How NOT to Hold Your Drum Sticks...
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You may already know the obvious ways NOT to hold your sticks. But are you aware of the hidden issues that can easily disguise themselves as good technique? That’s what we’re covering today! We start by discussing 3 grip problems to avoid, then we continue by learning the symptoms of bad technique. Learning how to diagnose issues with your hands is invaluable, so be sure to take these tips and apply them to your practicing and playing. From increasing speed on the drums and creating a smoother rebound, to increasing general comfort level and decreasing risk of injury, we’re covering all the bases today. How NOT to hold your drum sticks…
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Tension is the enemy of movement!
Lol, I was lucky enough to partecipate in a masterclass with Dom in december
At least ya get Tension points lol
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man, that pinky advice works tremendously, even after two days I already recognize a huge improvement after many years of doing it wrong!!
Dude..... This will probably help me more with doubles then any video on actually practicing doubles.... Thanks so much 🥁
Same...
Yeah doubles really show a bad a good grip. you cant get a loud as the first second stroke evenly space with a bad grip.
I had a very terrible hand technique and I was breaking stick left and right 😂😭😭 but this morning before going to church, I watch this video and I life changed forever in just few minutes🙌🏽🙌🏽 I played the whole service today and I didn’t break any stick 🥺🥺🙌🏽🙌🏽 I was using the most weak and cheap stick!!!!!! Thank you so so much, you have changed my life. God bless you!!! You have earned yourself a new subscriber!!
Thank you, this video has been very helpful. I have been struggling recently with stick control and speed, and your suggestions in this video have helped me greatly. :)
Holy smokes!!! This is precisely where my problem with the doubles is. I knew I was doing everything else right. Squeezing at the fulcrum too tightly… Just tried your technique and it made all the difference in the world. Now, I have to work on it! Great!!! Thank you 🙏🏻 👍👍👍
TY, I moved my right hand thumb down to the side a bit, and it gives me great natural rebound. I am working on maintaining control, volume, etc.. with the slightly new grip. So far 2 weeks in and its coming along well. I appreciate you covering some of the Basics !
Fantastic description by you. It’s really explains the basic.
You are SOOOO Absolutely right! You cover all the important pitfalls and very very well. Yes, this is sooo life & death important. ThanX !!!
Yeah this is a really good thing to always lookout for!. Thanks for the info!
Yes it helped a lot, thanks for your works
Thank you very much-until this video,I wasn`t aware why it was so hard with double strokes , mainly the left hand-I checked your tips,it`s a totally different drum-feeling.You`re a really excellent teacher -thanx.....
Thank you so much! Your videos help me a lot 🙏
Very grateful for this. Thank you!
Excellent info Stephen thanks 👍
Best video I've seen on hand technique so far
I wish I would have met you in 7th grade when I started band in school. Great video. 10/10 on this one. Drums and video!
Good video, back when I started drumming I held the sticks to hard and I would get big blisters! But now I haven't got any problems.
I believe the culprit for so many drummers playing with the pinky out is Spongebob Squarepants. While we’re playing we all have Patrick Star whispering in our ears, “When in doubt, pinky out!”
4:12-4:18
That's just my pinky propelling that and there's a lot of power there,so its definitely a useful finger...Make sure you're using it.
Thanks for the advice StePHen.
Always like learning better ways to better myself... I'll use that pinky.
Great vid and tutorial. Thanks much. Hey could you tell me what that beaded thing is on your snare drum?
Today is my second day drumming, and I was getting some pain in my right palm under my thumb. Hopefully following your advice prevents this haha. I work with my hands as an aircraft mechanic and can't afford more stress on my hands. ty
I'm always working on being loose while I play. Thanks for the reminder!
The tip about squeezing the stick too tight really helped man...thanks
This reminds me a lot of when Neil Peart went back to studying about halfway through his career. His instructor taught him how playing drums was a dance. Something you feel. I feel like this directly correlates with holding your sticks with just the right amount of pressure.
Good stuff . A lot to think about . I didn’t realize there are so many right and wrong ways to grip drum sticks . Good examples you covered it all thanks . I’m glad I don’t hold my pinky’s out when drum I would have to kick my own ass .for that. Thanks again your videos help a lot
Great video, thanks. I have a question… im a complete newbie (just got my first pair of sticks and a practice pad) and im trying to hold my sticks really loosely, but they keep slipping and rotating in our outta my hands 😅 then i try and hold them a bit tighter between thumb and forefinger, and i loose the rebound 🤷🏻♂️
Any tips in regards to this problem for an absolute beginner?
