Fusion Reborn probably took place in an Alternative Timeline where... 1) Gotenks kills Fat Buu before he is able to split into the other versions of himself. 2) Gohan doesn’t pull the Z Sword or turn Mystic due to Fat Buu not being a threat anymore so Gohan goes back to being the Great Saiyaman. 3) Goku’s time runs out on Earth and he goes back to Other World like he did in the original timeline. 4) All of the other events before Gotenks killed Fat Buu still happened like it did in the original timeline (Vegeta’s sacrifice, Majiin Vegeta, World Tournament, SSJ Gohan, etc)
I wanted to say that time in otherwrld could take place slower then in the regular world and when goku went back to the otherworld and vegeta had died already but the dumb stuff happening on earth is why it cant be but other wise yea sure l.
Akira Toriyama confirmed many moons ago in several interviews when he told viewers the movies weren't canon only for years later to explain it was a fib and the movies have always been canon and are now relegated to "What if" scenarios just like the Marvel comic books.
+Dragon Ball University I think Wrath of the Dragon can happen man. Even though it's still a Toei film, you gotta give the film its love. It's the only film to take place after the Buu Saga had ended. There is some inconsistent with it, but hey, it was a great movie.
@@DragonBallUniversity your welcome, and don't call me Beerus. Plus, I wish the Dragon Fist was re-canon by Toriyama in Super in 2019, that move is a beast of a technique. Also, Dragon Fist Explosion was a real thing in Japan.
Yup, I agree with your points about the film. With this movie and the Dragon Ball Z movies in general, I always imagined them taking place in alternate timelines. This movie for instance feels like a what if Gotenks defeated Majin Buu and Vegeta stayed dead.
@Dian Um, no it didn't. That couldn't happen because Hercule wouldn't be in the city if it was the case. Not to mention that Gohan was still training in Supreme Kai's world.
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@@dwad8710 Well what we do know is that Fusion Reborn is after Gokus time limit on earth ran out and Vegeta did his final explosion, and before Goku is sent to the Kai planet as well as before Vegeta gets his body taken away (we see his soul get sent elsewhere in the end of Fusion Reborn)
Fusion Reborn should be a canon " if Gohan could not appear as Saiyaman together with Videl, Gotenks and Trucks fighting the living dead, He should be training a sword in Kai's World, during that time", it can be fit in the story timeline after the Goku taught Goten and Trunks with Fusion dance and escorted with baba to back to the dead world. During that time Gotenks should be fighting Majin Buu in Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 actually did a Fairly good job as fitting this into the Buu saga as well by cutting Goku they made this fit in perfectly with after Vegeta died but
Well For starters, there are MANY PEOPLE in that line at the otherworld check-in station and is why we don't see Buu. Fusion Reborn is canon and would take place after Kii Buu but before Goku fights Uub at the end of Z. Definitely after they made the wish of Earth's denizens to forget all of Buu's acts of evil. Gohan, isn't training because like I mentioned previously, this takes place after Kid Buu
It can't take place after kid buu's defeat because both goku and vegeta are dead in this movie. Plus the scene of vegeta vanishing forever is further proof of that. Not to mention years later in the dbs broly movie, both goku and vegeta have no experience of ever using fusion. Also while not canon to the main timeline, xenoverse 2 has shown that buu saga vegeta is enough to vaporize 2nd form janemba.
I always considered this movie a what if gotenks or gohan killed majin/super buu because there is no mention of good buu just goku going ssj3 against him
Just FYI Xeno Goku/Vegeta from SDBH lived through the events of Tree of Might, Lord Slug, Frieza saga, Cell saga, Fusion Reborn and GT. Just a little fun fact
It can happen after the buu saga and it pretty much implies that it does, the only thing is that the events of the buu saga have to be partially changed. With it mostly being Mystic Gohan defeating super buu as the most plausible change to the main story for this movie to actually make sense
Wait a second, didn't goku go back to other world after Vegeta dies? So if they're both in other world at the same time, couldn't the movie have taken place while buu was being a normal civilian with Mr. Satan until that guy shot his dog? Wasn't he just chilling for like two days?
@@N7spongy But that doesn't stop everything in between those moments. Goku wasn't even really present wen Gohan was swinging that sword around for hours
@@theboldone1961 No I mean Gohan didnt return to earth between Buu's revival and him unlocking his potential, so he wouldn't have been able to fight the dead on Earth.
