13:56 Someone dug into the scripts and confirmed that, yes, it's the framerate: forums.mixnmojo.com/topic/200473-speedruns/#comment-2791759 15:23 Changes have been very recently implemented in the official ScummVM daily builds to fix these timing issues. Once these get released officially, runners may no longer have to use fan-made forks to speedrun LucasArts games. 21:30 MilkToast almost exclusively runs Amiga versions because he has an emotional connection with that platform. Amiga versions of games are almost always slower than their DOS counterparts. MilkToast enjoys the routing aspect of speedrunning, so he normally begins by routing a game himself without looking at guides or other runs. Let this be a reminder for speedrunners to not just look at the world record for guidance. 26:40 You may be wondering why Leo moves forwards, even though the layout makes it impossible to move in any direction. It seems that sometimes, if you exit without moving first, the game doesn't always register it as a correct exit, even if that was the correct way to go. This has not been confirmed definitively, however. 26:58 There is one thing I wish I would have pointed out. In the original game, you could save whenever you wanted to. You just had to go through a menu and it took a second or two. I didn't mention it because, as an old-school adventure gamer, this was obvious to me. (That's my fault for not mentioning it.) So, the difference between using save / load strats on original hardware vs. using quicksaves would be a small matter of time per save/load, and not a completely different feature. Some people in the comments have characterized quicksave strats as "cheating." If people have the opinion that it shouldn't be allowed because it wasn't strictly available in the original, that's fine. I don't run the game, so I don't have a stake in it either way, personally. But calling it "cheating" seems like an exaggeration to me. 27:48 When spade started his stream and used save strats for the first time, Leo started his stream as well at the same time to try to beat him to the punch. However, he was not successful in getting a PB. 31:02 Leo's time would have been the saveless world record right after the split, except that he saved ONE time, right before the Carla fight, making his run second in the saves category. 34:41 You might also be wondering if it's possible to manipulate the RNG seed. LeoLitz looked into this in 2019, and it appeared (at that time) that the RNG seed is set by the number of milliseconds between opening ScummVM and loading your game. This is too precise for a human to get reliably. We couldn't confirm this fact in time for the video, however, which is why it's not in there.
@@shinyhappyrem8728 Its common in Europe to play the PAL version of an Amiga game (50fps), but there is a switch on every Amiga which lets you manually change between PAL and NTSC (US-Standard 60FPS). A lot of games back then were developed in europe and optimized for PAL (TSOMI not of course), you still can play those in NTSC, but this will mostly cut off a certain amount of the screen (due to the different resolutions used)and can produce some graphical glitches. Back then my 49m run was on PAL, but my current run is using the NTSC version and its way faster...still its slower then DOS, but there are more disadvantages on the Amiga like no dot skip (you can only speed up the dialog) and other things (also I am just not as good as the other runners). So Yes you are right, but it can be evened out mostly.
@@retrospeedruns777 I don't know man why do you only have one eye? (I'm guessing you were putting in a contact lens when...). What classifies as short? Why don't you read messages before the messenger.
Credit Early is one of those strategies that always comes up in relevant speed running histories. There’s a trick that could save time, but is obviously too tedious, luck-based, or difficult to try seriously. So eventually everyone tries it seriously.
@@Havokwreaker nope, it is just impossible to gain any internet glory by saying i did it, when all others say my friend x did it. You just gain much more in every aspect by saying that my friend did it at this point. If someone want glory and flattery, and positive fame he must say my friend x did it, in any other case he will be a bad guy. Even if one of them is 100% sure that he found it he just cant say it online, because of people expectations at this point. It is strange but people in recent years give "internet glory" to guys who are shy and humble, so if any materialist or realist want "glory" he must fit with expectations and by humble and shy. Any other decision will create negative reactions and take "glory" away. (Glory is a bit weird word, it schuld be just positive image or something)
@@wheedler nope, if any of them would say anything other than my friend x did this, they will gain only negative feedback, because people expect humble and shy runners. Even if one of them know that he found it 100% we will never hear that, because at this point only way to gain any glory is acting like nk e dude who want to give credit to someone else. This will give them "glory" and any statement other than my friend x did it will end badly for anyone claming anything.
@@adrianrybarczyk7902 I understand your point, and thank you for your thoughts. In this case, there were plenty of examples during the interviews where runners happily took credit for finding a strat. Also, these interviews were done independently, so none of them knew what the others were saying about it. I genuinely think that they just didn't remember.
Just for anyone interested: LeoLitz beat frozenspade's time by another 18 seconds on May 28th, pushing the time down to 27m 12s. He even mentioned this video at the end of his run!
Getting a world record at a big life event is awesome. Also I would really love to see Fate of Atlantis because it was both shown in this video and I have actually played it.