Thanks so much for the great channel! 🙏🏼
Cool new intro!
Thank you
Yeah, my right pinkie looks like tea time when I play.. But that's due to the fact that I broke a tarsal bone a few years back and it doesn't bend right anymore, it tucks under the ring finger by a good 10+ degrees. I can make it fit in line with the others, but man that hurts after just a few doubles.
Left hand pinky is out. That was my problem with doubles.
Kinda funny you don't notice a simple problem until someone points it out.
Thanks so much.
What about the slow tempo?
Should you do as little wrist movement as possible (using your fingers) or much more wrist movement?
You have control with marvelous technique. I watched a video of Tony Williams and he discussed stick control. Rabbit hole. So since then I have been trying to do everything with this thought. It is like trying to relearn something. It's a delicate balance. Some of it is how you tension your snare to get that rebound?
When playing accents, how do you suppress the rebound with the lighter grip described at 4:40? Like in the case where there's a note to be played by the same hand shortly after the accent (e.g. when playing quick single stroke 16th-note rolls w/ accents).
Base on your own experience how long did you spend in becoming faster on doing french grip dude
_ hoping for your best respond thanks
I need to focus on this...my fulcrum is too tight for sure.
I’m not a drummer at all. I’ve been playing rockband with my kids and I got calluses and my wrist were hurting. Thanks for the info
4:48 that's the biggest problem I have. I just can't hold it differently. I just feel so uncomfortable and imprecise holding it differently. I guess I'll just have to try and break the habit. Am I the only one with this problem? Does anyone have any tips for me? Thanks
Here's the thing if you know you're gripping the stick too tightly try to hold it loose in your hand and try to let it hit once on the drum or practice pad. Try to use only your back three fingers and if you are doing that correctly then you shouldn't be moving a whole lot. The way to really break that habbit is to try to do controlled doubles on each hand. You shouldn't be forcing the stick to fall, but it shouldn't be loose and uneven either. When you can control it you'll notice your fingers will feel comfortable and will be able to keep time doing multiple strokes. Keep practicing this and I hope I helped you out 😁😁😁😁🥁🥁🥁🥁
Good lesson Stephen as are all your videos. One thing bothers me here and that's how high your sitting in relation to the snare drum. I was taught to sit in relation to the snare drum so that my arms create an L shape when playing that drum. Also having the snare drum so low between your legs makes rim shots very difficult to play.
Any tip's for regaining my stroke after a double compound fracture to my left arm. My arm is a bit crooked after having a Chevy Cavalier land on it running about 60 mph. Really did a number on it.
Curious and desperate to regain control.
I have been trying to learn the middle finger as fulcrum, thumb toward bottom, and 'catch' rebound with last two fingers. Very hard for me with my weak hand. I can play much better with forefinger as fulcrum, thumb toward bottom and 'catch' with ring finger. Is this OK? or do I need to suck it up and practice the preferred method. Thanks. Love the channel man, you have given me a road map to getting serious about drumming.
Dude , how long i can really being faster in practising french grip im a Filipino citizen.whats your best advice for me on practising on it?how much it takes in a day or many minutes everyday i can practice it..
Appreciation of great answer thank you
I get what your saying with the "pinky out" thing; but personally when I play fast rolls especially on my snare, my pinky is out. I learned that from watching Jimmy Chamberlain. At the end of Cherrub Rock when he goes in his roll to close the song, he plays American matches grip... pinky out.
Just a question, when I hold the sticks loosely I do get a good bounce but the stick tend to roll in my hand and move forward. Do you actually pinch the stick?
I'll give it a shot. I think I pinch too hard at the fulcrum and am not symmetrical with my grips either 😬
Can I ask your thoughts on choosing to use your middle finger as your fulcrum point? I’m new to drumming (I play other instruments) but it looks like many professional percussionists and players who mainly use a french style grip use their middle finger as the fulcrum point. Any chance you could give your thoughts in a video or down here?
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I've never heard of using the middle finger as the fulcrum in French grip - at least, not French timpani grip with the elbows pointed out to the sides. As far as I know, the index finger and thumb form the fulcrum, and the middle finger controls the mallets. However, I didn't study a lot of timpani.