It can't be canon because it's statistically impossible for the geo-political landscape of DBZ's world to result in the ascension of power of a man like Hitler, much less have him look identical, implying that Germany exists there as it did in the real world during that time in DBZ's setting. Yes, this is a joke lol. I always loved how it's the most Dragon Ball thing ever to have 2 childen who are 7 and 8 years old defeat Hitler's Germany. Its no different than Goku defeating the Red Ribbon Army, but the joke and achievement is amplified by the rediculous inclusion of an important real-world character as the villain.
What if it’s just a universe where the majin buu saga ends earlier when Vegeta died it actually worked. Goku tells the boys of the fusion dance leaves and that’s it. Then like two years later it happens.
Fusion reborn is a alternate timeline where they are both goku and vegeta are both dead and goten and trunks know the fusion dance and gohan should be doing training
This movie doesn't even work with itself. Everyone who are in hell (Frieza, Vegeta) had their spirits cleansed by the machine and their memories erased from what Piccolo told Vegeta before the latter died. When the machine breaks ALL of the cleansed evil became Janamba. That means Vegeta and Frieza shouldn't even be in the movie. It's not cannon and doesn't fit into the show anyways so this movie is irrelevant.
This couldn’t happen for numerous reasons Vegeta didn’t die in the buu sAge, until after he blew up fat buu, which ultimately failed. And he didn’t know goku had ssj3 until he showed it off to buu. This movie would only make sense if it only happened with Goku and the other world instead of it affecting the living world. Then you can easily see this was before he came back to earth to see goten for the first time and compete in the tournament with vegeta still being alive and the buu saga playing out normally just no gogeta and make goku aware of jenembas emotional weakness
There could be 2 possible outcomes! 1: Goku could’ve defeated fat buu in his super saiyan 3 form 2: gotenks could’ve defeated super buu Thus leaving goku and vegeta dead
The B story's animation was so horrendous I can't believe that it made it into the movie. The outlines of the characters are so thick it just looks like a kid put it together.
This cant happen because Vegeta sees Goku in this movie as a Super Saiyan 3 and isnt pissed about it. And in the canon, Vegeta gets back to Earth with a halo and is pissed at Goku for holding back the Super Saiyan 3
Majin Buu has already been defeated. Goku even says this in the movie, that he's impressed Janemba is the only other enemy of his besides Majin Buu that can fight him at SSJ3. This video isn't factual for this very reason. This movie still can't happen either way because Gogeta is born in the newest Dragon Ball Super movie with Broly. The fact that his name is invented in Dragon Ball Super and yet they form Gogeta in Fusion Reborn upsets me so much.
@Captain Rupertikjakmos goku would not have fought fat buu just to face another opponent just as strong before getting rid of buu all together. That sounds highly unlikely. Plus, I'm a huge dbz fan and the newest dragon ball super broly movie is one of if not my favorite dragon ball movie ever. The reviews from the critics and audience on rotten tomatoes says it all so that keeps the biased part out.
Once again this could also happen they don't need to be dead for some extremely evil energy to escape otherworld an make it's way to earth infected someone evil turning them into janemba an he could still gave the same abilities maybe have it to where since the energy came from the otherworld it can't mix with our world so they're are mixing an coming together then you just scale janemba to be God level maybe the evil energy is old god of destruction ki an like pikkon Goku can get a day pass which would allow him to help even add the Gotenks an Hitler part alot of these movies can still happen
Fusion Reborn probably took place in an Alternative Timeline where...
1) Gotenks kills Fat Buu before he is able to split into the other versions of himself.
2) Gohan doesn’t pull the Z Sword or turn Mystic due to Fat Buu not being a threat anymore so Gohan goes back to being the Great Saiyaman.
3) Goku’s time runs out on Earth and he goes back to Other World like he did in the original timeline.
4) All of the other events before Gotenks killed Fat Buu still happened like it did in the original timeline (Vegeta’s sacrifice, Majiin Vegeta, World Tournament, SSJ Gohan, etc)
or when mystic Gohan killed Buu and everything went back to normal
@@XxInfinityxXTimer yh I like this one it makes more sense
@@XxInfinityxXTimer yh I like this one it makes more sense
Goku could of killed buu
@@rhodasmall4676 nah but then there was no incentive for gotten and trunks to fuse, and so the fusion would not happen
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Fusion reborn could take place in a timeline where gohan defeated Super Buu.
I wanted to say that time in otherwrld could take place slower then in the regular world and when goku went back to the otherworld and vegeta had died already but the dumb stuff happening on earth is why it cant be but other wise yea sure l.