Fate of Atlantis might be good to do at some point. I'm only a little bit familiar with it, but I know people love the game. It would also give me another excuse to put ChuckGrody in a video, lol
@@OneShortEye It also features multiple routes and I'm curious if the Speedruns will prefer one route as time goes on or if different people run different routes that better suit their abilities.
@@OneShortEye Fate of Atlantis is gorgeous. Along with the Monkeys, it's one of my all-timers. Classic Lucas is just magical. I've never looked into running it, but I imagine there's also some interesting nitty-gritty there, what with the three different playstyle options (it looked like the runners you showed were playing the fighting path, which probably isn't surprising) and potentially a bit of safe-cracking action with the stone wheel code system that opens the various tombs. Also, as I said, it's just beautiful in places such as the endgame sequence. TL;DR I'd watch the heck out of any video you might make on it.
I love both you and Summoning Salt's videos a lot but you uniquely having interviews in these vids is so fun and personable and really brings the passion people have for speedrunning to the forefront so it's easier for folks to understand why all of this is so cool even if they'd never even thought about speedrunning themselves. Legit felt a little emotional when he quoted Picard lol. Hope this isn't weird to say but LeoLitz is cute! His voice is so gentle.
I found this video super cute for some reason. The fact that an obscure game being run and challenged by a tiny community and then the ending when they get to show it off.. Second video I have seen by you and I know where the rest of my night is about to go... Nice!
Great video. The Monkey Island games are some of my earliest gaming memories; we used to play them as a family on the Amiga when I would have been around 6 or 7. Seems like a really friendly community around the games.
29:49 Love the long build up to the jump cut punchline. The amount of work put into this video shows in moments like these. Highly underrated channel that I enjoy seeing in my sub box
I really like your work. As someone who appreciates the history and evolution of how people improve theses runs, I find these videos fascinating. And, as someone who is definitely in the casual player camp, its really accessible, and amazing to so what people can do to these beloved older games. If you feel up to it, I would love to see a history of Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis. However, no matter what you make next I will defiantly watch and rewatch it. Thanks for all your hard work.
This game was one of the few that stuck with me from first playing it in the 90s as like a 7 year old until now. Just the best of its kind, funny, thoughtful. Nothing quite like it and nothing will ever be quite like it at this point sadly.
I'm glad UA-cam recommended this to me because wow, what a great video and a great channel! Earned a sub for sure, and I'll need to check out your other content. Also, bit unfortunate about that first runner's handle. "phallusvogel" or "phallic bird" in German 😆
The quality of your videos keep on getting better and better! Thank you for all the hard work you put into these. It always makes my day brighter to see one of your videos pop up on my feed.
Dang, you did it again! Back in your QFG1 speedrun history video when you finally played mrprmiller's 1:00 run, (after a whole bunch of dud runs) you had me on the edge of my seat, screaming "This is it! This is it!" inside my head. And today you made me cry tears of joy with that finale at Time Capsule. That finale was amazing! ç_ç My computer died a couple weeks ago, I come back online today and discover: - A new SummoningSalt video, - A new OneShortEye video, - And someone in the romhacking community will try to hack/improve SimCity on the SNES I couldn't ask for a better day off. Thanks for being a part of it, OneShortEye. Keep up the work, I can't wait for your next video already.
Those are extremely kind words, and I'm glad you've enjoyed the videos so much. The worst part about making these is feeling the pressure of making the next one at least as good as the others. ;)
Another amazing video from the king of point and click speedrun docs. Great job Shorty! Awesome work runners! You guys are the coolest. Side note, kinda weird that I haven't run this yet when every track is a banger. I guess I gotta come out of retirement soon...
I remember me and my friend going around the island collecting insults and responses, trying to become the best swordsman. I don't think we ever beat the game: our endgame was just swordfighting!
Thank you so much! Without an explanation the world of speedrun is not understandable, there is too much to get into. Very interesting to watch all your documentaries, very good narration in the form of a detective story.
This was such a well made video! I'm not into speedrunning myself but occasionally watch other people speedrun. I am, however, a huge fan of point-and-click adventures, so I was actually skeptical about seeing Monkey Island being speedrun like this. It almost felt sacrilegious in a way. But the video did such a great job of portraying both the game and the runners that I totally changed my mind. I've never seen this much love in a speedrunning community. This most certainly is the second best speedrunning video I've ever seen.
I'm really happy you came away with that understanding. Sometimes people seem to think that speedrunners dislike or disrespect the game because they're trying to skip everything. But to run a game well, you have to understand it on a mechanical level. Most speedrunners I know run games that they love and want to get more value out of it.
