How fast can you get an Ice type in EVERY Pokemon Game?
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- Today, we are embracing the winter season by finding out if those chilly ice type pokemon are as rare as their reputation claims!
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0:40 Red/Blue/Yellow
3:18 Gold/Silver/Crystal
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16:23 X/Y
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Update: A few have caught that you don't actually need surf to make it to fisherman Tully (can go through the mountain). This does mean that time is faster than expected, however I don't believe it changes anything. We already covered the optimal path for that which requires the abra strat and playing with DST settings like we covered in the eevee video if you are interested in learning more though. ;)
Thanks so much for watching and supporting as always! Really would love to hear what you thought about the updates I made to keep the catching challenge as fresh as I could and what you would like to see next! 😊
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and glaceon in should and shiled as well as in legends arceus?
You forgot one important detail there - Lapras can be the fastest one only on Fridays. Making this score invalid for most people, who picked other days. And even if it is chance based - Smoochum is still the fastest Pokemom you can, but may not be lucky enough to get. In my opinion making both of them the fastest option in their own way. One requiring time coordination other save manipulation.
I don't understand why Lapras is the fastest if you can hatch a Smoochum faster than acquiring a Lapras? Yes, it's only 1 or 2 chances at a hatch within ~1hr 10min, but you are looking for "fastest" and not "almost as fast but more consistent," right? Or was this less of a routing exercise and more of a one-time experiment/challenge to see how fast you could obtain an Ice type, even though you know of theoretically faster ones that just didn't pan out during your attempt(s)?
@@av2279 Lapras is likely faster because, on average, you'll have gotten Lapras before you have spent an equal amount of time save-scumming for the Odd Egg to be Smoochum; it was mentioned you only had about 2 resets worth of time (if not just 2 hatches) before you'd just be faster getting lapras, and as you only have ~16% shot each time, which means you'll only have about a 40% shot to have gotten it by the time you've done 3 hatches of the egg. It's also why the suggestion for people wanting to reproduce themselves was to grab the egg on the way to the lapras, so you can just go "well, I'm done early" if you get smoochum, and continue on for lapras if not.
@@DrakonLameth I understood all that. I was confused about whether or not the video was a personal one-attempt challenge, or whether it was answering the hypothetical "which is the fastest one a player can get." After watching more videos I see these are their personal results after trying each game once and getting what they get, regardless of whether or not it would have been the fastest someone could theoretically get. In other words, in another scenario they may have ended up with the actual fastest Pokemon, which would be Smoochum, but in this run they did not get lucky and caught Lapras instead, making it their personal winner.
But by that token, you are not "done early" if you get Smoochum, since Smoochum is the actual goal. It's more of "you are doing the backup" by going to get Lapras, if not.
spheal was in this video, it may have been for 2 seconds, but therefore I love this video.
MOOP, THANK YOU!!!! Why are they so dang cute???? :,)
I’m subed
They are so spherical
Spheal = opinion validated
Yes, spheal is a ball of wholesomeness far too cute for our mortal realm
Platinum: Has snow in its starting town.
Also Platinum: First ice-type is on the other side of the region
Somehow the only penguin pokemon isn't ice water
@@ljpal18 Eiscue exists
@@ljpal18be thankful Empoleon is Water Steel, its an excellent type compared to Ice + anything.
@@mintycookies1327 that is only ice though
I sort of hate Platinum for tricking us into thinking they would give us early Ice type Pokemon. They were so proud of having snow in the game, and they even gave the MC a winter themed outfit. Too bad no ice types were actually around till Snowpoint.
Truth be told, Sinnoh is one of the worst balanced regions in the game. You have 2 fire types (The only one worth a fuck is the starter, which basically means you HAVE to choose Chimchar) and half the types you don't even find until the second half of the game. Gen4 has always been a disappointment considering how amazing the story and actual region is.
@@TheRealBlakersand considering how it has one of the best art styles and characters in Pokémon imo
@@TheRealBlakersPonyta/Rapidash is totally fine for a playthrough. No one is forced to chose Chimchar o.o
@@TheRealBlakers What do you mean? You can get Flying, Normal, Poison, Rock, Ground, Grass, Water, Ghost, Bug, Fighting, Steel, Psychic types before the second gym, even Dark is available at this point in Diamond. In D/P, Gible is available after the fifth gym, and second in Pt.
