I work at an LBS and have access to the best stuff available I do not race but I still ride a 2013 titanium endurance bike because I still haven’t ridden anything that would justify spending thousands of dollars spent on something new even though I can build at cost. I truly believe if you find something that actually fits you it doesn’t matter make or carbon, aluminum or steel as long as you get along with it and it’s comfortable just RIDE IT!!!!
There needs to more of this thinking around bike purhcases....bike upgrading seems to happen so frequently (at least in Singapore), that people don't really even get to understand the frame and grow with it. There's this unbalanced focus on component bling vs. total ride value...
Could not agree more....I am still riding my 1996 De Rosa Replica '57, fully lugged Speciale Steel, 9 speed Record. I am biased, being Italian and born in '57....Me and this bike ride as one, and always have, and we have done some crazy ass rides like one-day double centrury rides across the Colorado Rockies. I have ridden some newer bikes of friends, but they are in no way deserving of making a change. My De Rosa is just part of me.....don't try that with Chinese carbon.
If your normal road bike fits and is comfortable, stick a second bottle on and it becomes an endurance bike. This is how it used to be before everything needed a specific label
@@deanpesci8484 My dad left me his 1952 Claud Butler; an original, not like the current crop. I haven't ridden it yet, but am thinking of restoring it. I'm sure it would make a lovely endurance bike; though the Shimano 600 (which he upgraded it to) probably needs upgrading!
I've got an Endurace CF SL. It is my first serious bicycle, as I have been on a low end "hybrid" bike up until this purchase. I can say that I was able to do my first Century ride after only 6 weeks of getting used to the Endurace and taking rides gradually increasing the distance. No pains, no problems. I did have the bike professionally fitted, which took about an hour and a half. I have done a total of 4 Centuries since July, and when I am not riding 100 mi, I ride about 50 km at a time, with a lot of hills. The price is good, but you do have to set it up yourself. I looked at the Trek Domaine and a few others but they were mostly not available due to high demand, so and went with the Canyon. The Canyon had a wait, and once they become available you've got to order yours right away as the sell out in hours. I'm 68 years old, so this will probably be the last bike I own, but I am happy I can ride it all day long up and down hills and not ache at the end of the day. I can't keep up with the 20 year olds, but the Endurace is fast, even for me, and easy on these old bones.
Honestly if you’re still riding this much at 68 I’d take the other side of the bet and bet you keep going long enough this ends up not being your last bike :)
Have a 2020 Domane SL5. Over the years I've upgraded the rims (Aeolus Pro 37 TLR), tires (Conti 5000's 28mm), carbon bar (Bontrager Pro IsoCore VR-SF), handle bar tape (Zipp Service Course), seat (Sella Italia Model X), group set (SRAM Rival eTap AXS). This thing is a beast and soooooo comfortable. Not a weight weenie or a racer so the Domane being heavier than a racing bike doesn't really bother me. Just a 59 year old guy in really good shape competing against himself lol. Ride 60-100 miles a week every season but winter. On the trainer then. IMHO you are one of the best reviewers and I really enjoy your thorough bike videos!
I ridden a Cervelo Caledonia Di2 for the last two seasons as my only bicycle, and it’s been the best bike I’ve ever ridden, and I’ve had steel, Al, Ti and other carbon bikes. It’s good on smooth and the bevy of very rough roads where I live, and I’ve done lots of way too rough gravel on it. It excels on long rides, with several 200+km rides on it thus far, including lots and lots of climbing. I’m planing on a solo 250 and 300 km ride next season, and also more trips back to the high mountains with it. It is on the heavy side, especially with the stock DT Swiss 1800 wheels. I crashed it heavily this past season and had to replace the wheels, and now I have some lighter hoops, but the bike still isn’t a feather. I love it though, and I often spend miles marveling at how comfortable bicycles have become.
I got the BMC Roadmachine one 4. It’s a bike that dosen’t excel in one thing but does best in everything. I’ts a real allrounder. The internal cables and loved the aero frame design.
I shopped several of these bikes recently. Ultimately went with the Giant Defy due to high value (price vs. features), looks, and the fact that it was available immediately. The Canyon Endurance was also a contender, but not a big fan of the colors.
My experience was similar. Although my local shop is a big Giant dealer, they never seemed to have a Defy in my size. I went with the Endurace in what Canyon calls "Off Navy" but it is actually a flat green, and very attractive.
After waiting a year for the Specialized Roubaix Comp, I gave up and bought the Cervelo Caledonia with the SRAM Rival AXS groupset. I have a 2010 Roubaix which I upgraded from 105 to Sram Rival AXS a year ago and wanted to stay with the brand, but I have zero regrets about the Cervelo. It is an amazing bike!
Watching some of your yt's as well as others, decided me to buy a Specialized Roubaix. I had to wait a long time but I finally got one. I must say, a good choice. I was afraid it would be slow but I'm riding faster than before and must less bumps ! I'm nog looking for every crack on the road anymore. Thx for the video.
Great selection. I just got a Defy advanced pro 2 and its a wonderful bike. Absorbs road chatter just like a cervelo R3 I once owned, but with a much more relaxed geometry. I also have a Litespeed Cherhoala as my gravel machine. Titanium is great for the right application.
