
@DigitalGoon The correct choice is whatever that makes you happy.
And just want to say that it’s not Modern that helped you. You improved a lot to get to Gold!
Great i never tried sf bc of learning every button
Modern controls is another way of saying easy controls for the people who use it doesn't feel like a noob
Problem is Modern control is viable
I agree in most thing you've said. I have two personal notes on the matter, so here are my two cents:
1. Modern is fine and fun, I play classic against a Modern friend, and it was the first time she enjoyed fighting games. Eventually she got better and started doing the mind games and adapt. She is now buying the game. Regarding attracting new players I can say it works.
2. I still think that a auto combo button is too much. There is no such thing as too much acessibility, but my friend (the same from before), felt it encourage her to mashing, and it maybe show the wrong idea about what fighting games are. It is a note to take, maybe making the auto combo less effective, maybe shorter and let the player do some longer strings by their own it would be great.
Anyway, sorry for the big text and if I repeated/misunderstood anything you said, couldn't watch the whole video on a single sitting
Modern control is great if you or she is having fun. Just play the game however the player want.
I think the only problem with modern is going to be the hit confirms and frame 1 supers people will do. Being ready for hit confirms for combos was something that just came with doing many matches. Now I could just pick modern and have the game do it for me. Even at higher levels you wont see people doing frame 1 super. Thats something you only see a max lvl cpu do. Footsies is going to be so risky if your fighting a high lvl modern player. 20% dmg reduction wont matter if they check you with that increase to reaction time. Just forget about them dropping combos because the game will make sure they wont. High lvl is where I see the problem at. Low lvls will most likely not have players that would abuse that.
I'm new to it and tried the modern and classic. I can't even do the supers with the controller on classic setting. Why can't they make it more simple to 2 or 3 directional tops per special? 6 directionals is so unnecessary.
As a person who’s never played a street fighter game but has played other fighting games such as fighterz and MK I don’t like modern controls due to the lack of control and combo crafting there is because of how restricted it is. However I also very much dislike the classic controls at the same time, mainly because of how the special system is done. I don’t have a fight stick and double quarter circles feel god awful on a controllers joystick. I also feel like some of the inputs in classic controls could be simplified like they are in modern. I just wish there was an option to edit and alter your control style to make a healthy mix of the 2 so I could have the combo ability of classic with the simplicity of modern. But at the same time I can’t test it out too much because the game crashes my computer whenever I match against a player 🙃
Justin Wong had a 74 Game Win Streak using Modern Controls😅
I can only do a quarter circle and a few charge inputs. Modern helps a ton.
one small thing that I dont like is that lukes target combo LP MP HP in classic but is jus LP LP LP in classic which is dumb to me because its already easy and there are a bunch of other one button combos and going from light to medium to heavy is very common and intuitive and could have been a stepping stone from one button combos but it was not
Yes! God Hand background music 🤛
As someone who never played SF, this was exactly my thought. Although combining the 2 light buttons into 1 button makes a lot of sense, but the loss of back heavy kick on Luke is too much. I do think reducing the 6 attack buttons to 4 like in MK could make sense and would cut some redundant "fat". Changing control schemes however is not the way to go. Landing motion inputs is fun. Just freakin' teach us the game properly and I hope to god the campaign will increase the CPU level on the enemies towards the end, not just increase the stats, cuz otherwise we're looking another dumb af DBFZ campaign.
It’s a lot more than a teaching issue. Motion controls can be hard, especially if you’d like to do them consistently. Modern provides a great pick up and play option.
rofl that FLOWCHART is how i got Ken to gold
Maybe using the same idea as pressing a direction and a button to change the move like the heavy buttons would be a good idea so that players still have those options if they wanted then
I feel modern controls will incentivise people to play street fighter without the fear of skill issue however.
This will leave them open to more readable combo's to casual players. my example to explain this better would be imperfect cell versus super saiyan 2 trucks, sure it gives them a power boost with heavier and ease of instant combo's but a veteran will rip this up since it leaves little to no variation, which is why i will try to ease people into classic than modern.
it is good for new players but people should learn classic before hitting tourney's.
I could never play modern controls but i get why people may want to use it
Im an oll school gamer, for me modern control is perfect, since i never had 3000 buttons for 5000 different moves, we had, a few. Does it limit my game, yes, but it relies on that i read the opponent and not focus on my own game.
I've been playing modern all beta, in my opinion they shouldn't be nerfing the dmg output at all, the missing normals is a big enough nerf to it.
I’m really glad modern controls are as accessible and seemingly successful as they are, but clearly the intention is for players who want to improve beyond basic footsies and auto combo mashing to make their way to the tried and true classic controls
Tbh even though i love Street Fighter because SF2 was my first Fighting game ever, i always preffered the Light, medium, heavy system of games like Blazeblue, DBFZ, DNF duel or UMVC3 over the six button System of Street Fighter and thats the one and only reason i will play Modern Controls.
