Liturgical Abuse in Chicago Parish - John's Commentary *Includes Popular Music and Bubble Soap*
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Holy Family "Catholic" Community in Inverness, Illinois - Archdiocese of Chicago
Weekly Live Stream: www.holyfamily...
Note: I believe the livestream replaces the previous week's video with the current week's video, so there is no guarantee you will see the same service as in the video. Their livestreams are only available on the parish website and not on youtube.
This is why we travel 3 hours one way to the traditional Latin Mass, The Mass of The Saints!!
There’s plenty of novus ordo parishes that are reverent. I’m sure you can find one that’s closer. For that matter, you can find an Eastern rite church and that might be closer
Six hours round trip? Wow.
@@sasquatchdonut2674 plenty? Haha ok
@@sasquatchdonut2674 No way are there plenty.
@@edwardbaker1331Yes, there are. 99% of Novus Ordos don't remotely resemble whatever the hell this is. There is a liturgy that this "parish" has completely departed from. I love TLM too, but conflating normal NOs with this sacriledge is just dishonest.
I wonder if this is what our Lord saw in the Agony of the Garden
Or one out of the infinite things Jesus referred to when he said, “Father, forgive them for they don’t know what they do” while he was nailed and hanging on the cross
I walked in on one of these clown show Masses once. Before I walked out, I stood up and shouted to everyone how disgraceful it was to make a mockery of the Holy Eucharist and Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. A few others joined me in walking out.
Ed Baker, i wish i would hve been there to walk out with you
Same if I go to one of these man are they going to hear me yell loud and I hope the lord forgives me when I do hopefully I never have to god bless you guys
I do not understand how the Archbishop now Cardinal allows this in his Archdiocese but heavily restricts the TLM?
Because this is what he wants; otherwise he wouldn't permit it.
Because it's Cardinal 'cupcake' Cupich
It's called the sin of pride.
Ken Demming Excellent observation. To me, Cupich and Lightfoot are just two good reasons i am glad i dont live in chicago
Because he’s a heretic and part of the problem.
And this is supposed to be better than a Latin Mass?
This does not make sense.
Archdiocese of Chicago is full of abuses like this.
The vatican 2 conciliarist novus ordo "church" is not Catholic!!!!
Make no mistake about it. This is not Catholic!!!!
With all due respect, I don't think having someone doing sign language is any more modernist than handicap ramps are. She's actually signing to people in the pews.
Now where she is standing, why is she signing at that time and what she is signing May be a cause for revision but the fact that she's there to assist should not be an issue.
Outside of that I think everything is on point with your concerns.
Unless there are hearing impaired persons there I don’t get it. And she should be near them and not performing for the entire congregation.
@@RobMathMiller hence my second paragraph
@@RobMathMiller If it's online, then you don't know if there are hearing impaired that will be watching. The altar provides a space where they can be captured on video so they can be seen.
@@mysticalc.o.g.6678 Actually it’s not necessary. There is the ability to have a signer on a small split screen. Plus there is a closed captioning option for those watching online.
@@RobMathMiller The player on their website doesn't have captioning available. Having a signer on a split screen is possible, although it would require more technical skill. Sorry I had a family member who was deaf and it hurt to see how often he was left out of things. You can hate the Mass, but please some kindness for those who might really need it.
Imagine thinking the purpose of Mass is how it can best be used to entertain you.
If you want entertainment, go see a movie or visit a play, or a college football game. During Mass we worship and glorify our Lord, and He deserves our utmost reverence.
Blowing bubbles publicly at Mass???? _O TEMPORA! O MORES!_ These people are not even truly Catholic at all.
It they valued worshiping the Holy Spirit, they wouldn't act like clowns.
That truely was "Some real good church," John. It was colourfull,energetic, (Energy) entertaining, modern, racially Balanced. In fact it was everything a Mass should not Be. Oh yes, this was Disgraceful. You correctly said This is a Mockery.
Some of these people need to be ex-communicated...starting with these priests!
I wish the “Priest” was as excited and enthusiastic about the miracle of the Eucharist as he is about his Bubble Machine!!!
