They Might Ban Gouging Fire. But Why?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 4 бер 2024
- Pokemon Competitive Singles has been turned on it's head with the release of the "Indigo Disk" DLC. Gouging Fire has been one of the most successful new Paradox Pokemon, and a popular choice in OU. With recent adaptations to it's greatest checks and its strain on teambuilding, some wish for it to be banned from the format.
A suspect vote is currently underway to determine the fate of Gouging Fire, the all new Paradox Entei Form. What do you think should be done?
Outro Music by Pete S:
open.spotify.com/track/1x5XyA...
Suspect Thread:
www.smogon.com/forums/threads...
Iron Mugulis and Iron Fellow know all about it.
Only Jim knows about the viability of Gouging Fire. All other sources of information are liars and are inaccurate.
Become a Patron if you want.
/ jimothycool
Check out my Showdown Gameplay channel!
www.youtube.com/@jimothygamin...
/ jimothycool
/ discord
Some will never figure out how to get Gouging Fire in Pokemon Scarlet and Pokemon Violet. But famous player Jim Cool is well aware of the Best Gouging Fire Moveset in Competitive, and even how to Gouging Fire Shiny Farm. Many aren't and never will be. That's just the unfortunate reality of the world.
Arceus exists.
The below text is very relevant to many people.
Game Freak just blew all other online game development schools out of the water with this incredible new 2022 release. You're gonna need to get a game design degree online, and FAST, if you want to make a better game than this. Not even the best strategy games android reddit could hold a candle to this breathtaking Next generation competitive Pokemon experience.
Scream Tail is the Jigglypuff of our wildest dreams. It has been buffed with some higher statistics and the incredible ability, Protosynthesis. Gen 9 Competitive Pokemon wouldn't be the same without this powerful pink blob. He kinda looks like someone I met in one of my game design and development courses.
Gen 9 Pokemon Showdown is one of the greatest online gaming sites in history. From Pikachu and Charizard, to Palafin and Roaring Moon, The new Pokemon games, Pokemon Scarlet & Violet, have introduced a lot of new faces. Can I succeed in one of the best android games of all time? If so, I'm gonna get myself a Walmart bakery Pokemon cake to celebrate.
Gholdengo is a Pokemon made of pure gold. He must have done some online business management courses to accumulate all that wealth. Or perhaps he might want to learn how to make money playing video games on UA-cam. In any case, he's a powerful metagame force, with absolutely no interest in online game development schools.
#competitivepokemon #pokemonshowdown #scarletandviolet #gen9 #thetealmask - Ігри
Jim's Adventures in China - www.youtube.com/@jimothysjournal8714/videos
Outro Music by Pete S - open.spotify.com/track/1x5XyA7jac3Hv8ha0ra76G?si=6aZiwsiVSPSCP1-Bq89b-w
Jim's Good Mugs - jimothycool.com/
Does the outro music link for anyone? It's bringing me to a completely different song and I'm not sure why
"Wake up, it's time for the weekly ban video"
"Yes honey"
Gouging Fire is my favorite Fairy, Water, Fire, Ground, Dragon, Ghost, Flying, Grass pokemon.
And kingambit is my fav dark, steel, fairy, normal, grass, fire, water, rock, ground, flying, fighting, poison, psychic, dragon, ice, ghost, bug, electric type
@@kaynor1260serperior is my favorite stellar type
Ain’t no one using tera rock kingambit
Even less so for ice tera
@@WhatIsMyPorpoise it’s a joke
This dog's day might just be over, folks
Not every dog has it's day😢
The sun is setting to the lion of flame...
We should have listened to Florence + the machine
Its a lion dragon. Raikou is also definitely not a dog
More like a sabertooth dragon tiger
Gholdengo : *is getting every of his counter suspect test*
Also Gholdengo :
Finch is singlehandedly allowing Gholdengo to stay in the tier.
