Why Do Harley Riders Hate This?
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Maybe keep Your eyes on the road instead of playing with a screen.
My truck has a warning that comes up that says do not use this system while driving and it requires me to hit the ok button to clear the message. It is an allegory of what the world is becoming
Came here for this comment
This comment really affected hedgeshot. Also the rider wearing a helmet and a t-shirt.
Turn the settings on/off to your liking and forget it. Stop fidgeting with shit while riding.
Perfectly said
The problem is that if you are an experienced rider, having your motorcycle intervene for you will actually mess you up. If you are a new rider and you learn and depend on these aids, when they INVARIABLY FAIL (and yes, just look at all the issues with the 2024 Road Glides), you will be SOL.
Came here to say this, at least the first part about experiences riders being at a disadvantage when the bike trys to “think” for itself
So I agree. I had a 99/2000 Honda Super Blackbird CBR1100 with CBS ( combine breaking system ) . It was the world's fastest production motorcycle at the time. So Mr Honda decided if a newbie got out of control and hit the front brakes some of the rear would also come on ( like a 70/30 split in breaking force ) to keep the motorcycle in line and not get out of shape . Now I'm no Valentino rossi BUT after 47 and counting years in the saddle I want my front and rear to work Independently of one another. Example, if I went into a corner at speed just before the bend and tryed to scrub off some speed the bike would SIT UP and want to continue straight. 😵💫 See Honda didn't take into account people like me might actually push the bikes limits and this happened to me on a couple of occasions. So much so I took the plumbing sorry system off and Reverted back to independent front and rear brakes. 🤙😎🇬🇧🇺🇸
I know three semi professional motorcycle riders and they like the newer features.
@@derfskittlers6125 guess that’s why they’re semi pro 🤷🏼♂️🤣
@@derfskittlers6125you very well might, but not all experienced riders like them. I about went down because my ABS went haywire, so I deleted it. Just get back to the bare bones.
Watching the bike screen while riding.
JUST LIKE ALL THOSE
MINIVANS.
Just what I was thinking
Silverados, F series, Ram, etc etc etc
You should have feel to ride if you need that stuff you shouldn't be riding
Skinny jeans' bike has AIDS! 😂
@@steveshafer4351 Agreed! Thats why no one should buy a junk wagon Harley, those are for middle aged squids.
Sounds a lot like the features on modern semi trucks. They activate randomly and can screw you
Dudes talking about glorified ABS, not some random lane assist or automated braking stuff
I hate those brakes. If the road is wet or icy and the truck locks up the brakes. You no longer have control of the truck
@@johnwebster76 y’all never heard of abs?
Exactly👍!!
@@TrolloTVabs only keeps your brakes from seizing up after being applied by YOU. This technology basically is trying to decide what your course of action will be without YOUR input, ie you come into a corner IT deems too fast and it kicks on, regardless of YOUR intentions.
I prefer old bikes that require skill to ride them
Less people dying means more people spending money. It’s a simple yet disgusting business model. 🤷🏼♂️
I prefer old farts who STFU lol
@@jareddahlseid551 sounds like some democratic bullshit that isn't going to work as usual.
Funny how these features have had zero affect on death rates
Yeah, its just some BS to justify you spending more money. A gimmick if you will. A well tuned older bike is what I like as well.even cars , that have all these gadgets, jet when it breaks down its going to crush my pocket book. I just want to know the time, I dont want to know how to build a clock.
If you want safety, get a car. This sounds mean, but no matter what safety gadgets you put on a two-wheeled, one-track vehicle, it remains a health hazard. The only gadget which should control this thing has to be you. If you are not fit enough, if you are a daredevil, you should not be on this thing. Period.
I agree. I'm sure they could have a feature that drives it for us, which then begs the question, what's the point of riding? To me the whole point of riding and satisfaction one receives, is that YOU are the one taming the beast.
@ SandraOrtmann1976, Ah, where do You get the idea that a two wheeled Vehicle like a Motorcycle is only a one track vehicle? is it because they only have 2 wheels in a configeration of one directly behind the other? I'm a Motorcyclist with over 47 & a half years of riding experience which also includes11 & a half of those years as a Volunteer Motorcycle Instructor in that time so I'd like to pass on a little concept to You that We also used to teach in our Motorcycle Safety courses, this is something that not many People, including Motorcyclists, think about, until it's pointed out to them, even experienced Motorcyclists who have been riding for years, Ok, lets get into it, Ya see the front wheel is'nt a fixed object, it can be turned left & right as well as straight ahead & also be turned to full lock on both the left & right sides of the Bike so when the Bike goes around a bend in the road or turns a corner, it's not like a Car where the back wheels automattically follow the same track as the front wheels, on a Motorcycle, because of the lean angle of the Bike, the back wheel follows a track of it's own, which is to the outside of the front wheel whether the Bike is turning left or right, this concept is called outtracking because of the position of the back wheel when cornering, the only time it follows the same line as the front wheel is when the Bike is being ridden in a straight line so when a Motorcyclist goes around a bend or a corner, if He, or She, thinks about where the back wheel is in relation to the front wheel it makes for a much smoother manouver in the turn so the next time that You're behind a Motorcyclist & they take a bend or a corner, take a look at where their back wheel is in relation to where their front wheel is & You should be able to see that the back wheel is taking a wider track to the outside of where the front wheel is, I hope that this helps.
I work at a dealer so I ride a ton of different bikes.. I also daily an older Harley (2015) in every possible weather condition short of snow unless it starts snowing when I'm out.. my current bike has ABS, which has never once activated even while doing some emergency braking because someone cut me off.. I've owned multiple older bikes and they've never had ABS or traction control.. I spent quite a bit of time practicing hard braking.. spent more time practicing controlling the bike if the back tire locks up.. put me in just about any situation and I'll brake just up to the point of locking them up without actually locking them up.. the only exception was the one time I got stuck riding in snow.. I actually locked up the rear brakes once but it was fine because I had practiced for it.. Ill take my years of experience over some computer any day of the week
I disagree bc in any population there will be the top 50% and bottom 50% of skilled riders. Being able to turn off these "assists" is the real issue.
