All of the above. This report also highlights another reason why Lake Meade is so important and that tearing down the dam as suggested by some would be counterproductive.
Always excellent videos, informative and fact filled. All avenues of producing potable safe water for all the cities can be done at the same time; sewage water treatment, desalinization and additional storage for flood waters. This is a renewable resource just like solar and wind. Thanks again Mojo...
I think that reusing treated sewer water is necessary. We have had systems around LA for decades to use treated sewer water for watering plants along roads and on golf courses. They have signs saying that people should not drink the water. It would take the next stage of advanced water treatment to make it safe for drinking, but that makes more sense than desalination and treating sea water as desalination requires huge amounts of energy. By the way, the Los Angeles area also gets a lot of water from the California Aqueduct, in addition to Owens Valley and the Colorado River.
Good info, thank you for watching and leaving a comment! Los Angeles. In southern Nevada it seems all the golf courses and most vanity grass is using reclaimed water now also. Definitely a good thing! In my opinion living in the southwest should be like off-grid living. You live with the water that's there, and you never use the water just once. It's always 2, 3, maybe 4 times before it's returned to the ground. No water... no more sprawl. Only time will tell now if we are able to out-engineer nature!.
This is a very ingenious idea. Unfortunately it will be for naught if and when Lake Mead and the Hoover Dam goes dead pool. Look it up for more information.
In addition to public skepticism, well earned considering government at every level in this country isn’t the slightest bit interested in serving the public, rather they are captured by whatever special interest can steal the most public money… With that in mind, trusting them to not cut corners at the expensive public safety and health is not something most would embrace.
It is odd in CA they allow mega-corps like Nestle to drain & export their natural resources but the public must drink recycled greywater because the water situation is so dire. Priorities...
To follow up. Might I use your full name on this quote? "The desal plant there sounds like the same problems here also. By the time anything is approved, funded, and built... the service area has outgrown the solution and is outdated." (Here would be Los Vegas?) I'm finishing up a Water Watch editorial and the city of Rosarito is talking desal again after the other one went into litagation 10 years ago. Humanity likes to avoid reality. We all need toilets and most toilets need water. But it did get people's attention, now what would be their intention? To learn how to conserve? HA. Drought and lack are the only thing that forces conservation. Your new work will pay off in the future for sure. What is coming is going to need many clear heads and voices. You are one. In my way of thinking, there is a perfect set up for civil war. Wise ones for decades knew this was coming. So did we. UA-cam will always give us plenty of deniers. But those living in reality will benifit. Keep on keeping on!
Of course Martina! Thank you for asking👍 You're welcome to use anything we discuss here. Most important thing to me is that the information gets passed around. In regards to Las Vegas I'll tell you... we seem to be a bit ahead of the water reclamation curve, but we are falling behind in many other areas due to the uncontrolled growth. I think the "institutional cash buyer" problem is a bigger issue here in Las Vegas than even the water supply at this point in time. All we hear is promises of "more affordable housing" and "more inventory", but the growth won't stop and it seems NONE of it is affordable. Infrastructure has been neglected. We're having power outages right now like L.A. due to the excess usage by all the new homes. City leaders ignore the residents and cater towards outside interests, drawing in an elite rich new tax base. Locals and long time residents can't afford rent or to purchase and are becoming homeless by the week. Meanwhile, city leaders and developers work in cahoots to sell ENTIRE BRAND NEW developments to "homes for rent" corporations who can then price fix entire neighbourhoods and lock out more middle class locals. Then you get into the rabbit hole of water usage rates and excess usage fees and all that. Locals really feel like this is leading towards "Water World" where the "have's" get the clean, pure water, and the "have-not's" grovel in the mud bog together. The people and families who literally made Las Vegas from the 50's on are being replaced. I know I got off track, but desal seems to be a bigger focus in California and in Baja also where apparently it is much needed. I can see that becoming a big issue leading up to 2026. Even with the water situation worked out though, we can see from Las Vegas that different issues are right behind it. More water = more people = more problems.