Great video as always!!! Could you do some videos on budget bikes? Less than £1000/£2000…. I’d like to see what’s recommended as there’s not much information out there
I just went through this exercise and landed on the Giant Defy Advanced Pro 2. Insane value. I came from a 2010 tarmac pro and the comfort is just otherworldly + its WAY WAY faster! Its a touch heavier than my old bike (mainly due to hydraulics v rim brakes)...but im 93kg so who cares!
I have a XS Wilier Triestina … rim brakes which I use in a regular basis . Carbon frame and carbon wheels with 28 mm tires . Just perfect for myself. Love it.❤
I am baffled why the Wilier doesn’t get more attention. I only rode one once and all I can say is WOW. No words how amazing of a ride it was. Fast forward to a few months ago I spotted at rider at a red light and he was on a Wilier Cento10SL and I asked him about it. He said, “I absolutely love it, it’s a dream to ride.” As the light turned green he looked back at me and said “buy 2 of them if you can.” What model do you own? How tall are you? I am going to pull the plug on a Cento10SL (not sure which color, black or red) and I am torn on size. I am 5’5-5’6”. I have been told Small but I’m not sure. Any input my friend would be great. No one around me sells them, so I have to go with the gut. Anyway, rich Italy heritage in the Wilier and they look great and one really gets a great value. They are a bit cheaper and I love that. I looked forward to hearing from you my friend. Cheers, Shane
I would love to have seen the Argon 18 Krypton in this video. Great bike that also comes in various builds and carbon lay ups to match different price points. It's also on the more race oriented side of endurance but it's super comfortable.
I bought a 2023 Argon18 Kyrpton with SRAM Force AXS. No vibration isolation mechanicals, but very smooth and comfortable geometry and setup. I added 32mm Pirelli Cinturato Velo tubeless tires. Smooth as butter. It should definitely be considered in the top ten (top five?).
I think many are due for an update - canyon endurance, roadmachine, roubaix. Also, aren’t we expecting more c68 models? From the ones presented, the Domane looks very interesting
Great suggestions mentioned in this video. I absolutely love my 2018 Synapse I built up, super comfy and highly responsive. Once again awesome video thanks for posting!
7 years and 100.000km ago I bought a Canyon Endurace CF 7 SL. 2 big crashes: the bike and I survived. Bought it for same reasons in the video. Very happy, but now it will become my winter bike as I bought a Canyon Aeroad.
Been looking for a bike that is more road then a gravel bike and feel an endurance road bike is just that, would you agree? Nice to hear someone actually talk about the features instead of me trying to look through all the brouchers on the website.
Not enough margins on these bikes. Also people who buy in this price range often keep their bike for years or even decades... Not good for profits, unless you are a VERY large business!
The way the oversized print is on the jumper I thought it was a reference to 'annon dal' which I can only assume is some variant on an Indian curry. That aside, bikes wise though the Strael gets my vote.
Agree with you. I have the 2020 model. Fantastic bike for long distances and extremely planted on descents. Very smooth ride. You never see it reviewed anywhere.
@@finianquinn3526 Exactly, I have one too and find the frame really interesting in terms of comfort… it’s sad we find so little information about it on reviews
I have the Infinito XE, minus the countervale, same geometry, but not the same frame as the high end Infinito. Rides great, and has very responsive handling too.
No attention to any Italy brands-Pinarello, Bianchi, Colnago and my favorite Wilier. Strange, really. I have been eying the Wilier Cento10SL and have also looked at the Bianchi. Can’t go wrong with any of them. Hope these reviews are reading these posts.
I have got myself a Salsa Warroad this year. This bike is also endurance focused and rides sooooo smooth & comfy. On 34mm Schwalbe Pro Evo tires it also rolls faster than my former aluminium road bike. Perfect for ultra cycling events!
How about a video with just comfort geometry? So many brands have moved towards racier geometry it might as well be race bike comparison, so a "comfort geometry only" video would be super
That Masterworks art sponsor thing caught me out, initially. In all honesty, I thought it was the beginning of a joke. Just from a self-protection point of view David, meant in a friendly way, I'd suggest stating it's the sponsor at the beginning of their scripted part, and stating that you're not a financial adviser and can't comment on the suitability or otherwise of any investment.
I turned 61 and I sold my Allez pro and got a Litespeed T5. I have a bit over 1k miles on it. Comfort wise it’s quite a difference. I’m still getting used to the geometry. I’m up higher and it is twitchier.
Tasty selection. Alloy? I've got a Mason Definition which is at the endurance end of the spectrum, and a more all around CAAD12. Each of these bikes prove that alloy done right is still a thing. Both ride far more smoothly than my carbon Reacto - but that's sort of expected.
I’ve had a racing bike from the mid 2000s that I’ve thought i wanted to upgrade. And getting older i assumed i should get an endurance bike. I test rode the Domane over the course of a couple days and really didn’t care for it. It felt sluggish and heavy. I returned it and am now looking toward a race bike for upgrade.
I got a domane 5 and initially thought it was slower than the racing bike I have but the longer my rides and more hills I appreciated it more. It’s different but so am I.
I really like the Cannondale Synapse, was looking at the basic carbon one (without pointless expensive electronic tech), I’ve a Cannondale CAAD 8 now. Thing is I want the option to fit a pannier rack so I can carry a “D’” lock, some clean cloths etc, so I can go away for a weekend, now if I go off for an adventure I use my Giant Roam or Cube E-bike. The Cannondale CAAD8, as good as it is, is no good for adventures, just one day rides which is a bit boring and repetitive.