@rohandhanota9944anything stability or traction control will wreck you if you know how to drive and ride. Learn that from an earth age with the screwy “traction control” on my 02 mustang. If you got that car sideway at speed and had not turn traction control off, prior, it was absolutely GOING to mess you up bad.
The problem is when this bike is a few year old and this goes bad it ruins the bike. And parts probably wont be available. Its a complexity we really don't need.
That's what the millennials have been saying about all Harley's for years have no technology ,. We want technology .. we can't ride without technology.. well you can't say that now can you .. Harley's got high technology your millennial education will never be able to figure out .. but you y gens still say Harley's are like tractors , another common mistake , as John Deere tractors are tuned and monitored from outer space with a John Deere satellite in tidal lock with the rotation of earth so it's constantly right over your head watching everything you try to do to "their tractor" and if you try and turn up the smoke screw on the diesel pump your John deere will give you 30 seconds to put your modification back to stock the John Deere satellite will shut your tractor forever so it will never start up again until you pay John Deere to type into your ECU the correct codes so it will run again and at the same time your warranty is completely canceled on this $250,000 buck rig forever ..so you might as well find yourself a different hobby cause you will never afford farming again ,,, and it's coming boys and girls thanks to all you millennials who keep crying for more tech-no-lo-gyeeeeee wize walley why won't our new bike start up ? I don't know bev you didn't do any thing to it did you bev ? All I done was install an S&S air filter and a set of those S&S thunder pipes ! That's it then bev we might as well go buy a new bike rather than pay a $100 million bucks to have this one to restart ... Hey walley let's shoot down the sat with that big gun Eddie hasçle's got ...
Won't work bev...why not walley ? Eddie's gone bev along with the gun the house And his bike all that left of Eddie is a big hole in the ground ... Seems the sats shoot back.... DAAAD don't bother him bev dad lost his car today . They are coming tomorrow to take dad to a FEMA camp to be executed ...it's going to be a Red Dawn in the morning
..we got to find the woverens or we'er dog meant pal
You're severally overestimating the complexity of an ABS system, and ignoring that a vehicle with an inoperable ABS system functions the same as a vehicle that never had an ABS system (unless your definition of "ruin" is an indicator light being on).
Considering liter bikes have been using this tech for over a decade and its still easily available and those bikes still work like a dream, this is just false. If you know anything about it, its really not that advanced. The systems are actually pretty simple.
@@jvillain9946 yes like the traction control on an Africa twin shorts out the ignition coil that caused me to almost get hit head on when I tried to pass a car
@@ricomock2 this is not about ABS thats been on Harley since 2008. This is the new system for 2024 C-TCS
One of the rider aids is it will retard your speed in a corner if it senses too much speed. That will put you into oncoming traffic on a two lane road. As you slow, you pull into the corner as opposed to too much speed pushing you out. I want to be in control. Build your skills and don't rely on technology.
I must be going def dumb and blind... Did i just now read a millennial comment that said don't rely on technology... Why oh why could you not of said that 6 or 8 years ago . If you change the looks of your turn signals and he's aftermarket that are not the same ohms resistance as the stock Harley turn signals that are ugly I bought the electrical and the mechanical Harley ginuwine service manuals just to read and see what I thought it was and lo and behold they use the same electrical system based on the Ford Cobra your computer reads the impedance of the entire literal system have you seen anything you get back at 8 pages of electrical code failures that screws around with the ECU and eventually shuts down the whole f****** bike and this s*** started about 2018 on my brand new fxdrs 114 big inches Milwaukee 8 and just running like a top if I had left it alone I'd still have it but no I have to customize it and fix everything that's not broke with no idea what I've done to the electoral system while I was doing it and this thing starts blowing off warning lights oil light came on it changes the computer settings to s***and nowadays when you buy a new Harley the dealership has no more power or choice as to how to tune your bikeAir Force to hook it onto a master computer that's hooked to the phone line that talks to Milwaukee directly and putting the dealership no matter how many skills and years they have of working on Harleys they have no more say so about it than you do and whatever the goddamn computer says hook to the telephone lines that's what the dealer is required to do to your butt they have no say so over it only artificial intelligence does hooked up to the most technical technology of technologist assholes there is in the world thanks to you millennials saying Harley no technology Harley no technology tractor tractor no technology no technology Harley no technology well I got the technology now and you can step up your assholes
Now you want Harley's that you actually have to know how to ride all by yourself... Waiting for around 10 years all you millennials complained Harleys have no technology no technology they need technology no technology technology no technology well you got the f****** s*** now don't you is the loaded down with technology will hardly run and you can hardly steer it and hardly stay alive on the son of a b****so since you started it you're going to have to b**** for about 10 more years to get it off of there as you already know Harley's pretty slow at doing anything technical.... And now you know the reasons why there's that away don't you... So now you shit in your own nest laying it
That's not how they work, they don't care how fast you take the corner. They monitor the difference in speed between the wheels. The equipment uses that information to discourage the back end from outrunning the front end so far that it's likely for the rider to end up in an unrecoverable situation.
In all reality, as long as the system is setup correctly, the rider should never notice it is there unless they do something really dumb and is later trying to figure out how they managed to maintain control. Skill has nothing to do with it, humans don't have the reaction time to do what modern stability control systems do
Snatch Front brake leaning in a corner said no one ever
Yes, and if you did, ABS isn't going to save you.