So my only wish left for SF7 will be chain combos instead of links, not gonna happen but let me dream^^
So confirming no damage penalty if you do the move normally
I’m so glad the modern controls are good enough to be somewhat competitive. Street Fighter is finally realizing that mechanically complex controls just gatekeeps the game away from people who want to play casually
Modern was made for zangief and Marisa lol. My zangief has been a beast online
Playing the Open Beta as a Street Fighter novice (but an experienced Tekken 7 player), feel like it really comes down to character knowledge and fundamentals. Picked up Guile first time using classic controls and did very well. I mainly lost to people like classic Ryu who knew the combos/punishments or modern Kimberly because I didn’t know the matchup at all. Modern players did seem to rely on hitting the same moves over and over again and didn’t know how to counter grabs or punish certain moves. I have a lot to improve on as well, but I think we shouldn’t base everything off of 3 days of actual online gameplay. Maybe a month or two will show more viable data.
True, there might be one more balance change
Who did you play in Tekken 7? I was a Lucky Chole and Kazumi player and I need a suggestion for SF6
@@Yokemeister I switched constantly. Yet I went past Genbu with Heihachi, Kazuya, and Bryan. For Street Fighter 6, play whoever looks cool to you and feels to play!
@@datmanbrandan Zangrief and Juri have been really fun to me, maybe when Tekken 8 comes out I’ll try King always thought he looked cool
@@Yokemeister Nice! Zangrief is fun. Have not tried out Juri tbh. If you want to start learning King, play him in Tekken 7 and watch videos from Lil Majin. He's a monster with King!
I am exclusively a PC player and in PC "controlling stuff" is mostly left to the players in most games
and because its mostly left to the players, stuff like keybinds are VERY personalized
in my opinion Capcom created Modern controls because they know Riot 100% will have waay easier controls
thats what Riot always does. But even as someone who always HATED Riot as a company
I can assure you that Riot's Project L will have easier controls and possibly those easy controls will either be the only option or have no downsides to them
Making getting into Project L much easier than getting into SF6 even if we don't take the price-tag into consideration which will also make Project L easier to get into cuz it will probably be F2P
I know it prolly sounded like I'm very hyped about Project L but in reality I hope it fails, I really don't want another genre dominated by Riot as I have yet to enjoy a single game they made despite trying them all tons of times both solo and with friends.
As a player of Fighting Games who has been turned away and discouraged by the steep learning curves of previous Street Fighter Titles, 6 feels like a breath of fresh air and a promise of accessibility. Modern Mode is exactly what someone like me needed to feel like I could be reasonably competitive. I get that I'm trading some options and a small precentage of damage, and the glory of that is I DONT CARE. I CAN PLAY THE GAME AT NEAR THE SAME FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL AS A CLASSIC PLAYER.
I cant speak to other characters yet, but as far as Luke goes, I hardly miss the few options I lose being in Modern, as I have a fully functional toolkit, with access to plenty of low to high skill combo routes with much less barrier to entry. And at any point, as mentioned by someone else, Because modern mode works to highlight my learning of the fundamentals and game sense, its not a massive leap from modern to classic. Sure, you need to do every input manually now, but Modern mode helped you figure out spacing, and timing, and how to buffer inputs, and which moves combo from what, so on and so forth. Through passive learning, Your pokes in modern mode instantly translate to Classic mode knowledge.
I think I would put it this way, Playing Modern mode isnt playing the game on easy mode like some people believe, rather, Playing Classic is playing on Hard Mode, but you get full control of every option, even the potentially bad ones.
Modern control has its own upside and downside. You can definitely learn and play well with it.
I feel like modern controls are for those to get easy confirma rather for me as normal controls is a way to optimize combos which is way fun for me as a new sf player
i've beaten lvl8cpu 5x in a row using modern control
try doing it with classic lol
also im a SSBU player so this is my 1st SF game
I'm so happy about this. This balancing reminds me of DragonBall's; high-level play gets what they want, people that don't want to invest get what they want.
I LOVE this game.
The ONLY difference for someone that can play, will be the ability to raw super with no frames given to performing the input. Everything else is irrelevant because of no scaling on manual inputs. Whether that is worth giving up normals for will depend on character and the specific normals that you lose. Modern will either be irrelevant or a huge problem, don’t know which yet
Modern controls will only ever be a problem if it's so good that the pros ditch classic controls completely. That alone should be enough to tell everyone that there's something wrong with it. I know a few pro players have said motion controls might be the way to go for some characters like Guile because you can always do 100% Flash Kicks. Even the best pro players will not make 100% of their Flash Kicks with classic
I think this would be awesome for just a playthrough on world tour to make it feel like a BEATEM up
very informational
i rlly dont know why i can use the med punch in modern controls
Im not sure if I am gonna get the game so I don't wanna put a bunch of time into learning the classic controls and doing combos on classic ,so modern is a good thing just for me to play the game and get a feel for it. If I do get the game I will definitely go to the classic mode
I play modern Guile and I can use his supers almost in reaction. In classic I always mess up the supers and they come out NOT right when I want. also it saves my thumbs on the pad, because its less stress on inputs. I am a much better player with modern than classic. Missing some tools that's for sure and that's sad, but at least I am having fun. Better than having all the tools and hating the game.
interesting I didn't know the special button was like that
"Is the instant super really worth that much?" Yes absolutely. When I can punish literal 1 frame openings with 1 button, I don't have to think about execution at all and can focus entirely on strategy. The damage output is negligible when I can easily whiff combos with classic controls, but telling someone "hey, you're guaranteed 80%"...that's just a way better deal.
The current trade off is the normals.
You lost some useful normals but can fast punish with lower damage super
@@thatDoubleT Some characters might be very dependent on their normals, but the ones that aren't might consider going modern for the faster reaction speed.