Absolutely fascinating. ..why, at 66 years of age, have I learned so much more over the last ten years, than I ever did at school....so much to know, and such little time to know it....Thank you Jo Marchant.
I am 59 years and feel exactly the same . In my youth we had 2 TV channels that broadcast for a few hours a day and a set of encyclopedia that dad bought one Christmas .
Were there more complex and advanced societies before the ancient Greeks that we do not know of as yet. What a feat, to be able to speak for an hour in such a logical lecture without notes. Jo Marchant is clearly really enthused by her topic. Brilliant !
You have people that for one reason or another can problem solve, understand complex movements into a singularity. Thats what the person who designed this did. He/she simplified the cosmos. Its incredible actually.
Jesus fucking Christ you drones ...'educator' ? she tells us this ancient computer .. this precise mechanical model of the 'heavens' which is still accurate after thousands of years is the result of a 'Big Bang' random chance explosion in another one of her 'science' articles where microbes crawled from the primordial ooze to create this computer. She is an epic liar skilled in the 'mis-education' of the mindless masses of fools. She's careful with her words because she's a top level sophist who is deathly afraid she'll let the truth slip if she's not careful.
@@RiggedVedist I listened to the entire presentation and she never went further back than the mechanism's human origins. What, pray tell, would you have added to her conclusion?
I love this lady's enthusiasm for her astounding artefact and her desire to communicate its importance in helping understand the distant past and the brilliance of some of the people who skulked about there.
I first came across The Antikythera Mechanism in a science magazine about 40 years ago and have ever since been convinced that it was a fake and am happily surprised to have had my mind changed by this well presented lecture.
Ok. Explain your reasoning why you thought it is fake. Because we hadn't seen anything like this before? But this is exactly how Science progresses! Do you not believe in the scientific method?
@@Evan490BC 40 years ago i was a 14 year old learning about Fission;Fusion;Pair-production and annihilation (in fairness i was the youngest in the class) but could not comprehend how 2,000 years ago a mechanical device could have been invented to measure the cosmos.
@@j.jwhitty5861 Fair enough. To me this is a question about Archaeology, rather than public understanding of Science, in the sense that our knowledge of the past is necessarily incomplete. However, we now know that the Greeks (and other ancient civilisations) had developed sophisticated technology that we didn't know about before. This changes our perception of the past. For example (and speaking as a (British-) Greek), we now know that the Ancient Greeks had developed a kind of robot, called Talos, believe it or not. The Byzantines used a weapon called Greek fire, which we haven't fully understood yet. There are historical records of these things, I'm not making these up. (I am an Oxford-educated Engineer and Mathematician with a PhD, in case you think I'm some kind of crazy wacko 😊.)
@@Evan490BC I have always had an amateur interest in Archaeology and (rightly or wrongly) have always used weaponry as a bench mark to the definitive technology existing in any period of time since one thing as a specious we are excellent at is commandeering the tools and technological knowledge available to improvise ways to murder each other. The ancient Greeks by any standard are a fascinating race for their political, philosophical and mathematical savvy, however; I have never heard of them building a robot (will research that with interest). I have heard of the Greek fire and suspect they probably used some form of displacement piston. I never suspected you were a wacko and you should be proud of your achievements :) and who knows what interesting things are yet to be learnt about our ancestors.
This was an excellent documentary talk about the Antikythera mechanism. I had rushes down my back when she led us through the centuries, showing us how it had led to clocks and watch mechanisms. Amazing.
Of all those discussion this artifact, I think Jo gives the best overview to the public, capturing the human experience of the discovery process & putting the find in the proper perspective. Great Job!, Jo!
do you seriously think,we made a perpetual solar clock,with there limited knowledge. & the church breathing down there neck,screaming heracy..all the knowledge they had was handed down for thousands of yrs,most was destroyed. then the church,religion,raised its ugly head..
Yaks, no notes, compleatly coherent complexity, wonderfully energetic, delightfuly charming. Good God, what a mind and spirit that holds all of this, and how much more!?
Probably the best presentation I’ve seen on the device. Extremely interesting. I wonder where the forerunners to this thing may lie. As she says, it seems unlikely that this was the first of its kind.
Alas, probably most, if not all of them, broke down after some use and despairing of ever getting them fixed, their parts were melted down for the bronze. Many, many bronze Greek statues were lost this way.
@@zapfanzapfan I wish we spent half the energy on deep sea exploration that we do exploring space. We have so much left to learn before we leave this rock.
Great presentation! One should not underestimate the ancient man. Displaced into modern times, he or she could do wonders equally. Favorable circumstances and curiosity are what is needed to take the next step or leap.
An breathtaking presentation. Thank you Jo. I've tracked the development of understanding on the Antikythera Mechanism for decades now, however the development of understanding in the past five years has been rapid, and has lead us to a much deeper appreciation of its sophistication.