@davidarthur Hi David, great video as always. While I know you have done a previous video proporting that gearing and wheels are more important than weight when it comes to climbing. Weight is still a large deciding factor for me and many riders who are lightweight frames. Are you able to make comment on this and in future videos where you give a brief overview of the actual running gear used on the bikes tested. (e.g. ultegra running gear, dt suisse 35mm carbon wheels etc). Either in the video or the comments section. Also, the weight of the bikes tested. Some digital hand held scales cost about $40. Many of the manufacurers either do not give the weight or it is without pedals, cages etc and even then not accurate. That would give a proper context. Thanks
Instead of this, should've made a video with title "10 best endurance road bikes 2023 that don't cost a fortune, around €1500, AL frame, carbon fork, that you can actually buy, because they're exist in the real world."
How to remove smart sense off the Synapse if anyone interested : 1. All you have to do is remove the top cover on the top of the downtube which has the di2 wires, front light smart sense wire and brake hoses inserted. Once removed, simply unclip the smart sense wire *you may need to pull it to get access*. This wire is attached to the light permanently on the other end. I recommend just removing the 2 bolts under the stem to remove the out front mount with light and wire in situ (assuming you have the System Bar on LTD RLE GRX). So front part removed. 2. That smart sense wire in 1. above *you disconnected* was connected to another smart sense wire that runs the length of the downtube and is connected to the battery cradle at the top. Simply remove battery and cradle and unplug the long smart sense wire. You can leave it in place and don't need to take it out of the downtube. 3. There is another smart sense wire connected to the battery cradle at the bottom. Unplug this also. This wire runs through the seat tube and comes out the top where it connects with another smart sense wire that runs up the seat post and is inserted into a groove in the the side of the di2 battery cover. This then connects to your rear light. Simply remove the seat post and unplug the smart sense wire and also the di2 wire that is connected to the battery. You can either remove the long wire in the seat tube now or leave it as is and let it hang loose. It is a good idea to remove the di2 battery holder/battery. You will need to tease the smart sense wire out of the side grooves on the battery holder. 4. Remove the saddle. You will see a smart sense wire connected to the smart sense light (it is captive so can't be unplugged) that runs into the seat post through a hole in the saddle clamp. You unplugged this wire already where it goes into the seat tube. Simply undo the go pro bolt on the saddle clamp to remove the light/radar mechanism. As the di2 battery holder is removed you should be able to pull the smart sense wire through now. You can buy a battery cradle cover from Cannondale Spares btw.
Hi David. Great video, thanks! Do you have any familiarity with the Orro Gold endurance ? I’m thinking of getting one but there are so few decent reviews by folks like you who know what they’re talking about !
Giant Defy is no longer an option for 2024. 😢 They have made the geometry more aggressive making it a bike for racing, and they have routed the cables through the bloody stem which is dumb for mechanical drivetrains - wrecks shift feel and is just fashion… Such a shame, it’s been my favourite bike for years.
Despite gravel bikes popularity. Everyone is so in to gravel bikes, sounds on people like that is the bike for everything. Endurance bikes has always been there. I dont care if you are on a carbon endurance from 2021. You still got 1cm room/cleareance even with 38mm tires on many endurance models. This focus on gravelbikes does look like it is a gimic like a fidget spinner. When its not popular in media people will buy other bikes?? I understand there is some need for catagorizing different bikes. But would be very nice if not. I would be so happy if this video about endurance bikes didnt have a single word about GRAVEL BIKES! Please!! :)
dude endurance light grevel road bike Domane. Common its an endurance bike dude! 2021 model also had 38mm cleareance and still 1cm room for even bigger. ITS AN ENDURANCE BIKE!! You can ride anything on gravel or cobblestones!
Sadly you've only included one steel frame. certainly weight is a drawback, but as far as endurance riding goes nothing beats steel? add thin steel forks with it... even better.
I didn't do my research and bought a Giant TCR great and fast bike. The only problem is that I'm more of an endurance rider. I haven't gone more than 30 miles yet. I hope my back doesn't make me pay later.
I have a 2022 Roubaix that I upgraded with the Sram Rival etap. I have spent approximately 3600.00 usd. I cant see myself ever spending 10k for a SWorks.
In which category would you put the Aethos? It’s not a race or aero bike but is it too sporty to be an endurance bike? I have found it to be comfortable even on longer runs, maybe it is an endurance bike on steroids?
Aethos is a super lightweight climbing bike. Similiar aggressive geometry to the Tarmac. The SL1 - SL6 were the lightweight bike with some aero. The Venge was the full on aero race bike, Then they ditched the Venge and made the SL7 with a foot in each camp (aggressive aero racer meets light bike).
Are these endurance bikes able to ride tow paths/firmly decomposed granite. I’m looking for a bike to primarily use a road bike but once in a while get into rougher road/slightly off it.
I have just ordered the Bianchi 2023 via nirone 7 105, however am surprised its not reviewed anywhere as its got a lot of good tech and a good name. Is there a reason
It’s baffling that brands from Italy get no love. Bianchi is great. You won’t be disappointed. I am seriously eyeing a Wilier-it gets zero attention. Sad.
I have the Synapse with GRX di2 groupset and smart sense lights and radar. Cannondale are only importing European spec smart sense into my country which means German stvzo lights with no blink mode and only last 2 hours if lucky, less with radar on. Plus the rear light is only 24 lumens. Had enough and pulled it all out. It's actually a 10-15 minute job if you look at the wiring in the Cannondale online manual and you can even buy a plate for a tenner (which should have been included with the bike) that covers the battery cradle. Looks ok if you have a dark coloured frame. Other than that a very comfortable bike.