And yeah, 2 Fire types, but there were 16 other types to choose from. Hyper fixating on this to say the variety sucks is not representative of what the D/P dex actually did. If you hate it that much, go play Platinum.
@@gtdfg4594Also you have HMs, you don't need a fire type to use fire moves
Honestly you might be able to get a snom even earlier then cloyster in scarlet/violet because in the town with the bug gym theres a trade for a snom, you just need to catch a flabebe for it.
Yep yep, I missed that one despite scanning the in game trades in my research. My partner will not let me live this down since they snom is their fave 🤣
Shoutouts to XD Gale of Darkness, it has an Ice type (Spheal) available WAY earlier in the game compared to pretty much every other game. Plus it has Swinub, Snorunt, Seel, and Shellder all within the mid game.
Colosseum also has an early Swinub, but that's no Spheal so I think that makes XD superior.
@@Cyntaria Wouldn’t exactly call the Piloswine in Colosseum early game. I’d say it comes soon after you pass the midgame point.
Oh this was such a neat concept!! Ice is my favorite type and I’m so glad you got to showcase them at least a little
So glad you enjoyed, thanks for watching!!!
Looks like i found the 5th member of the only 5 people that like ice types (myself included)
@@unkindled6410 make that 6, ice types are awesome
weavile, lapras, articuno, vaniluxe, glaceon and many more
@@unkindled64107th Ice type fan reporting in
There’s just something so cool about (no pun intended) about them
Make that 8 fans. Even tho i try to make a diverse team, i always end up with half of my team being ice types
Love these videos! I noticed 2 things here that might be of interest:
1: The grunts blocking Mt Coronet aren't there in Diamond & Pearl, only in Platinum. As a kid I made it all the way to Snowpoint and was stuck for ages there because I never triggeres the Canalave library event. Not sure if that'd make it faster though considering D&P run slower than Platinum.
2: You could technically obtain Glaceon in Legends Arceus before ever making it to the Crimson Mirelands. I do think it would take quite a bit longer to obtain the ice stone than just doing the speedrun strats though.
Thank you and glad you are enjoying the videos! The diamond/pearl thing is so funny thank you. I love that there was a solution in the base games after trying so many things in platinum to see if it would change. 🤣
And totally agree on glaceon, it can be done but I am fairly sure it is slower than the options here (but there could be a trick I am not privy too)!
@@semaJCh Ginter starts offering specials after you defeat Kleavor and open up Crimson Mirelands. There's a small chance that he can have an Ice Stone that early; if not, he refreshes his inventory every 20 catches.
However, it's *very* RNG, and as such distortion is more reliable and faster on average.
I hate how rare and late game Ice-types tend to be. Its among my favorite types and every new generation I want to try and use a new one on my team, but 90% of the time I already have a full team by the time I even see an Ice-type and I usually don't want to give up an established team member.
Give us an early snow route with some nice ice types for once, GameFreak! It doesn't even really make sense that its always a late game environment since ice types themselves are hardly that amazing. Its not like the type is so good that it needs to be a late game type for balance reasons.
I do like that ice types are mostly mid-late game, but i wish they would at least give 1 ice type option within the 1st two gyms, then trickle the others out over time.
They don't have to start as ice types, just so long as they end as ice types like cloyster, dewgong, and glaceon.
I think adding in the number of badges needed in the end result would be good if you ever do something like this again, to show how much of the game is left to be played with the type.
This was a nice run. Ice pokemon definitely maintain their rare status
Lapras was so close to carrying the ice types as much as it carried Ash and creating another Flareon situation lol
Thanks so much Sev, always look forward to your feedback!!! That is a great point, I didn’t even realize that! 🤣🤣🤣
I wonder? Would Glaceon work for Legends Arceus? As Eevee is available in the first area of the game, and I think that you might have enough satchels to do it.