@Dian doubt it
@@koltensmith3974 Goku literally says “Majin Buu was the first to push him this far”.
@@SenatorArmstrong2018 and fusion reborn obviously takes place in an alternate timeline so whats your point?
@@koltensmith3974 If Fusion Reborn were in the timeline, then it would take place after his fight with Buu but before the birth of Evil Buu.
We can just pretend the hitler part wasn’t canon... right?
Yes we can
Well, technically the whole movie isn't cannon.
@@ofekk213 it's a movie not a cannon. I wouldn't mix those things up
The scream is really good.
Akira Toriyama confirmed many moons ago in several interviews when he told viewers the movies weren't canon only for years later to explain it was a fib and the movies have always been canon and are now relegated to "What if" scenarios just like the Marvel comic books.
Wish this was cannon.
if it was canon vegeta would never come back to life nor goku or we could see dbs nor ui and mui and vegito etc
Well atleast Gogeta is canon.
+Dragon Ball University I think Wrath of the Dragon can happen man. Even though it's still a Toei film, you gotta give the film its love. It's the only film to take place after the Buu Saga had ended. There is some inconsistent with it, but hey, it was a great movie.
All I can say is... thanks Beerus :) the Finale would have been much harder without you.
@@DragonBallUniversity your welcome, and don't call me Beerus.
Plus, I wish the Dragon Fist was re-canon by Toriyama in Super in 2019, that move is a beast of a technique.
Also, Dragon Fist Explosion was a real thing in Japan.
Yup, I agree with your points about the film.
With this movie and the Dragon Ball Z movies in general, I always imagined them taking place in alternate timelines. This movie for instance feels like a what if Gotenks defeated Majin Buu and Vegeta stayed dead.
it has been confirmed that most movies take place in another timeline
@Dian Um, no it didn't. That couldn't happen because Hercule wouldn't be in the city if it was the case.
Not to mention that Gohan was still training in Supreme Kai's world.
Jenemba ruled. This movie was awesome.
Thanks for not making a 40 min video on this, legend!
Fusion reborn can't happen because it got fused with DBZ Broly to create DBS: Broly. To much dismay, the only thing lost was Janemba. F in the chat.
Technically it can because super and gt are different timelines
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THANK YOU! A friend told me to watch this vidro and now I know I'm not the ONLY one who knows these movies never happened... but as a what if... maybe...
It also can't happen because Vegeta doesn't know how to do fusion in the broly movie, but I know this video came out before then.
@Captain Rupertikjakmos
You CLEARLY haven't seen the masterpiece that is the Broly movie
He could have forgotten how to do it.
“You mean we have to do those stupid dances!?”
@@kingofthe_humanz8285 Or maybe seen trunks and goten do it a lot.
Fuck super
In this timeline it’s simple, Ultimate Gohan simply won!! He defeated Super Buu, and goku and vegeta simply had no reason to be resurrected
Drip Drop no gotenks won and defeated fat buu......for that we didnt see things like ultimate gohan
@@u_nova_ we did, ultimate was his base form
No it doesn’t, fusion reborn takes place after Vegetas sacrifice and right before Goku is on kais planet and Gohan goes to fight Buu
@@dwad8710 Because Fusion Reborn is supposed to take place before that
@@dwad8710 Well what we do know is that Fusion Reborn is after Gokus time limit on earth ran out and Vegeta did his final explosion, and before Goku is sent to the Kai planet as well as before Vegeta gets his body taken away (we see his soul get sent elsewhere in the end of Fusion Reborn)
Its just some hours in between vegita's sacrifice and gokus final fight with kid buu
This movie couldve been part of the Buu Arc could've happened while Gohan fighting Buu if Goku wasnt with Shin
Damn the movies are pretty much an alternative timeline in the main canon setting. Is really messed up
i love how shin says hes trying to stop buu from being born but he lets spopovich and yamu take gohan's energy by paralising him😂😂😂
That energy has to be transferred. That didn't happen.
@@JoseQuintanilla88 Yes it did.
Fusion Reborn should be a canon " if Gohan could not appear as Saiyaman together with Videl, Gotenks and Trucks fighting the living dead, He should be training a sword in Kai's World, during that time", it can be fit in the story timeline after the Goku taught Goten and Trunks with Fusion dance and escorted with baba to back to the dead world. During that time Gotenks should be fighting Majin Buu in Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
What even is death dragon ball
A joke to everyone who isn't already dead, or Android 16.
Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 actually did a Fairly good job as fitting this into the Buu saga as well by cutting Goku they made this fit in perfectly with after Vegeta died but
But….
Well For starters, there are MANY PEOPLE in that line at the otherworld check-in station and is why we don't see Buu. Fusion Reborn is canon and would take place after Kii Buu but before Goku fights Uub at the end of Z. Definitely after they made the wish of Earth's denizens to forget all of Buu's acts of evil. Gohan, isn't training because like I mentioned previously, this takes place after Kid Buu
It can't take place after kid buu's defeat because both goku and vegeta are dead in this movie. Plus the scene of vegeta vanishing forever is further proof of that.
Not to mention years later in the dbs broly movie, both goku and vegeta have no experience of ever using fusion. Also while not canon to the main timeline, xenoverse 2 has shown that buu saga vegeta is enough to vaporize 2nd form janemba.
EASILY the best english dub scream of all time!
I don't care jenimba is still my favorite movie villian
What's the background music? It's great
so idk if you’re still looking for the background theme but it’s this ua-cam.com/video/MxbTA90gI2k/v-deo.html
Watch it happen
I like your vids simply logic from what is
what's the Song at 3:02?
Still waiting
Some of these issues seem easy enough to fix, but eh, unless a new type of dragonball comes back, guess it doesn't matter.
Would've been cool if Janemba were the evolved form of Dabura
All I took from this was "Fusion Reborn can't happen, because Hitler happened."
I always considered this movie a what if gotenks or gohan killed majin/super buu because there is no mention of good buu just goku going ssj3 against him
Fusion reborn could take place after a year after buu
There are definitely some ways that it could fit, but Vegeta and Goku being dead solidly places it during Buu.
@@DragonBallUniversity where is Goku stated to be dead? He's just fighting in a Tournament in Otherworld.
@@jamainegardner4193 Goku has a halo on his head during the whole movie.
@@DragonBallUniversity no they dont
@@jamainegardner4193 You can only get to Otherworld if you’re dead.
Just FYI Xeno Goku/Vegeta from SDBH lived through the events of Tree of Might, Lord Slug, Frieza saga, Cell saga, Fusion Reborn and GT. Just a little fun fact
Video in Short Cut :- Majin Buu isn't a Problem which means this can't happen
Krillin: "My iPod!!!"
Whats the name of the OST at the beginning of the video?
Can anyone explain to me why the movie can't just happen after the buu saga?
Because where is Majin buu ?
It can happen after the buu saga and it pretty much implies that it does, the only thing is that the events of the buu saga have to be partially changed. With it mostly being Mystic Gohan defeating super buu as the most plausible change to the main story for this movie to actually make sense
Both Goku and Vegeta are dead, that’s why.
what’s the song 1:59?
Wait a second, didn't goku go back to other world after Vegeta dies? So if they're both in other world at the same time, couldn't the movie have taken place while buu was being a normal civilian with Mr. Satan until that guy shot his dog? Wasn't he just chilling for like two days?
yeah but at that time Gohan was training in other world
@@N7spongy But that doesn't stop everything in between those moments. Goku wasn't even really present wen Gohan was swinging that sword around for hours
@@theboldone1961 No I mean Gohan didnt return to earth between Buu's revival and him unlocking his potential, so he wouldn't have been able to fight the dead on Earth.
The new sparking zero game had so much potential to open a new what if branch for gohan to defeat super buu creating the fusion reborn timeline :/
It can't be canon because it's statistically impossible for the geo-political landscape of DBZ's world to result in the ascension of power of a man like Hitler, much less have him look identical, implying that Germany exists there as it did in the real world during that time in DBZ's setting.
Yes, this is a joke lol. I always loved how it's the most Dragon Ball thing ever to have 2 childen who are 7 and 8 years old defeat Hitler's Germany. Its no different than Goku defeating the Red Ribbon Army, but the joke and achievement is amplified by the rediculous inclusion of an important real-world character as the villain.
What if it’s just a universe where the majin buu saga ends earlier when Vegeta died it actually worked. Goku tells the boys of the fusion dance leaves and that’s it. Then like two years later it happens.
New sub
What if the movies take place in the gt timeline .
Well this aged pretty well
Fusion reborn is a alternate timeline where they are both goku and vegeta are both dead and goten and trunks know the fusion dance and gohan should be doing training
This movie doesn't even work with itself. Everyone who are in hell (Frieza, Vegeta) had their spirits cleansed by the machine and their memories erased from what Piccolo told Vegeta before the latter died. When the machine breaks ALL of the cleansed evil became Janamba. That means Vegeta and Frieza shouldn't even be in the movie. It's not cannon and doesn't fit into the show anyways so this movie is irrelevant.