I have the same bike, love the bike and the GRX groupset but hate the smartsense crap, I get 2 hours at best and getting the shitty STVZO version in the UK makes no sense, if we got the other version and maybe get 4 hours from it I could live with it and I do like the radar but I am also thinking about removing it all. Did you have any trouble getting the wiring it with having the Di2 cabling in there as well?
@@iainhampson3442 Replied above on how I removed smart sense. Couldn't reply to you directly here. LBS said Cannondale only made bikes with STVZO lights to begin with to suit German market and regular flashing lights will start coming online in December. A few places online are doing pre-orders. I couldn't be bothered tbh.
@@paulcampos203 I smell the lack of humanity that results in mass depression that ruins an entire nation. Keep kicking people already down. I'm sure they won't revolt and burn the city to feel it's warmth.
I have a Cervelo Caledonia , great lookin bike , however I am disappointed with the cockpit .How can they start with such a beautiful and end with come cheap seat post , stem and handle bars that cause my hands to get numb .The brand is going to wrong way
The roadmachine four with SRAM force is right on for me as far as comfort and flat speed. Im not noticing anything spectacular for up hills as is. Perhaps with a set of Zipp 303s it'll climb faster. I'm loving the muscular sculpted lines more and more. It's a true beauty unlike any other frame.
If you're buying a TGS or C you have the honor of paying 33% to fund their ads and teams. These bikes are usually stuffed full of useless "tech" and have the most recalls. Buy a Masi or KHS or Fuji or Marin or Breezer and be happy.
Why are the Canyon bikes still showing their horrible cables? I understand it is more MX friendly, but with all todays tech and ability to hide the cables from the wind, I think these bikes are behind the times. Love the Trek Domane, Specialized Roubaix, and BMC!! If I have to pick one bike, I would buy the Trek. Beautiful bike.
If these “endurance bikes” - yet another road bike category! - are so differently designed and configured from race bikes, why are you riding them like race bikes?
Too bad none of these bikes have a rim brake option, rather than those junk, dangerous disks......I wouldnt buy any of these anyway, garbo compared to ten years ago, heavier, 3X pricier.....No Thanks!!!
The manufacturers need to push prices ever higher to maintain their profit growth, so they incorporate complex technologies into the brakes (hydrophilic hydraulic fluid under pressure, what could go wrong?) and transmissions (battery powered electric shifters, ditto). Wheel widths are becoming laughable for road bikes - despite 35 mm providing no discernible rolling friction/drag benefit. It’s all about shaming us into upgrading when it’s questionable whether we actually end up with a superior real-world bike. Just more mindless consumerism, like these ridiculous 500 hp Audi station wagons the one-percenters are commuting in.
I work at an LBS and have access to the best stuff available I do not race but I still ride a 2013 titanium endurance bike because I still haven’t ridden anything that would justify spending thousands of dollars spent on something new even though I can build at cost. I truly believe if you find something that actually fits you it doesn’t matter make or carbon, aluminum or steel as long as you get along with it and it’s comfortable just RIDE IT!!!!
There needs to more of this thinking around bike purhcases....bike upgrading seems to happen so frequently (at least in Singapore), that people don't really even get to understand the frame and grow with it. There's this unbalanced focus on component bling vs. total ride value...
Could not agree more....I am still riding my 1996 De Rosa Replica '57, fully lugged Speciale Steel, 9 speed Record. I am biased, being Italian and born in '57....Me and this bike ride as one, and always have, and we have done some crazy ass rides like one-day double centrury rides across the Colorado Rockies. I have ridden some newer bikes of friends, but they are in no way deserving of making a change. My De Rosa is just part of me.....don't try that with Chinese carbon.
If your normal road bike fits and is comfortable, stick a second bottle on and it becomes an endurance bike.
This is how it used to be before everything needed a specific label
@@deanpesci8484 My dad left me his 1952 Claud Butler; an original, not like the current crop. I haven't ridden it yet, but am thinking of restoring it. I'm sure it would make a lovely endurance bike; though the Shimano 600 (which he upgraded it to) probably needs upgrading!
Best advice ever… I regret selling old roubaix bc I got sold on disc brakes, etc etc. Find something that fits and comfortable and stick with it
I've got an Endurace CF SL. It is my first serious bicycle, as I have been on a low end "hybrid" bike up until this purchase. I can say that I was able to do my first Century ride after only 6 weeks of getting used to the Endurace and taking rides gradually increasing the distance. No pains, no problems. I did have the bike professionally fitted, which took about an hour and a half. I have done a total of 4 Centuries since July, and when I am not riding 100 mi, I ride about 50 km at a time, with a lot of hills.
The price is good, but you do have to set it up yourself. I looked at the Trek Domaine and a few others but they were mostly not available due to high demand, so and went with the Canyon. The Canyon had a wait, and once they become available you've got to order yours right away as the sell out in hours.
I'm 68 years old, so this will probably be the last bike I own, but I am happy I can ride it all day long up and down hills and not ache at the end of the day. I can't keep up with the 20 year olds, but the Endurace is fast, even for me, and easy on these old bones.
If you’re still riding at 68 you’ll probably still be riding at 88!