Imagine the shock when they realise it was used to write the book of Revelations in reference to the change of Pisces into Aquarius, which is why descriptions in Revelations exactly describe current astrological alignments and eclipses. It was even found off Potamos island, which is an uncanny analogue for Patmos island, where John supposedly wrote Revelations. I believe Christianity to be an adaption of Phoenician Sun God Worship, the Cross being the symbol for Baal, but also a Zodiac Calendar, of course it was the Phoenicians and their flying carpets (ship sails) that mastered navigation of the Mediterranean by night. Israel is the Phoenician word for Saturn, being El, Fruit of Isis and Ra, the Winter Soltice, which is why we still use the Phoenician symbol for fish (X) from Sidon, the fishing port where Jezebel came from, before marrying King Ahaz, the King of Tyre, aka Solomon. This is why we still call it Xmas, the fish obviously being the symbol of Pisces, and Mary the Virgin, being Virgo, and before that she was Libra, or Europa, riding opposite Taurus the Bull on the Zodiac, hence Paris, the King of Troy (Tyre) us the combination of Para (Bull) and Isis (Libra) marking the Spring and Autumn Equinoxes in the age of Taurus.
@Djcheb Oxbrbwi well someone should tell Baal Yahweh is sleeping with his wife. It's inverted, mirrors, starsigns rule over Sunsigns and vs versa, that's why Magi and Dionysus worshippers always carried mirrors, and why the Templars wrote their signatures in mirror form, just like Leonardo, and why on the back of a mirror in the oldest Shinto Shrine in Japan it says the words "I am Me" It's a Phoenician code so that others wouldn't know their trade secrets, what was Moon worship became Son worship, which is why the older Ugaritic texts hold that in fact El was the Father of Yahweh, putting Serpentis over Orion. Brw Serpentis is now the Sunsign of Xmas, much like it was the Sunsign of Summer 12,960 years ago in Gobekli Tepe, which is why the King in the North is so sacred, and why Masonic Temple's have no Northern pillar. Even the Letter A is an inversion of a pictographs of a Bull's Head, representing Orion, root of the Zodiac, which in the Age of Aries sat at 33 degrees of the Zodiac, appearing in the night sky in September, the Celtic, Egyptian, Phoenician, Jewish and Assyrian New Year
What strikes me is that she doesn't wonder about the technology of making the device. This is for me the biggest thing about it. Ok, you can create theories, you can draw them down but the greatest thing about the Antikithera mechanism is the high level of technology that existed 2000 years ago that made it possible to produce it with such precision and accuracy.
I've done some blacksmithing in the past, and my knowledge of it is pretty decent. Most likely these gears were created using a foundry casting system. Sand, wax or other objects are shaped and metal is poured into it. Bronze (90% copper 10% tin alloy) was most likely used since that's what a lot of their statues were made of back then, and it has a low melting point compared to copper. Essentially that means it will fill all the nooks and crannies of the mold before it starts to solidify too quickly and leave gaps, called delaminations or cold shuts. Once the casting is complete, you can use hand tools to grind or remove excess parts, which probably would've been easy since bronze is a softer metal. At least compared to what we use today.
You know its difficult because you dont know how to do it. Like our country ancestor, they made some clothes that we cant make it with machine and technology nowaday. we can still see them in museum. Our acestor are smart than you think
A polished and extremely informative presentation on this device and it's possible contributions to our development. Where were the lecturers like this when I was in college? Well done that woman.
What a wonderful lecture! The speaker really did a great job. I studied Celestial Navigation while in the US Navy and have been fascinated by astronomy etc for over 30 years now. Our lecturer has a wonderful stage presences in that she doesn't dominate the subject matter. Strong voice and quite a handsome woman too. Sorry. I just wanted to say that last bit.
Thank you Jo for this wonderful presentation, that had me rivetted throughout. I first heard about the Antikythera mechanism in the 1970's from books by the likes of Von Daniken and Arthur C. Clarke. Something about it fired my imagination, as also did the concept of the mechanical measurement of time by an escapement as Jo described. I became an amateur clockmaker in due course but I still feel drawn to this topic, which is how I got here! Thanks again.
pretty sure thats the biggest "conspiracy" of all. That the knowledge is there but it is hidden from Laymen. Always something i ponder, nothing to be taken other than pure conjecture
Excellent presentation. I've been following this for years. The modern investigators are nearly as admirable as the original creators of this device. Never heard anything about the Olympics or the theory of the creation in Rhodes. Thanks very much!
Also (not mentioned here), first ever device known to use graduated dials and pointers. This is another intellectual leap rarely mentioned. Also the triangular tooth profile proves why Archimedes odometer worked while Da Vinci's odometer with square teeth on the gears couldn't .
Ancient History never fails to amaze me, so many unanswered questions which upsets me but at the same time, that’s the beauty of it. Humans 2000 years ago, who were supposedly less advanced than us, have us absolutely puzzled. One of my biggest wishes is hoping archeologists or divers can find more mechanisms like these and hopefully in better condition. I have a feeling it could rewrite history.
Incredible and wonderful lecture by an amazing presenter, Ms Jo Marchant. Had she been one of my professors at the University, I would have never cut classes. Also I think I am in love!
This astronomical knowledge goes back far before Archimedes or Antikythera. Both Egypt and Sumeria before them were tremendous astronomers, knowing what was where and when in the sky. The ratios as multiples of earth rotations were worked out and preserved in stone to never be forgotten. Long before religion and education were conceptualized as separable, these stone structures were for education to whatever level a student was able. We can be nearly certain Archimedes made a significant contribution, but the core knowledge of the core ratios goes back into antiquity.