Meh, It isnt that much of a problem rn, hazards are not as bad as they where in dlc1 and the tier is full of dark types, a gholdengo suspect would be better by the end of the generation when every other broken things has been suspected
@@zdelrod829Yeah sure It's evil dictator finch and not the community voting It low on every survey
@@xham-ik9yr I'm being a smartass, like how Finch made the extremely poor take about sleep.
@@xham-ik9yr : Or, how many things in the meta are currently broken because of Gho? I think people are underestimating how much Gho defines and warps the OU metagame. The fact that UU and UUbers play so similarly (and are way more fun than their "main" counterparts) because both of them are lacking Gho and good hazard stackers/spinblockers is very informative. Gho is a problem, but for some reason the OU council refuses to acknowledge it.
clearly the fault lies on hatterene who is jealous gouging fire has a greater hat
Paradox Hattarene AKA Walking Hat
Rain went away because of the Arch ban so now sun teams are back and so now we are banning Gouging Fire, gen 9 OU is like a house of cards
This is truly Cretaceous Crest’s curtain call, crying currently
Gouging Fire might be banned before Gholdengo. This is insane, folks
we've been saying this about pokemon for a year...... one day....
Gholdengo check/counter not getting banned challenge beyond impossible+
Gholdengo at it again with his Nasty Plot, he must be stopped once and for all
How could this happen. This is bad.
I egree
One night even say that It's. . . insane.
Going for suspect rex; undecided on what I’m going to vote. It feels pretty dumb when you lose a game because you sacked your setup gouging counter to a banded gouging, or when you predicted tera steel and got smacked with tera fairy.
But I feel like this is a symptom of a larger problem. With no tera reveal, you’re playing a guessing game the entire match no matter the Pokémon (val is another example of a stupid tera abuser that has no check until you know the set). Hoping they retest tera and @ least let it be revealed on team preview. Deducing the set and the mons you need to keep to play around it and it’s teammates would make the game a lot more competitive imo
Yeah, how many of the "broken sweepers" are broken because people predict the wrong Tera type???
I mildly disagree. What about pre-gen 5 competitive where you had absolutely 0 information about a Pokemon until they sent it out? You could be playing a perfect game but if that last mon isn't what you thought it was you could very easily just lose. Deducing sets using game knowledge/experience is just as skill expressive as being able to play around them imo.
Pokemon has always had some element of multiple choice and while VGC can compensate for the lack of it through the sheer volatility of having 4 Pokemon in play at once, in singles I think something like open team sheets would turn battles into matchup fishes
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 pre-gen 5 did not have Terastal nor the insane powerlevel of current gen. Terastal is a huge problem and it should have been banned a long, long time ago.
I was a tera defender but at this point where like 80% of the banned pokemon are banned because of tera, I'd say it's definitely not a healthy thing for OU
The odd thing is like most people don't want to see Tera banned according to surveys, and it's not even the supermajority to want Tera affected in some way. To that I say "why?"
I sometimes have to sit back and think of how GameFreak removed Pokémon, moves, and prevent some Pokémon from learning moves that they used to get for "balancing" and then release Pokémon that would dominate any of the best Pokémon from the previous 20+ years on what feels like a weekly basis.
my favorite quote on this channel to date
"Chien Pao, my favourite Weavile pokemon"
The worst offender clearly was Flutter Mane, terrorizing every format, official and non official.
Maybe because paradox Pokemon are supposed to be strong 💀?
Any Pokémon, Paradox or not, can be strong without being overwhelmingly oppressive to the rest of Pokémon ever created(even without the needless Dex and move restrictions).
Not every new strong boxer has to be prime Mike Tyson in a suit of spiked armor with a metal baseball bat. But when like 40+ "Literal Iron Mike's" are put in the regular circuit(which is now restricting some foreign and veteran boxers and the techniques that each accepted boxer specifically is allowed to pull off in the ring), each with their own new unique weapons(not even mentioning the ability to change their armor instantly with a secret hidden button that counters separate and entirely different boxing styles), *every* person in the boxing world is not having a good time.
