I had also thought about adapting the Lotr skirmish game. I've written a few army lists for ancients but haven't altered any core rules. Anything in the core rules you think needs changing for playing mesbg with ancients?
How do they compare in size? I got some Romans and from both companies, both said 28mm, but Victrix has significantly larger models and actually they cannot blend in a unit. How is it with Celts?
Warlord Games Early Imperial Romans are 25mm so smaller but their Caesarean Romans (chainmail with oval shields) are 28mm. The Celts work well together as seen in this video.
14:30 The Waterloo "helmet" would _not_ have been worn for battle. It's a good thing that wargaming kits _do not_ include it; as it'd only be used in a ceremonial, parade or theatrical capacity, regardless of how popular they are to our unfortunate modern sensibilites, they would have been impractical and counter-productive. It's not actually a helmet. Also, we've only ever found _one_ like that, there's no evidence for it being more than a one-off design; it may have just been some curio gadget to entertain guests at parties. Seriously, people should stop depicting Iron-Age fighters wearing horned _costume_ helmets.
@@Unclecthulu Helmet with bird on top is from Ciumesti, Romania and dates from 4th century bc but the grave itself is 3rd century bc suggesting the helmet was handed down for several generations. The helmet is iron and the bird bronze, perhaps added later. The outstretched wings would have flapped as the warrior went into battle. Usually ignored is that the warrior also had a pair of Greek style bronze greaves. The Waterloo helmet is a bit small to have been worn but there is no reason to assume that larger versions weren't worn. Crested helmets including horns are well attested amongst the Celts and their neighbours. Such helmets were rare in Gaul and would have been even rarer in Britain. For some examples of odd helmet crests check out the helmets from Tintignac. It's possible these could have been ceremonial but they're light enough to be worn and if so would have been worn on horseback.
You have done a much better job of painting those Celts than I did, especially where the stripes are concerned! Useful tip about the slings too.
I think my tip.for the stripes, make.sure your paint is thin and go.for it!
Some serious thoughts love this and some very useful tips, all the best, Garry
Back to ACW next week, enjoying these just now.
I had also thought about adapting the Lotr skirmish game. I've written a few army lists for ancients but haven't altered any core rules. Anything in the core rules you think needs changing for playing mesbg with ancients?
How do they compare in size? I got some Romans and from both companies, both said 28mm, but Victrix has significantly larger models and actually they cannot blend in a unit. How is it with Celts?
Celts look fine. The warlord Romans I have found are on the small size.
Warlord Games Early Imperial Romans are 25mm so smaller but their Caesarean Romans (chainmail with oval shields) are 28mm. The Celts work well together as seen in this video.
Whaty glue do people recommend for these?
Plastic models I use Games Workshop plastic glue.
Found ya ...nick
14:30 The Waterloo "helmet" would _not_ have been worn for battle. It's a good thing that wargaming kits _do not_ include it; as it'd only be used in a ceremonial, parade or theatrical capacity, regardless of how popular they are to our unfortunate modern sensibilites, they would have been impractical and counter-productive. It's not actually a helmet. Also, we've only ever found _one_ like that, there's no evidence for it being more than a one-off design; it may have just been some curio gadget to entertain guests at parties. Seriously, people should stop depicting Iron-Age fighters wearing horned _costume_ helmets.
Thanks for the knowledge. Do you have good sources I could check out?
How about the helmet with the bird on top?
@@Unclecthulu Helmet with bird on top is from Ciumesti, Romania and dates from 4th century bc but the grave itself is 3rd century bc suggesting the helmet was handed down for several generations. The helmet is iron and the bird bronze, perhaps added later. The outstretched wings would have flapped as the warrior went into battle. Usually ignored is that the warrior also had a pair of Greek style bronze greaves.
The Waterloo helmet is a bit small to have been worn but there is no reason to assume that larger versions weren't worn. Crested helmets including horns are well attested amongst the Celts and their neighbours. Such helmets were rare in Gaul and would have been even rarer in Britain.
For some examples of odd helmet crests check out the helmets from Tintignac. It's possible these could have been ceremonial but they're light enough to be worn and if so would have been worn on horseback.