This is the best documentary so far on this ancient machine. The speculation about the voyage the ship was on is as interesting. Great technology for penetrating the layers. Nicely done.
This is one of those talks that adds such value to our curiosities of our shared histories. Gently placing to the side of what new insights are being shared by Jo Marchant, I experienced such a sadness at hearing of the sponge divers' deaths due to decompression sickeness.
Wonderful presentation! Very many thanks. I'm sending a link to several of my NASA colleagues (now retired!) who I know will be amazed and delighted. I've been following this since I was a kid (decades back). Nice to have some pressing questions answered definitively - at last! Thanks again.
Great lecture. Cleared the fog on a few points. Modern watches predominantly did less until touch screens. I wonder if it had a spring to drive it. Not a big leap.
Really a wonderful presentation! I got to see it on display in 1990. A couple of parts to add that might extend the conversation: the planets were Gods to the Greeks, and so this is also a religious device showing when the Gods were apt to smile on you or show disfavor. And, the political leadership of this time often used astrology in their decision making (as sometimes happens today). Where Mars was in the sky often dictated when battles would be instigated, so this was truly a valuable device to the people of the time.
Astro-Mechanism. The Science of Astrology. Hard Mechanical Evidence dispelling all mythological nonsense of the masses, no mysteries, no ghosts, no gods, devils, or demons, Reality, a place we have yet to reach, obviously, In mrdolce22 Time. Synchronicity ever present reality, quite distance from earth in origin.
Idiots always want to separate science and spirituality failing to see that within the idolized civilizations of man they were completely intertwined raising the standard of man to its peak.
Well done indeed and with sufficient peripheral information to make it clear...had wondered what the conclusions were on the Antikythera machine...just wonderful to get such clarity on the whole subject...
Jo thank your for an excellent and fascinating talk! I read your book a few years ago but this video is very engaging! I hope your studies are continuing and going well!
First off, a top-tier presentation to be bookmarked, and shared! Looking forward to reading the book and finding her other publications. A small tie-in to a site I did not bookmark; going down the "rabbit hole" some time ago, landing on a small project using plastic "Lego" gears and drives. A stage-by-stage layered, gear stack-build, using off-shelf parts, that took less than forty-five minutes in edited time. The finished mechanisms' top gear turned once every fifty thousand years. The entire "LEGO" project was maybe the size of two large cereal boxes. The unit was crowned with a small SciFi character seated along for the long ride. I hoped it blew the minds of some younger kids wanting to duplicate the machine for themselves. The Legos and Erector sets' we had just...
She is beautiful. I cant help but be fascinated with her fascination of this device. She must have devoted years of rigor to make this presentation. I could listen to her all day. Thank you from America.
Thanks so much for posting this. Apart from the amazing engineering and construction of the mechanism is how it constructs and models an idea of how the universe works which we now know to be incorrect. Just goes to show how you can model anything to match observation (within currently knowable limits as it was in that time) no matter how flawed the thinking behind it.
A highly technical discussion based on a VERY complex visitation of 300 B.C. brought to light by modern exploitism . . . & Ms. Marchant is a marvel of smooth explanation & light-bringer of understanding. One prays she will gift the world with 10 kids, as intelligence is inheritable - her mind is effervescent & her capacity to speak a true treasure of English language. Bravo!
Thank you for the calm and gentle unraveling of this extended story and hurrah for giving credit to Arab scholars of the first millenia for preserving the tradition. You may want to look beyond Greek and Anatolian antiquity for the roots of this technology in the Levantine and Mesopotamian traditions of Syria and Iraq.
This is so cool. It makes you wonder what it was like to live in the classical world when a place was at peace. Did the customer send a complaint that they did not receive the device? Who ate the loss? Did the factory make another one and send it there? Was there a separate factory that made gears which the machine maker sourced? Or did the machine maker have to make each part himself?
The ancients not having mass production makes me wonder how many inventors made one-off wonder mechanisms that were only known of by them and their patrons, then lost forever.
@@philipjungelson8591 Aye, and for that matter, how many geniuses might be starving in famine-stricken countries today, trapped in an environment that doesn't allow them to express their gifts?
Fantastic session! Millions of hours of nature cycles observation translated into mathematics, translated to mechanics and constructed with "no" tools. Phenomenal!!!
Dominiek Demaerel Watch “Clickspring’s” YT videos on the topic and you’ll see that they had many tools, including files, soldering devices, lathes, and many other means of cutting and shaping and forming metal to construct mechanisms. His stuff is a goldmine of practical research. Les in UK
After this amazing presentation of such a well crafted device...where was the number one fan of all things Ancient Greek, Boris Johnson to pop up as a guest speaker at the end??? I remember that debate he had with Mary Beard on Ancient Rome v Ancient Greece and which of the two civilizations was superior in intellect, architecture, philosophy, science, sophistication and art. This mechanism would've been his Ace in the pack had he mentioned it.