You technically can get an Ice Stone without beating Kleavor, but with satchels only spawning every 3 hours at that point in the game, it'll take about 40 hours have time to get enough points to buy an Ice Stone.
Your best bet is almost certainly catching a Sneasel in the distortions.
Maybe
Remakes probably have some different routes too. BDSP for example has smoochum available before the second gym now, instead of route 216 after gym 6
A moment of silence for semaJCh, who played through the sun and moon tutorial multiple times to bring us this video
Thank you for your understanding 🫡
this is why i like sword and shield i had a snowrunt before gym 1 it was a brand new experience for me having an early game ice type
I would not have counted Castform. If you look at his Pokédex entry, it's a Normal type. Would you count Protean Greninja ?
Protean is not a form change. And since gen 8 different forms are registered as they always should've been. So castform counts
@@olafmikoaj3121 Eh, at the same time it feels like a bit of a cop-out to count Castform. The rest of the pokemon in the video are Ice type from the start.
@@caiusdrakegaming8087 Castform is a form change, as soon as you obtain that form then it should've count as that typing. Wouldn't you count mega evolved pokemon because their base form don't meet the criteria?
@@olafmikoaj3121 That's... literally why semaJ realized Audino wouldn't count for Fairy, because only it's Mega form is Fairy. If he doesn't count Megas, why should he count other form changes?
@@caiusdrakegaming8087 Because he can't obtain the mega? If he could theoretically mega evolve Audino, then it should've count but until the form change is obtained, it doesn't count. Same would be if Castform didn't have the move hail. Then for actual Ice type he would need to set up hail in battle for castform to make the list.
In conclusion: form changes count but only as soon as they can be obtained.
In Pokemon Scarlet and Violet there is an in-game trade for a Snom (Bug/Ice) in Cortondo (The Bug Gym Town which is one of the first ones you go to) that only requires a Flebebe (Doesn't matter which flower form), is that faster or slower? or did you not know about it?
This is a great catch and I believe it would indeed be faster if it all works under our circumstances (which I imagine is the case). My partner loves snom and will be very upset with me if this is the case 🤣🤣🤣
@@semaJCh While I am sorry to put you in hot water with your partner, I'm glad I could help out and bring this to your attention 🤣
The way you approached talking about each game is really streamlined compared so some earlier videos I really like it. Happy holidays semaJ, as always I can’t wait to see what you make next!
I always appreciate the love for ice types. It's one of my favorites, and your speed running is remarkable. Well done on the research, sir.
dope video. Respect the work you must've put into planning and playing this all
Thanks so much Jackson, tried my best to keep making these fun so I am stoked people are enjoying it!
I saw this video title, thought "oh no, Sinnoh.....", and was just hoping I was misrembering the lack of early ice types 🤣
I never thought about how small a pool ice types have :0 This was informative, enjoyable, and well presented! Plus it puts me in a cozy mood. Always a pleasure to watch your content. Thanks for all your hard work! 😁
Ah thank you so much!!! That all means a ton and I really appreciate it!
Glad the videos meet all those criteria, I always hope to shoot for that! Thank you for watching as always 😊
yeah ice has always maintained the title of being the rarest type as barely any get added each generation
ive never seen your channel but this was such a good video to relax and unwind to, also ice type is my second favorite type :D
Thanks a ton, so glad you enjoyed the video and it helped with relaxing it!!! 😊
Ohh, nice. Glad to see a properly ice type item in December. All we've gotten is cold rain lol
Thanks for watching as always, hope it was fun to see some snow! ;D
It's very rare that a youtube video has me watch the entire way through especially a longer one. You did a incredibly good job! +1 sub
Thanks so much for the support flashfire!
Your videos are awesome! And it's great seeing the Ice type get some recognition.
I am pretty sure you dont need surf to reach the water stone guy in crystal. You just go through Mt. Mortar to reach him. Dont know if that potentiality would make Cloyster faster, but probably not with the phone call rng
Great catch, thank you! This certainly would make things closer, but my guess is the same as yours that lapras is still faster.
You can skip the phone rng by resetting DST at your mom which requires using abra from the gamecorner to speed things up (covered in the eeveelutions video), but it would be interesting to see how much closer that all makes things!