I've always been a competitive pokemon fan and even topped the OU ladder a few times in Gen 6, but seeing how many bans and suspects in this gen makes me tired of seeing the Sisyphean task it is to make it a truly balanced competitive game
oh god the quote comments are already here..
So called free thinkers when they see someone quote Jimothy Cool (they must continue the trend. Nobody knows why and how it started)
This is insane
I love them lol
It's nickyheart's notorious nasty nihilism, folks...
@@Gold_Gamer_100it’s free engagement on any topic, guaranteed, for the channel we love.
Deoxys-Speed fell to UU because you're right, hyper offense fell off. If you want a hazard setter, you would use Hisuian Samurott or Glimmora
I'm a vgc player, I don't play singles. I've been watching u since last year
i know gen 3 OU inside and out now despite having never played a single game of it in my life
@@Lumix_Corrupttruer words have never been spoken
I’ve been trying to learn VGC but I have been having trouble.
Because the playerbase probably felt that banning the generation's signature mechanic AGAIN for standard play was a bit of an overreach.
Yeah. Very least they can do is disclose Tera types in team preview.
I mean the power difference between Tera and Gigantamax were massive. Changing typing and getting STAB is very strong, don’t get me wrong, but doubling your health, getting stat boosts on moves, setting up weather on moves, and other crazy stuff was too much. It’s also boring, because you only have 19 moves to choose from when Gigantamaxed (1 per type) and that’s it. Every Fire type move is the same, every Water type move is the same, so on and so forth. It was stupid.
That was like a year and a half ago
@@boot-4704the problem isn’t power, it’s *predictability*.
While you can’t tell what Pokémon will D-max, you should have a really good idea of what moves they’ll have, how to resist them, and how to still deal massive damage back. Tit for tat you can D max in the face of D max to handle it. It still led to really boring gameplay, but it had an element of randomness not really out of line with the rest of the franchise.
Tera is a much bigger problem because of its DEFENSIVE properties. Getting a tera right and resisting an attack you were previously weak to is actually mathematically better than a turn of Dmax. But it could also max it’s offense. It could tera into any number of resists, that you have no way of knowing. Tera reliably has the ability to cause a game winning move in the early game just off of a bad prediction, to a point that usually gets pokemon banned.
I do think gf is too broken, but this tier would have been a lot better if some people didn't vote no action on tera for no reason
And now the qualified player will never have a majority action on tera because most of them are used to it, while many good players who don't like tera just stopped playing gen 9
I mean are you really upset that the people who play the generation like how the generation plays?
yes bc it's random bullshit that encourages gimmicks to win
Hold on a minute, Deoxys-Speed has ended up in UnderUsed? And I thought a few of the class psuedo legendaries ending up below OU was crazy.
I definitely think I agree with revealing Tera types. Heck, maybe even migrate to an open team sheet if necessary.
wait until you hear what happened to Deoxys-Defense
@@skeletorthebest7204we don't talk about that
You know when VGC has more restrictions on Tera than smogon this is a bizarre metagame lol.
@@skeletorthebest7204Deoxys defense was never good
Pseudo
Gouging fire will be gorging himself no longer if he's banned, how will life go on?
It really feels like Smogon is trying to build a balanced game out of something that is just... innately broken. The power creep of this gen is off the walls, and Tera is a comically overpowered game mechanic.
You can rightfully blame Game Freak, but I think that Smogon has some responsibility here. The rigid attitude towards balance was set up in previous gens, when these games have always been a bit BS. (Even the beautiful Gen 3, folks)
Gen 9 is the game that got me to finally try VGC, where so many broken mons are running around, you legit cannot fit them all on one team.
It can be annoying and downright degenerate at times, but it does create a chaotic playground that feels more honest to how unhinged and silly the franchise has gotten.
I don't hold the premise of Smogon tiering in contempt, it just feels like it missed the mark this time.