I love your videos man, this has to be the strongest I've felt about a new upload from someone I subscribe to. Like HOLY SHIT i look forward to your videos like it's the fucking 90s and you're Dallas. I can't stop! Thanks so much!
Monkey island is one of my favorite game ever!! I played that even before knowing how to speak English... I never knew that was such a big community around speed running this game!!
Have watched many of your adventure game history and other videos. Love that you are reviewing games of this style! There is a large part of my heart that enjoys them :)
Your videos are fantastic from both an entertainment and documentation perspective. I hope to see more in the future (in particular I'd like to see more Sanitarium, but I'd be happy to see any other dosports).
Id like to recommend Dont Escape 4 Days in the Wasteland which is an adventure game but with a percentage survival twist (there are actions that help hinder surviving every night). Every day has one of few hazard themes and you end up going to space. Theres also good lore.
For me, you are the Summoning Salt of Monkey Island Speedruns. Ever thought about diversifying your content and try other games? I think that would work well, your style is amazing. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the upload. I really like your style and especially the interviews with the other runners. I have never really played these games that you have aired but it still is heaps interesting. I hope there are some maybe Space Quest games in the mix coming up that haven't already been uploaded but I am sure I will like whatever you do anyways
40:34 I remember me and my brother playing monkey 2 on a... 98 computer (I think) and I thought I was so clever for figuring out the keyboard shortcuts.
getting a new pb/wr at an event is not very likely, but when it happens it is downright the most epic thing to happen. one that I remember is the super Mario 64 one. its just incredible. and to think if he had not gone for credit early it wouldn't have happened
Cool. Did not hope to see a new video coming that soon from you. Now i get greedy and want a monkey island 2 (my favourite old school adventure game) speedrun video.
Great analysis video! Kinda interesting, yet disappointing, that Monkey Island seems so much more reflex-based, but I'm glad that puzzle-solving & decision also seemed like a big part of the routing, too! Thanks for uploading!
I've never speed ran before but as a kid I tried to complete the second act before the music quit playing. I got pretty fast at it. Also I managed to do the red herring strat when I was young.
I'm completely fine with the concept of speedrunning adventure games. I'm however more interested in the theoretical aspect rather than the execution, and tend to watch TASes rather than human-executed runs, although the latter admittedly makes for better suspense & drama in documentaries like this.
Someone posted this in the Facebook group MS-DOS Gaming or LucasArts Adventure Games (I don't remember which, it was a couple of days ago, but I suspect the former), HAD to watch, even though this is about 10 times as long as my usual limit, :) Thing is, I seem to recall being able to save whenever you want in the original Monkey Island back in 1990, is ScummVM making THAT much difference? I mean, from this it sounds like time saving and loading counts, but I don't recall the original process being THAT long, pretty sure I can save and load almost as fast as a Quicksave (especially if I reuse a slot and don't change the name). And it seemed like at least a few people in this video don't know the keyboard shortcuts, LOL! HUGE time saver! I was about to call attention to this before this video gave the tip, LOL! The only thing is that I think there's two sets, one just uses the left quadrant of the keyboard (like the video shows) and one tries to use letters from the words, as some of the text indicates, in this set S is Push and Y is Pull (I forget why neither can be P, actually I think that's Pause), T is Talk, O is Open, U is Use, I think C is Close... Also, they claim that Snap Scrolling makes the Melee doors useful, I found even with slow scrolling it was a HUGE difference between using the doors and walking! (I never tried speedrunning but I like efficiency, plus it helps with the melting grog mugs).
Yes, you can save whenever you want in the original game. So the issue is just a matter of speed. One confounding factor is that the original Save / Load menus are not available in ScummVM at all for Monkey Island. You have to use the ScummVM menu. In fact, I bought Curse of Monkey Island recently. Even commercially, it's bundled with ScummVM, and you just have to know to press F5. There's no in-game save option.
@@OneShortEye Actually, the idea is that ScummVM makes the roughly standard F5 into the actual standard across the board, a lot of their games were F5 anyway (I think F8 for QuickSave also?).
Years of controversy about if savestates were legal or not, hmm. Have most people fotgotten that the original release of Monkey Island did actually have save states/quick saves already? They were totally separate from the normal save/load system of SCUMM and used initially for recording gameplay. This functionality could be accessed with the Shift-F9 and Shift-F10 keys and was common knowledge when the game came out, particularly since it allowed you to skip the copyprotection screen (something that the regular save/load would not do). It was also mentioned in the manual, at least the early versions. ScummVM did not port this feature as it was part 9f the interpreter, not the engine, and only later added quick saves.
Interesting! Do you have a link to a manual that references that? The only info I could find is a tweet describing this behavior (twitter.com/neilcic/status/1202389244074962945). From that tweet and your description, those keys would record and playback gameplay. Can you help me understand how that's equivalent to a quicksave, and how you would use it to bypass the copy protection screen?