Thanks for watching as always!!!
Wow you put a lot of thought and research into this
It's possible that using Tepig is slightly faster for Black. The main reason Lilipup is used over it is that Emboar has the slowest tier of entry animation while Stoutland is in the middle tier. Pignote is also in the middle tier while Herdoer is in the fastest entry tier, but the difference isn't as significant (probably). The route would be pretty close to each other in time, but It may be enough to push Black 3 minutes faster, ahead of Red. PulseEffects has a video on this topic
I don't believe you need Surf to reach Mahogany - you just have to bumble around in the dark.
Fun fact about my first time playing Crystal on the 3DS. I successfully hunted Shiny Tyrogue on the Odd Egg and carried all the way as a Hitmonchan to Mt Silver to defeat Red. Just in the route south of Golden Rod, close to where you get the Odd Egg, I found a Shiny Hoothoot.
Although it's summer in Australia, much appreciated video. Interesting how Ice is so unusual to the point like, so few Pokemon fall into it.
Great challenge!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed Weiss! :)
Notable that the Gen I Cloyster route requires fly from Surge's gym, which, while a requirement to finish the game, can be skipped if you're simply b-lining it for access to an Ice-type.
An icy semaJ video for the frosty winter weather?? Christmas really did come early 🥹 Amazing video as always. One of the best creators on UA-cam hands down 😘
PLZ!!! THANK YOU BEACHRAT! You have supported the channel so much and it always means a ton! Can't wait to finish the roses story for you! ;)
I love that this is a super precise speed running video that is awesome and great effort. I even would have been satisfied with a less detailed version of the video so thanks for putting in the awesome effort, this is great.
Edit: Oh its a speedrunning channel, dope
Game Freak did Ice type dirty. It's my favorite type too...
Fingers crossed we get an ice-type starter one day.
I would love to see more of these kinds of videos more often, like once a week. These videos are cool.
Thanks so much for the support, and glad you enjoyed!!
Wonderful video I do think that for Scarlet and Violet the faster ice type is a trade for a Snom in Cortondo, just needs a Flebebe.
I'm hoping that one day, you'll try and catch a Dragon type as fast as possible in every Pokemon game. Dragon is one of my two favorite Pokemon types along with Fire. It may not be easy since you get a Dragon type this late in the main story but I'd like to see someone attempt this.
yeah since dragons for a long time are almost exclusively late game in most titles
Can't you get a dragon type in X and y before the second gym, either with the fossil or Axel
I'd also be interested to see this done with fire with excluding the fire starter..fire feels pretty elusive in some of the games so it would be fun to watch! Honestly I'd love this for almost any type. This is a really neat concept.
@@bulborb8756except for hgss (and likely gsc) where the game corner sells a dratini and it doesn’t take forever to grind coins with solid luck
@@4wheal Bagon
I would love to have a region having an earlier snowy area. Ice types are always so late game but i feel like it would be interesting to have them be available in early game, which could give way to more early evolving ice types as well
In BDSP you can catch a snorunt or smoochum in the underground once you get the kit in Eterna City
Amazing Video, love your content
Thanks so much for the support!!!!
I'd love to see these types of challenges in the GameCube Pokémon games as well! It would absolutely improve chances of Spheal.
As one of my favorite types, it’s crazy how late Ice types are in most games.
What is the latest catchable type in each game? It wouldnt surprise me if ice was the answer in most
I'd say probably Ice
Love this series. Always fun to consider availabilities.
Thanks so much, glad to hear you have been enjoying it!
my favorite pokemon is the ice type sneasel! i am glad to see ice types getting love!
I could feel your pain for Gen 4, lol.
Anyway, good video as always. It really is surprising how most Ice types obtainable are the classics from Gen 1.
Right?!🤣 I was surprised too!! Thanks for watching all the support Gordon, always glad to see your comments!
Oh neat. I was considering doing this research myself one day. Nice.
This channel is great I love these analyses
Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed!
Did I hear the tower of heaven soundtrack at the end of platinum? You are a person of class!
I was lucky to find a Snorunt early in Galar with the same technique being able to finally use a Froslass for the majority of the game was such a treat
This is an amazing video. We need one for physic type
And then for Chemistry type, followed by Biology type.