Honestly if you’re still riding this much at 68 I’d take the other side of the bet and bet you keep going long enough this ends up not being your last bike :)
That won't be your last bike sir. Keep pedaling
Have a 2020 Domane SL5. Over the years I've upgraded the rims (Aeolus Pro 37 TLR), tires (Conti 5000's 28mm), carbon bar (Bontrager Pro IsoCore VR-SF), handle bar tape (Zipp Service Course), seat (Sella Italia Model X), group set (SRAM Rival eTap AXS). This thing is a beast and soooooo comfortable. Not a weight weenie or a racer so the Domane being heavier than a racing bike doesn't really bother me. Just a 59 year old guy in really good shape competing against himself lol. Ride 60-100 miles a week every season but winter. On the trainer then. IMHO you are one of the best reviewers and I really enjoy your thorough bike videos!
I ridden a Cervelo Caledonia Di2 for the last two seasons as my only bicycle, and it’s been the best bike I’ve ever ridden, and I’ve had steel, Al, Ti and other carbon bikes. It’s good on smooth and the bevy of very rough roads where I live, and I’ve done lots of way too rough gravel on it. It excels on long rides, with several 200+km rides on it thus far, including lots and lots of climbing. I’m planing on a solo 250 and 300 km ride next season, and also more trips back to the high mountains with it. It is on the heavy side, especially with the stock DT Swiss 1800 wheels. I crashed it heavily this past season and had to replace the wheels, and now I have some lighter hoops, but the bike still isn’t a feather. I love it though, and I often spend miles marveling at how comfortable bicycles have become.
I got the BMC Roadmachine one 4. It’s a bike that dosen’t excel in one thing but does best in everything. I’ts a real allrounder. The internal cables and loved the aero frame design.
I shopped several of these bikes recently. Ultimately went with the Giant Defy due to high value (price vs. features), looks, and the fact that it was available immediately. The Canyon Endurance was also a contender, but not a big fan of the colors.
My experience was similar. Although my local shop is a big Giant dealer, they never seemed to have a Defy in my size. I went with the Endurace in what Canyon calls "Off Navy" but it is actually a flat green, and very attractive.
After waiting a year for the Specialized Roubaix Comp, I gave up and bought the Cervelo Caledonia with the SRAM Rival AXS groupset. I have a 2010 Roubaix which I upgraded from 105 to Sram Rival AXS a year ago and wanted to stay with the brand, but I have zero regrets about the Cervelo. It is an amazing bike!
Watching some of your yt's as well as others, decided me to buy a Specialized Roubaix. I had to wait a long time but I finally got one. I must say, a good choice. I was afraid it would be slow but I'm riding faster than before and must less bumps ! I'm nog looking for every crack on the road anymore. Thx for the video.
Great selection. I just got a Defy advanced pro 2 and its a wonderful bike. Absorbs road chatter just like a cervelo R3 I once owned, but with a much more relaxed geometry.
I also have a Litespeed Cherhoala as my gravel machine. Titanium is great for the right application.
Great video as always!!!
Could you do some videos on budget bikes? Less than £1000/£2000…. I’d like to see what’s recommended as there’s not much information out there
Nope...not for povos....😛
Roubaix hands down one of of the best endurance bike , light , super comfort and fast like racing bike
I just went through this exercise and landed on the Giant Defy Advanced Pro 2. Insane value. I came from a 2010 tarmac pro and the comfort is just otherworldly + its WAY WAY faster! Its a touch heavier than my old bike (mainly due to hydraulics v rim brakes)...but im 93kg so who cares!
I have a XS Wilier Triestina … rim brakes which I use in a regular basis . Carbon frame and carbon wheels with 28 mm tires . Just perfect for myself. Love it.❤
I am baffled why the Wilier doesn’t get more attention. I only rode one once and all I can say is WOW. No words how amazing of a ride it was. Fast forward to a few months ago I spotted at rider at a red light and he was on a Wilier Cento10SL and I asked him about it. He said, “I absolutely love it, it’s a dream to ride.” As the light turned green he looked back at me and said “buy 2 of them if you can.” What model do you own? How tall are you? I am going to pull the plug on a Cento10SL (not sure which color, black or red) and I am torn on size. I am 5’5-5’6”. I have been told Small but I’m not sure. Any input my friend would be great. No one around me sells them, so I have to go with the gut. Anyway, rich Italy heritage in the Wilier and they look great and one really gets a great value. They are a bit cheaper and I love that. I looked forward to hearing from you my friend. Cheers, Shane
I would love to have seen the Argon 18 Krypton in this video. Great bike that also comes in various builds and carbon lay ups to match different price points. It's also on the more race oriented side of endurance but it's super comfortable.
I bought a 2023 Argon18 Kyrpton with SRAM Force AXS. No vibration isolation mechanicals, but very smooth and comfortable geometry and setup. I added 32mm Pirelli Cinturato Velo tubeless tires. Smooth as butter. It should definitely be considered in the top ten (top five?).
I think many are due for an update - canyon endurance, roadmachine, roubaix. Also, aren’t we expecting more c68 models? From the ones presented, the Domane looks very interesting
Ride a 2020 Giant Defy 2 advance with 105. Incredible bike , got over 14,000 miles on it. Handle any surface. Rides fast
I have the exact same bike, but about a fifth of the miles haha. However, I'm also in love with that bike
@@AnderGdeT lost 40 lbs riding 30 milers 5 days a week . Love the 32 wide tires. Ride safe 🚴♀️🚴♀️
Weirdly me too. Fancy electric shifting now though …
@@Lenser Sad update . Crashed and cracked the frame. Bottom bracket $1000 repair since no warranty since not original owner.