With German grip, Murray Spivack used to teach that the middle finger was the fulcrum. I didn't get to study with Spivack myself, but I studied with three different guys who did. I would never say Spivack's way is the only way, but considering all the heavy players who studied with Spivack, I'd say there's merit in that idea.
jC3drums hey thanks for sharing your thoughts with me on this!
I'm having a hard time gripping the stick. My left thumb keeps sliding causing my arm to shift and the stick moves around.
with regards to the pinky problem, is your pinky in constant contact with the stick? My problem is the fulcrum is there so that when the stick pivots, it naturally goes away from my pinky anyway. It's hard to keep putting my pinky on and off the stick with each stroke. I found my doubles are actually worse when I try to keep them on.
What should I do if the stick is sliding around in my hand and the place where my grip is changes.
Hey Stephen!
I have a problem with my sticks sliding forward when playing. Halfway through a song, I would be holding my sticks at the very end. I don't know if I'm holding the sticks too loose, or if there's another problem in my technique (or just really slippery sticks :-P).
Damn i have the same problem :/
I mean that's the only thing that could really cause your stick to slide unless your fingers are doing something funky and pulling or pushing the stick when you play. That sometimes happens to me and usually it's from playing real loose. But to fix it don't start gripping the sticks really hard go gradually until it feels like you have control but you arent causing all this tension in your fingers and hand
I had this problem after not being able to play for a good while. What I thought was a normal grip was too loose due to inactivity. I put a couple wraps of ½ inch bandage tape around my sticks right wear my fingers would lay against the tape and wouldn't slide past that. I did that for awhile until my natural grip came back.
Sort of like training wheels . . .
One of the problems I keep having is in my left hand(my non-dominate hand) when sometimes hitting my snare or going around the toms I will feel a bit of shock go thru my wrist. I'm trying to figure out the perfect grip I need to use for my left hand to be able to play fast and smooth without having to tighten up my hand or have to loosen it up so much but still have the wrong hand technique
play doubles on a pad left hand lead.
I always have the problem of if I grip loosely like you were showing; my sticks slip upward until I its at the end of the stick. What is your cure for that?
It sounds like you may not be holding it quite tight enough. There is a very happy medium. Also, you may be gripping under the fulcrum. Just a little bit of wrong weight distribution will affect your control way more than you would think.
A little grip tape might help.
I’ve been having issues when playing, that my hand fatigues and I lose my grip in my thumb… specially when I’m playing fast high driving songs
How do you keep your stick in place with a loose grip? My sticks move bacwards in my hand while I play fast repeated notes and I lose the fulcrum point .
I guess the French Grip is all the rage now. I use French Grip for reaching and would never use it for doubles, or just about any rudiments. You'll develop forearms that are thin with muscles on the edges of your arm. Eventually, the tendons by your thumb will overheat. Your loose grip will also chafe the inside of your hand. Who taught you to play with that grip?
In a cold sweat!
I try and try and try to hold the sticks like you teach, but I can NOT get any control over them. They either fall out of my hands or ride up and down the stick and I can't seem to get my fingers to control the rebound. UGH! I'm having a terrible time. HELP!!!!
Hey Stephen, What Vic Firth stick are you using?
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A rather silly question....
@@steveross8326 1) Why is that silly? Aren't there different kind of Vic Firth sticks? vicfirth.com/catalog/drumsticks/
You're on a "how not to hold drum sticks" video, which is very likely targeted at beginners. No silly questions then.
I have a snare book that explain how to use french grip.
A book about the thing you consider bad to do.......
I'm not sure what you're getting at when you talk about your pinky pointing outward when using French grip, because it wasn't - it was in a completely different position compared to your German grip example. If the pinky is truly out, there will be tension in the hand. That's the reason for keeping the pinkies in, not because you're supposed to use them when playing doubles...which you can do I suppose, depending on the technique, but it definitely was not how I was taught to play doubles. Push-pull doubles maybe, but not basic rebound doubles.
my pinkies and ring fingers stick out... is this bad? I can play fast triplets and paradiddles this way
I have a problem with my fingers developing a shiny slick surface where they contact the drumstick, making them extra slippery and causing me to waste a lot of energy in not losing them. It's not a technique problem because about 60% of the time, as a result of circumstances I have not been able to identify yet, I will not have that shiny slick residue on my fingers and I can play perfectly comfortably.