@@OneShortEye I know for sure it was in my German manual for 2 of my MI1 releases and in a CD only release of the English version as well. You could record a whole playthrough of the game in very small files using this method, as it saved the current state of the game first and then any additional inputs from mouse and keyboard by the user). Shift-F9 would start recording, and Shift-F10 would load and play back a saved recording. Playback could be interrupted at any time to switch back to direct control of the game. So to skip the copy protection, you would first simply start a recording after entering the game once past the copyprotection screen, then terminate it again immediately. The next time you boot up the game, simply load the saved recording from the title screen, and, boom, you are in the game! I talked with Ron Gilbert about this some years ago over a few beers and he admitted he wasn't aware of that way to skip the copyprotection 🤣
Then again, every Monkey Island game from 1 to 4 had a special "quick win"/speedrun mode also built in as a joke, but boldly stated in the official manuals. If you want to win the game really quickly, just press Ctrl-W. So by that logic, you could consider this an official way of playing as well🤣. I vaguely remember this also being mentioned in the Guinness book of records or somewhere as the computer game that can be won the fastest way.
hey, great video👍 have you ever thought about including a graph that reveals the WR? i saw it in The History of New Super Mario Bros Wii World Records and i think that i was able to imagine the time saves better that way
I did notice that in Summoning Salt's latest videos and I think it would be a great addition. Unfortunately, I was too deep into making this one to do it without reworking a lot of things, and it would have pushed an already delayed project back even further. But for future videos, it's a great idea.
13:56 Someone dug into the scripts and confirmed that, yes, it's the framerate: forums.mixnmojo.com/topic/200473-speedruns/#comment-2791759
15:23 Changes have been very recently implemented in the official ScummVM daily builds to fix these timing issues. Once these get released officially, runners may no longer have to use fan-made forks to speedrun LucasArts games.
21:30 MilkToast almost exclusively runs Amiga versions because he has an emotional connection with that platform. Amiga versions of games are almost always slower than their DOS counterparts. MilkToast enjoys the routing aspect of speedrunning, so he normally begins by routing a game himself without looking at guides or other runs. Let this be a reminder for speedrunners to not just look at the world record for guidance.
26:40 You may be wondering why Leo moves forwards, even though the layout makes it impossible to move in any direction. It seems that sometimes, if you exit without moving first, the game doesn't always register it as a correct exit, even if that was the correct way to go. This has not been confirmed definitively, however.
26:58 There is one thing I wish I would have pointed out. In the original game, you could save whenever you wanted to. You just had to go through a menu and it took a second or two. I didn't mention it because, as an old-school adventure gamer, this was obvious to me. (That's my fault for not mentioning it.) So, the difference between using save / load strats on original hardware vs. using quicksaves would be a small matter of time per save/load, and not a completely different feature. Some people in the comments have characterized quicksave strats as "cheating." If people have the opinion that it shouldn't be allowed because it wasn't strictly available in the original, that's fine. I don't run the game, so I don't have a stake in it either way, personally. But calling it "cheating" seems like an exaggeration to me.
27:48 When spade started his stream and used save strats for the first time, Leo started his stream as well at the same time to try to beat him to the punch. However, he was not successful in getting a PB.
31:02 Leo's time would have been the saveless world record right after the split, except that he saved ONE time, right before the Carla fight, making his run second in the saves category.
34:41 You might also be wondering if it's possible to manipulate the RNG seed. LeoLitz looked into this in 2019, and it appeared (at that time) that the RNG seed is set by the number of milliseconds between opening ScummVM and loading your game. This is too precise for a human to get reliably. We couldn't confirm this fact in time for the video, however, which is why it's not in there.
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IIRC Amiga is 50 fps while VGA is 60 or so, might be the reason for the speed difference
@@helpimadog-speedruns8606 Are you actually a dog, and, if so, what kind of help do you need?
@@shinyhappyrem8728 Its common in Europe to play the PAL version of an Amiga game (50fps), but there is a switch on every Amiga which lets you manually change between PAL and NTSC (US-Standard 60FPS). A lot of games back then were developed in europe and optimized for PAL (TSOMI not of course), you still can play those in NTSC, but this will mostly cut off a certain amount of the screen (due to the different resolutions used)and can produce some graphical glitches. Back then my 49m run was on PAL, but my current run is using the NTSC version and its way faster...still its slower then DOS, but there are more disadvantages on the Amiga like no dot skip (you can only speed up the dialog) and other things (also I am just not as good as the other runners). So Yes you are right, but it can be evened out mostly.
@@retrospeedruns777 I don't know man why do you only have one eye? (I'm guessing you were putting in a contact lens when...). What classifies as short? Why don't you read messages before the messenger.
