Yes, larger intercoolers cool the intake air better BUT they also create more drop in intercooler pressure unless new and MORE efficient tubing is used for faster "hot side" intake is used. And naturally better pipes on the "cold side" is better as well.
Hey I can notice what feels like a significant power difference stock tuning and stock intercooler when the temperature drops in the winter. So in the summer no doubt it hugely pays off.
Loving the looks of your videos Brian. You've come a long way since the very first one I watched over two years ago and you've helped me make many decisions on modding my F30 335i :-)
You can say that about anything though, that’s like saying adding an intake an exhaust system doesn’t add horsepower, it just allows you to get the horsepower that’s already there from your motor because technically as long are you aren’t changing internals, you can say that for everything.
@@James_Edward59not really. The worse of an intercooler you have, the more drastically your available horsepower dissipates over the course of a drive cycle. A better intercooler gives your available horsepower more longevity (i.e., more similiar throttle response at each pull because they're more effective at keeping your IAT to a minimum). An upgraded exhaust on the other hand, for instance, can relieve a significant enough amount of backpressure such that the added horsepower it offers is fairly constant throughout the drive. It's not like the diameter of the exhaust pipe changes...whereas heat soak variability (which is what intercoolers fight) is quite real.
Wow great news. I’m heading for the dealer at this moment to upgrade my stock intercooler to a Wagner Evo II intercooler and performance downpipe. Then heading for the bench to make it roar and make hp :) Btw really really great youtube videos you do 👍👍👍 thanks. Mikael from Denmark
Trying to talk car guys into car mods is like trying to tell bros why you need this super hot model that’s also super smart......I know I need it, just keep telling me I need it until I can afford it, and her.
Please bear with the noobie question: With the bigger intercooler installed, will it causing more turbo lag and eventually will need to upgrade the turbo as well?
Just got my F30 335i and am trying to tell if it has an upgraded one or not. It appears to have a bigger one than stock and an extra cooler in front of the intercooler. Can’t tell if that’s stock or not.
So if you already have an intercooler, an aem one will upgrade by 25 hp? And how much would the hp increase if you have a turbo but no intercooler at all?
What about the extra pressure drop that you get with a larger cooler? They fit smaller intercoolers because they have a lower pressure drop, which means more boost reaches engine...
I have an F82 M4 and I've been told that an intercooler wont make much difference on my car. Do you think even an M4 will see large hp gains with an upgraded intercooler?
@@KiesMotorsports Yes, I'm aware of that when I did mine 5 years ago lol. I just don't believe it's "air tight" is all I'm saying. I just thoughts it was interesting they also didn't use over lapping rubber couplers.
Yeah, I'm asking the SAME question about my 2019 MAZDA CX 5 2.5 L. turbo . The only really good "drop-in" intercooler and pipe kit is from CORK SPORT. Spendy but excellent quality - EXCEPT the Cork Sport intercooler is PPWDER COATED black. That's proven to actually reduce the intercooler's heat exchange efficiency. And Cork Sport won't sell me an intercooler without the black powder coat! So do I buy it and then try to remove the coating?
I used to think that FMIC was not entirely necessary, but after my stock turbo failed and I was forced to go PS2, I think it is very necessary for anything above Stage 1 OTS tunes. Not running an FMIC, the intake temperature rises significantly pre-turbo, which will cause the turbo to heat up quicker, get out of efficiency, and wear bearings.
So my radiator cracked and since it cracked, I thought I might as well upgrade my radiator to (CSF Aluminum Radiator) and upgrade the intercooler too. Radiator upgrade video would be phenomenal.
Your intercooler is only as good as the max velocity of charged air it can handle , at which point the air flow equals rpm speed and creates no more torque. Hence a better intercooler can handle more flow rate while still providing torque gains i.e more power.
I think it comes down to how you look at it. I personally agree with what someone else here said, that it moreso helps to maintain your horsepwer more consistently throughout your drive cycles. The longer and harder you push your car on any given drive cycle, the hotter everything gets - an intercooler helps keep the air as cool as possible despite the heat. The better it is at cooling the air, then the more enriched your air-fuel combustion is going to be towards the end of a drive almost just as much as it was towards the start of a drive. Upgrading isn't going to magically grant you more power from the start necessarily, it's just going to mitigate the fall off.