If Gotham defeated Buu
This couldn’t happen for numerous reasons Vegeta didn’t die in the buu sAge, until after he blew up fat buu, which ultimately failed. And he didn’t know goku had ssj3 until he showed it off to buu. This movie would only make sense if it only happened with Goku and the other world instead of it affecting the living world. Then you can easily see this was before he came back to earth to see goten for the first time and compete in the tournament with vegeta still being alive and the buu saga playing out normally just no gogeta and make goku aware of jenembas emotional weakness
write more about what if. was janemba Canon part1
Was
1:35 well that's ironic haha I wonder if you did that on purpose
In the movie doesn't Goku mention kid buu
It has the same issue the bio broly movie has....where is majin buu and why krillin aint a stone statue is beyond me
There could be 2 possible outcomes!
1: Goku could’ve defeated fat buu in his super saiyan 3 form
2: gotenks could’ve defeated super buu
Thus leaving goku and vegeta dead
Year later gogetas cannon
The B story's animation was so horrendous I can't believe that it made it into the movie. The outlines of the characters are so thick it just looks like a kid put it together.
Gogeta forgot name in super
eyyy shout out to Buu's Fury...
they don't make em like they used to...
You didn't say her name right dude
It's baeteen
They could make fusion reborn just change the story
Fusion Reborn may be non canon but Janemba was pretty cool
This cant happen because Vegeta sees Goku in this movie as a Super Saiyan 3 and isnt pissed about it. And in the canon, Vegeta gets back to Earth with a halo and is pissed at Goku for holding back the Super Saiyan 3
It cannot bcuz wasn't ginyu in it? And if ginyu is dead super would not happen so thats why it cannot happen
and the new borly movie cements this as not cannon
Or it could of just happened in a universe were goku and vegetable die when they beat buu
Buu isn’t in it because he was defeated
Why whatever tarble movie name is... Can't happen
Why is everyone ignoring the fact that Pikkon isn’t canon
The stuff on earth ruined the movie for me.
Goat reborn *
Huhm...
Fusion reborn is another timeline when gotenks kills kid buu.. so fusion reborn is CAN NOT be canon or just NOT canon
Nah it can
It could happen video is cap 🤡🤫
Majin Buu has already been defeated. Goku even says this in the movie, that he's impressed Janemba is the only other enemy of his besides Majin Buu that can fight him at SSJ3. This video isn't factual for this very reason. This movie still can't happen either way because Gogeta is born in the newest Dragon Ball Super movie with Broly. The fact that his name is invented in Dragon Ball Super and yet they form Gogeta in Fusion Reborn upsets me so much.
Captain Rupertikjakmos “no one cares about that shitty new movie”
Ion know man it seemed pretty good to me
@Captain Rupertikjakmos goku would not have fought fat buu just to face another opponent just as strong before getting rid of buu all together. That sounds highly unlikely. Plus, I'm a huge dbz fan and the newest dragon ball super broly movie is one of if not my favorite dragon ball movie ever. The reviews from the critics and audience on rotten tomatoes says it all so that keeps the biased part out.
Captain Rupertikjakmos the movie made 4 billion in Japan alone, pretty sure some people cared?
Captain Rupertikjakmos “mE nOt LiKe pOpUlaR tHiNg, mE tHiNk i CoOlEr dEn EvErYbOdY eLsE”
Super and gt are different timelines so gogeta can exist within the dbz timeline
Once again this could also happen they don't need to be dead for some extremely evil energy to escape otherworld an make it's way to earth infected someone evil turning them into janemba an he could still gave the same abilities maybe have it to where since the energy came from the otherworld it can't mix with our world so they're are mixing an coming together then you just scale janemba to be God level maybe the evil energy is old god of destruction ki an like pikkon Goku can get a day pass which would allow him to help even add the Gotenks an Hitler part alot of these movies can still happen
I thought it was common knowledge that no DBZ movie fits into the actual cannon, they're more what if scenarios.
Bruh gogeta is canon
A Gogeta is canon
@@DragonBallUniversity then why would you say fusion reborn "can't" happen
Are you saying you WANT Hitler to be canon?
@@DragonBallUniversity wtf😨😨😨
@@ori0n810 well in the broly movie vegeta didn’t know how to do the fusion dance