Credit Early is one of those strategies that always comes up in relevant speed running histories. There’s a trick that could save time, but is obviously too tedious, luck-based, or difficult to try seriously.
So eventually everyone tries it seriously.
See also: "This trick was TAS-only. Until..."
The bit where Steve says Leo found the beach warp, FrozenSpade says Steve found it, and then Leo says FrozenSpade found it, is so funny.
I love how there's no one trying to claim that they did it first to claim some kind of internet glory. The speedrunning community is so wholesome.
@@Havokwreaker nope, it is just impossible to gain any internet glory by saying i did it, when all others say my friend x did it. You just gain much more in every aspect by saying that my friend did it at this point. If someone want glory and flattery, and positive fame he must say my friend x did it, in any other case he will be a bad guy. Even if one of them is 100% sure that he found it he just cant say it online, because of people expectations at this point. It is strange but people in recent years give "internet glory" to guys who are shy and humble, so if any materialist or realist want "glory" he must fit with expectations and by humble and shy. Any other decision will create negative reactions and take "glory" away. (Glory is a bit weird word, it schuld be just positive image or something)
@@adrianrybarczyk7902 Nope, nobody's sure, so any of them could just claim it was themselves and get the glory.
@@wheedler nope, if any of them would say anything other than my friend x did this, they will gain only negative feedback, because people expect humble and shy runners. Even if one of them know that he found it 100% we will never hear that, because at this point only way to gain any glory is acting like nk e dude who want to give credit to someone else. This will give them "glory" and any statement other than my friend x did it will end badly for anyone claming anything.
@@adrianrybarczyk7902 I understand your point, and thank you for your thoughts. In this case, there were plenty of examples during the interviews where runners happily took credit for finding a strat. Also, these interviews were done independently, so none of them knew what the others were saying about it. I genuinely think that they just didn't remember.
Just for anyone interested: LeoLitz beat frozenspade's time by another 18 seconds on May 28th, pushing the time down to 27m 12s.
He even mentioned this video at the end of his run!
Yep! Leo was kind enough to wait until the day after this video came out. ;)
@@OneShortEye looks like it is now 26m 50s since 11.07.2022
Getting a world record at a big life event is awesome.
Also I would really love to see Fate of Atlantis because it was both shown in this video and I have actually played it.
Fate of Atlantis might be good to do at some point. I'm only a little bit familiar with it, but I know people love the game. It would also give me another excuse to put ChuckGrody in a video, lol
@@OneShortEye It also features multiple routes and I'm curious if the Speedruns will prefer one route as time goes on or if different people run different routes that better suit their abilities.
@@OneShortEye Fate of Atlantis is gorgeous. Along with the Monkeys, it's one of my all-timers. Classic Lucas is just magical.
I've never looked into running it, but I imagine there's also some interesting nitty-gritty there, what with the three different playstyle options (it looked like the runners you showed were playing the fighting path, which probably isn't surprising) and potentially a bit of safe-cracking action with the stone wheel code system that opens the various tombs. Also, as I said, it's just beautiful in places such as the endgame sequence. TL;DR I'd watch the heck out of any video you might make on it.
@@OneShortEye You haven't paid me for the last 6 videos I was in.
@@SageOwl send me yr paypal
I love both you and Summoning Salt's videos a lot but you uniquely having interviews in these vids is so fun and personable and really brings the passion people have for speedrunning to the forefront so it's easier for folks to understand why all of this is so cool even if they'd never even thought about speedrunning themselves. Legit felt a little emotional when he quoted Picard lol. Hope this isn't weird to say but LeoLitz is cute! His voice is so gentle.
I found this video super cute for some reason.
The fact that an obscure game being run and challenged by a tiny community and then the ending when they get to show it off.. Second video I have seen by you and I know where the rest of my night is about to go...
Nice!
Great video. The Monkey Island games are some of my earliest gaming memories; we used to play them as a family on the Amiga when I would have been around 6 or 7. Seems like a really friendly community around the games.
29:49 Love the long build up to the jump cut punchline. The amount of work put into this video shows in moments like these. Highly underrated channel that I enjoy seeing in my sub box
Banger upload! Let's fucking goooo 🥳
Thank you as always my dude 💕
Thank you for watching!
I really like your work. As someone who appreciates the history and evolution of how people improve theses runs, I find these videos fascinating. And, as someone who is definitely in the casual player camp, its really accessible, and amazing to so what people can do to these beloved older games. If you feel up to it, I would love to see a history of Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis. However, no matter what you make next I will defiantly watch and rewatch it. Thanks for all your hard work.