I have a BMW F30 from Japan with a B48 Engine. I was looking to move to a bootmod3 stage 2, but I noticed my car got no factory intercooler. How can I can diy kit for this car?
I’m not Brian but I have 4 years of experience modding my E90 335i and F22 M235i. You do not need to tune the car after upgrading your intercooler (assuming you’re only upgrading the intercooler). The DME will automatically adjust. All you have to do is install the intercooler. Make 100% sure every connection is sealed. Check the intercooler to charge pipe connections (both the hot and cold side). If your cold side charge pipe is 2 pieces, double check they’re still properly connected and there’s no leak, as well as where the charge pipe connects to the throttle body. Double check your hot side charge pipe (boost pipe) to turbo connection. Lastly, I would double check there are no leaks in the intake. You don’t HAVE to do all these leak checks, but I definitely would since you’re already in there and have it taken apart. It also gives peace of mind knowing they’re not leaking. If you REALLY want to check for boost leaks you could do a smoke test. TLDR: You do not have to tune after the install.
I have a 2015 335i and I originally ran the BM3 stage 1 tune and had about 360 hp, but then upgraded the FMIC, Charge pipe, and got catted Downpipes all from evolution racewerks, and then got the stage 2 tune, but I'm still getting 360 hp and I feel no power increase and I don't know what's wrong.
@@KiesMotorsports I used the gauge in the car, I will definitely visit dyno within the next few weeks and I'll let you know what it reads. Thank you for the suggestion!
Black intercoolers are less effective than bare ones. It’s thermodynamics. Any paint will impede the ability shed its heat. That’s why they’re always silver from factory across all brands.
@@Weaselspleen75i agree with this but fact is, there's quite a few brands that insist on black intercoolers for some reason. I get the appeal of the aesthetic but give people the option I say. That said, there's likely a performance difference between black paint and black anodized.
I have a question. Why there is no power difference between winter and summer? On a hot day in traffic jam you still have thesame power as in cold winter night on a highway Bigger intercooler Don't make any censé to me if you ask. Shure I would like to believe in 15hp more whith cooler air, but fact is a fact.
![Intercoolers, and expected power gains [Measured results] Is It Worth Upgrading An Intercooler?](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/gO_DzCNE8ek/mqdefault.jpg)
Yes, larger intercoolers cool the intake air better BUT they also create more drop in intercooler pressure unless new and MORE efficient tubing is used for faster "hot side" intake is used. And naturally better pipes on the "cold side" is better as well.
It's like .05 more lag big deal
BUT more hp...
Just get charge and boost pipe upgrades too while your at it ftp works great for me
who sells an intercooler with the same dimensions but is more efficient?
Who needs an upgraded intercooler for colder air temperature when you live in Canada where the temperature is always hella cold 😅
Lol
Nahh. It's hot in the summer😂
Hey I can notice what feels like a significant power difference stock tuning and stock intercooler when the temperature drops in the winter. So in the summer no doubt it hugely pays off.
this what im thinkin bout rn hahaha
Here in Québec,summertime is hella hot bro we do need it
You completely sold this bro ! Amazing job
Nice handle
Lower temps overall on a BMW can lead to longer engine life
Loving the looks of your videos Brian. You've come a long way since the very first one I watched over two years ago and you've helped me make many decisions on modding my F30 335i :-)
Can you just upgrade the charge pipe, boost pipes, intercooler and a cold air intake without any other tune and have power gains?
That new hair style added 50+ hps. J/K Brian, it is looking good and love the video as always. Cheers!
Weight reduction 😜
This was a much needed video, as I am in the fence with buying one
Raymie Santy get one!
I went with wagner tuning for my n54 intercooler.
I would not say you gain power, it's more about not loose power under heavy loads.
You can say that about anything though, that’s like saying adding an intake an exhaust system doesn’t add horsepower, it just allows you to get the horsepower that’s already there from your motor because technically as long are you aren’t changing internals, you can say that for everything.