@@mojo.adventures Wonderful, but for some reason I don't have you given name. I've sited you as Mojo to direct people to your channel. But for this would like your first and last if you will.
@@bodhimartina6985 Well that one went right over my head...🤦 Yes I see what you are asking now. My bad, I was in a hurry to reply and went off topic. I'll send you an email to the address we were chatting at before.
Except that it's not. The output is cleaner than normal tap water and discharged into a body of water. Detractors are who give it this name. It's a great solution that backwards thinking people are simply afraid of because it's beyond their abilities to simply learn how it works.
Yeah me too... I'm sure the city would rather it be called "advanced purification to tap" but I can see why people are upset. I guess you could say in Vegas we drink "bodies, barrels, and boats to tap" from Lake Mead then 😂
We could deal with poo by aeolian process. Blast media made of sand or walnut shell can be used to move and aerobically digest human dump, toilet paper, and wee. It would be performed in a slight vacuum to prevent dust from escape. The material can be plumbed into a bucket where it is further mineralized (composted) aerobically. Aerobic digestion is better on the atmosphere because of methane production stops on-site, instead of miles away to the nearest treatment facility. My house has a crawlspace, so easy fix. Think dry septic system, same lawn fertilizer, only enough water to make it digest on its own. They sell sand blasters for things like automotive restoration, paint removal, etc. I know that this sound like a riff on a popular old joke, that the 'third world' laughs at us for how we use our water. But, aerobic digestion is largely what water-treatment is doing. Showers, laundry still would need treatment, but, it would be less involved if we used less water (flushing) and made less sludge.
Very cool, thank you for sharing all that. Doesn't sound so far-fetched to me at all. I'll definitely be looking more into that👍 I'm not very educated on this topic so I am wondering where all the "solids" go after they are filtered. It's fine to reclaim the water, but you still have to deal with the "waste" part...
@@mojo.adventures Sludge is a problem because of heavy metals, and pharmaceuticals. However, septic systems retain solids on-site, I'm suggesting a variation on a septic system (moist, not flooded), done below the soil's frost-line, moved by compressed air and soil instead of water.
Forgive me, but this is my industry and focus, and this video is problematic. The Orange County Water District (OCWD) Groundwater Replenishment System (GWRS) is currently the world's largest advanced water purification facility (AWPF), with a capacity of 130 million gallons per day-enough to take all of the tertiary treated wastewater in OC. Indirect potable reuse (IPR) - Reuse in which water is discharged into an environmental buffer before treatment - has been actively occurring in OC since the full operation of the Water Factory 21 in April 1975. Water Factory 21 literally resulted in standardizing dimensions for reverse osmosis membranes. Water reuse and the advancements of new technologies and methods to secure a more sustainable and resilient water portfolio have always been actively pursued. The term "toilet-to-tap" (detested by many in the water industry) first appeared around 1993 when arguing against a San Gabriel reuse project. AWPFs produce water, so clean minerals need to be added back into it before it could be considered drinkable. This treated water, in the case of IPR, is put back into groundwater or a surface water source ( water that is not as clean as the treated water). Water is then withdrawn from the environmental source and treated using conventional drinking water methods. With regards to direct potable reuse (DPR), the main concern is that recycled water skips the environmental buffer and makes its way back to the conventional water treatment plant within hours, not days to months like IPR. Don't forget the reality of de facto water reuse, which has no AWPF - like the LV wash. The Standards and regulations currently passed are because there needs to be a target to design and build to. There is a great hesitancy in spending hundreds of millions on a plant that may or may not be built to the standards of a regulation that is later introduced. While California's IPR DPR standards may be strict, they give certainty for many projects to move forward and meet the need that has always been present. Projects such as Water Factory 21 and OCWD GWRS have existed before the standards and have been essential in demonstrating the capabilities of such facilities. As for your discussion on the use of different water resources, all of those resources are being pursued simultaneously. They all have merit in building a sustainable and resilient water portfolio - it comes down to a local water agency's cost-benefit analysis for what they want. www.ocwd.com/gwrs/about-gwrs/ www.cwea.org/news/whats-the-origin-of-toilet-to-tap/ www.cwea.org/news/the-orange-county-water-district-water-factory-21-the-legacy-remains/ www.lvwash.org/assets/pdf/resources-lvwcamp-ch1.pdf