Not even a little
🤣 only those that have been down
Well actually if ur going into a curve u don't want to hit back break cause it will spin out if u hit it to aggressive
Trail-breaking ever heard of it ? You might want to look it up just saying
Lmao that screen is laggy like a 2000s bootleg China iPad.
it's because of the gloves..
The problem is computer-controlled shit and people that can't ride
No, its survivor bias. And most of harleys cant ride anyway, so traction control wont even intervene in their riding style, only save lives
Most of the Harley riders are against wearing helmets.
Exactly. Learn how to ride!
@@leodoingthings1706 Spot on! 😂😂😂😂😂
@@capncaptain1594 The best helmet in the world protects your head only for the FIRST impact... after that, you have a bucket on your head and chances are you will hit more than once when you crash.
I don't hate them but they are more things that can go wrong that can't easily be fixed with basic tools. It's another trip to the dealership that's going to cost an arm and a leg
Exactly, making it something to avoid regardless of it's effectiveness if your trying to be frugal, and bicycles are so damn expensive at the bike shop to get them worked on as well so I avoid hydraulic and go for mechanical, have a shot at monkeying with it, then again there's UA-cam vids to aid, I generally dread the bicycle shop, off topic but shows ide really dread this
This is the only decent argument against these systems that I've seen on this video. The systems are getting so convoluted you might as well just replace something when it breaks. Sucks.
This is the real point
yes exactly, you wont be working on your own brakes etc .. but then again any douch that would spend 40g's on a bike likely cant screw in a lightbulb without calling an electrician anyway ..
@@hometownhooligan6100 I also don't trust the company to not change the code without telling you or start charging you a subscription fee if you want to continue using your bike.
Too many riders think they know how to ride, but haven’t actually practiced or studied the necessary techniques.
I wonder how many of these rider aids will help them u-turn without falling over?
@@fredmercury1314 if you cant make a u turn on a US road you should stop riding. Either you or your bike shouldnt be on the road
The worst scenario, when the electronics fail and you can't ride at all. Stay carbureted my friends🤙
What is the chance of fuel injection failing?
@@marceltheseal100%. On long enough timeline, everything stops working.
@@JackelinHydeeven carburetor?
😂😂 This gotta be satirical.
You battle it out with sitting fuel, the temperature, whatever your fussy carbs are mad about and I'll be over here having myself a time
If you respect your carburator your csrburator respects you
Lmao. It's so you can pay 50K for a turd bike instead of 30K. 😂😂😂
you just wish you had one
@@imapiledriver2462 I have an H2.
@@Randy-rd9zblame bike.😂
@@mr.b3168 ah. I'll sell it and get turd bike.
@@Randy-rd9zb you already have the turd
Sounds like somebody’s mommy chased him around with a sippy cup
4yrs. with a binkie
If you know how to ride, these features will kill you.
Uhm, no that’s a pretty uninformed statement actually
@@SEEKANDDESTROY717 thats lived experience.
Yup. Been riding over 50 years.
Learn to ride by riding hard in the dirt. Develop your reactions and feel. Human brain is way better than that stupid computer..
Absolute true statement. Just like traction control on a car or truck, I disable it, because when you know how to drive in wet or dry conditions, traction control WILL get you killed.
@@619dunnerhow are you saying that it these features killed you?
Because they take away from the riding experience and actually can cause an issue to experienced riders that don't want a stupid computer doing the thinking and input for them
For most riders it won't take away from the riding experience.
How often are people maintaining the little slide coming out of corners, or intentionally doing rolling burnouts.
You won't notice it people just say that. People will eventually adopt it in mass like ABS.
This is coming from someone who has never even owned something with basic ABS, but I wouldn't mind having it and the other systems. Just customize them if you're experienced and sharp.
Let's be honest. Too many Harley riders can't even stop and start without looking like a duck. They need all the help possible.
Do you ride ????
I agree and I ride everyday. Sunny and 70 deg weather turns into amateur hour around here. 😅
@@jimmywall7325…. one of them ducks must be this guy!
If you know how to ride, these bandaids will actually be more dangerous than having raw inputs to brake and throttle. I hate them because they are dangerous, they cause catastrophic situations, not the other way around.
If you knew how to ride these aids shouldn't even go off. Abs only pops if you lock a wheel up your overreacting
The Aussies are forced into a life and death situation of trying to stay alive .. it's law now that all street legal dirt bike come with abs that you cannot turn off .. ever try and ride an adventure bike off road even if you have 50 years of racing and trail riding ? I can tell you this you won't ride for very long ! You will be smart enough to park it right away or die . When you go down a steep dirt hill you will be at the bottom of the hill faster than no brakes at all ! On country dirt roads you will blow right through a stop sign every time .. NOT GOOD ODDS AGAINST THOSE AUSSIE TRUCK TRAINS THAT PULL THREE FULL LENGTH 60 FOOT LONG TRAILERS ALL COUPLED TOGETHER CRUISING THE OUTBACK AT AROUND 100 mph ...what they say they get back after such and impact of an abs bike blowing a stop sign on dirt that is 90% of all roads in aussie land is not something you want to see at the funeral , closed coffin for sure
@@donniebaker5984So then you buy a older bike then, right?
@@jimstenlund6017 if I packed your parachute and it failed to open I wouldn't feel very good about myself would I ? I'm not superstitious but I say why take chances when you don't have to... my 2017 Dyna, I will have to admit the ABS brakes save my ass at day pulling into the parking lot of O'REILLY'S... My life been plagued with catastrophes all caused by stupid and narcissistic friends that has cost me right close to a million bucks. But it's never been about the money... But it's taught me very valuable heartbreaking lessons. Myself called friends have all been users and cheaters and watch your parking meter.