@@James_Edward59not really. The worse of an intercooler you have, the more drastically your available horsepower dissipates over the course of a drive cycle. A better intercooler gives your available horsepower more longevity (i.e., more similiar throttle response at each pull because they're more effective at keeping your IAT to a minimum).
An upgraded exhaust on the other hand, for instance, can relieve a significant enough amount of backpressure such that the added horsepower it offers is fairly constant throughout the drive. It's not like the diameter of the exhaust pipe changes...whereas heat soak variability (which is what intercoolers fight) is quite real.
Wow great news. I’m heading for the dealer at this moment to upgrade my stock intercooler to a Wagner Evo II intercooler and performance downpipe. Then heading for the bench to make it roar and make hp :)
Btw really really great youtube videos you do 👍👍👍 thanks. Mikael from Denmark
Trying to talk car guys into car mods is like trying to tell bros why you need this super hot model that’s also super smart......I know I need it, just keep telling me I need it until I can afford it, and her.
I may want to get rid of the plastic chargepipe too.... everyone on the forums are saying to as well hahah
Waste no time cause it sucks when it cracks. There's really no time frame on when it will go lol
Smart choice haha mine blew out of nowhere
CalvinF30 replacing the charge pipe is like doing the preventive breakage on the one we all know has a limited life. Great call
loving the additional B-Roll now! good vid bryan definitley looking into one of these
How does csf intercooler keep up against wagner intercoolers? Also do they create a bigger hp increase in petrol rather than diesel cars?
your explanations are crystal clear !
What’s better VSF, Wagner, or Evolution Racewerks intercooler? Was leaning towards VSF. Are HP gains and reliability about the same across the 3?
Great video. Keep them coming.
This was top notch.
Hi there could you please help me where to find an intercooler for bmw 320i xdrive 2017 model
These videos are so insanely helpful
Great!
Very interesting, tempted for my bmw 125d, might treat it when it gets to 100k miles
I assume this works and benefits the 320i?
Would you see similar gains on an N18 MINI? Only asking because they're owned by BMW
Please bear with the noobie question: With the bigger intercooler installed, will it causing more turbo lag and eventually will need to upgrade the turbo as well?
Great informative video!
Just got my F30 335i and am trying to tell if it has an upgraded one or not. It appears to have a bigger one than stock and an extra cooler in front of the intercooler. Can’t tell if that’s stock or not.
So if you already have an intercooler, an aem one will upgrade by 25 hp? And how much would the hp increase if you have a turbo but no intercooler at all?
Hey! You should do a video on Coding an F30 to always fold in the mirrors when you lock the car!
What about the extra pressure drop that you get with a larger cooler? They fit smaller intercoolers because they have a lower pressure drop, which means more boost reaches engine...
faster spool too
Just ordered mine and CP. KMS I’ll be installing soon.
Love your vids very helpful
I have an F82 M4 and I've been told that an intercooler wont make much difference on my car. Do you think even an M4 will see large hp gains with an upgraded intercooler?
m4's don't need an upgraded intercooler, go with intakes and you'll see a good 30 or so hp :)
M4s use water to air intake cooling not air to air like f30s
Impact on turbo lag on a stock car?
I’m in tx where it’s hot af most of the time. I think I need one.
What if you have a turbskieee chevy cruze any gaines 🧐
How much hp will it add for a n26 328i?
10-15hp
25 BHP gain on a mapped car. That’s awesome!
As in an already tuned car?
Android Auto for f series bmw (NBT id6) plzzz...
And also controllable with steering wheel's voice button.
Its straight forward to install no need for a vid. But other youtubers such as bmwdiyguy has covered it
Love the video.
Needing to get myself an intercooler now. Running a stage 2 tune on my A3 and can definitely feel the heat soak and loss of power. Kinda sucks
Same bro I literally just tuned my gli stage 2 have everything but an intercooler robs you of so much power I’m about to Order one lmao
Does it fit with no cuts? Just to take the old one out and put the new? No need to remove the bumper? No plastic cutting? Thanks
You definitely have to remove the bumper and the crash bar. But once you're underneath there then it's just swapping it out
Any suggestions on upgrading the oil cooler ?
Bro you deserve your subscribers you're doing some great s***
Nice video
I love how a "C" clamp will show "no" leakage in air..lmao. no usage of couplers at all.