"...I don't know how they thought of it..." They were the Greeks!! Those people had thoughts about EVERYTHING... Perhaps their decentralised system of city-states helped?? Once they were conquered by Rome... not so much. Greeks did win at the end the battle of ideas. I don't know why it is so surprising they knew and had MECHANISMS to back up, and USE what they knew about the stars and moon from their astrologers.
No not Greek that is an Italian term from about the 1800s to try and seperate the Hellenic empire and the Byzantium so that they could add a part called the Roman empire as a seperate unit rather than the Hellenic expansion so the Italians could try and show they achieved something other than just stealing pasta from the Chinese
Fantastically interesting presentation! That mechanism has revealed more secrets since I last read about it. I wonder if it was just a toy/show piece or if it was actually used for something.
Nice to see everything really clarified with all the research combined. I'm going to speculate with my knowledge of that time in history that the skill to make the antikythera was not so rare. Every shop would have apprentices that learned the trade. Things of that nature would have been in extremely high demand. Unless it went down in a shipwreck why would we ever find it? We only find items when civilization has been destroyed. Where it is uninterrupted, a family or junk dealer would have repurposed grandpa's old brass thing that the kids broke. We don't find one off treasures when they stay in the inventors family. I have had a few inventors in my family. Stuff was boxed up and left for decades until the other spouse died and sold at auction. Going nowhere unless it's purpose was already well known. Nothing made out of brass would last 500 years with moving parts.
It makes a lot of sense that the mechanical models could have come before mathematical ones especially for the Greeks because of how they taught and learned math always through the lens of geometry
What a wonderfully clear presentation from a very knowledgeable lecturer who knows her stuff so well that I think she said “Um” only once. I’m going to find out what else is available with her insights and summaries.
I guess you are joking about the "ums"? Just take a listen at 27:00-28:00, 17 times in a minute... that's plenty of ums. As for the lecture I found it interesting, the device it self fascinating.
Absolutely fascinating. ..why, at 66 years of age, have I learned so much more over the last ten years, than I ever did at school....so much to know, and such little time to know it....Thank you Jo Marchant.
I am 59 years and feel exactly the same . In my youth we had 2 TV channels that broadcast for a few hours a day and a set of encyclopedia that dad bought one Christmas .
Me, as well💕
We’re more interest now. We ‘re not as interest in partying and chasing a possible love.
Unfortunately we need to consider also that never in human history has misinformation been so abundant as it is today.
@@absolutium .You are right. .All you need is the inteligence to recognise bullshit when you hear it.
Were there more complex and advanced societies before the ancient Greeks that we do not know of as yet.
What a feat, to be able to speak for an hour in such a logical lecture without notes.
Jo Marchant is clearly really enthused by her topic. Brilliant !
She has literally computer with presentation in front of her ;)
You have people that for one reason or another can problem solve, understand complex movements into a singularity.
Thats what the person who designed this did. He/she simplified the cosmos.
Its incredible actually.
@@pavel9652 It's to the side of her and she doesn't refer to it once.
What a wonderful educator. Every word conveyed meaning. She built her presentation logically and in a way that kept everyone interested.
can't agree more
This means passion...
Jesus fucking Christ you drones ...'educator' ? she tells us this ancient computer .. this precise mechanical model of the 'heavens' which is still accurate after thousands of years is the result of a 'Big Bang' random chance explosion in another one of her 'science' articles where microbes crawled from the primordial ooze to create this computer. She is an epic liar skilled in the 'mis-education' of the mindless masses of fools. She's careful with her words because she's a top level sophist who is deathly afraid she'll let the truth slip if she's not careful.
@@RiggedVedist chill out man. she's a decent public speaker, that doesn't mean we believe the liternal meanings, of what she says, word for word
@@RiggedVedist I listened to the entire presentation and she never went further back than the mechanism's human origins. What, pray tell, would you have added to her conclusion?
I love this lady's enthusiasm for her astounding artefact and her desire to communicate its importance in helping understand the distant past and the brilliance of some of the people who skulked about there.
I first came across The Antikythera Mechanism in a science magazine about 40 years ago and have ever since been convinced that it was a fake and am happily surprised to have had my mind changed by this well presented lecture.
Ok. Explain your reasoning why you thought it is fake. Because we hadn't seen anything like this before? But this is exactly how Science progresses! Do you not believe in the scientific method?
@@Evan490BC 40 years ago i was a 14 year old learning about Fission;Fusion;Pair-production and annihilation (in fairness i was the youngest in the class) but could not comprehend how 2,000 years ago a mechanical device could have been invented to measure the cosmos.
@@j.jwhitty5861 Fair enough. To me this is a question about Archaeology, rather than public understanding of Science, in the sense that our knowledge of the past is necessarily incomplete. However, we now know that the Greeks (and other ancient civilisations) had developed sophisticated technology that we didn't know about before. This changes our perception of the past. For example (and speaking as a (British-) Greek), we now know that the Ancient Greeks had developed a kind of robot, called Talos, believe it or not. The Byzantines used a weapon called Greek fire, which we haven't fully understood yet. There are historical records of these things, I'm not making these up. (I am an Oxford-educated Engineer and Mathematician with a PhD, in case you think I'm some kind of crazy wacko 😊.)