Smogon have sadly always been very hasty to ban, restrict or add clauses
I’m totally with you though - Ive found VGC a lot more enjoyable this gen; it’s just less effort to teambuild within the regulations and ends up more fun ebcause of it
I mean, Anything Goes exists.
Sometimes it feels like the community saw Kingambit, Gholdengo and Great Tusk and decided "this is gonna be g9 meta until it's done".
Seeing Gouging Fire get banned from formats like AAA and NatDex monotype, it getting a subject test in OU doesn't shock me
I really want a theory craft meta game from you Jimothy about how you would arrange the meta game if you had total design of it- could be a good long style vid
yes pls!
Hope you’ve been having a lovely vacation. Missing the daily Jim Gaming videos already.
Honestly, not surprised. Yet another pokemon that Tera pushes over the edge. I mean, sure, there's other factors at play here, but I feel like the real issue is the ability to either Tera fire to boost its damage to insane levels, or defensive teras letting it evade status/gain immunities to certain checks. Look at the ban/remain thread on smogon, CTCs best argument is that you can bring two pokemon like Gliscor and Alomomola to bait out its Tera and counter it. If your best argument is that someone has to dedicate a third of their team to countering one mon, you already know you're hitting the copium. Tera action would've let us avoid all of this, but nope, we'd rather ban 10+ mons that could otherwise remain in OU no problem.
the reason that this might be banned its because counters gholdengo and kingambit, and they would never let a counter to these 2 to be ou.
The Gen 9 ban list is gonna be bigger than some entire gen's whole roster
Wake up babe new Jimothy vid dropped
This channel's comment section is a golden treasure
As for Gouging Fire, even though I know there are more experienced players who know better than me, I'd like for it to stay nonetheless, it's a fun mon all things considered, like who else plays Breaking Swipe? But my opinion is a bit biased so take it as you will
No offense, but those players who're more experienced than you are playing Breaking Swipe lol. It's an incredibly powerful set that can quickly snowball
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 I know that's what I said: Do you know another mon who seriously use Breaking Swipe? Although I may have worded it in a weird way, sorry for the confusion
Ik a kind of defensive roaring moon that uses breaking swipe. Think it uses booster energy to proc speed and has a bit of defensive evs. Idrk.
@@cumputer8820there's a stall roaring moon set that uses breaking swipe
I've never seen that Roaring Moon set, looks interesting
New video idea
"They might ban me, but why?"
Can you talk about the rise of landorus next ?? And maybe the fall of previous OU / UU mons like infernape gyarados etc
This gen has banned so many mons, like my goodness
I mean It's normal since It has the most power creep since gen 5 and 3 batches of new pokemon instead of 1
@@xham-ik9yr this gens power creep makes gen 5’s power creep look weak
I've missed you Mr. Cool.
I think it's healthy because it made me rethink my strats
I center around Unawares like Dondozo and Clodsire as more passive defensive walls
(Waterfall, Curse, Sleep Talk and Rest on Dozo principally)
And for the DD + Breaking Swipes set I got forced to drop Sleep Talk and start using Body Slam of Dondozo, and now I'm having tons of fun!
As someone who doesnt play competitive, I think they should do something like a test ban, where they ban a pokemon (or two) for about a week to see if it was actually bad for the metagame or not. If its better, they unban. If its worse, it stays banned.
That way we actually get to see how much they actually shape the game for better/worse.
Of course it should still end in real competitive players voting on whether the ban should stay, but itd let people who disagree experience why it should stay unbanned or vice versa.
"Guys look! This pokemon can two-shot a bulky resist with tera and then sweep!"
"That's like, the 12th pokemon you've considered banning for that reason."
"Yeah, cause that makes it damn near imposible to answer!"
"Have you considered the issue is the commonality between them and not entirely the pokemon themselves?"
"... What do you mean?"