This game was one of the few that stuck with me from first playing it in the 90s as like a 7 year old until now. Just the best of its kind, funny, thoughtful. Nothing quite like it and nothing will ever be quite like it at this point sadly.
The pixel graphics of the original is so much more charming than the remake graphics
Something about multiple Stan’s talking over those lines of code made me laugh out loud. 😆
This is one of my favorite games of all time and I learned around 20 things I didn't know about it by watching this video. Speedrunners fucking rule.
I'm glad UA-cam recommended this to me because wow, what a great video and a great channel! Earned a sub for sure, and I'll need to check out your other content.
Also, bit unfortunate about that first runner's handle. "phallusvogel" or "phallic bird" in German 😆
I havnt heard anyone talk about monkey island but its one of my favourite game series of all time
I saw this video pop up the moment you released it, when I was about to go to sleep. It's a sin that I forgot to watch it for 3 weeks!
The quality of your videos keep on getting better and better! Thank you for all the hard work you put into these.
It always makes my day brighter to see one of your videos pop up on my feed.
Those are extremely kind comments, thank you.
This is probably the geekiest series I follow on UA-cam and, man, was I psyched for spades with his WR at GDQ!
Dang, you did it again!
Back in your QFG1 speedrun history video when you finally played mrprmiller's 1:00 run, (after a whole bunch of dud runs) you had me on the edge of my seat, screaming "This is it! This is it!" inside my head. And today you made me cry tears of joy with that finale at Time Capsule. That finale was amazing! ç_ç
My computer died a couple weeks ago, I come back online today and discover:
- A new SummoningSalt video,
- A new OneShortEye video,
- And someone in the romhacking community will try to hack/improve SimCity on the SNES
I couldn't ask for a better day off. Thanks for being a part of it, OneShortEye. Keep up the work, I can't wait for your next video already.
Those are extremely kind words, and I'm glad you've enjoyed the videos so much. The worst part about making these is feeling the pressure of making the next one at least as good as the others. ;)
been looking around for more " Speedrun History" kind of videos and i can say you are on your way to joining summoning salt at the top
Great video, thanks! I was genuinely happy for frozenspade in the end to get the WR in the GDQ presentation!
Another amazing video from the king of point and click speedrun docs. Great job Shorty! Awesome work runners! You guys are the coolest.
Side note, kinda weird that I haven't run this yet when every track is a banger. I guess I gotta come out of retirement soon...
You're too kind, friend. Hope you're well. :)
chuckg3Berta :wine: BLOODY FUCKIN ZOOMER PHONY BRO GONNA RUIN ANOTHER WR I CANT CONTAIN MYSLEF *PUKES* KENNNNYYYYYY
This is the one I’ve been waiting for the most. I love KQ with all my heart, but this game is my absolute favourite game of all time :)
Happy to deliver. :)
"I like to think of myself as an optimiser"
**Brute forces the rng**
That was the most wholesome ending anyone could have asked for. Great stuff.
Setting the world record AT GDQ is an absolutely amazing story.
I remember me and my friend going around the island collecting insults and responses, trying to become the best swordsman. I don't think we ever beat the game: our endgame was just swordfighting!
Your videos make me fall in love with older point and click adventure games again.
I was hooked the entire time! Well done OneShortEye. Time to dive into your other videos.
Thank you for covering this exception game. I've been a fan since I was a child using the original Dial-a-pirate.
Amazing video. Love that you got recommended to me by the algorithm!
Thank you so much! Without an explanation the world of speedrun is not understandable, there is too much to get into. Very interesting to watch all your documentaries, very good narration in the form of a detective story.
This was such a well made video! I'm not into speedrunning myself but occasionally watch other people speedrun. I am, however, a huge fan of point-and-click adventures, so I was actually skeptical about seeing Monkey Island being speedrun like this. It almost felt sacrilegious in a way. But the video did such a great job of portraying both the game and the runners that I totally changed my mind. I've never seen this much love in a speedrunning community. This most certainly is the second best speedrunning video I've ever seen.
I'm really happy you came away with that understanding. Sometimes people seem to think that speedrunners dislike or disrespect the game because they're trying to skip everything. But to run a game well, you have to understand it on a mechanical level. Most speedrunners I know run games that they love and want to get more value out of it.
Great video! A big fan of this game from my childhood and was great to see all the speedrun work done on it! 😊
Literally started binging your videos yesterday and I'm already graced with another one? Heck yeah!
I love your videos man, this has to be the strongest I've felt about a new upload from someone I subscribe to. Like HOLY SHIT i look forward to your videos like it's the fucking 90s and you're Dallas. I can't stop! Thanks so much!
Monkey island is one of my favorite game ever!! I played that even before knowing how to speak English... I never knew that was such a big community around speed running this game!!