First off, thanks for taking the time to write out that comment with all that good info. Glad you shared all that because many other viewers learn from the comments just like we do. We're by all means layman at this, and UA-cam is just a hobby. It's always good to hear from professionals or those with actual working knowledge of the water situation. In regards to the new AWPF, I think LA Sanitation was only trying to point out that the Donald C Tillman one is currently one of the biggest reclamation projects being built *right now*. Not the biggest of "all-time" or "in all of California". I have not heard of the AWPF or groundwater replenishment going on in the Orange County Water District. I will definitely look into that now so thank you for sharing. The video here was only meant to highlight what you describe as "DPR" or direct potable reuse, which is at the heart of the new regulations. I like how you said it "the main concern is that recycled water skips the environmental buffer". Being in Las Vegas I definitely see the benefits to a reclamation loop and I think that every southwest city (or any with a water resource problem) should be looking into. This is not a bad thing. Despite the title, around here we are just presenting the information for the viewer to look into. That's why I'm glad you took the time to write out the comment and share some links with actual data. We have a lot of other videos on the water situation if you're interested... our focus is mainly on the Colorado River Basin and it's users. Situation is too complex for layman like us. Learning a lot along the way though! 👍
All of the above. This report also highlights another reason why Lake Meade is so important and that tearing down the dam as suggested by some would be counterproductive.
Always excellent videos, informative and fact filled. All avenues of producing potable safe water for all the cities can be done at the same time; sewage water treatment, desalinization and additional storage for flood waters. This is a renewable resource just like solar and wind. Thanks again Mojo...
It would be great to reform the water used for agriculture in California so they would drastically reduce their consumption first!
I think that reusing treated sewer water is necessary. We have had systems around LA for decades to use treated sewer water for watering plants along roads and on golf courses. They have signs saying that people should not drink the water. It would take the next stage of advanced water treatment to make it safe for drinking, but that makes more sense than desalination and treating sea water as desalination requires huge amounts of energy.
By the way, the Los Angeles area also gets a lot of water from the California Aqueduct, in addition to Owens Valley and the Colorado River.
Good info, thank you for watching and leaving a comment! Los Angeles. In southern Nevada it seems all the golf courses and most vanity grass is using reclaimed water now also. Definitely a good thing! In my opinion living in the southwest should be like off-grid living. You live with the water that's there, and you never use the water just once. It's always 2, 3, maybe 4 times before it's returned to the ground. No water... no more sprawl. Only time will tell now if we are able to out-engineer nature!.
This is a very ingenious idea. Unfortunately it will be for naught if and when Lake Mead and the Hoover Dam goes dead pool. Look it up for more information.
In addition to public skepticism, well earned considering government at every level in this country isn’t the slightest bit interested in serving the public, rather they are captured by whatever special interest can steal the most public money… With that in mind, trusting them to not cut corners at the expensive public safety and health is not something most would embrace.
It is odd in CA they allow mega-corps like Nestle to drain & export their natural resources but the public must drink recycled greywater because the water situation is so dire. Priorities...
To follow up. Might I use your full name on this quote?
"The desal plant there sounds like the same problems here also. By the time anything is approved, funded, and built... the service area has outgrown the solution and is outdated." (Here would be Los Vegas?)
I'm finishing up a Water Watch editorial and the city of Rosarito is talking desal again after the other one went into litagation 10 years ago.
Humanity likes to avoid reality. We all need toilets and most toilets need water. But it did get people's attention, now what would be their intention? To learn how to conserve? HA. Drought and lack are the only thing that forces conservation.