"Tera, tera is a pro-"
"bUt It'S tHe SiGnAtUrE uNiQuE mEcHaNiC oF tHe GeNeRaTiOn!!!!!1!"
That is so accurate
They should ban Tera in my opinion. gen 8 is my fav gen despite not having signature mechanic.
blud really forgot about dynamax 💀
dynamax was banned in smogon's OU tier @@powerbolt2846
@@powerbolt2846Dynamax got banned so fast that it's not surprising people forgot it
I think this might be Entei's best gen yet. With his ancient ancestor being good in both OU and VGC plus Entei himself has been getting good VGC usage. I'm glad to see the most unviable of the Legendary Beasts finally get good.
Can you also do one about the suspect on Miraidon?
With that rhythim we will see the start of Uber RU.
breaking swipe actually was the main reason i lost 1v1 in a pp stall endgame with dondozo to gouging fire. i was pretty surprised at how effective it was
Me too. Debating putting curse back on dondozo to counter
@@danielsmith5032 Curse doesn't counter it at all. Breaking swipe has 24 pp while Curse only has 16 and the DD + BS set run Bulky Gouging Fire so Dozo is legit turned from a wall to a set up food that can't heal reliably
@@danielsmith5032you gotta run body press
The name Gouging Fire somehow reminds me of Ceaseless Discharge in terms of naming conventions. They don't really sound like names at all, more like it's describing what's going on around them.
Most of the past paradox forms are like that
Still want to see OU without Tera... might not lose because of a random tera type on a random turn that invalidated the check/counter/revenge killer I had planned on using.
Same
jim how's iron crown rn is it good or is it mid
Not great I think.
It's a lot better in Doubles tho. Excellent Expanding Force user.
It’s actually seen some new usage recently with an AV Future Sight + Volt Switch set when paired with scary physical attackers. It’s still not amazing, but it’s very viable at least
I always thought Gouging Fire was the strongest of the 6 new paradox forms. I think its typing is excellent and giving both Snarl+Breaking Swipe to such an excellently bully pokemon cant be fair.
Wait, how’s the ATK drop from Breaking Swipe affecting Body Press? 🤔
It doesn’t, Body Press uses defense stat to calculate damage
he misspoke when reading that gouging fire uses this move + tera ghost to check it, as tera ghost counters body press, not breaking swipe
This must be an old money scheme to once again dominate the gen 9 ou metagame, since the moderation has already been taken over by iron mugilus, with iron fellow soon to join forces with both. This is insane
How does breaking swipe help vs Dozo? Wouldnt unaware ignore the drop?
I think Unaware only takes into account enemy stat changes.
Now THAT'S surprising. I think Gouging Fire is a very sick Pokémon, both design-wise but also for its amazing versatility.
It can be difficult to deal with it sometimes, but I don't particularly see it as overpowered?! I genuinely think it's a healthy addition to the metagame, and it can fit in any play style, from offense (Dragon Dance with or without Booster Energy, and Choice Band with or without Sun, although it's MUCH deadlier in the sun. 2HKO'ing Dondozo is INSANE, LOL) to stall (since it gets moves like Burning Bulwark and Morning Sun, which heals a lot more in the sun).
Tera obviously makes things more complicated, but I don't really see it as overpowered? Maybe I'm just wrong, but we'll see what happens. I'm shocked this is getting suspected, honestly. I'm probably expecting a 30-40% ban percentage (AKA not enough).
Not gonna lie I’ve had too many games against a Gouging Fire that I had to hope the opponent Tera’d into something I could hit while surviving a +2 or +3 attack. Something and a half is always going down to Gouging fire
Me might get gta 6 before gholdengo gets banned holy shit
I gotta agree that a lot of issues with this Gen stem from Terrastalization. It surprised me as well that no action at all was done to such a centralizing mechanic. Ultimately, the public wants to keep the flagship mechanic of Gen 9, and while I do respect wanting the metagame to keep such a core mechanic, considering almost every Mon that has been suspected, banned or even put on the radar has had Tera be one of the reasons for them being overbearing, makes me question if a singles OU metagame with Tera allowed so freely will ever find balance.