@@hundredLeech so poison and grass XD
Time to save this for when it actually snows
I've caught Shellder behind Nemona's house.
It's exceedingly rare, and you have to rely on the Shellder even getting close enough, but You can absolutely catch it.
There's a spot in the furthest back portion of her back yard. Think of if you're trying to get to the spot where you meet the bike lizard, that little cove, from Nemona's beach. The beach shrinks to a narrow strip on the East end, and if you edge to the furthest point of it, pokemon spawn in like Finizen and Shellder and Wattrel.
You get access to mid game mons and mid to low lvl10s as soon as you go through the catching tutorial.
Nearly 15K subs man. Nice!
We crossed it today! Thank you for the support!!! 😊
@@semaJCh hell yeah.
I personally wouldn’t consider Castform as it’s a battle specific form that requires a specific move. Of course it comes with said move but still, it’s a very specific choice.
0:30 people in the southern hemisphere: summer
I REALLY wish the next Pokémon Generation revolves around Antarctica with Ice Types having the limelight for once.
Enjoyed the updates!
The moment that we get a start that gains the Ice type, it'd be a matter of how much grinding is needed.
Same thing with a regional small mammal that similar to Bibarel and Diggersby, gains the ice type upon evolving or a regional bird that gains/swaps out Normal for Ice upon evolving
“With winter drawing near,” he says, the day before Christmas. Winter is ALREADY HERE. Lol.
Temporary types shouldnt count. Spheal was robbed.
Yeah. It feels weird to say you have an ice type when, if it's not in battle with hail/snow, it's shown on screen as normal.
How fast can you catch dragon types in every gen?
4:47 You actually don't need Surf to get over to Mahogany and that fisherman, since you can go through Mt. Mortar. You can do the same in HGSS, but it would definitely be faster to get a Water Stone from the Pokeathlon in those games.
Great video! Only criticism is that we didn’t get to hear the beautiful Driftveil music when it was on screen
Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed! LOL I was legit planning on using that too, but I had too much fun using accumula, I couldn't help myself. XD
I could've sworn in B2W2 you could encounter an ice type pokemon on the very first route during the Winter Season
Ice is always the last box I get when I do a new playthrough (I organize my boxes by type and the order of the type matches the order I get a pokemon primarily of that type, except for flying where Normal/Flying goes into flying main, 'cause there's too much normal types)
Fun fact, I'm making a snom shaped backpack while watching this video ^^
That’s amazing, best of luck!!!
This is pedantic, but you can actually reach Tully without surf by walking through Mt. Mortar. But I'm sure Lapras is still much faster since you have to wait for his phone call
Thanks for catching this and watching! 😊
It’s funny as this became potentially necessary during my research for the next video in the series! 😎
Cutting out the previously explained speed run routes was really nice. As a reoccurring viewer it made the viewing experience much nicer not having a bunch of repetitive "I took the helix fossil because" and "Youngster Joey" moments.
I can understand wanting to explain the speedrun everytime aswell though. You never know when an upload is going to be the very first video for someone, but again personally I really appreciated it.
Thanks for the upload
Thanks so much for the feedback Tantei! That was extremely insightful and will help knowing for future vids! It’s also just great to hear especially from a reoccurring viewer. :)
Glad you enjoyed!!! :D
Thanks for covering this
I really don’t like that Ice types are given so late
It makes them kinda useless for the challenges ahead
I think that, if given early (early routes or caves) could make them much useful against ground, grass and flying foes
forget if it's been mentioned explicitly, but do the rules of these challenges disallow the use of external peripherals like the Pokéwalker and Dream Radar? bc if not, both of those have Smoochum in their available mons list pre-natdex, for potentially faster times in HGSS and B2W2 respectively
the vanillite line very well be my favorite ice line, honestly lol
besides maybe alolan sandshrew
Ice? So you mean the moves you teach your water Poke to slap the Dragons every game puts you up against in the late game?
I'm like 80% certain that diamond and pearl could be faster in catching an ice type, since I remember already going up to Snowpoint after the 6th badge and not encountering the Galactic grunts blocking the way.