@Jeff Morse sorry to hear that! hope you are okay! i crashed last wednesday and it's a shitty feeling. I hope you can ride again soon!
Great suggestions mentioned in this video. I absolutely love my 2018 Synapse I built up, super comfy and highly responsive. Once again awesome video thanks for posting!
Yep, I have six bikes but think the Synapse would be my favorite.
Yep too !!
Hey David, great video thanks. Do you have a full review covering the BMC roadmachine 01? Cheers
7 years and 100.000km ago I bought a Canyon Endurace CF 7 SL. 2 big crashes: the bike and I survived. Bought it for same reasons in the video. Very happy, but now it will become my winter bike as I bought a Canyon Aeroad.
Ribble R872 - great bike, and value
Been looking for a bike that is more road then a gravel bike and feel an endurance road bike is just that, would you agree? Nice to hear someone actually talk about the features instead of me trying to look through all the brouchers on the website.
Are you able to make a video on budget endurance bikes from the market, like the Triban RC520 from Decathlon, etc.
You mean bikes that normal people can afford??? Never.....
Not enough margins on these bikes.
Also people who buy in this price range often keep their bike for years or even decades...
Not good for profits, unless you are a VERY large business!
The way the oversized print is on the jumper I thought it was a reference to 'annon dal' which I can only assume is some variant on an Indian curry. That aside, bikes wise though the Strael gets my vote.
Hi David. Very informative video as usual.
The trek gets my vote especially in that colour 🚴♂️🚴♂️🚴♂️👍👍👍
The Bianchi Infinito should be mentioned here. The countervail technology really works, it’s really like riding on silk
Agree with you. I have the 2020 model. Fantastic bike for long distances and extremely planted on descents. Very smooth ride. You never see it reviewed anywhere.
@@finianquinn3526 Exactly, I have one too and find the frame really interesting in terms of comfort… it’s sad we find so little information about it on reviews
I have the Infinito XE, minus the countervale, same geometry, but not the same frame as the high end Infinito. Rides great, and has very responsive handling too.
I ride the infinity xe too my first carbon bike very responsive and a great bike in New England with hills and weather
No attention to any Italy brands-Pinarello, Bianchi, Colnago and my favorite Wilier. Strange, really. I have been eying the Wilier Cento10SL and have also looked at the Bianchi. Can’t go wrong with any of them. Hope these reviews are reading these posts.
I have got myself a Salsa Warroad this year. This bike is also endurance focused and rides sooooo smooth & comfy. On 34mm Schwalbe Pro Evo tires it also rolls faster than my former aluminium road bike. Perfect for ultra cycling events!
How about a video with just comfort geometry? So many brands have moved towards racier geometry it might as well be race bike comparison, so a "comfort geometry only" video would be super
This a great class of bike! 90% of the benefits of a gravel bike for the way most people ride them and more speed!
What about Cube attain? Don't recognise 3 of your bikes listed.
That Masterworks art sponsor thing caught me out, initially. In all honesty, I thought it was the beginning of a joke. Just from a self-protection point of view David, meant in a friendly way, I'd suggest stating it's the sponsor at the beginning of their scripted part, and stating that you're not a financial adviser and can't comment on the suitability or otherwise of any investment.
I turned 61 and I sold my Allez pro and got a Litespeed T5. I have a bit over 1k miles on it. Comfort wise it’s quite a difference. I’m still getting used to the geometry. I’m up higher and it is twitchier.
You didn’t mention the Look 765 optimum 🤔🤔
Tasty selection. Alloy? I've got a Mason Definition which is at the endurance end of the spectrum, and a more all around CAAD12. Each of these bikes prove that alloy done right is still a thing. Both ride far more smoothly than my carbon Reacto - but that's sort of expected.
I’ve had a racing bike from the mid 2000s that I’ve thought i wanted to upgrade. And getting older i assumed i should get an endurance bike. I test rode the Domane over the course of a couple days and really didn’t care for it. It felt sluggish and heavy. I returned it and am now looking toward a race bike for upgrade.
The new Domane SLR or rsl build depending on the group set can be 7kg. That’s a decent weight.
I got a domane 5 and initially thought it was slower than the racing bike I have but the longer my rides and more hills I appreciated it more. It’s different but so am I.
Merida Scoultura Endurance 6000.This bike was my best choice. Also considered Look 765 Optimum but too pricey.
Vielo R+1 Alto, just taken delivery. You loved it when you tested it @davidarthur!
I really like the Cannondale Synapse, was looking at the basic carbon one (without pointless expensive electronic tech), I’ve a Cannondale CAAD 8 now. Thing is I want the option to fit a pannier rack so I can carry a “D’” lock, some clean cloths etc, so I can go away for a weekend, now if I go off for an adventure I use my Giant Roam or Cube E-bike. The Cannondale CAAD8, as good as it is, is no good for adventures, just one day rides which is a bit boring and repetitive.
Can anyone offer advice for something in the all-around do-it-all long distance category in the $500 range?