@@Evan490BC I have always had an amateur interest in Archaeology and (rightly or wrongly) have always used weaponry as a bench mark to the definitive technology existing in any period of time since one thing as a specious we are excellent at is commandeering the tools and technological knowledge available to improvise ways to murder each other. The ancient Greeks by any standard are a fascinating race for their political, philosophical and mathematical savvy, however; I have never heard of them building a robot (will research that with interest). I have heard of the Greek fire and suspect they probably used some form of displacement piston. I never suspected you were a wacko and you should be proud of your achievements :) and who knows what interesting things are yet to be learnt about our ancestors.
I'm astonished that I first heard of this only a few years ago.
By far the best explanation of the Antikythera Mechanism, both from an historic and technical perspective. Thanks!
This is clearly a sky clock from a flat earth perspective.
This was an excellent documentary talk about the Antikythera mechanism. I had rushes down my back when she led us through the centuries, showing us how it had led to clocks and watch mechanisms. Amazing.
Of all those discussion this artifact, I think Jo gives the best overview to the public, capturing the human experience of the discovery process & putting the find in the proper perspective. Great Job!, Jo!
do you seriously think,we made a perpetual solar clock,with there limited knowledge. & the church breathing down there neck,screaming heracy..all the knowledge they had was handed down for thousands of yrs,most was destroyed. then the church,religion,raised its ugly head..
Yaks, no notes, compleatly coherent complexity, wonderfully energetic, delightfuly charming. Good God, what a mind and spirit that holds all of this, and how much more!?
Probably the best presentation I’ve seen on the device. Extremely interesting. I wonder where the forerunners to this thing may lie. As she says, it seems unlikely that this was the first of its kind.
Alas, probably most, if not all of them, broke down after some use and despairing of ever getting them fixed, their parts were melted down for the bronze. Many, many bronze Greek statues were lost this way.
With any luck there are older ship wrecks waiting to be discovered.
Mmmmm Dr Tony Freeth's Stanford Lecture is incredible too, very technical and comprehensive.
@@puncheex2
"wow, this is cool but its broken"
"hows it work?"
"dunno"
"melt it and make a spear!"
"YEAHHH!!!!"
@@zapfanzapfan I wish we spent half the energy on deep sea exploration that we do exploring space.
We have so much left to learn before we leave this rock.
Great presentation!
One should not underestimate the ancient man. Displaced into modern times, he or she could do wonders equally. Favorable circumstances and curiosity are what is needed to take the next step or leap.
I could listen to her talk forever. This is fascinating.
Ms Marchant combines in-depth knowledge with excellent public speaking skills. Fascinating.
An breathtaking presentation. Thank you Jo. I've tracked the development of understanding on the Antikythera Mechanism for decades now, however the development of understanding in the past five years has been rapid, and has lead us to a much deeper appreciation of its sophistication.
Imagine the shock when they realise it was used to write the book of Revelations in reference to the change of Pisces into Aquarius, which is why descriptions in Revelations exactly describe current astrological alignments and eclipses. It was even found off Potamos island, which is an uncanny analogue for Patmos island, where John supposedly wrote Revelations. I believe Christianity to be an adaption of Phoenician Sun God Worship, the Cross being the symbol for Baal, but also a Zodiac Calendar, of course it was the Phoenicians and their flying carpets (ship sails) that mastered navigation of the Mediterranean by night. Israel is the Phoenician word for Saturn, being El, Fruit of Isis and Ra, the Winter Soltice, which is why we still use the Phoenician symbol for fish (X) from Sidon, the fishing port where Jezebel came from, before marrying King Ahaz, the King of Tyre, aka Solomon. This is why we still call it Xmas, the fish obviously being the symbol of Pisces, and Mary the Virgin, being Virgo, and before that she was Libra, or Europa, riding opposite Taurus the Bull on the Zodiac, hence Paris, the King of Troy (Tyre) us the combination of Para (Bull) and Isis (Libra) marking the Spring and Autumn Equinoxes in the age of Taurus.
Oh, and the Astrolabe is identical to the Mayan Calender, because that's where Phoenicians settled after the sack of Carthage
@James Warden Jr. Well, maybe, let find out!
@Djcheb Oxbrbwi well someone should tell Baal Yahweh is sleeping with his wife.
It's inverted, mirrors, starsigns rule over Sunsigns and vs versa, that's why Magi and Dionysus worshippers always carried mirrors, and why the Templars wrote their signatures in mirror form, just like Leonardo, and why on the back of a mirror in the oldest Shinto Shrine in Japan it says the words "I am Me"
It's a Phoenician code so that others wouldn't know their trade secrets, what was Moon worship became Son worship, which is why the older Ugaritic texts hold that in fact El was the Father of Yahweh, putting Serpentis over Orion. Brw Serpentis is now the Sunsign of Xmas, much like it was the Sunsign of Summer 12,960 years ago in Gobekli Tepe, which is why the King in the North is so sacred, and why Masonic Temple's have no Northern pillar. Even the Letter A is an inversion of a pictographs of a Bull's Head, representing Orion, root of the Zodiac, which in the Age of Aries sat at 33 degrees of the Zodiac, appearing in the night sky in September, the Celtic, Egyptian, Phoenician, Jewish and Assyrian New Year
@@uncannyvalley2350 Fascinating. Citations to the phoenician diaspora, please??