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You better duck down the alley way
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By the big pen
Wants eleven dollar bills
You only got ten
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Face full of black soot
Talkin’ that the heat put
Plants in the bed but
The phone’s tapped anyway
Maggie says that many say
They must bust in early May
Orders from the D.A.
Look out kid
Don’t matter what you did
Walk on your tiptoes
Don’t try “No-Doz”
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Keep a clean nose
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@@donniebaker5984 ABS is a ‘double-edged sword’ but most of the time probably a good thing.
These aids are solely for beginners. I want TOTAL control of my bike…not a computer
It's a cruiser, what are you doing with it for rider aids to get in the way?
And if you were going full king of the baggers cup, theyre customizable.
Thats why you can turn them off or adjust them to your abilities or situation. Did you not know that? If you didn't that means you never even rode a bike with them and don't know what your talking about.
@@jvillain9946 apparently you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you turn them off and then wreck or damage the bike there goes your warranty and insurance claim.
I've been riding since 64 and I think it would be a nice change to add some of today's technology to my ride.
Embrace the ride, embrace new technology.
Y'all Be safe.
@@richardrappa5512 the only people that argue against having rider aids on bikes are wanna street squids that just bought their first bike and read track riders turn off abs while racing on a random reddit forum, and boomer Harley riders whos mental maturity evolves slower than the useless Harleys they ride and base their personalities around being the most "badass". The same people that refuse to wear helmets or gear because it's not "badass" enough. Any real seasoned rider that actually puts miles down both on and off track are supportive of rider aids because they understand how much safer rider aids are for street riding.
Let's be honest, Harley riders are still trying to get their head around why there is a front brake. Lol
Facts! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Considering the wheel was just being invented when most harley riders were young.
@@jvillain9946 😂😂😂😂 And HD still cant make a wheel that doesn't wobble 😂😳
That's not true it's to keep us still at the red lights waiting for a green.
I understand the concept that this could save someone who doesn’t know how to drive a motorcycle however it most definitely could cause an unpredictable situation for the driver who does understand exactly how to use breaking a inertia, the lien force, acceleration, front baking versus rear braking when the bike takes over for you. You no longer have immediate impulse response to those controls now the computer does it similar to antilock breaking when it first came out for people who knew how to drive rear wheel drive in snow it suddenly changed everything and it may have helped many people who do not know how to drive those who do most certainly lost control of their vehicles unfortunately, as much as I see the computer generative properties benefiting those who do not drive it most certainly causes a reckless situation for those who could otherwise control the machine correctly regrettably all of these advances do not help the seasoned driver, but rather inhibit them therefore it should be an automatic switch that can immediately shut those off upon request. I believe that’s available that should be the discussion.
Kinda like the new Chevy trucks, the truck will slam on the brakes if your door is open. . Super dangerous imo.
You’ve never had to get away from a buff drunk guy before?
Ridden 50 years without any of this, reckon I can manage without it for my remaining years.
@@brianmcleod4815 that’s the thing, when I was a kid I played zombie games with a controller…now as I’m getting older I notice that if I go outside .. earth is actually real life zombie land. . They have people walking down the street literally scabbing from the inside out saying things that don’t make any sense. . They’re is nothing but poop on the streets of California.. OUR California is a wasteland. This is real life. . . You grew up when the minorities knew their place. . . Well now it’s real life zombie land 🧟
@@brianmcleod4815 riding 50 years ago means something different than riding in 2024. . . Hell, even 15 years ago was different.
@@Thebrickhouse01he's not responding because you went full confederate on that first reply
@@aliasfakename2267not everybody responds. I leave comments daily and never ever check any of the replys. Hence my user name.
What’s even more crazy is to have all of these safety gadgets and ride without a helmet or protective gear on. 🤦🏽♂️
Freedom > Safety
Those who would exchange Freedom for security... derserve neither.
@@user-nn6qc2tc1v and will lose both.
Not getting 2nd and 3rd degree burns from road rash and having to get gravel chunks picked out from your skin = greater freedom.
just buy something without the features you don't like. No one's taking no freedom in here. Plenty of better bikes without those implements, and you can freely choose
😂😅 🤦
Another issue surrounding the new improved Rider Aids on new Harley-Davidsons is as follows.
Harley-Davidson is adding these AIDS to motorcycles whether you want them or not. It is no longer an option, so you're paying for add-ons which adds to the higher cost of the new bike whether you choose to use them or not.
What is developing now is those who desire the rider aids may now be required to pay added monthly fees to HD to benefit from the use of the rider aids.
it is one thing to spend $40,000 for a new motorcycle with the rider aids, and then be required to pay monthly fees to the dealership for the use of the abs system, traction control, etc.
These technological advancements (rider aids) incorporated into each new HD should be included in the purchase price of the bike for those who want them, and not require ongoing payments from the customer afterward for their use.
Harley ain't even made in America anymore. Idk why they get away with charging 40k for 20k bikes.
You're just buying the brand like it's a designer purse at this point.
And I see them selling way too many bikes with one brake caliper up front, with trash suspension, and now subscription services for rider aids.
Idk how they get away with charging yall all that, terrible company.
This is the most misinformed comment I’ve ever read on anything in my life. Rider aids are included in the cost and there’s no subscription to use them. Please ignore this comment and research this yourself.
Last thing i want my bike to have is AIDS. Aids always leasts to catatrophic situations. Aids is a catastrophic situation itself
How about design a bike that isn't a pig on wheels.
Don't take a corner at 10/10ths (or over your skill limit) so if something unexpected does come up you have time to avoid or correct.
I'm old school .. I never had one of them skill limit gages only a bunch of trophies and checkered flag
Harley Davidson. Converting gasoline to noise without the benefit of horsepower.
I'll run anyone on any bike on my puny 91 Sportster. Only have 4k invested in it total and can run low 9s.