Your new work will pay off in the future for sure. What is coming is going to need many clear heads and voices. You are one. In my way of thinking, there is a perfect set up for civil war. Wise ones for decades knew this was coming. So did we. UA-cam will always give us plenty of deniers. But those living in reality will benifit. Keep on keeping on!
Of course Martina! Thank you for asking👍 You're welcome to use anything we discuss here. Most important thing to me is that the information gets passed around. In regards to Las Vegas I'll tell you... we seem to be a bit ahead of the water reclamation curve, but we are falling behind in many other areas due to the uncontrolled growth. I think the "institutional cash buyer" problem is a bigger issue here in Las Vegas than even the water supply at this point in time. All we hear is promises of "more affordable housing" and "more inventory", but the growth won't stop and it seems NONE of it is affordable. Infrastructure has been neglected. We're having power outages right now like L.A. due to the excess usage by all the new homes. City leaders ignore the residents and cater towards outside interests, drawing in an elite rich new tax base. Locals and long time residents can't afford rent or to purchase and are becoming homeless by the week. Meanwhile, city leaders and developers work in cahoots to sell ENTIRE BRAND NEW developments to "homes for rent" corporations who can then price fix entire neighbourhoods and lock out more middle class locals. Then you get into the rabbit hole of water usage rates and excess usage fees and all that. Locals really feel like this is leading towards "Water World" where the "have's" get the clean, pure water, and the "have-not's" grovel in the mud bog together. The people and families who literally made Las Vegas from the 50's on are being replaced.
I know I got off track, but desal seems to be a bigger focus in California and in Baja also where apparently it is much needed. I can see that becoming a big issue leading up to 2026. Even with the water situation worked out though, we can see from Las Vegas that different issues are right behind it. More water = more people = more problems.
@@mojo.adventures Wonderful, but for some reason I don't have you given name. I've sited you as Mojo to direct people to your channel. But for this would like your first and last if you will.
@@bodhimartina6985 Well that one went right over my head...🤦 Yes I see what you are asking now. My bad, I was in a hurry to reply and went off topic. I'll send you an email to the address we were chatting at before.
The O in Potable is a hard sound, just like the O in Mo Jo Adventures.
Would I drink it? When I go out to eat in Vegas I ask for a glass of Lake Mead, so yes. 😅😅
Funny stuff 😂 A glass of the finest stagnant Colorado River water! We do get our own share of flak after the barrels and bodies stuff...
@@mojo.adventures well, more minerals and all natural then right? 🤣🤣
Hi guys ❤ I can see why people could be hesitant when it's called toilet to tap. 🤔😲
Except that it's not.
The output is cleaner than normal tap water and discharged into a body of water.
Detractors are who give it this name.
It's a great solution that backwards thinking people are simply afraid of because it's beyond their abilities to simply learn how it works.
Yeah me too... I'm sure the city would rather it be called "advanced purification to tap" but I can see why people are upset. I guess you could say in Vegas we drink "bodies, barrels, and boats to tap" from Lake Mead then 😂
@@mojo.adventures 🤣🤣
We could deal with poo by aeolian process. Blast media made of sand or walnut shell can be used to move and aerobically digest human dump, toilet paper, and wee. It would be performed in a slight vacuum to prevent dust from escape. The material can be plumbed into a bucket where it is further mineralized (composted) aerobically. Aerobic digestion is better on the atmosphere because of methane production stops on-site, instead of miles away to the nearest treatment facility. My house has a crawlspace, so easy fix. Think dry septic system, same lawn fertilizer, only enough water to make it digest on its own. They sell sand blasters for things like automotive restoration, paint removal, etc.
I know that this sound like a riff on a popular old joke, that the 'third world' laughs at us for how we use our water. But, aerobic digestion is largely what water-treatment is doing. Showers, laundry still would need treatment, but, it would be less involved if we used less water (flushing) and made less sludge.