What strikes me is that she doesn't wonder about the technology of making the device. This is for me the biggest thing about it. Ok, you can create theories, you can draw them down but the greatest thing about the Antikithera mechanism is the high level of technology that existed 2000 years ago that made it possible to produce it with such precision and accuracy.
Its handmade with hand tools, custom work. Put that in ur pipe and smoke it.
I've done some blacksmithing in the past, and my knowledge of it is pretty decent. Most likely these gears were created using a foundry casting system. Sand, wax or other objects are shaped and metal is poured into it. Bronze (90% copper 10% tin alloy) was most likely used since that's what a lot of their statues were made of back then, and it has a low melting point compared to copper. Essentially that means it will fill all the nooks and crannies of the mold before it starts to solidify too quickly and leave gaps, called delaminations or cold shuts.
Once the casting is complete, you can use hand tools to grind or remove excess parts, which probably would've been easy since bronze is a softer metal. At least compared to what we use today.
100%. That’s what I was waiting for……. How did they cast the wheels and rest of the pieces?
@@sovietspy86 LMAO
You know its difficult because you dont know how to do it. Like our country ancestor, they made some clothes that we cant make it with machine and technology nowaday. we can still see them in museum. Our acestor are smart than you think
Idk what is more impressive, the technology or the presentation. Just brilliant.
Einstein was born and died dumb. He plagiarized his way to fame.
@@maxsmith695 ok boomer
Max Smith wanders around this venue spouting obnoxious, irrelevant shit at random intervals. Ignore the boob.
The technology
A polished and extremely informative presentation on this device and it's possible contributions to our development. Where were the lecturers like this when I was in college? Well done that woman.
What a wonderful lecture! The speaker really did a great job.
I studied Celestial Navigation while in the US Navy and have been fascinated by astronomy etc
for over 30 years now.
Our lecturer has a wonderful stage presences in that she doesn't dominate the subject matter.
Strong voice and quite a handsome woman too. Sorry. I just wanted to say that last bit.
Good work Mrs Marchant. Covering topics in a way that even non-experts can comprehend, requires
the sort of talent that you certainly have.
Dr Marchant. Her accomplishment is more than just marrying into the Marchant family or being born in one.
Noetic Snatches
Mrs Merchant is wearing a lovely dress
@@doppelbanger5797 😂
That was a beautifully presented, fascinating lecture. Thank you, Darwin College and especially Jo Marchant. You have a real talent for communication.
Thank you Jo for this wonderful presentation, that had me rivetted throughout. I first heard about the Antikythera mechanism in the 1970's from books by the likes of Von Daniken and Arthur C. Clarke. Something about it fired my imagination, as also did the concept of the mechanical measurement of time by an escapement as Jo described. I became an amateur clockmaker in due course but I still feel drawn to this topic, which is how I got here! Thanks again.
Thanks for the lecture about ANTIKYTHERA MECHANISM. It looks like it could break out into a series of lectures spread out as a course. Brilliant.
Imagine if we could get our hands on all the lost knowledge...by now we could be reaching Andromeda! Wonderful presentation! Thank you!
pretty sure thats the biggest "conspiracy" of all. That the knowledge is there but it is hidden from Laymen. Always something i ponder, nothing to be taken other than pure conjecture
This presentation was on January 31st 2020 people coughing in the crowd giving off major rona vibes.
@@thepatriarchy819 okay? What’s that gotta do with anything
Bloody brilliant Jo.
Outstanding lecture...
Excellent presentation. I've been following this for years. The modern investigators are nearly as admirable as the original creators of this device. Never heard anything about the Olympics or the theory of the creation in Rhodes. Thanks very much!
Jo
You are amazing to present this without notes as far as I could see.
Stunning lecture! So thankful to live in times where this high quality educational content is accessible for everyone
Marvellous. Fantastic presentation. Many Thanks, Jo Marchant.
Absolutly STUNNING 💕 Ohmygoodness!! Well done!! BRAVO💕
Also (not mentioned here), first ever device known to use graduated dials and pointers. This is another intellectual leap rarely mentioned. Also the triangular tooth profile proves why Archimedes odometer worked while Da Vinci's odometer with square teeth on the gears couldn't .
Best video on youtube, I've watched 3 times and it's still captivating. Jo explains this perfectly.
Ancient History never fails to amaze me, so many unanswered questions which upsets me but at the same time, that’s the beauty of it. Humans 2000 years ago, who were supposedly less advanced than us, have us absolutely puzzled. One of my biggest wishes is hoping archeologists or divers can find more mechanisms like these and hopefully in better condition. I have a feeling it could rewrite history.
Incredible and wonderful lecture by an amazing presenter, Ms Jo Marchant. Had she been one of my professors at the University,
I would have never cut classes. Also I think I am in love!
This astronomical knowledge goes back far before Archimedes or Antikythera. Both Egypt and Sumeria before them were tremendous astronomers, knowing what was where and when in the sky. The ratios as multiples of earth rotations were worked out and preserved in stone to never be forgotten. Long before religion and education were conceptualized as separable, these stone structures were for education to whatever level a student was able. We can be nearly certain Archimedes made a significant contribution, but the core knowledge of the core ratios goes back into antiquity.