If you told a day 1 Gen 9 player that Gouging Fire would get banned before Gholdengo, they say "what the heck is Gouging Fire?" Really makes you think
As someone who mostly doesn't play Pokemon but checks in on the scene now and then every time i see one of these videos i ask why they haven't banned terra yet when to my outside perspective it seems to be the greatest common denominator in these suspect tests
It got a suspect and 58% voted action on It but It wasnt enough, if It got to 60 we would have open Tera like vgc but that doesn't solve all of the problems, currently only 56% of the general playerbase and less than half of the qualified playerbase want action, only 28 percent want ban
People were unwilling to pull the trigger on the Cool New Generation-Defining Mechanic back when they had the chance, and now people are used to it so they won't get rid of it.
The thing with the Tera test is it happened ridiculously early in the gen, and the test happened before the simulator was even satisfactorily accurate as far as I was concerned. I remember doing my best to climb that test, and running into a few bugs like Glimmora's Toxic Debris triggering on non-contact moves. In essence, we really should have been given more time to see and experience Tera before making a decision, or at the least, we should be retesting that community decision every so often as Gen 9s ridiculously volatile meta keeps shifting.
I wanted no action at the time precisely because Tera as a whole has so many permutations and options that I felt questioning it so early was a mistake. Problem is. For some reason. Smogon despises the idea of a grace period of say six months to a year before reasking certain questions. This may be why King Gambit isn't getting further tests. I didn't even know it had had a test. That one slipped past my radar. And with Tera, I'm currently of the mind that Tera Blast specifically should be banned, because there are more than a few pokemon who I was surprised to see action on, and the biggest difference often came down not specifically to tera as a whole, but to the way tera can shift into a type that nullifies a weakness while Tera Blast also immediately gets turned into a super effective move for some sort of counter. Regileki and Volcorona are great examples. The ability to change their type would be nice but not what I call game breaking, and it only really does so since it expands their limited movepool through Tera. Regileki going Tera Ice would mean nothing if Tera Ice didn't give it a way to destroy the ground types that completely shut it down before, while Volcorona was always kept in check not just by it's typing but by the fact there were like... 5 maybe 6 viable offensive moves for it.
Archaludon Rain took over last month so less people used Deo-S cuz barraskewda outspeeds it
I think that there is a simple solution to problematic meta staples such as Great Hat, Gholdengo, and Kingambit: We unban arena trap, and let Dugtrio go crazy once more
Archeludon could have kept it in check lmao. If only they banned something else like damp rock.
I feel like they could have just banned electro shot, and made arch not really synergize with rain
Its a signature move for it, so it wouldn't affect any other pokemon, and its the entire reason it was good with rain to begin with, outside of rain arch is a respectable and really cool option. The stealth rock + dragon tail sets were my favorite
Gouging Fire might be getting banned from Gen 9 OU folks, but why?
He couldnt help it, he got that dog in him
I'll be voting no ban because I'm on a mission to ruin the tier until Tera is banned.
Incredibly based tbh
I like Bug on Gouging Fire. While its not as solid as Fairy, it completely turns Ground types like Gliscor and Great Tusk into setup fodder, especially in conjunction with Substitute and / or Breaking Swipe. Bulky DD Breaking Swipe is the go to set for bulky offensive teams because it acts both as a defensive backbone and a solid wincon.