Interesting that the priest has to remind the people that he is reminding them. Liturgy done well is its own perfect pedagogy.
I've been to many of these services in the past. It's called being a protestant! Please do not water down the Mass to the point it ceases to be a Mass.
You say protestant? Ha ha ha compared to this I would at least go to their church.
At least they are reverent reading their Bible.
This is outright terrifying and it is sacrilegious and is definitely no Mass
is an eclectic horror show and trust me the devil is laughing it up because he’s got everybody in there delusional
The Protestants don't dare call it Catholic
"Let's hear it for bubbles?!?!?" What is this guy on????
Great Apostasy... We're witnessing it. TECHNICOLOR
What does playing with bubbles have to do with worshipping our savior?
Nothing.
Dude was getting excited over bubbles like a two year old.
This makes me so sad
He manages to do a clown Mass without even using makeup.
Did you notice that during the first reading the closed caption misspelled Pentecost as "Pentacost"?
I didn't notice. Good catch. I must admit, I learned how to spell "Pentecost" after spell check corrected me a few times!
@@JohntheSonofThunder I joked with a conservative priest friend that I was offended that the celebrant wasn't wearing a maniple. I'm a deacon in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. The only abuse liturgies here occur at the Religious Education Congress. My parish is OK.
The REC is definitely a wreck! That is good to hear that the liturgies in the Archdiocese are consistent, as that cannot be said for other dioceses...
@@JohntheSonofThunder I'm assuming so. As a deacon I stick to my own parish. I think we're glowing in the legacy of Cardinal McIntyre, who kept Vatican II suppressed as long as possible. ✝️✝️
If they want to entertain people they should do it AFTER mass and in the church hall not in the pews area (narthex?)
It's not even appropriate then.
Lots of irreverences and liturgical abuses.
When a priest replaces carrying crosses with Mr. Rogers Neighborhood plattitudes, you know the priest is a girley man.
The virtues necessary to attend one these table celebrations and stay til the end are patience, loyalty, long-suffering, and endurance. Also helps if you are blind and deaf.
This was not a Mass, it was a party.
A mass is a Mass and should remain a mass. A party with your parishioners is fine, but don't call it a Mass
Sorry, John I just can’t stand it. Liturgical abuses is putting it mildly. What a clown show. Lord have mercy! 😡
Protestantizing Catholicism.
The end of Mass should always be silent to allow for prayers of thanksgiving after receiving Our Lord. This belongs in the parish hall. So sad.
I understand your point, but it isn't even appropriate for the Parish Hall.
As a former protestant, why don’t they just be protestant
As a current confessional Protestant, even our liturgy is far more honorable to God than any Novus Ordo parody of Mass.
That being said, this Is Roman. This is the parody of Mass your own Bishop of Rome is pushing. Once he eliminates TLM, and excommunicates everyone refusing to embrace this Novus Ordo, there will be no one left to speak out against this style of heresy. But that’s ok! Rome has the Pope, so there is “unity” in Rome. And when the Bishop of Rome leads Rome to deeper into heresy, pray he doesn’t end TLM ex cathedra. If he does, the only liturgy any excommunicated Roman will find will be in a confessional Lutheran or Anglican/Episcopal church.
WOW! It's EXACTLY the way the apostles celebrated the Mass!!!! They always "manifested" with bubbles, dancing, and singing to the top ten of the 90's. Bless their hearts!
no doubt. you must be reading the Church Fathers.
To be fair, it's always the badly catechized boomers pushing stuff like this. This looks more like a non-denominational worship service than mass. The first parish I ever went to was sort of like this, and had I not decided to try out a different parish 30 minutes away, I probably would've never given the Church a chance.
I’m lucky to not have liturgical abuses at the novus ordo parishes near me
The bogus ordo itself *IS* liturgical abuse. It was the slippery slope that led to this.
“Are any of them Catholic?” To answer the question, no. Anyone involved in that production (I refuse to call that travesty a mass) should be excommunicated
We can't deny that this is a mass. That's what makes this whole ordeal so damn tragic.
edit: nah just kidding, just watched the consecration. damn
When did the Church go Evangelical trash?