You’re so smart thanks for the info
@@JackelinHyde
I'll run you on a bicycle and win by the 4th run as you're loading your newly acquired paperweight on the trailer.
Harleys can't make much more than 160whp without being ready to grenade, or without spending like 40k on forged everything.
Is that why people buy Honda’s and try to make them sound like Harleys?…… it’s really because they’re cheap, like their mothers!
@@ThisShitDontFlush
Aint nobody doing that. Sequential firing is fundamentally bad so the signature sound is the sound of failure.
Harley riders need all the help they can get.
I like my 87 BMW K bike…it’s reliable and responds to my inputs. Technology is always developing and I don’t doubt people will like this! I just prefer less technology on my rides.
Those are cool bikes. I want to put modern suspension and wheel set up on one to compliment its low slung engine and grumble across America for thousands of miles comfortably, with a little something extra for when the road gets fun
Some of us grew up without all of these safety features, so we actually prefer to have total control of the bike vs. the machine making decisions for us.
I've never owned a bike with electronics, but I'd gladly take some electronics.
I'm an aggressive rider though.
I get your pov too though, I own one of the last great full analog superbikes ever made, the RC8R and it's chassis and engine are genius. No software engineering can trump its mechanical genius.
And we’re over 50! 🏍💨😜👍
Some of you like to never practice basic maneuvering skills and then have accidents because your skill level is just enough to go in a straight line.
@@robertchapman6795im 25 the bike i learned on was from the 80s
The most dangerous thing is entitled college students in cars, not road conditions or corners. This is just another device that can fail. Do we really want riders paging through screens???? F-ing absurd.
Theres a lot of threats on the road as a someone who has ridden i agree when they say the person riding the motorcycle is most likely to crash alone themselves first. But if not that, theyre gonna ram into someone who pulled out infront of them into oncoming traffic because quote "i didnt see you coming" that being said, i still like motorcycles ld like to be harley ceo for a short period and fix all those mistakes they made.
if you drove 14hrs / day, you would see stupidity is available in all ages. blame the programming, screen time, and lack of parenting
Dumbing down a rider, is well… Dumb.
If a bike can’t slide, I don’t want it.
There are times sliding a tire is safe and necessary. So how do you lay the bike down into a slide. These so called safety aids are implemented by insurance companies that have zero experience in riding. It may work for cars but not motorcycles.
Risk management is not about individual situations. It's about statistics. Those times when you need to slide a tire and/or lay down a bike, you go girl. In the meantime, the insurance companies will be managing financial risk. The exact same thing you would be doing if you were collecting premiums and paying claims.
It’s not insurance it’s government that thinks you need all this.
@@Darin.Pearson so in a get off situation where a slide/some road rash is the best option the insurance company would rather pay a t-bone collision and an ejection claim for girls that piss the underpants before collision? This is safety with regard to collecting?
I know of no one except stuntmen that can put a bike down on purpose.
What happens is you grab to much brake and the bike washes out from under you. Then you tell people you had to lay it down.
@@Dave-sw2dm it’s very easy to lay a bike down on purpose. And if you grab to much brake and wash your front end out, that’s a skill issue. means you don’t know how to ride and you need to go practice.
They wanna be able to layer down and crash on purpose to avoid an accident.
It's not an accident if you do it on purpose, right ?
If you "lay it down " you crashed. The only time I ever layed it down on purpose, was to avoid smashing into another racer standing in the middle of an enduro course.
@@got2kittys I was being sarcastic, if you grab a handful of brakes you can stop a LOT sooner than just flopping over like a squid .
One time I layer down but it was okay
Technology has destroyed motorcycles 😎 we don’t ride motorcycles too be safer
That's why I ride one hand on my joystick, one hand on my liquor, ass out, helmet being used as an ashtray.
No, freaking government ruined motorcycles...
My first 1972 Honda 750 was exceptionally fast, stable and didn't have a wiring harness as big as your arm..
@@jimmywall7325a lot of stuff they made was junk but also yes you are right about some aspects of being better. The new trail 125 is better than tbr old 110s but the old ones were also better in ways. Look at the old rebels vs the new. The new are better on paper worse in person. The old sportsters are worse on paper than the new nightster snd sportster s but theyre better in person. Even with corollas. Old corollas used to be close to camrys and accords and they were even better than todays camrys and accords except the problem is theyre worn out old junkers. The people never resist so the exhuast muffler always gets bigger not smaller. They make the bikes choked up like a pig trying to breath through a soda straw. Theyre trying to force us to buy livewires and thats not the answer
I am old-school I’ve been doing this for decades. My modern motorcycle 23MT 10 has all of the aids and I love it because that means not only does it have my back but I can set it up the way I want depending on how I’d like to ride! I mean seriously who wouldn’t want to have five different levels of wheelie control alone :-) it really is quite impressive on modern ride by wire motorcycles.
I don’t necessarily disagree with the comment below mine. However, you can also turn all of the aids off if you don’t want them. Personally, from somebody who’s been riding since the early 1980s, I love the flexibility.
Also been riding for years. The idea that these aids are dangerous for experienced riders is not correct. We all make mistakes or hit a patch of reduced traction and having them can mean the difference between a butt pucker and a really bad day. Personal choice of course, but I am completely fine with it.
UA-cam trail braking
I agree, would love to own my first electronic aided bike.
Idk why people would complain unless they're trying to do rolling burnouts and wheelies, in which case shut it all off.
And if you're super sharp and competitive and it's getting in the way, turn it down and customize it. The modern racing legends all use these systems so just tailor it
It's great if you have full control over the system. I was raised ole school and was taught in the old trade of automotive engineering SAE AIME and I started to pick up the attitude and narrative of the old boys about modern electronics but I ended up in auto performance, custom and race cars, boats and bikes... Tell you what, after I got my hands on a REAL fully programmable ECU, I was an instant convert, got kicked out of the ole boys club lol.