Ngl I tot you would talk about the Lando T's rise in usage
im basically in the same position as jim, i've stopped following gen 9 ou and only play gen 3 or gen 9 random battles, but i also like him think tera is really getting old. every single time a new pokemon gets introduced ppl say it's broken, and when asked why they say it's too hard to guess the tera, or tera allows it to beat its counters, but still want to keep tera and ban the pokemon. i get that tera is cool in theory, and in tournaments with very high level mindgames it can be interesting, but the three fundamental ways it affects the game are either greatly enhancing the brute force of a wallbreaker to delete switch ins, making your defensive mons unbreakable, or creating a guessing game when a versatile threat can have 5 different teras, and all of those things create uninteractive gameplay where you often win or lose based on a coin flip. we've had to ban so many pokemon thanks to tera that we literally had to make a new tier under ubers and we still haven't done a thing about it, even if we revealed it at preview it would still just be annoying. i wouldn't care about chien pao being ou if i could ohko it with scizor's bullet punch and not have it randomly turn into a fire type to resist then ohko my hard counter, stall wouldn't be anywhere near as annoying in such an offensive meta if the stall player couldn't use tera to patch up their weaknesses in the matchup, and if it weren't for offensive tera then stuff like gouging fire and roaring moon would be doing like 50% less damage and i could switch into them
Gouging fire fans when I switch to air balloon Dachsbun
I don't have any horses in this race - or any other involving SV OU as I haven't played it.....
But this suspect seems to have something in common with all others: the "it's fine if it doesn't Tera" argument.
I'm going to just leave that there.
Breaking Swipe makes me think an ancient Scyther - Swiping Slice - or what have you as a dragon bug with technician would be sick
Or just a new mon with that typing and ability which would be better imho but GameFreak likes making new Scythers so why not have another?
Basically I just want a cool dragon bug fellow, its been 30 years and there are literally several dragonflies that are inexplicably not dragon bug types
Gen 9 OU finally has that dog in it, but they want to put it down
I feel like you're underselling its power level, especially in a threat saturated metagame where it requires multiple different mons to check it and even has sets that cannot be walled. It's a cool mon, but there are way too many mons that need multiple answers right now.
Garg always comes when the Meta settles down especially when rain died down curse n protect sets are good rn and also obviously helps check vs breaking swipes sets if garg is tera fairy curse. Also breaking swipes doesn’t affect the damage you take from body press.
This just in, folks: Gouging Fire might be just a little too outstanding in their field
Genuinely surprising that i actually think that it's less broken than kingambit of all mons, my main issue is that it doesn't care about will o wisp and once it sets up it is absurdly hard to deal with, which isn't the case as much for other setup sweepers
It’d make more sense to suspect reshiram and zekrom in OU for April fools than banning goobing joint lighter.
Zekrom obliterated Ubers UU during its time there, that thing isn’t touching OU
He's out gouging in his field, folks
this is why age gives you wisdom, the wisdom to be a suspect
Between this and the fact that Lugia is being considered for OU, this really has been Gen 5 OU all over again
Eh I don't think It's seriously being considered, It's just like 5 ppl asking for It and Idk if they are trolling or not
@@xham-ik9yr those who say it in a serious tone are about as skilled as you think they are. And even if Lugia was dropped to OU I doubt it would fix much, if at all
Wait lugia Is being considered for ou?damn im truly out of loop with sv,where can i check the lugia thing?
I really don't think it's ban worthy but I am a curse Garganacl enjoyer.
Yeah, every Ghold and Gambit counters must be banned
One more step towards banning them 😂
Post elo
@@waves9515yea they won’t, they don’t get that suspect tests and (almost) all bans are a decision of the community, not someone’s ill will
@@waves9515trueee. They probably 1100’s 😂😂😂
Generalist mons are always either garbage or meta dominating, I feel
Personally, I feel like Gouging Fire is pretty susceptible to phasing, but it seems like phasing moves are a lost art these days.
I don’t think I am going to try for reqs because I don’t feel too strongly one way or the other, but I’m probably leaning towards no ban
It’s the fault of the 1630+ Cabal that are all plotting together to keep Gholdengo unbanned
People are saying Mega Charizard Z is coming for Legends Z-A... but here it is.