I have signed (American Sign Language) the readings and the voice interpreter ( I sign and he voice) and we both genuflect before we step up the altar to the ambo. We bow after when the reading was done. We walk down from the altar, turn to face the altar and genuflect again before returning to our seats in the pews. I don’t see this interpreter doing any bowing or genuflecting. This interpreter is probably not Catholic.
God bless you for providing such a needed service as an interpreter,so many don't know that it requires fluency and so many years of hard study. I thought John's remark at 0:50 was very uncalled for and I feel for you
John also objected to the fact that the interpreter is there next to the altar. But the interpreter needs to be visible so the hearing impaired can see, right? It's a building with crap architecture anyway so I really don't see a better place where she can stand
There's nothing Catholic going on in this video.
I saw a comment recently from a guy who’s just started attending the RCIA however was having second thoughts because all he was seeing online was this type of in-fighting and squabbling.
I was baptised and brought into the Catholic Church this Easter, I’m very new to everything so I’m seeing these developments with fresh eyes and after having read several biblical passages for the first time in my life.
I’m being recommended video after video of whiny, disdainful commentaries of this type of mass where the priest goes off script or is trying a new format.
Do I understand your frustration? Yes.
Should mass be a reverent occasion? Absolutely.
Were there a type of people in biblical times who criticised and nit-picked when things weren’t done to the letter of the law? Yes, the Pharisees.
I’m not suggesting that it’s wrong to have a desire for mass to be celebrated reverently and in the correct manner, the vast majority want that too, however, we’re called to build up the body of the church. Each of us to contribute something to the cause.
Ask yourselves very honestly when you criticise these things via making a UA-cam video or commenting, spreading around this disdain, what is my motive here? How am I helping build up the body of the church? Am I loving my neighbour as myself? It doesn’t feel like there’s much love here.
Now, these videos do well in terms of engagement, I’m not suggesting people are jumping on a bandwagon for the sake of those views and engagement, I understand there is a genuine emotional reaction when we see a key part of our faith being made into light entertainment (I fully agree this shouldn’t happen), however, ask yourself how helpful is a UA-cam video versus how HARMFUL it may be? Seriously, consider the pros and cons that this type of content could have for our church. It won’t solve the problem, it will simply cause further disharmony and upset which is exactly what the enemy wants.
Satan the accuser is alive and well within all of this - he will be revelling in all of this nit-picking and criticism.
The guy I mentioned earlier was seriously considering walking away from God’s call to the RCIA because of one of these videos.
Within the past year I’ve encountered the letters of Paul for the first time and I have to say, some of his remarks about quarrelling and arguments are just as relevant today for our church.
Am I suggesting we should sugarcoat things and pretend it’s not happening? Absolutely not, however, I ask myself what is a more constructive approach that doesn’t echo the tones of the Pharisees we’ve so fervently been told not to imitate?
If I offend or upset anyone with these comments, that wasn’t my intention. My concern is with our church, e.g. how we can build it up and how to work towards unity, as we’re called to do.
Peace to all of you, God bless.
Oh so I suppose God the Father is a Pharisee for striking down and killing Aaron's two sons for offering strange incense He didn't ask for. Tell your wishy washy novel to St Nicholas who punched a dangerous heretic at a Church council. This trash in the video IS NOT CATHOLIC. Violations of the First Commandment are the worst offenses and abominable "worship" tops them all.
If that guy is considering walking away from RCIA, it's because he hasn't found the true Catholic faith, which isn't found in the bogus ordo.
I would not last in there for 15 minutes. This is the reason I only go to the old mass. Institute of Christ the King.
Imagine you’re on vacation. Maybe busting a sick family member. And you are trying to go to Mass and this church is the closest one you can find. You walk in and experience this. Do you get up and leave, or do you suffer through the whole thing? I think I’d have to get up, and not so silently leave
@PimpMyDitchWitch well truthfully just from what I saw, it looks like the shenanigans started from the very beginning. So who know
How does their bishop allow this??? I am baffled by this. If they tried this at my parish, my bishop would personally come to put an end to this (BTW, I am not in a very traditional diocese). This is a travesty. So sad! Lord have mercy!