Had a customer keep coming back asking to set the rear geometry in different ways because he said it was stepping out more than it should. I actually did geometry setups for world class motor sport for a time, so I've got a reasonable idea what I'm doing and with good explanation of the drivers experience on track I could usually nail the setup straight away, but I couldn't see the problem on this one... The third time he came back, I set it how he wanted to try next but by that time I'd gained a better picture of how he was driving and that the 500 hp was a recent upgrade from the previous lesser 200 odd from stock. So I said try that but next time you come back, bring the hand programmer for your ECU. A week later he came back, he said nothing, handed me the keys and the programmer. I put the car up and set the rear geometry back to almost where he had it originally, then plugged in and dialled up the throttle sustain. He called me a week later and exclaimed "Your a fxyzing legend!" Yep I love tech.
In all honesty my time in the game ended a decade ago and my opinion of tech appearing on bikes was sketchy but you ride, you approve so I'm guessing some bugs have gone LOL.
I built my ex wife the most incredible sleeper that had things I've still not seen anyone do 20 years later, but my point is I had to settle for 3 present configurations (The glove box opened to reveal a laptop with full telemetry and live engine condition and management mouse pad no touch screen.. over 20 yrs now bro gime a break lol) because I realised something very early in testing... remembering what options were on and what was off!!! It was an issue.
You know I really miss her, she would still be an astonishing car today!😅
I dont do wheelies at all because i want to live
These have had 0 impact on safety (at least a measurable amount)….no amount of electronics can prevent a crash once your tire loses traction …only the rider can…maybe I grew up differently but if you couldn’t stop without locking up the tire you were A BAD RIDER WHO NEEDED MORE PRACTICE. 😂
oh oh Oooopppssss Excuse my intererruption _ But can _ anybody Rider have mistake __ issue _ malfunction _ no matter the Experience
Exactly traction control nor ABS can regain traction
I switched from a street glide back to a softail.
great info
so, from one turd to another
Harley is spending all your money making junk bikes make me ceo before these dumb idiots imo
Cornering antilock braking system C-ABS does allow the biker more control stopping on a curve, but has its limitations. The old school, before and after ABS, straighten the bike, smoothly apply rear to load the front wheel and instantly the front still works when applicable. It’s always a recommended practice that both brakes are used for normal stopping, it becomes muscle memory in event of an emergency stop. You can lightly apply front as well as rear brakes in a turn to slow without C-ABS but practice. What C-ABS does not prevent the tire's total loss of traction due the size the patch of gravel, oil, sand, grass, etc. Harley’s Road Guide and Honda’s Gold Wing touring bikes with their low ground clearance have been videoed on the Tail of the Dragon, being dropped on a curve due to excessive lean, the bike’s frame hits the road, sparks fly, it lifts the bike, and tires lose traction. Most are loaded and have a pillion on board.
My dad was never a Harley guy. His best memory was a Sportster smoking tire donuts (by a mechanic) on concrete outside a heavy equiment shop, then immediately launching between the equipment. Dad was marvelled by the rider's control.
Never hit your front brake in a corner unless you have a death wish.
Practice trail breaking, the secret to using the front brake mid corner is not to surprise the tyre. If the tyre is already under load then when you need to slow down quickly the tyre is already doing its job and won't lock up if you modulate the brake properly and not grab a big handful,then you will successfully negotiate the corner.
@gerrybailey447
Yup! EXACTLY!
I can trail brake in rain,
I don't "hit" anything! Including brakes!
Smoooth!
Only an experienced rider trail breaks.
If you been riding all your life and never heard of trail breaking or don't understand it. Then sorry your not the rider you thought you was
Disagree. Two situations
1). Trail braking into a corner
2). Braking mid corner is not a death wish, unless you panic grab and lock it up.
No thanks
Even riding 90s Beemers with ABS, guys would say "I don't want the bike thinking for me" okay..... I don't like crashing because I can't think as fast as a computer
All of this is fixed by the rider paying attention 😂. I find it wierd that new age ppl cant ride without an aid that does your job for you. Skill and awareness is all thats needed. 26 years an counting, no accidents...vstar 1100, 96 virago 750, shadow 550, 2 enduros an a jixer
Harley riders can't even go the speed limit, and lazyboy needs to develop a sofa for them ro ride.
Hey,
Myself on my triglide, brother on his Ultra and other buddy on his Gold Wing . Little interstate ride, for almost 2 hours at 80, 90, and 100 mph.. That was just running with traffic...
So don't go out on a limb....
@@jimmywall7325 that's good that you kept up with traffic
@@joeaznorth
Traffic can't keep up with us...
We just decided to blend in with traffic...
Do you ride??
@jimmywall7325 yes I ride. Mostly in the dirt
@@joeaznorth
Is that from running off the road or on purpose ??? LOLOL
Polaris motorcycles are so ugly
We got a HD fanboi here..
Indian Challenger 100% winner on Safety and Performance
@@Stevel_ We got a girlyboi who got his feelings hurt with the truth...
@@HJG1964 Haha. Yeah right. I'd ride a Polaris motorcycle even if it said Polaris on the tank. They are just made better.
Your opinion...
You probably voted for biden too...
Harley Davidson was tired of all the riders "I just had to lay 'er down"
Yeah, and one of those crotchrockets never fell down or hit a car...
Sometimes she lays down all on her own
I think these aids are great and should’ve been implemented ages ago, but because these aids tend to malfunction, the basic rider who relies on them can find themselves in a deadly situation. One post said, should rely on the original skill set and I agree. Factor both in and you should be safer than those of us who had older bikes just utilizing skill. The problem also aid that most of these companies are charging extra for these rider aids.