I have tried thoroughly washing my hands and cleaning the sticks (wiping them with a damp towel), and this residue will come right back. Does anyone know what it might be?
Ouch, I’m sorry I’m no help but hopefully you get the help you need
When you mentioned the pinky my grip was immediately ruined lmao
What if you have tiny hands?
But when you lose, does the mean the stick rotates on your hand?
I can't see the link to the pdf :(
I always hurt my right hand. And my left hand is always fine
Is your hi-hat 15 or 16"?
Damn, you gotta lotta drum sticks son!
Fulcrums
Never heard if the pinky sticking out
it helps so much
yes so
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sorry im 1
To me it looks like your snare drum is about 3 inches too low. Your arm has kind a weird angle when you hit it.
My technique is -kinda- odd I guess. My thumb very loosely rests against the side/underside of my first index finger knuckle, the index finger being loosely extended as the only one on each hand. I actually just hold onto the stick with my pinkie and ring fingers doing a relaxed little cradle around the sticks buttend, then the middle finger slacks a bit more downwards than pinkie/ring but is still high enough to stop the stick from just pointing downwards, and it also holds it up it against the arch that the tip of my thumb/first index knuckle is, which I use for guiding/controlling the vertical movement of the stick. Sounds odd and complicated but it came very naturally when I had to resort to mostly wrist playing when I developed tendonitis. Because my grip is so relaxed and I don't use my fingers, my tendons seemingly like this way a lot more.
I hold my sicks loosely and it keeps sliding. And it doesn't rebound.
also do How to Hit a Cymbal without getting cymbal bites.
Make the angle you hit the cymbal at smaller
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Videos like this is proof that a lot of teachers aren't teaching their students properly and are just taking the students money
I like to play fast but then it hurts my hand and it just burns
I always hold butt of stick cos I don't like stick bouncing into side of my hand.
I hold my drum sticks the way I hold a pencil and I didn’t know how f it is the right way
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Drummels
Don’t know how that’s possible if your playing John Bonham or Neil Peart they pound the crap out of their drum. Your holding the drum sticks very delicately. Not possible with the way those guys played. And when your drumming to them, pretty hard to do that.
Hold the drumstick the way you are most comfortable with
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Oh geez, hold it however you feel comfortable. Lol don’t do this, don’t do that, hold it like me or it’s wrong, lol
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at no point in this video did you use correct hand technique. Info is decent but execution was not.
I really disagree with everything you are saying, especially your foot technique. Yes everything you say is true in certain situations but makes it impossible to adapt to other situations. Correct and "incorrect" way to do things is really REALLY subjective. If your stuck in your ways and the style of music that you play then yes there is only one way to do things. Correct and incorrect is a form of self validation for people who cant do it any other way.
actually your increasing rebound and fulcrum with pinky out. Ex: jimmy chamberlin great drummer VERY FAST AND EFFORTLESS PLAYER
Once you see how keith moon held his sticks you realise it's irreverent
My guess is that you are talking to beginners correct? I have watched million different videos on how to hold your drumsticks with all due respect days are totally fruitless and they do not apply to all situations or to all drummers. Take a look at some of the old grades Don Brewer Bonham and others. If you're playing jazzy kind of controlled easy music maybe your information is applicable to new drummers. But try to play hard rock and roll where's your techniques and see what you get again with all due respect I would not waste 8 minutes on trying to teach Old Pros how do you hold drumsticks properly. I've been corrected by drummers who really don't have a clue. I played in high school band join the band in the 10th grade I was section leader in the 11th grade. I was talk by my brother about 10 to 12 years of age how to play and how to hold the drumsticks in his instructions were to use the wrist and from that the Reds came easy everything you're talking about dude it's like first riding a bicycle. Once you go down that Hill a couple of times and you scrape your knees you learn how to turn the handlebars and use the brakes easily. I'll give you a c plus on your efforts. Have fun. By the way I'm severely crippled and that's why I say I'm messing around a lot because I'm trying to rehabilitate my body so I can play at least 80% of my potential potential right now I'm only at about 50%. Thank you and message me if you have any feedback
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I have a snare book that explain how to use french grip.
A book about the thing you consider bad to do.......