@davidarthur Hi David, great video as always. While I know you have done a previous video proporting that gearing and wheels are more important than weight when it comes to climbing. Weight is still a large deciding factor for me and many riders who are lightweight frames. Are you able to make comment on this and in future videos where you give a brief overview of the actual running gear used on the bikes tested. (e.g. ultegra running gear, dt suisse 35mm carbon wheels etc). Either in the video or the comments section. Also, the weight of the bikes tested. Some digital hand held scales cost about $40. Many of the manufacurers either do not give the weight or it is without pedals, cages etc and even then not accurate. That would give a proper context. Thanks
Instead of this, should've made a video with title "10 best endurance road bikes 2023 that don't cost a fortune, around €1500, AL frame, carbon fork, that you can actually buy, because they're exist in the real world."
How to remove smart sense off the Synapse if anyone interested :
1. All you have to do is remove the top cover on the top of the downtube which has the di2 wires, front light smart sense wire and brake hoses inserted. Once removed, simply unclip the smart sense wire *you may need to pull it to get access*. This wire is attached to the light permanently on the other end. I recommend just removing the 2 bolts under the stem to remove the out front mount with light and wire in situ (assuming you have the System Bar on LTD RLE GRX). So front part removed.
2. That smart sense wire in 1. above *you disconnected* was connected to another smart sense wire that runs the length of the downtube and is connected to the battery cradle at the top. Simply remove battery and cradle and unplug the long smart sense wire. You can leave it in place and don't need to take it out of the downtube.
3. There is another smart sense wire connected to the battery cradle at the bottom. Unplug this also. This wire runs through the seat tube and comes out the top where it connects with another smart sense wire that runs up the seat post and is inserted into a groove in the the side of the di2 battery cover. This then connects to your rear light. Simply remove the seat post and unplug the smart sense wire and also the di2 wire that is connected to the battery. You can either remove the long wire in the seat tube now or leave it as is and let it hang loose. It is a good idea to remove the di2 battery holder/battery. You will need to tease the smart sense wire out of the side grooves on the battery holder.
4. Remove the saddle. You will see a smart sense wire connected to the smart sense light (it is captive so can't be unplugged) that runs into the seat post through a hole in the saddle clamp. You unplugged this wire already where it goes into the seat tube. Simply undo the go pro bolt on the saddle clamp to remove the light/radar mechanism. As the di2 battery holder is removed you should be able to pull the smart sense wire through now.
You can buy a battery cradle cover from Cannondale Spares btw.
I am surprise the Ribble Endurance did not make this list.
I was looking for this comment before adding my own. Why is there never a Ribble?!
I have a defy advanced and the Ribble Endurance AL as my winter bike - both awesome bikes. Both so comfortable
Hi David. Great video, thanks!
Do you have any familiarity with the Orro Gold endurance ? I’m thinking of getting one but there are so few decent reviews by folks like you who know what they’re talking about !
This bike is cool. I have a ROSE Backroad and im happy with that 😊
What are your thoughts on the Pinarello Paris?
This geek won’t go there. No mention of any Italian company. Just odd.
Giant Defy is no longer an option for 2024. 😢 They have made the geometry more aggressive making it a bike for racing, and they have routed the cables through the bloody stem which is dumb for mechanical drivetrains - wrecks shift feel and is just fashion…
Such a shame, it’s been my favourite bike for years.
Hey David, thanks for the review. Is Orro STC Evo gold anywhere close to the bikes in this video?
I'd say a synapse with tiagra cannot go bigger than 700x30. The cable clamp on the derailleur would rub the tire.
Despite gravel bikes popularity. Everyone is so in to gravel bikes, sounds on people like that is the bike for everything. Endurance bikes has always been there. I dont care if you are on a carbon endurance from 2021. You still got 1cm room/cleareance even with 38mm tires on many endurance models. This focus on gravelbikes does look like it is a gimic like a fidget spinner. When its not popular in media people will buy other bikes??
I understand there is some need for catagorizing different bikes. But would be very nice if not. I would be so happy if this video about endurance bikes didnt have a single word about GRAVEL BIKES! Please!! :)
dude endurance light grevel road bike Domane. Common its an endurance bike dude! 2021 model also had 38mm cleareance and still 1cm room for even bigger. ITS AN ENDURANCE BIKE!! You can ride anything on gravel or cobblestones!
Hello great movie very nice motorcycle ;)
Giant Defy is a proper banger.
How long does that Specialized “future shock” thing last? Presumably it’s expensive to replace.
hell yeah they will be confortable after spending that much
Sadly you've only included one steel frame. certainly weight is a drawback, but as far as endurance riding goes nothing beats steel? add thin steel forks with it... even better.
Giant Defy Vs contend AR?
I didn't do my research and bought a Giant TCR great and fast bike. The only problem is that I'm more of an endurance rider. I haven't gone more than 30 miles yet. I hope my back doesn't make me pay later.
It's literally the same bikes every time. New year, same list. Would be nice to get some thoughts on lesser known brands.
I have a 2022 Roubaix that I upgraded with the Sram Rival etap. I have spent approximately 3600.00 usd. I cant see myself ever spending 10k for a SWorks.
My only problem with Cannondale was that they pasted decals on every tube. 10 or 12 on one bike. The new design is much classier.
Would be good to know pricing for each of these bikes.
In which category would you put the Aethos? It’s not a race or aero bike but is it too sporty to be an endurance bike? I have found it to be comfortable even on longer runs, maybe it is an endurance bike on steroids?
Aethos is a super lightweight climbing bike. Similiar aggressive geometry to the Tarmac. The SL1 - SL6 were the lightweight bike with some aero. The Venge was the full on aero race bike, Then they ditched the Venge and made the SL7 with a foot in each camp (aggressive aero racer meets light bike).