That’s actually super interesting! I hadn’t thought to check that despite the number of tests I did for that in platinum lol!
Great catch, thank you and hope you still enjoyed!:)
I wish ice types got more love. Not just more species but also just a buff to the type interaction. I guess the new snowscape buff was really good, but it still kinda sucks to be ice type objectively speaking...
I might be wrong but in Legends Arceus you can get a Glaceon before even reaching the mirelands by purchasing an Ice Stone from Ginter if you are lucky enough or from the MP shop if you are able to get 1000 MP fast enough
Whaaa? I haven't encountered delibird or smoochum in UM! Neat.
That intro was just charming 🥰
If you got 2 red shards and 6 Blue shards you could get Thunderpunch on Infernape. But just start with a sack mon to absorb intimidate, then Punch boom Gyarados, Grass Knot Quagsire, and Punch Floatzel.
I came to this video to see if you got Swinub from the Grand Underground in BDSP, and to my disappointment, BDSP is not even in the video! smh... Anyway, I thought of it because that was the first time I had an ice type in my team before the 2nd gym. It was such a different experience since GameFreak doesn't usually let us access ice types until midway through the game.
Before this, I saw your dragon and eeveelution videos. That's a lot of dedication!
I know distortions are fastest for legends but I wish you could have done a test to see how quickly you could save up for an ice stone in that game to evolve an Eevee into glaceon if that counts
I really liked the Video (and especially the Delibirb haha). Anyway. I think Steel, Dark, Dragon or Fairy type could be a funny. No wait, scratch Dark, there's no pokemon in gen 1 that gained it later. All the others would work though.
Glad you enjoyed and appreciate hearing which types you might like to see! I love dark so that would totally be fun!
We need a ice/snow region or one with mostly ice and add lots of ice types
castform is cheating
but if it isn't, does it account for ditto? it can transform into an ice type
I agree, castform shouldn't count
You can get water stone before having surf in crystal. Just go through the cave East of 4th gym town and defeat the trainer to get the number.
In an ideal/tas run of RBY using the Any%(No Major Glitches) rules the Cloyster route might be faster than the Lapras route. Getting the Water Stone would only cost a few frames since you need to buy a Poke Doll from the same shop anyways in order to skip the Rocket Game Corner Hideout.
A video for fire Pokemon would be great, cuz they are a LOT less abundant than water and grass types which gives people a big reason to choose them in their playthrough.
Great video. But I wonder how fast can you get types like Dragon, Ghost, and maybe just for fun Bug and Flying types lol.
Haha looks like you struck gold with this type of series, though I wonder how it continues after all types are done. Legendaries? Mythicals? Pseudo-Legendaries? Tbh all of these also sound interesting to me, especially as a casual Pokemon player who doesn't really look into these things at all and just plays
Thanks for the support and glad you enjoy the series! :)
It's been a lot of fun and personally I have been surprised how much there has been to dig into as well. Those are certainly some of the ideas being thrown around and myself + the community have come up with some other fun ones that I am looking forward to testing out this year. ;)
After sitting in last on the Eevee video, I was sort of hoping Glaceon would have been an option; ice stones being late hamper the later couple gens for it, and the ice rock in gen 4 is... ... the next route after you got the wild ice type >.
Wonderful video :)
I do wonder if the Snom trade in Cortondo is faster. You can get a Flabebe just outside Cortondo and trade it for a snom in the city. But I have no idea if the trade even exists before the ride legend.
i dunno counting castform is almost like counting ditto transforming there both only temporary.
A Dragon-type version of this kind of video would be interesting, considering how many dragon pseudos are there
Or… you could go through Mt. Mortar to reach the other side of Route 42
You’d think if Ice was going to stay a late game type it’d actually be above average. But it outclasses normal for the title of worst defensive type, and if you want to use an ice type move you’d just use a water typr
I hate to break it to you… but scarlet and violet are first since you can join a raid for ice types, and there are raids in the shiny community for any star level for ice types, this means after you get raids… you got ice types… that’s me under the assumption that you can do raids before the legendary ride mon cut scene