Was on a road trip back from yellowstone and 50° with a 10% chance of rain turned into hail and snow. I was so happy for rain mode and was very glad for any help the tech was offering. It's not perfect but it made a big difference.
i have no problem with ABS or traction control. But. there are too many people that rely on them.
Here for passing your motorcycle exam. Testing is done with out ABS or traction. If you don't pass with these features turned off you fail.
My friend just got screwed up on one of these last week. Moose was on the road on a blind corner. He tried to dump the bike and slide, but the bike wouldnt let him and the bike fought to stay upright. He ended up getting bounced off the bike as it went into the ditch and broke his neck while the bike kept on putting along and was found an eighth of a mile down the way in the ditch.
Why would he try to dump the bike? Man wasn’t foiled by technology but by being an actual regard.
Obviously, you know some people haven’t gone, extensive training, slow course training, or other training routes to learn trail breaking for one which I’ve used in dirtbike racing most of my life and I use with my big touring. Harley break through the corners that way in case of emergency situation, I am already pre-breaking and going to be able to stop, one time at extreme stop scenario my bike does not have ABS and my rear tire start locking up so I started pumping the rear brake as fast as I can along with pressure on the front and I was able to stop safely from 55 mph to 0mph
Because part of riding is the skill that it takes. About you being in control. Not a bunch of safety features doing it for you. If we wanted that we’d be driving a car.
There will always be heros who say this stuff is not needed... until it is.
Its like that commercial "Do you have Racing Thoughts?" I am always like "Yeah I do have racing thoughts!" "I still miss you Dale Earnhardt!". I have way more Racing Thoughts than just that. 😅
Back in the 90's i rode to work every day. Twice the anti lock brakes saved me, once a driver made a right turn into my lane in the rain.
I would have slid under that car without anti lock
Experience would have saved you too
@@evanhandelong7685 pack it up. I have more miles than you.
The aids on the 2024 road glide is awesome. It has already saved me when I made an aggressive maneuver I had to make to avoid the car who pulled out in front of me on an active hoghway at 60 miles an hour.
For me, I grew up on dirt bikes and motorcycles that previously did not have these new “rider aids.” Through the years I’ve learned how to control a bike when drifting or sliding or jumping. Insert new technology and the bike becomes unpredictable. The systems don’t allow a natural reaction from the bike, nor help my experience in those situations. I feel less confident and comfortable when I’m reacting to the bike vs. it to me.
The essential issue is the it’s taking away from the skill building of riding. Nowadays id appreciate these luxuries that make things easier but learning how to ride without them is essential
They also hated fuel injection. They're stuck in the past
These aids are the worst for experienced riders used to older machines, makes the bike feel disconnected and unpredictable. Sure they add a safety net, but you can still break the net.
The thing that ruins the experience though is that the bike is constantly not doing what you try to make it do.
Tc and abs will make it harder to lowside the bike as a beginner, but it will not make the bike capable of magically railing a corner when you enter too fast. Just takes away the warnings you get on the previous corner when you almost went too fast.
It's just more expensive junk to go bad. More dealership repairs.
Had uhh layer down is a feature they depend on.
I feel them. Give people the option to use it or ride bare.
Another reason not to buy a motorcycle with a computer screen.
The biggest issue is a lot of people hop on the bike and barely get any training and assume because they can ride on the highway and up and down the road. They are proficient at biking. On top of the fact that the more safety aids on the bike, the more new riders are going Depend on those aids to correct bad habits they have formed that they aren’t aware are bad habits
Honestly i feel like its about time HD cought up with all the other manufactures. The sport bike world has had these features for years. You're not suppose to set it while riding. You set it before the ride so your brale assist and TC is to your liking for the terrain you're about to ride. I haven't messed with HDs set up, but the metrics is just one button to switch to rain mode. Let off the throttle, hit the button, and go. Now your TC is maxed out, engine power is reduced, and ABS is maxed. Makes it easier to control yourself during a surprise downpour.
That’s why you stand that hog up before you stop. It’ll slow down faster than you think. Hey if you’re going to wreck anyway you may as well wreck slower.
For those of us who DO know how to ride AND wrench the tech bloat is an annoyance because the bikes are already overweight and complex. (A Sportster weighs near as much as an FXR big twin of yore, and M8 swaps into the much lighter FXR chassis are common to ditch that weight. Of course new owners are wealthy enough to trade before wearing anything out so that may not pose a problem in the short term, but newer bikes are mostly wretched to wrench.
My R1200RT saved my ass when I hit sand in a corner. I'm forever grateful for technology.
buying a harley is a catastrophic problem lmao
For now
I could see anti lock brakes on the front being very helpful even as a flat tracker and sliding all the time and loosing the front wheel is the worst. As long as you have front tire control the back can kinda just do whatever, slide drift, whatever you want to call it, it’s actually weight transfer, and if used correctly will help slow you down. Remember a Harley is a 700 lbs machine minimum. We race 200 lbs twins making double the power. The extra weight is a lot harder to control than you think.
I ride to appreciate the simple things. The sound of the engine, the feel of the wind on my body, the smells of the land.. NOT to have screens, NO music, NO efi, NO abs, NO cruise control, NOT in a big hurry. Riders need to get back to the basics.
I like options. Make sure the rider makes the decision (not manufacturer, not a computer) to manually switch the help feature on or off. Key words: rider's decision, manual operation, option.
It's about being in control of your machine. I don't want a computer to tell my bike what to do. It's called clutch, throttle, brake control.
Got my motorcycle license 50 years ago,
No training, no internet, I prefer something simple, I learned to do my own maintenance, couldn't afford to pay someone else, we learned how to deal with things, it's not a race, it's a marathon,
Dont need it and dont wanna pay for it.
I personally hated any new tech that came out on bikes such as abs UNTIL I needed it. Thank GOD for the engineers! Change is inevitable, so it’s either adapt to it or get left behind!