Brothers and Sisters convert to Holy Orthodoxy
Not even good enough to be called a Protestant Service. I would have walked out and not come back.
In most of these liturgical abuse videos, the vast majority of the congregation seem to be baby boomers!
Of couse decrying violence will never venture away from Democratic talking points and address its real cause of moral nihilism, which the Church is uniquely capable of addressing but never will as long as it is dominated by progressive idiocy.
Bald and graying. Why i go to St John Cantius, Chicago
This has to be a mortal sin to attend these Masses. I hope watching this wiped out all my purgatory time
Tagolog is spoke in the Philippines.
People used to blame their stupidities on the devil. Now they blame the Holy Spirit.
Where is the Blessed Tabernacle? Jesus Christ isn’t the center? No statues of The Blessed Virgin Mary, St Joseph or the Saints?
This is just sad 😞
Your assessment of these liturgies is spot on with one exception.
Although I absolutely believe in the traditional Latin Mass and do not believe the naysayers about it being “so difficult to understand”; by the same token, and especially in the Archdiocese of Chicago, the languages spoken during the Gospel of Pentecost in the video are well represented languages here in the US - Spanish, Tagalog is the language spoken by Pilipino people, and Greek people are well represented in the Chicago area. Igbo is a language I admit is a language less well known, but is likely well represented by a community within the Chicago community.
IGBO.=Eebo is how it is pronounced. Nigerian Christian tribes. Tagalog is native language of Philippines.
+JMJ The Archbishop of Chicago may have excommunicated himself over this desecration and sacrilege. Pray for the apostate Cupich.
Don’t do this stuff at Mass! The music is enjoyable, but not for Mass! Rent a hall, do it in the parish hall for a fund raiser. Don’t call it worship. It’s not. As for the bowing to each other, it makes no sense. In NYC, there are TLM parishes where sermons may be given in languages other than English or Latin, to meet the needs of the specific community. This is not an innovation of VII. In NYC, parishes are traditionally drawn along ethnic lines. You can have a Latin Liturgy and then the sermon in say, Spanish, Korean, Chinese, Haitian, Ukrainian, Russian, Greek, Malayalam, and so on.
This “Mass” is just, CRINGE! So phony, contrived, put on. Ick!
What are those vestments 💀
GEE...great band. Very professional. Unfortunately, also, today it's all too catholic. But, still, a great band.
But the hierarchy suppresses the traditional Latin Mass in this diocese.
I would never go to this church. I'm Catholic.
I want to assist in the Holy sacrifice of the Mass.
If I wanted this nonsense I would've stayed protestant. I feel for these poor ppl. Mary wept & Jesus.
I heard one petition in our local church recently which went more or less like this;
'For all of those who suffer from homophobia and bigotry, may they be brought to understand the fullness of GODS creation' !
Can you imagine this, yet they managed to slip it in there. It has finished me with The NO as the agenda is becoming very clear now.
This isn’t even the worse I’ve seen from the Chicago archdiocese
What else have you seen?
@@nena200able a blessing with a guitar😂
@@sasquatchdonut2674 How so?
@@nena200able the priest literally makes the blessing sign of the cross with a guitar
@@sasquatchdonut2674 That's this same parish, of course, that had the guitar blessing.
Ey, Holy Father Francis and "Tucho" Fernández this is heresy!
I have visited many Catholic parishes in my neighbourhood and around the world and thankfully have never seen anything like this. And hope I never will.
This is so sad. Even some protestants are becoming more traditional than these so called “parishes.” This is NOT what Novus Ordo was meant to be.
Kyrie Eleison.
Man I’m glad moved out of Illinois. My god how does Blase let this slide 🙄
Where is Mary and Joseph? where is the stain glass? this is not a Catholic church it’s a knock off. It is a protestant church all the way through and a bad one at that!
I would literally run so far away from this place ... Like until my legs were numb and bleeding. Dear Lord have mercy on us.
Your disco ball needs polishing. Your liturgical team can't see themselves in the tiny mirrors.
They are reenacting what happened at the Tower of Babel. Modernists don’t understand that Pentecost one language was spoken and all understood in their own.