I hope we get an ice type version of bulwark thay freezes
For me, no ban, and ban Goldhengo
Nah, this thing is so ridiculously threatening when it just plops down on the field, and neutral to ice and fairy. Having to use a ground or a rock type is annoying since it’s so physically defensive and has breaking swipe. Dragon type moves are an odd choice for some teams, and usually not a part of coverage options. Even king gambit isn’t as annoying to deal with as this since gambit you have to set up a little bit. This belongs with Ubers 100%
Gouging Fire is an awesome name, it's a reference to how its fake fire mane is actually a set of blades.
O, U didn't know about it earlier? RU crazy?! This is insane, folks.
Gouging fire is balanced they said. it will be fine they said
Its over for Great Hat folks....
Never thought about it, but yeah, gouging doesn't seem to be something fire does...
Searing fire?
Scorching flame?
Blazing inferno ?
Just ideas
Gouging Fire has done NOTHING wrong he just has a Cool Hat
Breaking Swipe is my favorite paradox Pokemon
Jim is fucking BACK BABY!!! HELL YES GODDAMMIT!!! Lets see some Gen 3 asswhoopins!
Jmothy cool is now bigger than ever.
How does breaking swipe stop body press
That's an error from Jim
can you cover the miraidon suspect, that's fun
For some reason, it’s still affects the damage you do. I’ve had it happen countless times against my dozo.
I thought to myself “because body press is based off my defense, breaking swipe shouldn’t do anything.” But I was wrong
@@danielsmith5032 u sure that's just not from damage rolls
@danielsmith5032 breaking swipe reduces your attack. Body press uses your defense stats.
I wonder how all of the currently very strong/banned mons are going to play if we ever get another game without gimmicks. Just standard pokemon battles at the core.
First question: do you count Booster Energy a gimmick?
@@blueskyalchemist623 booster is an item, so I wouldn't call it itself a gimmick. Are white or power herb a gimmick, or life orb, choice band?
These items exist for a reason. These gimmicks exist for a single title(except megas and Z moves), but the items last more than just the one generation.
@@leafyisnthere9396 it depends on how you perceive it, because Mega stones are technically items too.
If Booster Energy is removed next gen and most quark up mons are almost a Pokemon without ability without field condition, maybe some Past Paradox forms can still be broken (Wake, Gouging…) but more manageable.
If Booster Energy is added, they will still be broken. Val can still outspeed most of the tier and cause a headache about its set. Roaring Moon still does Roaring Moon things. Flutter Mane and Iron Bundle will still be broken, yada yada.
@@blueskyalchemist623Mega Stones are items, but they were the gimmick, like how Z-Crystals were the gen 7 gimmick. The gen 9 gimmick is terastallization, not booster energies. Yes, booster energies work as a gimmick, but thats how most items or abilities work in general.
@@leafyisnthere9396 I mean, Booster only works on a set of specific mons just like Mega stones, so I figure they are also a part of gen 9 gimmick?
“They might ban Gouging Fire. But why?”
Because any mon that does something cool and isn’t Kingambit or Gholdengo is a threat.
Ok but post Elo
Let’s see that elo, big dog
@@waves9515 As an outside observer, it seems kinda sus that you guys respond this way
@@Wayte13I don't think it's a great argument but I do get why it's used.
So often on UA-cam you have people complaining about both Ghold and Gambit yet it's clear they don't understand how the system works and many people don't even play gen 9 on smogon.
Asking for your Elo is a clear way to show how much understanding you have of the metagame as it stands.
@@zero1343 The issue is the vague, "you're not allowes to have an opinion" style response kinda just makes the person look right. Like the community IS biased and these chuds are just oeotecting the narrative with excuses. It's like when sigma males on political pages start screeching "post physiogimy" to dodge a question lol.
How many bans until they re-suspect test Tera in general?
Only 56% of the general playerbase wants action on Tera so I think It's very difficult unless something changes
@@xham-ik9yr You're right. Gen 9 power-creep is insane, but I believe the existence of UUbers is a sign that something fundamentally needs to change