There is a rubber o ring that seals the air inside the chargepipe :) the C Clamp, just holds the charge pipe on
@@KiesMotorsports Yes, I'm aware of that when I did mine 5 years ago lol. I just don't believe it's "air tight" is all I'm saying. I just thoughts it was interesting they also didn't use over lapping rubber couplers.
Yeah, I'm asking the SAME question about my 2019 MAZDA CX 5 2.5 L. turbo . The only really good "drop-in" intercooler and pipe kit is from CORK SPORT. Spendy but excellent quality - EXCEPT the Cork Sport intercooler is PPWDER COATED black. That's proven to actually reduce the intercooler's heat exchange efficiency. And Cork Sport won't sell me an intercooler without the black powder coat!
So do I buy it and then try to remove the coating?
I used to think that FMIC was not entirely necessary, but after my stock turbo failed and I was forced to go PS2, I think it is very necessary for anything above Stage 1 OTS tunes.
Not running an FMIC, the intake temperature rises significantly pre-turbo, which will cause the turbo to heat up quicker, get out of efficiency, and wear bearings.
So my radiator cracked and since it cracked, I thought I might as well upgrade my radiator to (CSF Aluminum Radiator) and upgrade the intercooler too. Radiator upgrade video would be phenomenal.
And what about bigger turbolag with bigger intercooler ?
Can to much water in a front mount intercooler flood the engine? Like a long cold air intake.
Does bigger intercooler increase the turbo lag?
i did that for my n20 f30, it dose not increase turbo lag
I want one for my 640i GC any recommendations?
And does this upgrade alter emissions? I live in cali🙄
It doesn’t altar emissions! We have some options for your car! Reach out to our team at INFO@KIES.COM and our guys will be happy to help out!
What if I put one on after the car is tuned? I already have a stage 1 remap on my 430d.
ofc it does, more turbo pressure, more exhaust gasses and fuel, more heat so need more cooling, it aint rocket science seriously.
Do I need one, no. But do I want on...yes. Did I buy one? Yes
Quick question BMW 330d or BMW 330i either will be remapped struggling to find any real answers
Does the same gains apply for the diesel engines??
It’s like me just having a nose job to allow me to breath more oxygen my cardio Is insane now haha
Your intercooler is only as good as the max velocity of charged air it can handle , at which point the air flow equals rpm speed and creates no more torque. Hence a better intercooler can handle more flow rate while still providing torque gains i.e more power.
So are you speaking of how well it's designed?
After tune , stock to performance intercooler , performance intercooler will turbo lag?
How’s this compare to the ER FMIC?
So I hear from some that it adds horsepower and some that it doesn’t what is the truth??
I think it comes down to how you look at it. I personally agree with what someone else here said, that it moreso helps to maintain your horsepwer more consistently throughout your drive cycles. The longer and harder you push your car on any given drive cycle, the hotter everything gets - an intercooler helps keep the air as cool as possible despite the heat. The better it is at cooling the air, then the more enriched your air-fuel combustion is going to be towards the end of a drive almost just as much as it was towards the start of a drive.
Upgrading isn't going to magically grant you more power from the start necessarily, it's just going to mitigate the fall off.
I have a BMW F30 from Japan with a B48 Engine. I was looking to move to a bootmod3 stage 2, but I noticed my car got no factory intercooler. How can I can diy kit for this car?
I’ve got a BMW F34, would that intercooler fit my car? Always wearying if I get the wrong parts
any update on the f30 headlights?
I should’ve got a csf, my vrsf is garbage.
Bradley Lawrence care to elaborate? I’m in the market
Yeah care to elaborate, because I just installed mine...
Does all f30 use the same intercooler? Mine is B47
celcious or Fahrenheit ? -> 40 degree means ?
What about us BMW B48/58 bois with liquid chargecoolers? Is there an upgrade?
Berserkir 79 Yes you can buy a CSF heat exchanger. It will reduce IAT significantly.
we have an upgraded heat exchanger coming to market in the next 2-3 weeks
Do you deliver to the uk
is there anything for the f31 328d?