This is the best documentary so far on this ancient machine. The speculation about the voyage the ship was on is as interesting. Great technology for penetrating the layers. Nicely done.
This is one of those talks that adds such value to our curiosities of our shared histories. Gently placing to the side of what new insights are being shared by Jo Marchant, I experienced such a sadness at hearing of the sponge divers' deaths due to decompression sickeness.
Yea. Btw they probably died mostly of pulmonary embolism. The ones who survived would have experienced DCS and lived in severe pain.
@@SoundsSilver Oh, my. 😢
Wonderful presentation! Very many thanks. I'm sending a link to several of my NASA colleagues (now retired!) who I know will be amazed and delighted. I've been following this since I was a kid (decades back). Nice to have some pressing questions answered definitively - at last! Thanks again.
Awesome
Thank you for this wonderful presentation.
What an outstanding and well thought-out presentation!
Great lecture. Cleared the fog on a few points.
Modern watches predominantly did less until touch screens.
I wonder if it had a spring to drive it.
Not a big leap.
What a joy to listen this lecture! Very interesting and it enlightst his marine artefact!
Very detailed and organized presentation to capture something complex and beautiful which was lost and the journey to find
Really a wonderful presentation! I got to see it on display in 1990. A couple of parts to add that might extend the conversation: the planets were Gods to the Greeks, and so this is also a religious device showing when the Gods were apt to smile on you or show disfavor. And, the political leadership of this time often used astrology in their decision making (as sometimes happens today). Where Mars was in the sky often dictated when battles would be instigated, so this was truly a valuable device to the people of the time.
Astro-Mechanism. The Science of Astrology. Hard Mechanical Evidence dispelling all mythological nonsense of the masses, no mysteries, no ghosts, no gods, devils, or demons, Reality, a place we have yet to reach, obviously, In
mrdolce22 Time. Synchronicity ever present reality, quite distance from earth in origin.
Idiots always want to separate science and spirituality failing to see that within the idolized civilizations of man they were completely intertwined raising the standard of man to its peak.
Very well done. A pleasure to watch and learn.
This is remarkable and so engaging passionate and really work a day all at once. I am in awe.
Well done indeed and with sufficient peripheral information to make it clear...had wondered what the conclusions were on the Antikythera machine...just wonderful to get such clarity on the whole subject...
Great lecture, so much knowledge and enthusiasm. Thank you, Jo Marchant!
Beautiful explanation of the machine, thanks!
Fascinating and wonderfully presented. Thank you so much.
What a wonderful, wonderful lecture. Thank you so much.
Jo thank your for an excellent and fascinating talk! I read your book a few years ago but this video is very engaging! I hope your studies are continuing and going well!
Well done amazing presentation
First off, a top-tier presentation to be bookmarked, and shared! Looking forward to reading the book and finding her other publications. A small tie-in to a site I did not bookmark; going down the "rabbit hole" some time ago, landing on a small project using plastic "Lego" gears and drives. A stage-by-stage layered, gear stack-build, using off-shelf parts, that took less than forty-five minutes in edited time. The finished mechanisms' top gear turned once every fifty thousand years. The entire "LEGO" project was maybe the size of two large cereal boxes. The unit was crowned with a small SciFi character seated along for the long ride. I hoped it blew the minds of some younger kids wanting to duplicate the machine for themselves. The Legos and Erector sets' we had just...
You summarized all that wonderful and complex information into such a sweet and flowing manner. Thank you. Awesome!
Great presentation. Natural speaking style. More please!
An excellent presentation by Dr Marchant. Really interesting.
What a fabulous lecture.
Fascinating ancient technology
She is beautiful. I cant help but be fascinated with her fascination of this device. She must have devoted years of rigor to make this presentation. I could listen to her all day. Thank you from America.
Thank you for the astronomical teaching as well as the mechanical computer. IMpressive.
Awesomely interesting, great lecture!!! Cheers
Thanks so much for posting this. Apart from the amazing engineering and construction of the mechanism is how it constructs and models an idea of how the universe works which we now know to be incorrect. Just goes to show how you can model anything to match observation (within currently knowable limits as it was in that time) no matter how flawed the thinking behind it.
An excellent presentation A very educative lecture well done and historically informed
Beautiful and inspiring presentation, thank you for this video
A highly technical discussion based on a VERY complex visitation of 300 B.C. brought to light by modern exploitism . . . & Ms. Marchant is a marvel of smooth explanation & light-bringer of understanding. One prays she will gift the world with 10 kids, as intelligence is inheritable - her mind is effervescent & her capacity to speak a true treasure of English language. Bravo!
Spare me
Thank you for the calm and gentle unraveling of this extended story and hurrah for giving credit to Arab scholars of the first millenia for preserving the tradition. You may want to look beyond Greek and Anatolian antiquity for the roots of this technology in the Levantine and Mesopotamian traditions of Syria and Iraq.
really enjoyed this one - informative and straight forward - thank you
Really excellent presentation; I can't believe I've sat through it all. Thank you.
Just loved this!
Brilliant. Thank you very much..
Such a great in depth lecture.
Thank you.