Very cool, thank you for sharing all that. Doesn't sound so far-fetched to me at all. I'll definitely be looking more into that👍 I'm not very educated on this topic so I am wondering where all the "solids" go after they are filtered. It's fine to reclaim the water, but you still have to deal with the "waste" part...
@@mojo.adventures Sludge is a problem because of heavy metals, and pharmaceuticals. However, septic systems retain solids on-site, I'm suggesting a variation on a septic system (moist, not flooded), done below the soil's frost-line, moved by compressed air and soil instead of water.
Forgive me, but this is my industry and focus, and this video is problematic. The Orange County Water District (OCWD) Groundwater Replenishment System (GWRS) is currently the world's largest advanced water purification facility (AWPF), with a capacity of 130 million gallons per day-enough to take all of the tertiary treated wastewater in OC. Indirect potable reuse (IPR) - Reuse in which water is discharged into an environmental buffer before treatment - has been actively occurring in OC since the full operation of the Water Factory 21 in April 1975. Water Factory 21 literally resulted in standardizing dimensions for reverse osmosis membranes. Water reuse and the advancements of new technologies and methods to secure a more sustainable and resilient water portfolio have always been actively pursued. The term "toilet-to-tap" (detested by many in the water industry) first appeared around 1993 when arguing against a San Gabriel reuse project.
AWPFs produce water, so clean minerals need to be added back into it before it could be considered drinkable. This treated water, in the case of IPR, is put back into groundwater or a surface water source ( water that is not as clean as the treated water). Water is then withdrawn from the environmental source and treated using conventional drinking water methods. With regards to direct potable reuse (DPR), the main concern is that recycled water skips the environmental buffer and makes its way back to the conventional water treatment plant within hours, not days to months like IPR. Don't forget the reality of de facto water reuse, which has no AWPF - like the LV wash.
The Standards and regulations currently passed are because there needs to be a target to design and build to. There is a great hesitancy in spending hundreds of millions on a plant that may or may not be built to the standards of a regulation that is later introduced. While California's IPR DPR standards may be strict, they give certainty for many projects to move forward and meet the need that has always been present. Projects such as Water Factory 21 and OCWD GWRS have existed before the standards and have been essential in demonstrating the capabilities of such facilities.
As for your discussion on the use of different water resources, all of those resources are being pursued simultaneously. They all have merit in building a sustainable and resilient water portfolio - it comes down to a local water agency's cost-benefit analysis for what they want.
www.ocwd.com/gwrs/about-gwrs/
www.cwea.org/news/whats-the-origin-of-toilet-to-tap/
www.cwea.org/news/the-orange-county-water-district-water-factory-21-the-legacy-remains/
www.lvwash.org/assets/pdf/resources-lvwcamp-ch1.pdf
First off, thanks for taking the time to write out that comment with all that good info. Glad you shared all that because many other viewers learn from the comments just like we do. We're by all means layman at this, and UA-cam is just a hobby. It's always good to hear from professionals or those with actual working knowledge of the water situation.
In regards to the new AWPF, I think LA Sanitation was only trying to point out that the Donald C Tillman one is currently one of the biggest reclamation projects being built *right now*. Not the biggest of "all-time" or "in all of California". I have not heard of the AWPF or groundwater replenishment going on in the Orange County Water District. I will definitely look into that now so thank you for sharing.
The video here was only meant to highlight what you describe as "DPR" or direct potable reuse, which is at the heart of the new regulations. I like how you said it "the main concern is that recycled water skips the environmental buffer". Being in Las Vegas I definitely see the benefits to a reclamation loop and I think that every southwest city (or any with a water resource problem) should be looking into. This is not a bad thing. Despite the title, around here we are just presenting the information for the viewer to look into. That's why I'm glad you took the time to write out the comment and share some links with actual data.
We have a lot of other videos on the water situation if you're interested... our focus is mainly on the Colorado River Basin and it's users. Situation is too complex for layman like us. Learning a lot along the way though! 👍
Disgusting