This is super high production value. Well done, great video.
Have watched many of your adventure game history and other videos. Love that you are reviewing games of this style! There is a large part of my heart that enjoys them :)
Your videos are fantastic from both an entertainment and documentation perspective. I hope to see more in the future (in particular I'd like to see more Sanitarium, but I'd be happy to see any other dosports).
Criminally underrated channel, high quality video per usual!
this was such a well crafted video, loved it!
This was fascinating--great job!
Doing the lord's work by properly documenting these events. Thank you, kind sir! ❤
Nice video! :) I love this game, I did not know people where speedrunning it.
This improved my Friday. I hope this means a Day of the Tentacle or Maniac Mansion video is in the future.
Id like to recommend Dont Escape 4 Days in the Wasteland which is an adventure game but with a percentage survival twist (there are actions that help hinder surviving every night). Every day has one of few hazard themes and you end up going to space. Theres also good lore.
Live WR on GDQ is always a holy shit moment.
This is awesome. Well done. I hope you keep making these videos.
freakin' WR during a GDQ is wild
16:51: It also goes the other way: "Only once I have met such a coward" can be countered with "He must have taught you everything you know."
For me, you are the Summoning Salt of Monkey Island Speedruns. Ever thought about diversifying your content and try other games? I think that would work well, your style is amazing.
Keep up the good work.
It really good speedrun history! Thanks!
one of my favorite games of all time. Awesome video.
Love your videos. I'd love to see a fate of atlantis video, it's my favourite adventure game. Thanks for the vid!
Fascinating video. Amazing work. Thank you for this.
Thanks for the upload. I really like your style and especially the interviews with the other runners. I have never really played these games that you have aired but it still is heaps interesting. I hope there are some maybe Space Quest games in the mix coming up that haven't already been uploaded but I am sure I will like whatever you do anyways
40:34 I remember me and my brother playing monkey 2 on a... 98 computer (I think) and I thought I was so clever for figuring out the keyboard shortcuts.
This game has a very nice community from the sound of it.
The traversty of ”return to monkey island” will never be true: listen to your heart - you know it to be true.
**Space Quest theme over TNG game footage**
You glorious bastard.
Space Quest theme over TNG game footage *in a LucasArts video*. Gotta find a way to sneak the Sierra back in. ;)
getting a new pb/wr at an event is not very likely, but when it happens it is downright the most epic thing to happen. one that I remember is the super Mario 64 one. its just incredible.
and to think if he had not gone for credit early it wouldn't have happened
Cool. Did not hope to see a new video coming that soon from you. Now i get greedy and want a monkey island 2 (my favourite old school adventure game) speedrun video.
Monkey 2 has a really extensive history as well. I'd love to talk about that one eventually.
Great analysis video! Kinda interesting, yet disappointing, that Monkey Island seems so much more reflex-based, but I'm glad that puzzle-solving & decision also seemed like a big part of the routing, too! Thanks for uploading!
I love these old P&C adventure games!
31:57 - Wow, just noticed that the sword fighting insults are credited to Orson Scott Card
hell yeah another video!!!
27:30 I guess you could say runners started... *save scumming*
These videos are so good. Hope you do all the games, Indy, Dott, etc
Great video! Really well done, I'd love to see more of this kind of documentery!
This video makes me wonder if there is anything to say of note for Maniac Mansion.
Kudos for getting the italian pronunciation of Leo's name right. Most anglophones would say it as "Lee-oh", when it is instead "Leh-oh".
Though Leo says he doesn't mind either way, I am glad that I asked.
Great video. Thanks!
Any plans on a "Star control 2 speedrun History" video?
I've never speed ran before but as a kid I tried to complete the second act before the music quit playing. I got pretty fast at it. Also I managed to do the red herring strat when I was young.
Behind you!
Hey, do you really think I'm THAT stupid?
Yes! 1 of the best game series, ever. So funny. But also so fkn hard.
Incredible speedruns and incredible video.
Leo is just a wholesome dude
That UrQuan guy again lol.
UrQuan's effect on classic point and click adventure speedrunning cannot be overstated.
I actually agreed they should split the leaderboards. If I watched a speedrun of Monkey Island I would just assume save scumming wasn't allowed
I know you focus on adventure games but look into the megaman battle network runs they are insane
I'm completely fine with the concept of speedrunning adventure games. I'm however more interested in the theoretical aspect rather than the execution, and tend to watch TASes rather than human-executed runs, although the latter admittedly makes for better suspense & drama in documentaries like this.
You know, the more time goes on, the more I feel the same. I'm still in awe of talented runners, but I geek out more on how a game gets broken.
As Guybrush would say "Nice"
Sword Fighting Insults: Orson Scott Card
Cool.