You can’t replace experience with technology. Experience is only gonna’ come from riding, not flipping through a screen.
Yah, it helps BAD riders... BUT if you're an experienced rider, the bike wont do what it SHOULD do. Because of that REAL riders don't like a computer making changes. Interstellar comes to mind. "The only time I've ever crashed, is because a computer powered down."
Maybe I’m weird but I always thought avoiding the situations in the first place was the best way 😂 ….does nobody look where they’re going anymore? Do new riders really expect the rest of the world to cater to their needs? Look where you’re going, know that you’re invisible to EVERYONE except COPS
When I rode always found it best to keep your shoulders parallel with the horizon and looking out far ahead while allowing the bike to lean.
Ive been riding for 45 years. I want to ride because I'M riding and dont want anybody or anything else to interfere with my ride.
Riding a bike is all about alertness, expierience ability, freedom and being in the elements, if I want to be safe I play computer games or go to bed (although most people die in bed! Most dangerous place to be!? Thinker that!?)
Making bad decisions has bad consequenses and a bike is one major tool to learn that concept. Risk is part of life, is the truth.
REAL WORLD stuff, you know?
As a sports car driver, not a motorcycle guy, i can tell you exactly why harley riders dont like this. Its because its just another step towards taking driver skill out of the equation. Part of the fun of driving a sports car is honing the skill to take it right to the edge but not go over. Im sure this statement is even more true for motorcycle drivers. Ive been honing my skills behind the wheel for years. Not just daily driving but actual time consuming, skill based, practice. Anybody else who can compete dud the same thing. The only exception was people who could buy their way in with hyper cars with all the driving aids. That was fine as they were easy to spot and also if they are going spend a million dollars on a car they probably deserve some fun... But now anyone with even a small down payment and/or mediocre credit can go out and buy a hellcat that has astronomical amounts of power and all the traction aids known to man. There is no skill barrier for entry anymore. If that weren't bad enough, because there was not years of honing a craft they dont have respect for the beasts in which they ride and the sport which they mock. Thats why your seeing all these intersection take overs, people losing their lives, horrific accidents, and just outright disgusting behavior that makes me not want to be associated with car culture anymore.
This may seem like a rant and that a little traction control on a non sport bike isnt a big deal. But its a slippery slope. Once one thing is accepted, the next thing will be, then the next thing. Before you know it every teenage McDonald's worker will have a 250mph motorcycle they think they are invincible on. They will act like idiots on them. They will hurt themselves and others. They will bring shame upon all riders, even the good ones.
That’s crazy. Playing with a touch screen while riding is totally insane.
It takes away from the visceral experience. This has basically made it to where as far as I'm concerned I'll never sell my old dyna
i do it my self OLDER BIKES FOR ME ONLY
If it prevents someone from going down, I don't see a problem.
I just don't think all the bells and whistles they toss on these new bikes make them worth anywhere close to the prices they're asking. I can buy an suv cheaper with alot more options
If you’re riding right you’re gonna be ready for unforeseen circumstances
When I was looking at touring bikes with ABS, it occurred to me that I should review under what circumstances does ABS engage. In every case ABS does NOT engage if the bike is leaned into a corner, by design. ABS engaged only on straight line applications. People who pay extra for ABS tend to be more cautious; therefore, data showing ABS makes a motorcycle safer is actually an artifact of selection bias in the data. The most important motorcycle safety system is rider experience and attention.
It's one of those things, if you get it you get it, and if you don't, your not qualified to judge another man's opinion and understand that he has a right to his own opinion, just as he has the right of pride in commanding his machine through trials that a real rider will face in their time on the road. There are some things that are sacred in our control, and it has nothing to do with controlling anyone else, just our own personal freedoms that we lose more and more of every day!
The reason for objection is complex but at the same time, very simple. as I said if you get it, you get it!
What do You expect , they bought a Harley !
I used to hate the very idea of that kinda stuff when they started putting it on cars, until I rented a Cadillac DHS for a vacation with my family and some bozo in New Orleans slammed on his brakes (in a similarly equipped Lincoln Town car) and I had to use them. As I tried to fade around him, he matched every move and we both wound up in the grass well off the road. It wasn't a brake check or anything to do with me. As I pulled around him to get back on the road, I looked over and the driver had gotten out from behind the wheel and was beating the crap out of the front seat passenger while sitting on top of them.
Between the maximum braking and maneuvers if I hadn't had ABS, Traction and stability control on my car, I probably would have lost control, or maybe even rolled it. I'm a good driver, but when it hit the fan that car just did what I asked it to do, and went where I steered it.
Even so, when it comes to motorcycles, I don't want anything on it that it doesn't have to have. I'll even take off the center stand and other stuff if I don't need it. One possible exception is ABS. I've never felt like I needed it, but I can see that it might be handy in some situations. But when it comes down to it, braking on a bike is usually not as good as keeping your eyes open, speed reasonable, and always looking for a way around something, or someplace to go to avoid running into an obstacle. That is, if possible (and the rider is responsible for the possibilities) it's better to tap the brakes and dodge around something than it is to just slam on the brakes and hope you can stop before you hit it. But YMMV.
I find it weird that kids fail to see things for what they are. It's not Harley riders.....it's experienced riders with decades of riding experience who know how to ride and don't need a toolbox of nanny aids.If you're too unskilled to have complete control of a bike take lessons and become more skilled......or drive a car. I hear all the youngsters enjoy all the nanny aids in cars too ;)
While i really like these on bigger bikes. Rear abs on a lighter bike is a 50/50 high side waiting to happen.
This is like learning to ride a bicycle with training wheels, but then never taking the training wheels off.
It just makes the bikes too expensive. They already cost a lot. It costs extra to be stupid