Look Optimum + is not in the list ? i know you cant mention every model, but it should be among these sponsored brands !
Not familiar with that model but I'll check it out - guessing you have one? None of these bikes were sponsored btw
Which sponsored brands? I can't see any.
Are these endurance bikes able to ride tow paths/firmly decomposed granite. I’m looking for a bike to primarily use a road bike but once in a while get into rougher road/slightly off it.
maybe Ribble Endurance AL? Its not on this list...
Prices please. Very important.
I fancy a TIME alpe dehuez x
thats right,, looking for a bike and end up buying a painting,,, wise up..
I have just ordered the Bianchi 2023 via nirone 7 105, however am surprised its not reviewed anywhere as its got a lot of good tech and a good name. Is there a reason
It’s baffling that brands from Italy get no love. Bianchi is great. You won’t be disappointed. I am seriously eyeing a Wilier-it gets zero attention. Sad.
@@amgolfer3591 lovely bike. Enjoy your new purchase
I have the Synapse with GRX di2 groupset and smart sense lights and radar. Cannondale are only importing European spec smart sense into my country which means German stvzo lights with no blink mode and only last 2 hours if lucky, less with radar on. Plus the rear light is only 24 lumens. Had enough and pulled it all out. It's actually a 10-15 minute job if you look at the wiring in the Cannondale online manual and you can even buy a plate for a tenner (which should have been included with the bike) that covers the battery cradle. Looks ok if you have a dark coloured frame. Other than that a very comfortable bike.
I have the same bike, love the bike and the GRX groupset but hate the smartsense crap, I get 2 hours at best and getting the shitty STVZO version in the UK makes no sense, if we got the other version and maybe get 4 hours from it I could live with it and I do like the radar but I am also thinking about removing it all. Did you have any trouble getting the wiring it with having the Di2 cabling in there as well?
@@iainhampson3442 Replied above on how I removed smart sense. Couldn't reply to you directly here. LBS said Cannondale only made bikes with STVZO lights to begin with to suit German market and regular flashing lights will start coming online in December. A few places online are doing pre-orders. I couldn't be bothered tbh.
You can get a complete lynskey force 22 for less than 3 grand right now.
Domane Gen4 seat post SUUUUUUCKS!!!
Just get a gravel bike with two wheelsets.
I smell poverty
@@paulcampos203 I smell the lack of humanity that results in mass depression that ruins an entire nation. Keep kicking people already down. I'm sure they won't revolt and burn the city to feel it's warmth.
@@paulcampos203 Nothing screams poverty like a checkpoint slr 7
No Wiliers?
Exactly. He mentioned no Italian brands.
In other words, the ten major brands are all the ten best bikes of the year.
I have a Cervelo Caledonia , great lookin bike , however I am disappointed with the cockpit .How can they start with such a beautiful and end with come cheap seat post , stem and handle bars that cause my hands to get numb .The brand is going to wrong way
I'm trying to decide between a Wilier Garda - Ultegra and BMC Roadmachine Five 105Di2 , all comments and views are highly appreciated!
The roadmachine four with SRAM force is right on for me as far as comfort and flat speed. Im not noticing anything spectacular for up hills as is. Perhaps with a set of Zipp 303s it'll climb faster. I'm loving the muscular sculpted lines more and more. It's a true beauty unlike any other frame.
If you're buying a TGS or C you have the honor of paying 33% to fund their ads and teams. These bikes are usually stuffed full of useless "tech" and have the most recalls. Buy a Masi or KHS or Fuji or Marin or Breezer and be happy.
hawt damn!!!
I have a Caledonia 5…ticks every box
Why are the Canyon bikes still showing their horrible cables? I understand it is more MX friendly, but with all todays tech and ability to hide the cables from the wind, I think these bikes are behind the times. Love the Trek Domane, Specialized Roubaix, and BMC!! If I have to pick one bike, I would buy the Trek. Beautiful bike.
Hidden cables are a mess to maintain. And they won't save you a watt!
Why don't you ever mention Felt bikes? They make very good bikes but you ignore them on all your videos
If only Fairlight made smaller sizes
“annondal”?! Never heard of them mate.
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I'm surprized Rubaix was mentioned instead of Aethos
Faltó las Lapierres no! 😢😭
Cara você esqueceu da Pinarello.
Canyon has horrible customer service. Since you can only buy direct from the company, I don't think that's going to change soon.
Masterworks... really?
If these “endurance bikes” - yet another road bike category! - are so differently designed and configured from race bikes, why are you riding them like race bikes?
Too bad none of these bikes have a rim brake option, rather than those junk, dangerous disks......I wouldnt buy any of these anyway, garbo compared to ten years ago, heavier, 3X pricier.....No Thanks!!!
The manufacturers need to push prices ever higher to maintain their profit growth, so they incorporate complex technologies into the brakes (hydrophilic hydraulic fluid under pressure, what could go wrong?) and transmissions (battery powered electric shifters, ditto). Wheel widths are becoming laughable for road bikes - despite 35 mm providing no discernible rolling friction/drag benefit. It’s all about shaming us into upgrading when it’s questionable whether we actually end up with a superior real-world bike. Just more mindless consumerism, like these ridiculous 500 hp Audi station wagons the one-percenters are commuting in.
@@johntechwriter oh dear
Uhhhh, what? Disc brakes are far better, and completely safe. I don't care if they are heavier, it's a worthwhile trade-off.
@@progrockUSA 100%