I need a intercooler for my b46 anyone got a link for it can't seem to find one for the b46/b48
You are the bmw version of those American racing dudes for the mustangs lol
do you have a video on a F82?
i live in switzerland and i want one of these.. what can i do?
Hi Brian, do I need to tune the car at the dyno after the Inter cooler upgrade?
I’m not Brian but I have 4 years of experience modding my E90 335i and F22 M235i. You do not need to tune the car after upgrading your intercooler (assuming you’re only upgrading the intercooler). The DME will automatically adjust. All you have to do is install the intercooler. Make 100% sure every connection is sealed. Check the intercooler to charge pipe connections (both the hot and cold side). If your cold side charge pipe is 2 pieces, double check they’re still properly connected and there’s no leak, as well as where the charge pipe connects to the throttle body. Double check your hot side charge pipe (boost pipe) to turbo connection. Lastly, I would double check there are no leaks in the intake. You don’t HAVE to do all these leak checks, but I definitely would since you’re already in there and have it taken apart. It also gives peace of mind knowing they’re not leaking. If you REALLY want to check for boost leaks you could do a smoke test.
TLDR: You do not have to tune after the install.
Can I install this intercooler to my bmw 428i gran coupe?
Is there a CSF intercooler upgrade for a 2018 1.5T civic?
Does this fit on the 340i with the B58 engine?
I have a 2015 335i and I originally ran the BM3 stage 1 tune and had about 360 hp, but then upgraded the FMIC, Charge pipe, and got catted Downpipes all from evolution racewerks, and then got the stage 2 tune, but I'm still getting 360 hp and I feel no power increase and I don't know what's wrong.
Did you dyno or use the gauge in the car? The gauge isn't accurate if that's what was used
@@KiesMotorsports I used the gauge in the car, I will definitely visit dyno within the next few weeks and I'll let you know what it reads. Thank you for the suggestion!
Go catless= more power
any turbo lagging problem after?
does the color matter?
i am asking because i really love the black one.
i'm planning on getting my car blacked out all the way.
black has been proven to be more efficient
Black intercoolers are less effective than bare ones. It’s thermodynamics. Any paint will impede the ability shed its heat. That’s why they’re always silver from factory across all brands.
@@Weaselspleen75i agree with this but fact is, there's quite a few brands that insist on black intercoolers for some reason. I get the appeal of the aesthetic but give people the option I say.
That said, there's likely a performance difference between black paint and black anodized.
What’s the difference between the vrsf and the csf intercooler?
They’re both on your website.
Thanks
The CSF is higher quality 👍🏼
@@KiesMotorsports Thanks for replying.
about turbo lag Brian?
Would this be good for a 330 D
will this give a stock n20 328i 25 horse power?
Does anyone know why my check engine light came on after installing an intercool
Does it fit the 220i b48 engine?
Will this fit a F10? If no. Does any companies sell for F10?
Have you found one? Can never find mods for my f10 compared to how many there is for f30
Will it fit a 2017 bmw 320i? In search of a intercooler and only finding ones for like the 328 and stuff
320i fully built will beat anything
What's the song playing in the background?
Does it work with F34 328xi?
So if I live in Michigan do I need a intercooler ?
The high temperature is from the compressor or boost, so you will always get a higher density, lower temperature intake with an intercooler.
I have a question.
Why there is no power difference between winter and summer?
On a hot day in traffic jam you still have thesame power as in cold winter night on a highway
Bigger intercooler Don't make any censé to me if you ask.
Shure I would like to believe in 15hp more whith cooler air, but fact is a fact.
I'm talking about diesel turbo engines.
There are power differences on very hot vs very cold days though. Turbo engines get heat-soaked -- this is widely known.
@@maksimjuravlev8307 well said. i totally agree.
is there something like this for e60 535?
What if i have a diesel
It should fit as well! Reach out to our guys at INFO@KIES.COM and we can get you more information 💪
Any Update about the display key?
Still waiting on an update ☹️
I have a cold air intake and down pipe on stage 2 tune. Thinking about getting an intercooler now. Would I need to do a retune?
Dude I’d like 2 install this in my Bmw hw 2 get contact with u?
Info@kiesmotorsports.com 👍🏼
Will this exact intercooler work on my stock 2017 330i