It's important to understand that this is who these people ARE. The music, the corny jokes, the emotional political general intercessions, the popular and praise music, the bubbles, the banner on the altar, the improvisation, the entire ethos and style and mode. This is BOOMERS. This is who they are. If you'll notice, most of these people who are dancing and enthusiastic are not going, but rather they are old. The person to blame for this is Blase Cupich, and ultimately "Pope" Francis. Either of them could stop this with the stroke of a pen or one phone call. But what a lot of commenters don't seem to understand is, even if you attend a TLM in some diocese that is "approved by Rome", you are expressing communion of faith and worship witn the people in this video. You are saying "I share the same faith as these people, and they share the same faith as me".
*are not young
David dance for the lord in Psalm
I’m guessing that the woman reading the intercessions was a Sister!
Is this mass or romper room?
Might as well become a Protestant 😂😂
Tagalog is the language of the Philippines 🇵🇭
Has this been done deliberately to show us something?
Well those posting the video are illustrating how phony and self-absorbed progressive Catholics are while they simultaneously denegrate Catholics who desire liturgies that worship God instead of ourselves.
I never once saw the tabernacle
This kind of thing needs to stop. What is wrong with the priests???
If you think this is very animated go check out Saint sabina's Church in Chicago 🤗
I think this group has been on other horror films
Why do people like this become priests
The priest is not following proper vestment, no cincture and stole. Altar table must be covered in white linen cloth as well.
that seems to be the least of the problems here....
The reason for the Passion of Jesus!
'shake it babe' an abomination.
oh good. the one guy is stripping
This is disgraceful.
This is disgusting.
What fresh hell is this 😮
all on the road to hell!!!
This is NOT Catholic!!! Its the counter-church. This is pretty terrifying to watch actually. Lord have Mercy on us!
Hey look at me!
Holy rollers
Cringe
Wow 😩😬😭
Amazing POPE John Son of Thunder your eminence.... By your amazing wisdom, you JUDGE them with your Papal Authority.... I ask that you excommunicate them through your Authority... please bless us with your papal blessing Pope John Son of Thunder 🤣
16:20 the priest at my church used to say that too: "the Mass never ends...it must be lived..." A slight bit of incongruity, in July 2019, he was exposed as a pederast and removed from the clerical state.
If you told me this was an Episcopal Church I wouldn't have blinked an eye.
As a former evangelical Protestant, I would not be attending any Catholic Mass of this kind! I attend the Novus Ordo as Latin Masses are scarce where I live. However, the Mass that I attend is totally opposite this. The song at the start was.written by a Christian band called Delirious? The song is I Could Sing Of Your Love Forever. When I was an evangelical Protestant, we sang this every Sunday morning.
I completely disagree with liturgical dancing also. I did enough dancing in church in my Protestant days and this sort of dancing was encouraged at the services I once attended.
Whenever I see liturgical abuse evident, I always ask myself if the parishioners truly believe in the Real Presence of Christ or not. I, for one, definitely believe in the Real Presence of Christ.
Why isn’t the sign language interpreter translating into all the languages? She is only signing ASL.
That's how you sign to convey the message to the Deaf. ASL is not English, Like Latin can't be transliterate verbatim. You interpret the message that is equivalent to the real message.
@@KarenJSim Yes, but there are other languages in sign language. I want to know why she was only signing in ASL, when the portions of the reading were in several different languages. Why didn’t she sign in other sign languages? It certainly would have been more inclusive.
@@josephbell3397Can you speak English, Spanish, Latin, German all at the same time to make it all inclusive? ? To Or little bit of English bit part here, then a little of bit Spanish part here, and so on?
I’m an altar server and I’m just disappointed and furious both at the same time! The deacon is wrong. The correct dismissal is, “The mass is ended, go in peace. Alleluia, alleluia”
Trying to give the best spin on the priest's use of the term "energy," I thought it might be possible that he was using it in a Byzantine "Palamite" way, but I HIGHLY doubt it.
The guy with the bubbles. That’s how my 5 year old nephew used to react to bubbles. He’s a little old for that now