Wow, fantastic lecture. Such a shame we "lost" the great library of Alexandria.....
Excellent lecture, thank you very much for the upload!
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Agreed - the knowledge came first, which is the Really Big Question, then the theories followed...
They had it in new mexico too; in Chaco canyon. Low tech version. Check out the doc film called the sun dagger.
It is amazing what people have done with mechanical devices. Until recently, carburetors were mechanical until computers were placed into automobiles.
Excellent presentation, informative! Thank you !
This is so cool. It makes you wonder what it was like to live in the classical world when a place was at peace. Did the customer send a complaint that they did not receive the device? Who ate the loss? Did the factory make another one and send it there? Was there a separate factory that made gears which the machine maker sourced? Or did the machine maker have to make each part himself?
A stunning presentation revealing not only a breadth of knowledge even more inspiring a passion for a subject.
Absolutely fascinating
You’re amazing. Love your way with speaking and your calmness and sureness in your knowledge. 🥀🌱💐☘️🌾🌻
The ancients not having mass production makes me wonder how many inventors made one-off wonder mechanisms that were only known of by them and their patrons, then lost forever.
Indeed, and how many potential Beethovens, Einsteins or Gutenbergs grotesquely murdered on battlefields to "save our civilisation" ?!
another experet says there is no way it was a prototype but more likely version 20
@@philipjungelson8591 Statistically I would bet none since those types of people are extremely rare and would likely stand and not be sent to battle.
Good question because it opens a rabbit hole.
@@philipjungelson8591 Aye, and for that matter, how many geniuses might be starving in famine-stricken countries today, trapped in an environment that doesn't allow them to express their gifts?
Thank you, An excellent talk.
Wonderful. Thank you.
A superb lecture, thank you.
What a great topic and great presentation.
Incredible stuff - first time I've seen mentioned that the concept for the gear mechanism of the AM survived in Byzantium and the Islamic world.
Fantastic session! Millions of hours of nature cycles observation translated into mathematics, translated to mechanics and constructed with "no" tools. Phenomenal!!!
Dominiek Demaerel Watch “Clickspring’s” YT videos on the topic and you’ll see that they had many tools, including files, soldering devices, lathes, and many other means of cutting and shaping and forming metal to construct mechanisms. His stuff is a goldmine of practical research. Les in UK
Brilliant talk about an amazing device,
After this amazing presentation of such a well crafted device...where was the number one fan of all things Ancient Greek, Boris Johnson to pop up as a guest speaker at the end??? I remember that debate he had with Mary Beard on Ancient Rome v Ancient Greece and which of the two civilizations was superior in intellect, architecture, philosophy, science, sophistication and art. This mechanism would've been his Ace in the pack had he mentioned it.
No *direct* practical purpose, perhaps
That is a very intelligent and interesting woman. A Fantastic presentation.
"...I don't know how they thought of it..."
They were the Greeks!! Those people had thoughts about EVERYTHING... Perhaps their decentralised system of city-states helped?? Once they were conquered by Rome... not so much. Greeks did win at the end the battle of ideas. I don't know why it is so surprising they knew and had MECHANISMS to back up, and USE what they knew about the stars and moon from their astrologers.
No not Greek that is an Italian term from about the 1800s to try and seperate the Hellenic empire and the Byzantium so that they could add a part called the Roman empire as a seperate unit rather than the Hellenic expansion so the Italians could try and show they achieved something other than just stealing pasta from the Chinese
Wow. Thank you. I feel like I really understand this mystery now.
Fantastically interesting presentation! That mechanism has revealed more secrets since I last read about it.
I wonder if it was just a toy/show piece or if it was actually used for something.
It is a clock. Some King had it made and used it to impress his guests.
Nice to see everything really clarified with all the research combined.
I'm going to speculate with my knowledge of that time in history that the skill to make the antikythera was not so rare. Every shop would have apprentices that learned the trade. Things of that nature would have been in extremely high demand. Unless it went down in a shipwreck why would we ever find it? We only find items when civilization has been destroyed. Where it is uninterrupted, a family or junk dealer would have repurposed grandpa's old brass thing that the kids broke. We don't find one off treasures when they stay in the inventors family.
I have had a few inventors in my family. Stuff was boxed up and left for decades until the other spouse died and sold at auction. Going nowhere unless it's purpose was already well known. Nothing made out of brass would last 500 years with moving parts.
It makes a lot of sense that the mechanical models could have come before mathematical ones especially for the Greeks because of how they taught and learned math always through the lens of geometry
This would be great if the volume was up to a decent level.
Lovely example of public speaking from someone with a wonderful command of her subject matter and all done without notes or wordy Power point slides.
Indeed, it's not only wonderful information, but it's very nicely presented.
What a wonderfully clear presentation from a very knowledgeable lecturer who knows her stuff so well that I think she said “Um” only once. I’m going to find out what else is available with her insights and summaries.
I guess you are joking about the "ums"? Just take a listen at 27:00-28:00, 17 times in a minute... that's plenty of ums.
As for the lecture I found it interesting, the device it self fascinating.
@@hetzz Most others did not seem to notice but I can't listen to it because I hear a stream of ums with words sprinkled in.
Breathtaking.