Love the game and loved this video. Thanks!
Wow! such a great video! it's an adventure itself
Do Day of the Tentacle and/or Maniac Mansion next!
00:05 You forgot "one of the best soundtracks of all time"
Awesome video!
Love your videos
Someone posted this in the Facebook group MS-DOS Gaming or LucasArts Adventure Games (I don't remember which, it was a couple of days ago, but I suspect the former), HAD to watch, even though this is about 10 times as long as my usual limit, :)
Thing is, I seem to recall being able to save whenever you want in the original Monkey Island back in 1990, is ScummVM making THAT much difference? I mean, from this it sounds like time saving and loading counts, but I don't recall the original process being THAT long, pretty sure I can save and load almost as fast as a Quicksave (especially if I reuse a slot and don't change the name).
And it seemed like at least a few people in this video don't know the keyboard shortcuts, LOL! HUGE time saver! I was about to call attention to this before this video gave the tip, LOL! The only thing is that I think there's two sets, one just uses the left quadrant of the keyboard (like the video shows) and one tries to use letters from the words, as some of the text indicates, in this set S is Push and Y is Pull (I forget why neither can be P, actually I think that's Pause), T is Talk, O is Open, U is Use, I think C is Close...
Also, they claim that Snap Scrolling makes the Melee doors useful, I found even with slow scrolling it was a HUGE difference between using the doors and walking! (I never tried speedrunning but I like efficiency, plus it helps with the melting grog mugs).
Yes, you can save whenever you want in the original game. So the issue is just a matter of speed. One confounding factor is that the original Save / Load menus are not available in ScummVM at all for Monkey Island. You have to use the ScummVM menu. In fact, I bought Curse of Monkey Island recently. Even commercially, it's bundled with ScummVM, and you just have to know to press F5. There's no in-game save option.
@@OneShortEye Actually, the idea is that ScummVM makes the roughly standard F5 into the actual standard across the board, a lot of their games were F5 anyway (I think F8 for QuickSave also?).
39:28 Hey, I'm famous!
Keep finding monkey island shortcuts plz thanks
The secret of Monkey Island Any %?
Well, I will complete 0% in 10 seconds.
HA! New world record.
Beat that, chump!
Another great one, OSE. Thanks.
Years of controversy about if savestates were legal or not, hmm. Have most people fotgotten that the original release of Monkey Island did actually have save states/quick saves already? They were totally separate from the normal save/load system of SCUMM and used initially for recording gameplay. This functionality could be accessed with the Shift-F9 and Shift-F10 keys and was common knowledge when the game came out, particularly since it allowed you to skip the copyprotection screen (something that the regular save/load would not do). It was also mentioned in the manual, at least the early versions. ScummVM did not port this feature as it was part 9f the interpreter, not the engine, and only later added quick saves.
Interesting! Do you have a link to a manual that references that? The only info I could find is a tweet describing this behavior (twitter.com/neilcic/status/1202389244074962945). From that tweet and your description, those keys would record and playback gameplay. Can you help me understand how that's equivalent to a quicksave, and how you would use it to bypass the copy protection screen?
@@OneShortEye I know for sure it was in my German manual for 2 of my MI1 releases and in a CD only release of the English version as well. You could record a whole playthrough of the game in very small files using this method, as it saved the current state of the game first and then any additional inputs from mouse and keyboard by the user). Shift-F9 would start recording, and Shift-F10 would load and play back a saved recording. Playback could be interrupted at any time to switch back to direct control of the game. So to skip the copy protection, you would first simply start a recording after entering the game once past the copyprotection screen, then terminate it again immediately. The next time you boot up the game, simply load the saved recording from the title screen, and, boom, you are in the game! I talked with Ron Gilbert about this some years ago over a few beers and he admitted he wasn't aware of that way to skip the copyprotection 🤣
being negative 6 when this game came out I didn't know about it, I first played monkey island in 2006-2007 with my father
Then again, every Monkey Island game from 1 to 4 had a special "quick win"/speedrun mode also built in as a joke, but boldly stated in the official manuals. If you want to win the game really quickly, just press Ctrl-W. So by that logic, you could consider this an official way of playing as well🤣. I vaguely remember this also being mentioned in the Guinness book of records or somewhere as the computer game that can be won the fastest way.
Such great content. I can barely watch 10m yt videos but this was very well made.
hey, great video👍 have you ever thought about including a graph that reveals the WR? i saw it in The History of New Super Mario Bros Wii World Records and i think that i was able to imagine the time saves better that way
I did notice that in Summoning Salt's latest videos and I think it would be a great addition. Unfortunately, I was too deep into making this one to do it without reworking a lot of things, and it would have pushed an already delayed project back even further. But for future videos, it's a great idea.